Trains touristiques suisses: panoramiques ou "normaux"?
by Bomarin01
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Nous projetons d'effectuer en juillet prochain un tour de suisse en train. Nous n'avons aucun doute sur la beauté du parcours mais nous nous demandons s'il est judicieux de choisir systématiquement les trains panoramiques plutôt que les trains "normaux". Sans compter l'obligation de réserver et le montant de la réservation (+ 33 euros pour le Bernina express tout de même), il y a bien sûr un peu moins de trains proposés, j'ai surtout lu quelques avis de personnes, qui, déçues par la saleté des vitres, non ouvrantes, regrettaient de ne pas avoir choisi les wagons normaux, dont les fenêtres s'ouvrent, ce qui permet de faire des photos sans problème et qui permet d'autre part la ventilation en été. Quelqu'un a-t-il déjà expérimenté cette façon de voyager pour nous conseiller ?
Bonjour,
Tout dépendra du trajet choisi! Je dirais que toutes les lignes "touristico-panoramiques" sont aussi desservies par des trains normaux (sans supplément) et à mon avis, pas moins souvent du tout. Par contre je ne suis pas sûre que tous ont des fenêtres qui s'ouvrent. Pour de simples raisons de sécurité c'est de moins en moins le cas. Mais sur les petites lignes de montagnes ou régionales ça reste possible.
Merci de votre réponse. Bien sûr certains parcours doivent être plus appréciables en wagons panoramiques, mais si l'on veut profiter de haltes en cours de route on perd l'avantage de la réservation (par exemple arrêt à Chur pour déjeuner ou stop à Bergun pour le musée de l'Albula) ? Nous déciderons probablement en cours de route mais pensez-vous qu'il sera facile d'effectuer nos réservations la veille du parcours (voyage seconde quinzaine de juillet) ? bien sûr, il sera toujours temps de nous rabattre sur les trains "normaux".
D'après vous, quels seraient les tronçons à parcourir impérativement en train panoramique ?
Certains parcours regroupent aussi plusieurs transports (Wilhelm Tell ou bus pour Lugano), présentent-ils réellement un avantage sur l'achat des suppléments par rapport au Travel Pass ?
Désolée d'être aussi "curieuse", mais ces informations nous permettront d'affiner nos prévisions.
Je ne saurais pas quelle ligne "panoramique" te proposer, ne les connaissant pas dans le détail.
Par contre -c'est une option/état d'esprit personnel!- mais je ne me focaliserais pas sur ces trains-là. Comme tu le dis, si tu as une réservation, tu es contrainte par le trajet. Il y a assez d'autres trains "normaux", qui te permettent de faire une escale ou deux en cours de route et desquels tu peux admirer le paysage et en prendre plein les yeux "quand même"!
Le réseau ferroviaire suisse est dense et fiable, pas besoin de réservation (à part les cas particuliers déjà mentionnés), en règle générale il y a toujours de la place, il faut peut-être éviter les heures de pointes sur les grandes lignes de pendulaires. Tu pourras utiliser l'application "cff mobile" qui te permet d'accéder aux horaires (train, bus, bateaux, etc.) et t'indique la densité de l'occupation du convoi.
ps. j'ai vu une dans le forum une conversation sur le même thème et il y avait de super conseils d'itinéraires si jamais.
voilà, ici de super idées : http://voyageforum.com/discussion/suisse-en-14-jours-en-solo-reseau-train-est-ce-faisable-d7275482/
Nous voici de retour après notre périple en Suisse. Pas de doute ça mérite le voyage. Nous avons particulièrement apprécié les paysages fantastiques, les charmants villages, la technologie omniprésente et le maintien des traditions avec l'entretien d'un patrimoine exceptionnel. Comme prévu nous avions acheté un Swiss Travel Pass qui nous a permis d'effectuer tous nos trajets sans nous soucier de l'achat des billets et qui permet de belles économies auprès des remontées mécaniques et des musées. Les connexions sont faciles, les transports fréquents et confortables, nul besoin de réservation (fin juillet). A présent, nous sommes certains qu'il n'est absolument pas nécessaire de choisir les trains dits "panoramiques" qui imposent la réservation d'une place... dans un train quasiment vide, les parois vitrées empêchent toute photo (déformation, reflets, ruissellement de la pluie). Le wagon non panoramique qui le suit utilise bien sûr la même voie, ses vitres s'ouvrent et des gouttières évitent les traces. Nous même avons préféré ces parcours. Le Wilhelm Tell est encore moins intéressant : il faut réserver une place en 1ere classe, alors que le train offre des wagons en 2ème, cher payé pour une accompagnatrice (charmante), un mini couteau suisse souvenir et une carte postale. La traversée du lac des 4 cantons, peut également être faite sans réserver... il suffit de monter dans le bateau, compris dans le Pass !!! Bien sûr nous étions en première classe et avions l'accès au restaurant hors de prix, mais nous n'avons rien de vu de plus que les autres au cours de cette croisière. Ce concept de "voyage en train panoramique" est surtout un objectif commercial très rentable. D'ailleurs, le point négatif de ce voyage est son coût. L'hébergement, la restauration et les accès aux divers téléphériques, trains à crémaillères, à vapeur, ... font vite exploser le budget, même en faisant TRÈS attention.
