PS : Etapes prévus en Russie : St-Pet, Moscou, Anneau d'or, Kazan, sverdlovsk, Omsk, Novosibirsk, Abakan, Irkustk. Y'a t'il des étapes citées qui ne valent pas le coup ? D'autres non citées qui valent le détour ? Dernière question : est-ce que qq'un a des bons plans pour des guides de rando dans l'Oural ou les Monts Saian ?
Russie et Mongolie en camping-car ou en train?
by YoChris
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Bonjour,
Nous souhaitons voyager en Russie au mois d'Août jusque fin Septembre 2009 (avec un périple en Mongolie). Nous souhaitions à la base entrer en Russie en camping-car (un C25 amménagé) puis le laisser en cours de route pour finir en train et passer en mongolie avec le transibérien. Apparemment pas possible (interdit de rentrer en russie avec un véhicule et d'en ressortir sans, cf une autre disucssion du forum). Je pense que le C25 n'est pas adapté pour aller jusqu'à la frontière mongol...
Que me conseillez-vous : laisser notre véhicule avant d'entrer en Russie et faire tout en train + vélos ? (questions : vélos acceptés dans les trains ?, où dormir à bon prix sans le CC (beaucoup de camping ? camping sauvage autorisé ? chez l'habitant ?) ou autre solution : au moins faire la partie occidentale de la Russie avec véhicule (St-Petesbourg, Moscou, anneau d'or) (partie peut être moins agréable à faire en vélo + train ?) puis ressortir le véhicule pour aller en sibérie en avion ? en train ?
Pour les visas (Russie + Mongolie), nous pensions le prendre en Finlande (car nous quittons la France mi-avril, donc trop tôt pour la demande de visa). Est-ce que c'est possible ? (Visas russe de plus d'un mois avec plusieurs entrées...)
Merci d'avance.
PS : Etapes prévus en Russie : St-Pet, Moscou, Anneau d'or, Kazan, sverdlovsk, Omsk, Novosibirsk, Abakan, Irkustk. Y'a t'il des étapes citées qui ne valent pas le coup ? D'autres non citées qui valent le détour ? Dernière question : est-ce que qq'un a des bons plans pour des guides de rando dans l'Oural ou les Monts Saian ?
PS : Etapes prévus en Russie : St-Pet, Moscou, Anneau d'or, Kazan, sverdlovsk, Omsk, Novosibirsk, Abakan, Irkustk. Y'a t'il des étapes citées qui ne valent pas le coup ? D'autres non citées qui valent le détour ? Dernière question : est-ce que qq'un a des bons plans pour des guides de rando dans l'Oural ou les Monts Saian ?
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Bonsoir YoChris,
Nous avons fait la Mongolie en CC l'année dernière. Pas de problème majeur pour aller jusqu'à Ulan Bator. Après nous avons laissé les CC pour faire la Mongolie sur 3000 km avec des 4x4 UAZ Retour pas la Russie et les pays en "stan" pour voir Samarkank, Boukhara et Khiva 130 jours 28000 km Départ de France avec visas russes affaires de 3 mois à double entrée. Visas mongols pris à Irkoutsk, etc Veux tu d'autres précisions? A+
Brigitte
Nous avons fait la Mongolie en CC l'année dernière. Pas de problème majeur pour aller jusqu'à Ulan Bator. Après nous avons laissé les CC pour faire la Mongolie sur 3000 km avec des 4x4 UAZ Retour pas la Russie et les pays en "stan" pour voir Samarkank, Boukhara et Khiva 130 jours 28000 km Départ de France avec visas russes affaires de 3 mois à double entrée. Visas mongols pris à Irkoutsk, etc Veux tu d'autres précisions? A+
Brigitte
Je ne réponds pas aux goujats et autres vantards.
Ah d'accord. Nous ne pensions pas que les routes étais praticable jusqu'à la frontière mongol (j'entend praticable pour un CC ou un fourgon amménagé !)
Combien de temps ça vous a pris pour atteindre la frontière ?
Vous avez laissé les CC en Mongolie juste après avoir passé la frontière ? Pas de problème pour rentrer le CC en Mongolie ?
Sinon, petite dernière question pour la Mongolie : vous aviez opris un guide avec les 4x4 ?
Merci beaucoup, mon programme progresse !!!
