quelqu'un connaîtrait il l'état des routes pour se rendre à Imilchil.
Je sais que l'accés à Imilchil peut se faire par les gorges de la Todra depuis Tinehrir ou les gorges du Dades mais ayant peu de temps pour ce voyage, je pense cette fois ci passer par la route Rich-Imilchil, est elle bien goudronnée, y a t'il bien des bus qui font la liaison? Combien de temps faut il environ?
Et depuis Er Rachidia?
Autres suggestions bienvenues!!
La route Rich Imilchil, est entièrement goudronnée, en bon état, avec peut etre quelques rustines à réparer, au sortir de l'hiver, mais pas grave.
Par le Dades ou le todghra, Imilchil n'est joignable que par des pistes, 4x4 obligatoire par Dades, plus facile par Todghra, mais interdit en voiture de loc.
Des bus, Rich Imilchil, je n'en ai pas vu, ce qui ne veut pas dire qu'il n'en existe pas, mais de multiples taxis et camionettes, sont sur l'itinéraire, mais, sur, ce n'est pas rapide (4h ne m'étonneraient pas ! plus l'attente) .
Depuis Er Rachidia, bus et taxis fréquents pour Rich, ensuite transbordement.
Merci beaucoup pour ta réponse, on m'avait pourtant dit que des bus faisait la liaison depuis Rich je voulais simplement une confirmation, tant pis!!
Maiq merci quand même.
oui, catarina, je connais cette route de rich a imilchil;je l ai faite cette annee mi mars, c etait super! magnifique route en bon etat, peu de voitures paysages fantastiques, vallonnee, sans aucun danger!138kmde bonheur, vas y !!contacte moi si tu veux d autres infos..isabel
bonsoir
j'aurais aimé un peu plus d'infos sur la route pour un circuit en voiture en juillet
nous hésitions justement car nous devons partir de merzouga pour nous rendre vers beni mellal
et c est soit cette route soit passer par midelt et bifurquer ensuite
les 135 kms se font en combien de temps à peu près ?
Sachant que nous partirons de merzouga tot le matin et pouvons faire un arrêt d'une nuit à imilchil
comme nous sommes avec les enfants pas envie de faire trop de longs trajets
merci
Rich Imilchil
3h30, 4h, comme déja dit !
Merzouga Rich
3h30, 4h, aussi
Soit 7 à 8 h, photos non comprises, picnic non compris, arrets pipi non compris !
Compter des moyennes inférieures à 50 en montagne, et pas vraiment supérieures à 60 en plaine, et à partir de la, avec un michelin, on a toujours des temps réalistes !
ci-dessous quelques indications sur l'état des routes (pratiqué en avril 08) dans la région d'Imilchil. N'hésites pas à me contacter pour plus d'info.
1/ La route Khénifra - Aghbala- Imilchil est goudronnée, en très bon état
2/ Pour rejoindre Ait Hani depuis Imilchil via Agoudal : l'itinéraire nous a été fortement déconseillé en voiture de tourisme.
3/ Pa contre, la variante Imilchil - Amouguer (en direction de Rich) - Amellago - Assoul- Ait Hani est magnifique, plus longue, très sauvage: la route est excellente et très peu fréquentée.
4/ Le tronçon Ait Hani vers Tinerhir est praticable en voiture de tourisme. En amont de la partie touristique (vers Ait Hani), la route est en cours de réfection (à plusieurs endroits, elle a été emportée par des crues) et nécessite beaucoup d'attention (passage dans le lit de la rivière). gros travaux en cours en Avril 08
salut, tu as tres bien repndu a catarina, c est ce que j ai fait en mars donc et vraiment a conseiller..en plus des arbres en fleurs, c etait magnifique..ne pas hesiter a rester au moins 2 3 jours a imilchil, les deux lacs de montagnes sont fabuleux...(babelle isere)
bonjour, compte au moins 2 jours pour aller a imilchil surtout avec des enfants..on roule tres lentement sur ce trajet, ca tourne pas mal, mais surtout tu as envie de profiter du cadre...olivier t as bien repndu sur le trajet...salut...
entre Ait-Hani et Amellago c'est une piste ou du goudron?