Nous sommes prêts à partager notre expérience si vous envisagez la découverte de ce très beau pays.
Bonnes vacances.
Merci pour ces infos très utiles Bomarin!
Un seul souci par rapport à ce que vous dites : nous voyagerons en avril et il fera peut-être trop froid pour ouvrir les fenêtres des trains "normaux" en montagne. Est-ce que ça nous empêchera de profiter de la vue?
À votre avis, si nous avons la Travel Pass, y a-t-il des endroits où il vaudrait vraiment la peine de payer un supplément?
Un seul souci par rapport à ce que vous dites : nous voyagerons en avril et il fera peut-être trop froid pour ouvrir les fenêtres des trains "normaux" en montagne. Est-ce que ça nous empêchera de profiter de la vue?
À votre avis, si nous avons la Travel Pass, y a-t-il des endroits où il vaudrait vraiment la peine de payer un supplément?
Alors, il peut y avoir des exceptions évidemment, c'est une réponse générale:
Il doit rester très très peu de trains où tu peux ouvrir les fenêtres "en grand", tout simplement pour des raisons de sécurité. Ca ne t'empêche pas de voir le paysage.
Et Romarin01 l'a bien souligné, les lignes (trajets) à supplément sont très cher "pour pas grand-chose" et te contraignent dans les horaires. Il y a toujours une ligne régulière "standard" qui fait le parcours. En avril, en plus, si vraiment tu tiens à faire une ligne touristique tu pourrais réserver à la dernière.
C'est une petite remarque en aparté pour comprendre le contexte: en Suisse on est les champions du monde de l'utilisation du train "au quotidien" pour aller au boulot, à l'école dans les campagnes ou zones excentrées, pour les loisirs, etc, ce qui fait que le réseau est extrêmement dense dans tous les sens du terme, couverture géographique et fréquence des horaires et te permet donc d'être souple dans tes aventures.
Bonjour Scottytow,
Le voyage que vous envisagez en avril sera surement très différent du notre, il doit y avoir encore souvent du froid et de la neige à cette époque et effectivement l'ouverture des vitres (qui s'ouvrent en général sur la moitié de la hauteur) peut être délicat... , mais la vue reste tout à fait correcte. Le plus gros problème est de faire des photos exploitables car les reflets sur les vitres et les mouvements du train en font un véritable sport. Paradoxalement certains trains plus lents (comme celui de Brig à Zermatt) nous ont permis de mieux profiter du paysage.
Nous avons suivi le parcours du glacier express en voiture normale, celui du golden pass (réservation non obligatoire), du bernina express (cher) et du Wilhelm Tell Express (tarif excessif). Aucun trajet ne nous a paru justifier le train panoramique. Pour en profiter : une bonne météo et un des guides que l'on trouve un peu partout dans les gares suffisent.
Le Travel Suisse Pass se suffit à lui même et il faut profiter de toutes les utilisations proposées (réseau ferroviaire au top, bus, musées gratuits, accès aux bateaux, grosses réductions sur les remontées mécaniques et trains touristiques) c'est très pratique et permet de faire de belles économies.
Une dernière chose, je ne sais pas quel circuit vous envisagez mais attention, certains sites touristiques ne fonctionnent pas en inter saison. Celui de notre parcours préféré, la ligne en train à vapeur de la Furka ne circule malheureusement qu'en été et hors Travel Pass .
