Réchaud à bois au Chili
by Freepatata
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Bonjours, je pars bientôt dans la région des lacs au Chili pour la traversal de Villarica entre autre, je me pose la question de l'utilité d'amener mon réchaux à bois car le feu n'est pas autorisé?
Merci Eric.
Le feu est STRICTEMENT interdit dans les parcs de Patagonie (sauf dans certaines zones de camping/bivouac). Et le réchaud à bois est considéré comme un feu.
Le feu a causer déjà de grave dégâts dans les parcs (notamment à Torres del Paine, il y a quelques années) que les gardes parcs ne rigolent pas avec ca. Ca serait une très mauvaise idée que d'essayer.
Tu trouveras du gaz à Pucon sans souci.
Sinon, très bon choix de parc 🙂 La traversée de Villarica à Lanin est superbe ! Je te conseil de faire la boucle supplémentaire qui passe au pied du Lanin : www.patagonie.dubuis.net
Sinon, très bon choix de parc 🙂 La traversée de Villarica à Lanin est superbe ! Je te conseil de faire la boucle supplémentaire qui passe au pied du Lanin : www.patagonie.dubuis.net
hello Simon, merci pour ta réponse rapide, je vais donc laisser le buchfire à la maison.Je me demande si je ne vais pas partir de "juan del andes" en Argentine et redescendre à Pucon, c'est ptet mieux dans ce sens.je verrais ça à Pucon, de toute façon j'y passe en partant de Santiago.
je suis tes périples depuis pas mal de temps déjà, nous nous croiseront bien un de ces jours😉
En partant de Juan de los Andes pour rejoindre Pucon, tu vas avoir un problème de ravitaillement. Il te faudra partir avec plus de 10 jours de nourriture ou faire un aller/retour à Junin de los Andes à mi chemin. Facilement faisable en haute saison en bus ou stop au niveau de Ecu Fue ou du camp de base du Lanin.
A savoir que : Villarrica n'est pas facilement accessible de Pucon. Il y a 12 km de piste (pas de sentier à ma connaissance). Mais tu peux faire du stop au petit matin à l'entrée de la piste qui monte vers la station de ski (en haute saison, il y a du passage)
Pour Juan de los Andes, il vaut mieux partir (ou arriver suivant le sens du trek) de Lolog. Ca se trouve à 12 km au Nord de Juan de los Andes (bus ou stop). Car idem, c'est une route inintéressante.
Le seul point de passage légal entre le parc Villarrica (Chili) et Lanin (Argentine) se trouve sur la piste qui passe au Nord du Lanin (camp de base du Lanin). Il y a un poste de douane.
Le sentier qui permet de passer du versant Nord du volcan Lanin au versant Sud est à sens unique (sentier entre le camp de base du Lanin et environ de Ecu Fue). Ce qu'un garde parc m'a dit : Il ne peut se faire que dans le sens Sud-Nord et avec autorisation des communautés Mapuche qui habitent la vallée. Ils n'aimeraient pas trop les visites et il faudrait demander la permission à chaque communautés que tu traverses. Donc, on peut se faire bloquer à mi chemin si une communauté refuse. Perso, j'en pense tout autre chose même si je ne suis pas passé... Les Mapuches ne sont pas fermés, bien au contraire. Pour info le garde parque était un blanc et il faut savoir que les Mapuches sont une minorité aujourd'hui mal reconnue et parquée bien souvent.
A Junin de los Andes (toute petite ville), il y a tout ce qu'il faut pour se ravitailler et un petit camping très agréable pour se reposer un bord d'une rivière 🙂
En dehors de la haute saison (décembre, janvier, février) il peut être très difficile de circuler dans le secteur. Quasi plus de bus et peu de monde (en vacances) pour faire du stop.