Je suis déja passé par Aît-Hani via Agoudal puis Imilchil et effectivement en voiture de tourisme c'est déconseillé, mais ça remonte à 2 et 3 ans en arrière et là tu parle de travaux de réfection? Je pensais peut être monter à bord d'un Bedford, mais la piste est quand même accessible vu qu'il y des travaux?
Bonjour,
j'ai bien lu que la route entre RICH ET IMILCHIL était entièrement goudronnée mais qu'en est-il pour continuer jusqu'à EL KSIBA ? ma carte indique que le goudron ne réapparait qu'à CHERKET . nous serons en voiture de tourisme personnelle (aout 2008) et pas question de faire des pistes.
de plus 20 km avant EL KSIBA la R 306 rejoint AZILAL, même question, goudron ou pas jusqu'à AZILAL.
MERCI BCP
nadine
vous dites que " La route Khénifra - Aghbala- Imilchil est goudronnée, en très bon état" . après Aghbala il faut donc suivre la R317 et au Tizi-n-Isly prendre direction Cherket mais sur ma carte à partir de cette ville (village) ce n'est qu'une piste pour rejoindre Imilchil.
êtes vous sur que la route est goudronnée car nous serons en voiture de tourisme et on ne veut pas prendre de piste (on a du changer 2 cardans l'an dernier sur place....merci à éviter de refaire...)
connaissez vous l'état de la route R306 20 km au sud de EL KSIBA pour rejoindre AZILAL via EL HAD ? goudron ou pas ?
merci
nadine
bjr
Pour se rendre à IMILCHIL, il y'a bcp de possibilités, Tinghir, Beni Mellal, amellago et en fin Rich . l'état des routes s'est beaucoup améliorée surtout en été ou la neige fait rare .
La liaison Rich-Imilchil est trafic able normalement au quotidien . la destinée est servie chaque jour par des fourgons transportant du tous, mais aussi par des taxis à réserver et payés au voyage . la sécurité est la plus totale au monde, les gens sont très plaisants et il est préférable de se loger dans un gîte pour bénéficier de la chaleur humaine d'accueil des imazighen .
je suis de la région et je suis à votre disposition pour d'amples informations : amellagu@hotmail.fr
cordialement yassan .
Sur ce tronçon, la route est goudronnée sauf aux endroits où elle a été emportée par les crues (3 ou 4 passages de mémoire...). Dans ce cas, la route emprunte le lit de la rivière mais ça reste faisable avec une voiture de tourisme voire un camping-car en roulant doucement...
Oui je te confirme que la R317 est goudronnée et en très bon état entre Tizi nIsly et Imilchil contrairement à ce qui est indiqué sur la carte IGN (édition 2006 au 1:800 000) à laquelle tu fais sans doute référence.
De même, la carte Michelin 742 (édition 3- 2007) donne aussi de fausses indications entre Aghabala (voire au Nord) jusqu'à Imilchil... (route indiquée comme dangereuse alors qu'elle est de très, très bonne qualité !!).
El Ksiba, Azilal, par Ouaouizart et bin el Ouidan, non seulement c'est une excellente route entièrement goudronnée, mais de plus les paysages et points de vue sont superbes.
Ne pas s'en priver !!
Imilchil, El Ksiba, excellent goudron aussi.
En résumé : Rich Azilal, rien que du bonheur !! et du goudron !
La Michelin est un peu en retard sur les goudronneuses, faut pas lui en vouloir, elles vont très vite.
Elle indique aussi des routes dangereuses, à tort !