D'ici là, profitez bien de votre beau pays que nous avons adoré et où nous avions profité d'un superbe "été indien" il y a 2 ans.
Merci à vous deux pour les conseils!
Est-ce vraiment TOUS les trajets de train qui s'effectuent aussi en trains "normaux", inclus dans la Travel Pass? Je pense par exemple au trajet entre Interlaken et le Jungfrau.
Aussi, auriez-vous des trajets en bateau à recommander, qui seraient inclus dans le Travel Pass? Ça ferait changement du train. Merci!!
Est-ce vraiment TOUS les trajets de train qui s'effectuent aussi en trains "normaux", inclus dans la Travel Pass? Je pense par exemple au trajet entre Interlaken et le Jungfrau.
Aussi, auriez-vous des trajets en bateau à recommander, qui seraient inclus dans le Travel Pass? Ça ferait changement du train. Merci!!
Oui, le Travel Pass inclus tous les parcours des différents chemins de fer fédéraux ce qui permet de voyager très facilement à travers toute la Suisse. Malheureusement les trains touristiques, dont celui qui mène au Jungfraujoch, n'en font pas partie mais ils bénéficient de réductions (50 % en général). L'approche jusqu'à Lauterbrunnen ou Grinderwald est incluse dans le Pass et la seconde partie via la Schynige Platte bénéficie de la remise de 50 %... ce qui revient tout de même à environ 140 CHF par personne, il ne faut faire cette excursion que par très beau temps pour vraiment en profiter. Un peu plus accessible et vraiment très beau le Gornergrat au départ de Zermatt.
Bon plan, le train à crémaillères qui monte au sommet du Rigi est compris dans le Pass et on accède à la gare de départ depuis Vitznau que l'on peut rejoindre gratuitement en bateau depuis Lucerne.
En effet, les trajets en bateaux sont également accessibles avec le Pass. Le lac des 4 cantons est très agréable dans un beau décor alpin, de même que celui de Brienz et les superbes bateaux à vapeur d'époque qui assurent de nombreuses rotations justifient à eux seuls l'expérience. Nous avons moins aimé la partie Suisse du Lac Majeur, mais la croisière jusqu'aux Iles Borromées (en Italie) depuis Locarno offre une incursion dans une ambiance plus romantique mais très touristique. La Suisse est un petit pays mais elle offre des possibilités touristiques inépuisables.
Je viens de voir votre réponse, qui fourmille de très précieux renseignements!
J'ai décrit notre itinéraire dans un autre post. Nous allons effectivement emprunter le bateau à quelques reprises et profiter des avantages du Travel Pass. Et si le temps n'est pas assez clément pour monter au Jungfrau ou au Gornergrat, le mont Rigi sera assurément une alternative intéressante.
Si notre itinéraire reste le même, nous allons donc emprunter le parcours du Golden Pass, du Glacier Express, du Wilhelm Tell Express et du Centovalli Express, mais sans jamais payer pour les trains panoramiques. J'espère juste qu'en avril, les fenêtres ne seront pas trop givrées par le froid, et que l'on pourra admirer le paysage à notre guise!
J'ai décrit notre itinéraire dans un autre post. Nous allons effectivement emprunter le bateau à quelques reprises et profiter des avantages du Travel Pass. Et si le temps n'est pas assez clément pour monter au Jungfrau ou au Gornergrat, le mont Rigi sera assurément une alternative intéressante.
Si notre itinéraire reste le même, nous allons donc emprunter le parcours du Golden Pass, du Glacier Express, du Wilhelm Tell Express et du Centovalli Express, mais sans jamais payer pour les trains panoramiques. J'espère juste qu'en avril, les fenêtres ne seront pas trop givrées par le froid, et que l'on pourra admirer le paysage à notre guise!
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Hi everyone,
Are there any luggage lockers at Krung Thep Aphiwat Station in Bangkok?
Thanks in advance to those who can help me out, and happy travels! Jaunesoleil
Thanks in advance to those who can help me out, and happy travels! Jaunesoleil
Hi there,
We’re planning a 15-day trip to Uzbekistan in March—classic independent itinerary: Tashkent, Samarkand, Bukhara, Khiva. We’d like to take the train between each city, but I don’t want to lock down the whole trip before we leave.
So, my question is: is it absolutely necessary to book train tickets before departure, whether for the high-speed trains or the regional ones? Is booking really essential for the regional trains?