Sinon, petite dernière question pour la Mongolie : vous aviez opris un guide avec les 4x4 ?
Merci beaucoup, mon programme progresse !!!
Chris et Yo
Bonjour YoChris,
Nous sommes partis le 4 juin et sommes arrivés à Ulan Bator le 9 juillet. Nous ne nous sommes pas pressés: visites de Dresde, de Kiev, de Moscou et Irkoutsk avec un tour sur l'île d'Olkhon au milieu du lac Baïkal, en attendant la confection de nos visas mongols. Nous sommes allés avec nos 4 camping-cars (un Knauss, un LMC, un Eriba et un Arca) jusqu'à Ulan Bator par la route normale qui est bonne. A Oulan Bator, notre guide nous avait réservé un garage fermé et gardienné pour remiser les CC pendant notre périple en 4x4 (difficile à trouver). Nous sommes donc partis avec deux fourgons 4x4 UAZ: 8 français et 5 mongols (le guide, les 2 chauffeurs, le cuisiniers et son aide) pour 16 jours inoubliables, avec nos sacs chargés de vêtements, d'affaires de toilette et le matériel photo/vidéo. Pas de problème pour rentrer les CC en Mongolie. A+
Brigitte
Nous sommes partis le 4 juin et sommes arrivés à Ulan Bator le 9 juillet. Nous ne nous sommes pas pressés: visites de Dresde, de Kiev, de Moscou et Irkoutsk avec un tour sur l'île d'Olkhon au milieu du lac Baïkal, en attendant la confection de nos visas mongols. Nous sommes allés avec nos 4 camping-cars (un Knauss, un LMC, un Eriba et un Arca) jusqu'à Ulan Bator par la route normale qui est bonne. A Oulan Bator, notre guide nous avait réservé un garage fermé et gardienné pour remiser les CC pendant notre périple en 4x4 (difficile à trouver). Nous sommes donc partis avec deux fourgons 4x4 UAZ: 8 français et 5 mongols (le guide, les 2 chauffeurs, le cuisiniers et son aide) pour 16 jours inoubliables, avec nos sacs chargés de vêtements, d'affaires de toilette et le matériel photo/vidéo. Pas de problème pour rentrer les CC en Mongolie. A+
Brigitte
Je ne réponds pas aux goujats et autres vantards.
Méfie toi des propositions venant directement de Mongolie.Une mafi..sur place organise tout et n'importe quoi avec des combines souvent risquées.Surtout avec des enfants...j'ai des exemples récents!🙁
Regarde plutot les agences franco-mongoles.Cela présente les deux avantages:L'autenticité des partenaires mongoles sélectionnées mais aussi la sécurité d'une vraie agence française avec assurance, garantie financière etc...ex:
www.voyage-mongolie.fr ou autre!
Bsr,
J'ai fait l'an dernier l'aller/retour Bordeaux /Irkoutsk en Trafic aménagé sans problème. La route est bonne, hormis 150 km avant d'arricer à Irkoutsk, mais elle est en travaux et il se peut que cette année, la nouvelle route soit en service. Je suis persuadé qu'il est posible d'aller à Oulan bator sans problème. A ma connaissance il n'y a pas de camping commechez nous, par contre le camping sauvage y est très pratiqué. Je n'ai eu aucun problème d'insécurité. J'étais seul et je dormais un peu partout et même en rase campagne. L'accueil y est très chaleureux. Pas de problème avec la police, arrété souvent, pas de dessous de table.
J'avais un visa affaire de 3 mois. Il est nécessaire d'avoir, pour aller en Mongolie, un visa double entrée.
J'ai des amis à Irkoutsk qui peuvent vous héberger, et éventuellement, vous avoir le visa pour la Mongolie, je pense. Ils parlent français.
Bon voyage
Bonsoir,
Je doute que la route entre Kansk et Irkoutsk puisse s'arranger rapidement, en particulier la zone dans le permafrost, mais on passe quand même, le tout est de savoir qu'il y a 150 km de très mauvais où la moyenne est de 30 km/h environ, sauf à ne pas respecter le matériel!!! A+
Brigitte
Je doute que la route entre Kansk et Irkoutsk puisse s'arranger rapidement, en particulier la zone dans le permafrost, mais on passe quand même, le tout est de savoir qu'il y a 150 km de très mauvais où la moyenne est de 30 km/h environ, sauf à ne pas respecter le matériel!!! A+
Brigitte
Je ne réponds pas aux goujats et autres vantards.