Merci
il faut donc effectuer la boucle par AMOUGUER puis AMELLAGO et ASSOUL, AIT HANI et rejoindre la route à TINEGHRIR ? Ou est-il possible de passer par AGOUDAL puis AIT HANI et TAMTATTOUCHE. Je suis passé par là il y 3 ans mais en 4X4 . est-il possible maintenant de passer avec avec un vehicule de tourisme (genre 806)?
Ce coin, je ne sais pas exactement ou il en est aujourd'hui du goudronnage, ça va tellement vite, Rich Amellago, je crois que c'est fini !
Mais Amellago, Assoul, Ait Hani, je n'y crois pas trop, mais j'ai pas l'info récente !!
Peut etre Amellago, Goulmima, en partie au moins !
Mais si tu es en voiture perso, (non location !), par temps sec, la piste Agoudal, Ait Hani, n'offre aucune difficulté en prenant les précautions d'usage. elle a été élargie et surfacée, elle est un peu pierreuse sur quelques kms seulement dans le col. inutile de chercher une variante plus longue.
en venant de Tanger par Azrou les plus beaux paysages se trouvent en montant à Imilchil par El ksiba ou de l'autre coté par Boumia. J'ai le temps je veux juste profiter de la vue la plus belle en rencontrant le moins de touristes possible
En tout cas merci . je retiens donc EL-KSIBAH, IMILCHIL, AGOUDAL, AIT HANI en véhicule perso, c'est faisable ! si tu as des info pour l'hebergement sur le parcours avec 1 jour ou 2 a IMILCHIL sois le bienvenu car je commence à ressentir de sérieux doutes sur les conseils éclairés de notre ami le Routard.
cette disucssion était très intéressante, mais c'est arretée en mai...
Y a t il du nouveau depuis ?
Je recherche des infos sur l'itinéraire : msemrir - Agoudal (ou Tinerhrir -agoudal) - imilchil - tagoudit- midelt tronçons de piste et routedifficultés ravitaillement essence bonne adresse pour dormir au milieu...
Merci !
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We're 11 adults and don't want to go through an agency. If you have a contact to help us discover this city, that would be great!
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I’m heading back to Egypt for the first time in 30 years this July. Last time, I was 20, and we spent two weeks traveling on a shoestring as backpackers.
I’m wondering about a "cruise" on a felucca from Aswan—mainly to avoid being stuck in an air-conditioned tourist bubble (we’re already spending our first week in that setting with our diving club). We’d like to explore the most interesting stretch of the Nile between Aswan and Luxor. Do you have any thoughts on this option, tips, or maybe some contacts?
I was wondering if it’s possible to join a group as a solo traveler with local agencies in Djanet for circuits like Tadrart, Essendilene, Sefar, or Tassili?
If you have any agencies to recommend, I’d love to hear about them.
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Here’s a first draft for a 14-night itinerary during the Christmas break with two teens. We’re especially fond of hiking (nothing too extreme, though), which is why we’re drawn to the south.
- Marrakech (2 nights)
- Aït Ben Haddou (1 night)
- Dadès (3 nights, though we’re thinking of doing a day trip to the Todra Gorge on one of those days)
- M'hamid (1 night)
- Erg Chigaga (1 night)
- 4 nights to slot in
- Marrakech (2 nights)
Okay, I realize this involves a lot of driving, and we’re still debating the return route since we’d like to avoid the Tichka Pass in January, but going through Taroudant seems like it would add *a lot* of time. 😕
If you’ve got other suggestions for an itinerary with great hikes, I’m all ears!
Also, the 4 nights total in MRK isn’t really our preference, but since we’re arriving/departing super early from overseas, we’d like to be a bit rested before the long flight.
Another question:
For hikes (aside from the desert one), is it better to have a guide with us, or are the trails well-marked?
Hi everyone,
Our trip to Morocco will be from November 3 to 17, in the High Atlas.
Basically, our route would be:
Marrakech - Aït Benhaddou
Skoura - Tinghir - Merzouga
Merzouga via the N12 to Zagora
Zagora - Draa Valley - Marrakech
It seems to be the low season, so I’d love to travel without having to book accommodations in advance. In other countries, pre-booking has restricted us and kept us from visiting unplanned sites. Freedom is important to us, but I’d also like to avoid arriving somewhere and finding nothing available.