A savoir que : Villarrica n'est pas facilement accessible de Pucon. Il y a 12 km de piste (pas de sentier à ma connaissance). Mais tu peux faire du stop au petit matin à l'entrée de la piste qui monte vers la station de ski (en haute saison, il y a du passage)
Pour Juan de los Andes, il vaut mieux partir (ou arriver suivant le sens du trek) de Lolog. Ca se trouve à 12 km au Nord de Juan de los Andes (bus ou stop). Car idem, c'est une route inintéressante.
Le seul point de passage légal entre le parc Villarrica (Chili) et Lanin (Argentine) se trouve sur la piste qui passe au Nord du Lanin (camp de base du Lanin). Il y a un poste de douane.
Le sentier qui permet de passer du versant Nord du volcan Lanin au versant Sud est à sens unique (sentier entre le camp de base du Lanin et environ de Ecu Fue). Ce qu'un garde parc m'a dit : Il ne peut se faire que dans le sens Sud-Nord et avec autorisation des communautés Mapuche qui habitent la vallée. Ils n'aimeraient pas trop les visites et il faudrait demander la permission à chaque communautés que tu traverses. Donc, on peut se faire bloquer à mi chemin si une communauté refuse. Perso, j'en pense tout autre chose même si je ne suis pas passé... Les Mapuches ne sont pas fermés, bien au contraire. Pour info le garde parque était un blanc et il faut savoir que les Mapuches sont une minorité aujourd'hui mal reconnue et parquée bien souvent.
A Junin de los Andes (toute petite ville), il y a tout ce qu'il faut pour se ravitailler et un petit camping très agréable pour se reposer un bord d'une rivière 🙂
En dehors de la haute saison (décembre, janvier, février) il peut être très difficile de circuler dans le secteur. Quasi plus de bus et peu de monde (en vacances) pour faire du stop.
je parlais de Junin de los andes pour le départ, excuse moi.
Je pense possible de prendre un bus depuis Pucon, alors ou je fais a pieds jusqu'a la fontiere Chilienne mais le soucis est de monter le volcan Lanin par le sud et là y a un probleme de ravitaillement...ou je navigue qq jours autour de Junin et chope un bus pour le Lanin a coté du lac... je me rappelle plus le nom!Mais bon je reste un mois et demie alors j'ai surement le temps e plus naviguer, maintenant ce n'est pas mon seul treck de prévu dans l'année alors question budget je vais pas trop passer mon temps et mon argent dans les transports.
Ton site est super! J'y suis déjà et finalement j'ai pas besoin d'y aller ;)
Bonjour,
Je confirme les dires de Simon, très bon choix de parc! Nous avions rencontré seulement un groupe de personnes en trois jours de marches fin décembre, La plupart des gens partent au sommet du Villarrica et donc la tranquillité est assuré. Le stop fonctionne bien dans la zone 😛.
Yo
Je confirme les dires de Simon, très bon choix de parc! Nous avions rencontré seulement un groupe de personnes en trois jours de marches fin décembre, La plupart des gens partent au sommet du Villarrica et donc la tranquillité est assuré. Le stop fonctionne bien dans la zone 😛.
Yo
Randonnée et photos du monde...
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Vois-tu Simon je pense que le volcan Lanin du sud au nord à l'air péchu!
Le refuge au sud est détruit apparement, il est quand même plus abordable que dans le sens nord sud, le sendero chilian à un dénivelé impressionant!
maintenant je n'ai pas de carte coté Argentine et ma question est de savoir si je peux m'en procurer à Junin del andes.Dans le cas contraire il me faudra descendre jusqu'à Saint Martin del Andes.