Bsr,
Tu as peut être raison mais j'ai vu l'été dernier d'important travaux et il me semble qu'ils réalisent une nouvelle route à travers forêts et prairies. Ce serait pour cette raison qu'il ne font sur cette portion de route aucun travaux d'entretien contrairement aux autres routes où j'ai vu partout beaucoup de travaux neufs et réparations.
Quand au permafost, je ne suis pas convaincu. Nous ne sommes qu'entre le 50° et 55° paralèlle, soit à la auteur d'Amsterdam (52°) et Copenhague (55°). Je n'ai jamais entendu parler de permafost dans cette région, pourtant j'y ai séjourné maintes fois. Il me semble que c'est bien plus au nord.
Quoi qu'il en soit, l'on passe avec un véhicule normal, certe pas très vite, mais on y arrive! Et c'est folklo!!!!
A+
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We're planning a full week in Iceland in April. Given the short timeframe to prepare, I’m asking for some help on the forum.
We’re considering renting a camper van to be more independent with our travel. - Is this really a good idea at this time of year due to weather conditions (cold nights, poor road conditions, etc.)? - Can we just "park" anywhere for the night to sleep, or do we absolutely have to go to a campsite? What are the approximate rates for a van with 2 people? Do we need to book in advance? - If this mode of transport is recommended, do you have any good places to rent one?
Iceland is still a big island with lots of points of interest, so I think it’ll be tough to see everything in 8 days. - Are there parts of the island we should prioritize in April? We like hiking (nothing too long—6 or 7 hours is out of the question) and unique landscapes. - Are some sites inaccessible at this time of year? - Is Reykjavik worth stopping for a day or two?
Thanks in advance for your answers!
Jeff
Hi there,
Most of the time when I travel, I tow a trailer with an ATV for my local trips... I’d love to hear from anyone who’s traveled with a trailer and a second vehicle of any kind—especially the downsides of towing a trailer in Norway, aside from ferry costs.
Thanks!
Most of the time when I travel, I tow a trailer with an ATV for my local trips... I’d love to hear from anyone who’s traveled with a trailer and a second vehicle of any kind—especially the downsides of towing a trailer in Norway, aside from ferry costs.
Thanks!
hi,
I’m planning a trip to Albania in a camper van, most likely between May, June, and early July (2027), for about 60 days. On the way down, I’ll go as far as Bari (or Brindisi) and cross by ferry, and on the way back, I’ll go through the former Yugoslavia (or maybe take the return ferry?).
Has anyone been there recently? What are the roads like, the must-see spots, and any general tips you can share?
There’ll probably be two of us traveling together.
Thanks
Hi there,
During our last trip to Greece in 2021, we used Anek Lines' open deck offer, which allowed us to spend the night in our van on an open deck by the sea with access to the ferry's bars, restaurant, and showers (on the Ancona-Igoumenitsa route).
From my initial research, it seems this service no longer exists—can anyone confirm this?
Any alternatives?
Thanks
Hi everyone,
I’m planning to drive my camper van to southern Spain in autumn 2026. Ideally, I’d like to find a ferry leaving from France (Marseille or Toulon, doesn’t matter) that drops me off as far south in Spain as possible. I’ve done some research but haven’t had any luck.
Thanks for your tips!
Vanouk
We’d like to spend 15 days in August visiting Normandy by camper van, starting from Lyon.
Has anyone got an itinerary to suggest for exploring Normandy?
We’d like to go to Calvados to visit: Flower Coast, Honfleur, Cabourg, Deauville, D-Day landing beaches
Mont Saint-Michel
Alabaster Coast, Étretat cliffs, and maybe Rouen Fabienne
We’d like to go to Calvados to visit: Flower Coast, Honfleur, Cabourg, Deauville, D-Day landing beaches
Mont Saint-Michel
Alabaster Coast, Étretat cliffs, and maybe Rouen Fabienne
Hi there,
I have a bit of a crazy dream... I'd love to drop everything and hit the road with my wife and kids in a camper van.
I want to visit villages to learn, immerse ourselves in other cultures, and see different perspectives on the world. To teach my kids different values.