What do you recommend? Book ahead or not?
Your advice is always helpful, and thanks to anyone who can shed some light on this for me.
Roberto
First of all: a big thank you to everyone whose insightful, funny, lively, and exotic posts we’ve enjoyed. It’s a joy to find such lovely writers on this forum, who’ve given me tons of ideas and addresses to prepare our trip.
Our plan: to explore Morocco from November 2nd to December 4th. We’ll have our own vehicle (a 2011 Renault Grand Scenic, in great condition), shipped with us from Sète to Tanger Med. Returning from Nador.
Our profile: 75 and 62 years young, so old but happy to be, in very good health. Seasoned travelers—it’s practically our whole life. Lovers of beautiful landscapes, historic sites, fine craftsmanship, and road trips. This will be my 3rd trip to Morocco, but the first two were 20 and 17 years ago. I’ve never been north of the Essaouira-Marrakech line (though I’ve gone further south). As for my husband, a lifelong expat including in Muslim countries, it’s his first time in Morocco.
He’s the one driving. He’s very experienced, cautious, not necessarily fast, but used to driving in all conditions (and countries, including the most creative on the road). But I don’t want to tire him out, and he no longer drives at night (and we’ll be there in November).
I’ve decided to show him a bit of everything by taking a road trip along beautiful backroads, with daily distances averaging 180-200 km (except on highways, which will be rare), regularly broken up by rest days. I’m counting on a speed of 40-50 km/h, plus stops/visits along the way.
Since I’ve read so many posts, I’ve narrowed it down to some very specific questions.
1) Coming directly from Rabat via the highway, we’d prefer to skip Marrakech*. Still, we’ll need to sleep somewhere nearby. We’ll head toward Skoura the next day. Does anyone have a well-located address for this route, possibly east of Marrakech? Ideally, we’re looking for a small town, easy parking, clean accommodation (minimum) with average comfort (or better if available), a bit heated, and if possible, pretty and/or nice—but above all, a place to sleep well, wash with lukewarm (ideally hot) water, and have a decent dinner.
(*Explanation for the "no-go" in Marrakech: it’s a shame, because there are truly beautiful things in this city, but I think the vibe won’t suit us—it’s an understatement for "it’ll put us off" / "make us flee" / "traumatize us." Not because it’s too crowded and we want to stand out from tourists (we’re part of them), but because of forced henna on your hand, or spending 10 minutes every quarter-hour saying "no thank you" to a "guide" who’s as much a guide as I am a trapeze artist. Knowing us, it’ll wear us down. The country is vast and beautiful, and our time too short to waste our memories just days after arriving. And I don’t want to ruin things for my peaceful husband, or he’ll demand we turn back—and Sète in November isn’t exactly thrilling either.)
2) Which route to Skoura (in 2 days)? I see two options: either via the Tichka Pass, with a night in Telouet before reaching Skoura, or via the R307/N23 from Demnate, with a night near Megdaz before descending to Skoura. So: Tichka Pass or R307/N23? I have a slight (big) preference for the second option, even though I know the other route is very beautiful too. Of course, before deciding, we’ll check the weather and the current state of the R307/N23—does anyone know where to get info on the road conditions? But even assuming the road is "passable," is it a bit too tough in itself? In short, is it reasonable? If a kind soul could share their experience, a thousand thanks in advance.
That’s all I’ve written for now. I’ll save the other questions for later posts. Thanks again to those who had the patience to read this and to those who can respond. Happy Sunday to all!
I’m just a few days away from my trip to Marrakech—I’m leaving from November 13th to 20th and bringing my parents along! I’d love to plan my stay as best as I can, and I’m sure the forum crew can help. So, here are my questions:
- Where’s the best place to exchange money without getting ripped off? The owner of the riad where we’re staying told us to avoid doing it at the airport because it’s really expensive and to do it in the medina instead, near Jemaa el-Fna square.