De Juin de los Andes, tu prends un bus pour Pucon et tu te fais déposer juste de l'autre côté de la frontière à la lagune Quilleihue. De là, tu démarres le trek vers Pucon (compter 6 jours)
Si tu veux en plus découvrir la partie Sud du volcan Lanin (superbe), il te faut prendre un bus de Junin de los Andes pour Ecu Fue, magnifique petit air de bivouac/camping tranquille tenu par des Mapuches au bord d'un lac face au Lanin. Rando à la journée possible, notamment vers le mirador. Après pour rejoindre le Chili, soit tu retournes à Junin de los Andes pour prendre le bus pour Pucon, soit t'y vas à pied pour rejoindre le camp de base du Lanin sur le versant Nord par la vallée que je parlais dans mon poste précédent (il faut bien 2 jours je pense)
Attention, si tu souhaites faire l'ascension du Lanin, il y a des restrictions. Si tu ne remplis pas toutes les obligations demandées, tu ne pourras pas y grimper. En fouillant sur le net, tu devrais trouver facilement. Il existe un sentier qui contourne le Lanin par l'Ouest et qui permet de rejoindre directement le parc de Villarrica, mais il n'y a aucun poste frontière 🙁
Si tu veux en plus découvrir la partie Sud du volcan Lanin (superbe), il te faut prendre un bus de Junin de los Andes pour Ecu Fue, magnifique petit air de bivouac/camping tranquille tenu par des Mapuches au bord d'un lac face au Lanin. Rando à la journée possible, notamment vers le mirador. Après pour rejoindre le Chili, soit tu retournes à Junin de los Andes pour prendre le bus pour Pucon, soit t'y vas à pied pour rejoindre le camp de base du Lanin sur le versant Nord par la vallée que je parlais dans mon poste précédent (il faut bien 2 jours je pense)
Attention, si tu souhaites faire l'ascension du Lanin, il y a des restrictions. Si tu ne remplis pas toutes les obligations demandées, tu ne pourras pas y grimper. En fouillant sur le net, tu devrais trouver facilement. Il existe un sentier qui contourne le Lanin par l'Ouest et qui permet de rejoindre directement le parc de Villarrica, mais il n'y a aucun poste frontière 🙁
hello Yo, à ben oui la égion m'a l'air bien sympa!
Mars m'a aussi l'air d"etre la période idéale pour bivouaquer, j'ai le bilet c'est parti😎
une question me taraude...
Crampons piolet pour le Lanin?
Comme dit au dessus, le Lanin est soumis a une réglementation strict, si tu n'as pas la liste d'équipement minimum imposé, on ne te laissera pas monter. Oui, les crampons en font partis, mais une radio aussi par exemple.
Equipo obligatorio requerido por la Intendencia del Parque Nacional Lanin Grampones y piquetas (no se autorizan equipos caseros), VHF (Frecuencia 155675) con bateria adicional (NO hay senal para celulares), Calzado para hielo y nieve, Abrigo para monta, Guantes, Lentes UV, Linterna y bateria de repuesto, Casco, Botiquin (de 1º auxilios: gasas, vendas, antiseptico, crema para quemaduras, colirio, tela adhesiva, maxima pantalla solar, etc.), Bolsa de dormir, Un aislante y calentador cada cuatro personas.
En mars, prévois plus de temps pour te deplacer, les transports sont déjà bien moins nombreux à l’intérieur des parcs, genre 2 par semaines au lieu de 2 par jour.
Equipo obligatorio requerido por la Intendencia del Parque Nacional Lanin Grampones y piquetas (no se autorizan equipos caseros), VHF (Frecuencia 155675) con bateria adicional (NO hay senal para celulares), Calzado para hielo y nieve, Abrigo para monta, Guantes, Lentes UV, Linterna y bateria de repuesto, Casco, Botiquin (de 1º auxilios: gasas, vendas, antiseptico, crema para quemaduras, colirio, tela adhesiva, maxima pantalla solar, etc.), Bolsa de dormir, Un aislante y calentador cada cuatro personas.
En mars, prévois plus de temps pour te deplacer, les transports sont déjà bien moins nombreux à l’intérieur des parcs, genre 2 par semaines au lieu de 2 par jour.
Merci pour tes précisions Simon, c'est un plaisir de converser avec toi.
Ce voyage prend forme et commencer de Junin de los Andes me parait judicieux donc.