Hi everyone,
I’m planning a campervan road trip and would love some tips from those who know these countries: Slovenia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia, Montenegro, and Slovenia again. At the moment, nothing’s set in stone, but for example, is it better to visit Slovenia or Bosnia? My preferences lean toward landscapes (rivers, sea, lakes)—basically anywhere there’s water! :) Wild camping, cheap or even free spots, and a *very* tight budget—it’s the discovery, curiosity, and meeting locals that drive me. I’ll visit cities and sites only if access is easy (by bike, for example, or by train from an affordable campsite) and if visitors aren’t treated like cash cows. Just reasonable stuff, really. So, any advice is welcome—like swimming spots or easy hikes along coasts or rivers. I love caves and offbeat visits (salt mines in Poland, La Roque Saint-Christophe in France, etc.). Castles and old ruins? Not really my thing... Thanks for your help! Sylvia
I’m planning a campervan road trip and would love some tips from those who know these countries: Slovenia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia, Montenegro, and Slovenia again. At the moment, nothing’s set in stone, but for example, is it better to visit Slovenia or Bosnia? My preferences lean toward landscapes (rivers, sea, lakes)—basically anywhere there’s water! :) Wild camping, cheap or even free spots, and a *very* tight budget—it’s the discovery, curiosity, and meeting locals that drive me. I’ll visit cities and sites only if access is easy (by bike, for example, or by train from an affordable campsite) and if visitors aren’t treated like cash cows. Just reasonable stuff, really. So, any advice is welcome—like swimming spots or easy hikes along coasts or rivers. I love caves and offbeat visits (salt mines in Poland, La Roque Saint-Christophe in France, etc.). Castles and old ruins? Not really my thing... Thanks for your help! Sylvia
Hi, I’m planning to pick up a camper van in Dubai and drive it back to France... is this even possible? What’s the best route? What are the main challenges? Are there secure parking areas along the way? Is diesel fuel available for the whole trip? ... So many questions... Thanks for your help! See you soon!
I'm planning to drive to the UAE by road, going through Iraq. Has anyone done this and can give me some info? Specifically about the border crossings Turkey/Iraq and Iraq/Kuwait.
Hi there,
I’d love to hear your thoughts on a trip to New Zealand in a campervan. Is it a good idea to mix hotels and a car on the North Island and a campervan on the South Island? Or should I do the whole trip in a campervan—though visiting big cities seems trickier that way.
Other questions: which companies do you recommend, and what are the least tiring or most sensible routes? 😄
Thanks for sharing your experiences and ideas!
Hi there,
We’re planning to tour Scandinavia by camper van—Denmark, Sweden, Finland, and Norway (in that order)—for 5 weeks from late May to late June 2026.
I’ve done it before, but that was way back in 1980 😎 and by hitchhiking!
We’d love to hear from anyone who’s done this trip about the best routes, great tips, must-know advice, and what to do or avoid (ferries, campsites, etc.).
Thanks in advance!
hi there,
We’re heading to southern England this summer in our camper van, including a stop in London.
Does anyone have a good experience with a campsite near London that has easy access to public transport to get into the city center? Ideally, we’d like to leave the camper van at the campsite...
Thanks so much in advance for your help!
We’re heading to southern England this summer in our camper van, including a stop in London.
Does anyone have a good experience with a campsite near London that has easy access to public transport to get into the city center? Ideally, we’d like to leave the camper van at the campsite...
Thanks so much in advance for your help!
Hi everyone,
I’m planning a trip with my camper van in autumn 2026 to head to southern Italy from Genoa by ferry.
Ideally, I’d like to leave from Genoa for southern Italy (like Messina) or another city in the boot.
I’ve done some research online but haven’t had any luck.
Can you help or give me some advice?
Thanks in advance!
Vanouk
Hi there, we’ll be in Portugal from March 9 to April 14, 2026. We’ve booked our first five days in Lisbon for sightseeing. After that, we’d like to rent a campervan (RV), but we’re having trouble finding a good site for the rental. The rental would be for about three weeks. Do you have any suggestions for us? We think it’s best to book the campervan before we arrive. And since we’re not mechanics, we need a vehicle in good condition...
Thanks so much for your suggestions. We’re open to everything—even route ideas and places to visit! Pierrette
Thanks so much for your suggestions. We’re open to everything—even route ideas and places to visit! Pierrette