- Which traditional hammams do you recommend that are reasonably priced? How much should we budget for one? That’ll help me plan my expenses.
- What are some nice restaurants in the medina?
- I’d also like to know roughly how much to expect for a tea, a meal, a taxi, a djellaba, and babouches. I don’t want to get overcharged and would like to know what to expect.
- What are the must-do activities and places to visit?
Hi, I’d like to head to Morocco next week with my car. I’ve looked online at all the different info about the ferry crossing to Tangier, but I’m finding it really expensive. Is there a way to buy tickets in Spain? Or another way to get the Algeciras–Tangier crossing cheaper? Thanks for any tips or info!
We found a guide who offers the trip from M'hamid to a camp (departure at 3 PM, tea, meal, camel ride, overnight stay, breakfast, and return to M'Hamid by 11 AM the next day via the sacred oasis). He quoted us a price of 380 € for April.
What do you think of this rate?
This might sound like a silly question, but is it common to negotiate the price for this kind of thing (we're booking from France)? It’s still a big part of our travel budget.
Hi there,
We're planning to visit Egypt between January 25 and February 15, 2027. I looked up the Ramadan dates and found some sites saying it starts on February 8, while others say February 18... Where's the mistake?
Thanks,
Christian
Hi there,
We’re a family of 4 with two boys aged 12 and 10 traveling to Egypt in February.
We’re spending 3 days in Cairo to take our time exploring the city and the sites before heading south.
-Is it necessary to have a guide to visit the GEM? Are audio guides available?
-Do you have any contacts for drivers to organize a few transfers (Giza, Saqqara, Airport)?
-Do you know a French-speaking guide who’s friendly, family-friendly, and good at making things exciting, with reasonable prices?
With our two teens, we’re heading to Morocco for two weeks at the end of December and beginning of January. It’ll be our first trip that’s more "off the beaten path," even though we’ve visited several countries before. Given the overwhelming amount of info, I’m feeling a bit swamped with the prep this trip requires, and I’ll admit I’m a little lost when it comes to figuring out what’s realistic to visit in two weeks 😕 So, all your tips, personal experiences, and suggestions are more than welcome!
- Which places should we prioritize during this time of year? (I’ve read that some spots are less accessible in winter?)
- What’s the best way to get around? (rental car, train, private transport, buses, etc.? — just a heads-up, we’ll have a few suitcases!)
- In terms of "safety," are there any areas to avoid?
- Any recommendations for reliable local tour companies (beyond the big names like "Get Your Guide") that offer excursions or private transport to help us explore the country?
- A doable 2-week itinerary that lets us enjoy the country’s diversity without having to change accommodations every two days?
I’m planning a trip to the High Atlas in Morocco and have a few questions for you:
- Why do so many people recommend avoiding international agencies for car rentals? Can anyone explain why?
- Is Booking.com reliable, and has anyone rented a vehicle through their service? There’s a pretty big price difference compared to local Moroccan agencies.
- Is there a detailed road map included in the rental car?
- Is Google Maps enough to get around the High Atlas? This will be my first trip there.
Thanks so much to anyone who can help with this destination I’ve been dreaming about for years.
Have a great evening,
Roberto
hi there, I’m heading to Tunisia 🙂 from April 27 to May 8 with my family. I’ve read through the various discussions about the country, but I’m still a bit unsure🤪: for currency exchange, I saw on the French Ministry of Foreign Affairs website that withdrawing currency with a bank card from ATMs is limited to 200 TND per week. There are four of us traveling by car, so that might be a bit tight! And it’s a hassle to carry a lot of cash, even if I’m not being paranoid! What do you all recommend?
Cheers,
Laurent.