Essayer l'option caminendo jusqu'a Pucon va me prendre une bonne partie de mon séjour, des lacs, des volcans, des sources chaudes, apparement de belles rencontres, houla mais que demande le peuple, Eric.
ok c'est donc bien péchu, de tout facon ce n'est pas envisageable pour moi en etant seul. je dois pouvoir y contourner, je prends juste les quatre pointes; voire même pas!
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So, a little question for those who’ve done treks to Everest before… any tips for good mental preparation (I’m already working on the physical side)?
Thanks in advance for your advice! 🙂
Hi there, I’m planning the Annapurna Circuit for March 2027 and I’m looking for a local agency with a local guide—preferably French-speaking—to arrange this trek for us. Any suggestions? Thanks
Hello!
We’re spending a few days in Toraja country at the end of May. We’d love to do a day trek—taking our time—on a route that’s stunning in terms of scenery, but not a level 5 in difficulty!
Any suggestions you can share, please?
Thanks in advance
Hi everyone,
I’d like to do the Mare a Mare Sud in May over 4 days. I’ve found quite a few places to stay along the route, but I’m stuck on the start and finish. I’ll be arriving by plane on Sunday evening and would like to start pretty early on Monday morning. Ideally, accommodation right at the trailhead (Alzu di Gallina) would be amazing, but I can’t find anything. Any tips? Also, for the transfer from Figari Airport to Porto Vecchio or Alzu di Gallina? At the end, I’d like to pick up a rental car—any advice on that too?
Thanks in advance!
Caro
I’d like to do the Mare a Mare Sud in May over 4 days. I’ve found quite a few places to stay along the route, but I’m stuck on the start and finish. I’ll be arriving by plane on Sunday evening and would like to start pretty early on Monday morning. Ideally, accommodation right at the trailhead (Alzu di Gallina) would be amazing, but I can’t find anything. Any tips? Also, for the transfer from Figari Airport to Porto Vecchio or Alzu di Gallina? At the end, I’d like to pick up a rental car—any advice on that too?
Thanks in advance!
Caro
I’m traveling solo by plane to Catania in May and plan to hike the northern side of Etna, starting from Linguaglossa where I’ll arrive by bus. After that, I’d love some info on how to get up to Piano Provenzana (shuttles or hitchhiking), since it seems there’s no public transport except in the summer. Can you sleep there in a free or cheap refuge, or camp? And how far up can you go without having to hire a guide? Thanks in advance. Bernard.
Bonjour a tous,
je pars en voyage au Maroc en aout et nous allons commencer par nous arrêter a Chefchaouen(nous sommes en voiture).
Ma question: quelqu'un peut il m'indiquer un itinéraire de rando en boucle d'entre 5 et 7 jours aux départ de Chefchaouen dans le parc de Talassemtane passant si possible par le pont de dieux?Ou un guide papier qui en reunis quelques uns?
Nous privilégions le camping sauvage et les gites.
Merci d'avance
Hi there, for those who’ve been recently—is it possible to find other solo travelers in March on the island to share transport or room costs? It doesn’t seem easy to travel on a budget.
If you have any recommendations for simple lodgings or places with dorms, I’d love to hear them.
For those who’ve done multi-day treks while moving around: do you need to bring your own sleeping bag? I’d love to hear about itineraries you’ve done without a guide, just with a map and GPS.
Thanks, and have a great day!
Hi everyone!
We’re planning a 15-day road trip to Scotland this summer, specifically to explore and hike on Lewis and Harris—places we’ve never been before. We’ve visited other islands on previous road trips in Scotland (we usually go in April for a week). This would be our first time in Scotland in the summer and for 15 days. We’re looking at late August to early September.
I’m currently drafting the itinerary. We’d be crossing from Ullapool and were thinking of spending 3 nights on Harris and 4 nights on Lewis.
Does that sound balanced to you? Is it better to keep the same accommodation on Harris and the same on Lewis to explore the area? I’d love to hear about any past experiences you’ve had on these islands. Thanks!