We're planning a 2-week trip in late February/early March for a road trip in the High Atlas with a rental car, and we'd love to avoid booking our accommodations in advance. Is that doable, easily manageable, or risky (are accommodations available, expensive, or not great)? Thanks for your tips!
Annie
Hi,
This autumn, we’re planning to explore the Oriental region and we’re wondering where the best place to land would be. We’ll have three weeks ahead of us and we’ll be renting a car.
Any tips would be much appreciated. Thanks.
Is there an official website or list of certified Egyptologist guides in Egypt? And most importantly, what are the normal prices for a full day or half day? There’s so much scamming and crazy pricing—depending on who you contact, it can range from simple to quadruple!!!!
Thanks
Hello,
In September, my wife and I, along with another couple, will be traveling to Tunisia and staying at the Sheherasade Hotel near Sousse.
We’d love to hear your recommendations or tips on places to visit, as well as advice on taxis or other transportation options.
Thanks in advance!
This autumn’s trip should be in Morocco—barring any geopolitical issues between now and then.
After many trips to the south of Fès, I’m giving the north a try.
My plan is roughly to do a road trip loop from Rabat back to Rabat, passing through Asilah, Tangier, Tétouan, Chefchaouen, Akchour, Fès, Meknès, and Volubilis.
That’s a lot of cities.
Probably a bit too many for our taste—we usually prefer more isolated spots...
So I’m looking for tips on little backroads, secluded beaches, half-day hikes, and offbeat places.
If you’ve also got recommendations for accommodation... (We’re open to splurging over 100 € if it’s a real favorite.)
Feel free to think outside the box—this is an open-ended plan! !😉
Hello,
I’m looking for testimonials from Pieds-Noirs who have recently returned to Algeria.
There can’t be many left after 65 years of the country’s independence.
I’m planning to go back myself soon to reconnect with my roots... before I pass away...
I’ve started making a few pre-bookings for hotels and apartments to rent in Algiers. At first, I received friendly and welcoming responses. Then, when I mentioned I wanted to stay for two or three weeks—maybe even a month—explaining that my trip wouldn’t be strictly touristy but more of a pilgrimage to the places of my childhood, and that it would likely be a very emotional journey, I expected a positive and warm reaction to my approach. Instead, I suddenly stopped getting replies from the three or four people I’d contacted. So now I’m wondering about the reception former Pieds-Noirs can expect...
Anyone here who can share their experience of returning? I specified “recently” because it seems that right now, diplomatic relations between the two governments are extremely tense, not to say hostile... even if Macron claims otherwise...
Hello,
I’m traveling to Algeria from October 27 to November 16, 2026.
I’d love to hear from anyone who’s been through the process about the accommodation attestation required for the visa application:
- Does it need to cover the entire duration of the trip?
- Is this document mandatory for a hotel to rent a room?
- Is it checked during inspections?
- Is a hotel booking (e.g., via Booking.com) sufficient for the visa?
- If so, does it need to be paid in advance?
I plan to visit several cities and do one or more treks with a guide or agency.
If you have any contacts you’d recommend, I’d be grateful!
Also, I’d love to share this trip with a companion who’s already done some traveling.
We’d organize the journey together, of course.
Thanks for your feedback!
Safe travels to all,
Dom, Dijon, 64 years old
I’m leaving for Tunisia in five weeks for a full 15-day trip. I’ll be arriving in Monastir and departing from there as well.
I’d like to do a route that’s a bit different from my first stay, which was more focused on cities and culture (Tunis, Sousse, Kairouan, El Jem).
I’ll be getting around by public transport.
I’d like to head south toward Tozeur, and I saw that you can take a *louage* from Monastir to Sbeitla (2h30). I imagine it’s not too complicated to get to Tozeur from there afterward? The issue is the return trip to Monastir and safety in Sbeitla.
If this route seems too complicated, I might opt for Djerba instead, which looks simpler.
I’m heading to Morocco in September 2026, and part of my trip takes me through Merzouga. I’m looking for a 4x4 driver-guide to explore the area with my partner and me.