I’m currently drafting the itinerary. We’d be crossing from Ullapool and were thinking of spending 3 nights on Harris and 4 nights on Lewis.
Does that sound balanced to you? Is it better to keep the same accommodation on Harris and the same on Lewis to explore the area? I’d love to hear about any past experiences you’ve had on these islands. Thanks!
Hi there, I’m trying to leave for 15 days very soon to São Vicente. I’m either looking to join an agency or figure things out on my own to go hiking on one of these islands or both. From what I’ve seen, it’s not easy to organize with local transport, so it gets expensive. Can I use the services of a small local agency? I’m looking for the simplest way to hike for several days. Also, how do you get from São Vicente to São Nicolau? Thanks in advance and have a great day!
Aichatou
Hi there,
I’ve been wanting to do this for several years, and this year’s the one. Next September, I’ll be trekking in Tusheti (Georgia), from Omalo to Shatili. Of course, I won’t be renting a vehicle that’d just sit unused. No problem getting to Pshaveli, but from there to Omalo, it’s a dirt road (still the case?) There must be some form of public transport since there are so many guesthouses, and not all travelers come in a 4x4. If any of you have been to Omalo, could you confirm that these shared transports exist and how often they run?
I’ve been wanting to do this for several years, and this year’s the one. Next September, I’ll be trekking in Tusheti (Georgia), from Omalo to Shatili. Of course, I won’t be renting a vehicle that’d just sit unused. No problem getting to Pshaveli, but from there to Omalo, it’s a dirt road (still the case?) There must be some form of public transport since there are so many guesthouses, and not all travelers come in a 4x4. If any of you have been to Omalo, could you confirm that these shared transports exist and how often they run?
hi
we’re planning a trip to Yellowstone and hoping to do a three-day backcountry hike if we get a permit. if any of you have done this before, could you let me know if it’s possible to find water along the way? And if we can transport it, are we allowed to use a stove?
thanks for any tips!
sandra
we’re planning a trip to Yellowstone and hoping to do a three-day backcountry hike if we get a permit. if any of you have done this before, could you let me know if it’s possible to find water along the way? And if we can transport it, are we allowed to use a stove?
thanks for any tips!
sandra
Hello,
I’ll be in Nepal from March 6th to 29th (we’re flying into Kathmandu via Varanasi and leaving via Delhi).
I’m a bit confused about the regulations requiring a guide.
My wife and I (we’re 63 and 64) aren’t experienced trekkers—we’re more used to walking on terrain with very moderate elevation changes. I’m looking for fairly easy hikes, possibly day trips. Here are my questions: - Does the Poon Hill trek from Pokhara require a guide, or is it better to go through a local agency? (I’ve seen a lot of them offering 4-day packages) - I’d like to do a few multi-day hikes around Jomsom (Kagbeni, Mukitinath, Lupra, Marpha)... Do you need a guide for those, and can you find accommodations easily without booking in advance?
Last question—I’m really hesitant to lug around a sleeping bag or down jacket during our 6 weeks in India. Can you easily find these kinds of items at reasonable prices in Pokhara?
Thanks in advance for any tips you can share! Yann
My wife and I (we’re 63 and 64) aren’t experienced trekkers—we’re more used to walking on terrain with very moderate elevation changes. I’m looking for fairly easy hikes, possibly day trips. Here are my questions: - Does the Poon Hill trek from Pokhara require a guide, or is it better to go through a local agency? (I’ve seen a lot of them offering 4-day packages) - I’d like to do a few multi-day hikes around Jomsom (Kagbeni, Mukitinath, Lupra, Marpha)... Do you need a guide for those, and can you find accommodations easily without booking in advance?
Last question—I’m really hesitant to lug around a sleeping bag or down jacket during our 6 weeks in India. Can you easily find these kinds of items at reasonable prices in Pokhara?
Thanks in advance for any tips you can share! Yann