Thanks a bunch!
Philippe
We’re planning a 15-day trip to Uzbekistan in March—classic independent itinerary: Tashkent, Samarkand, Bukhara, Khiva. We’d like to take the train between each city, but I don’t want to lock down the whole trip before we leave.
So, my question is: is it absolutely necessary to book train tickets before departure, whether for the high-speed trains or the regional ones? Is booking really essential for the regional trains?
Thanks a bunch!
Philippe
Hello,
We’re traveling as a family with two boys aged 10 and 12 to Cairo in February. During our trip, we’re planning to take an overnight train (with or without a sleeper) for the Cairo-Aswan route.
Do you know how I can book this remotely?
Also, I’m looking for: - A local contact to sail the Nile by felucca for 3 days from Aswan - A contact to guide us in Cairo
Looking forward to your tips, and thanks in advance! Marie
Also, I’m looking for: - A local contact to sail the Nile by felucca for 3 days from Aswan - A contact to guide us in Cairo
Looking forward to your tips, and thanks in advance! Marie
Hi everyone,
I first traveled solo to Japan in 2019, exploring the Kyushu region (28 days), and I’m planning to return with my daughter (she’s an adult and it’ll be her first time in Asia) from April 25 to May 9.
I’m reaching out on this forum to ask for route ideas—this time north of Tokyo, but without heading to the Sapporo island (I’m saving that for a future trip).
I’d love to take advantage of the cherry blossom season and its festivities.
I’m looking to create a route that’s a little off the beaten path while staying within 5-6 hours by train from Tokyo to avoid spending too much time on transfers.
Thanks in advance for sharing your suggestions and experiences!
Michael
I'm heading to MEXICO IN NOVEMBER 2025. Since private guides and drivers are really expensive—over 300 € per day—I'm thinking of exploring the Yucatán by train. CAN YOU SHARE ANY INFO ON THIS? Thanks
Hi there!
We’re planning to visit Serbia (1 week) and then Montenegro (2nd week) with our kids from April 18 to May 4. We’d prefer to travel by train (overnight if possible), but we’re not sure which platform to book on or when to do it (is it too early?). If anyone has any tips, I’m all ears!!
I wanted to know if it’s possible to go from Tashkent to Almaty by train without passing through Kyrgyzstan. I’ve heard the border is often closed 😕 between Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan.
Thanks in advance!
Olivier
Hi there!
We’re planning to head back to Istanbul next year—obviously by plane—and then take the train from Istanbul to Antalya. Has anyone here already made this trip by train with TCDD?
I’d love any tips or info that could be useful for us!
I'd like to go to Montserrat on my own from Barcelona. Share your suggestions with me.
Which train should I take, where to get off, what to see once I arrive, etc.
Hi there,
I need to take a sleeper train from Bangkok to Vientiane in January. I found some ticket options on 12Go Asia, but booking doesn’t seem possible at the moment. I’ve tried simulations for several dates, but no luck. I’m wondering if it’s already fully booked, if they’ve stopped selling tickets… yet 12Go still features it every day 😕
Has anyone else run into this issue? Can I find tickets on another site? (I tried Baolau, but no sleepers left for January 8th.)
Thanks!
I need to take a sleeper train from Bangkok to Vientiane in January. I found some ticket options on 12Go Asia, but booking doesn’t seem possible at the moment. I’ve tried simulations for several dates, but no luck. I’m wondering if it’s already fully booked, if they’ve stopped selling tickets… yet 12Go still features it every day 😕
Has anyone else run into this issue? Can I find tickets on another site? (I tried Baolau, but no sleepers left for January 8th.)
Thanks!
Hi there,
I’m a bit late to be worrying about this, but hopefully someone can help me before I leave.
Tomorrow afternoon, I arrive at Lyon Part-Dieu on the TGV at 5:50 PM and take the TER to Mâcon at 6:16 PM. Is a 26-minute transfer doable? Are the TGV and TER on the same departure board? And are they on the same platforms too?
I’ve been to Lyon before but never had to make a connection after arriving.
Thanks
Hello,
Starting November 15th, I’ll be arriving in Thailand, and during my stay, I plan to visit the north, around the Chiang Mai area, then head south to the Krabi region. After Krabi, I’m planning to take an overnight train to Bangkok. I was wondering if there’s a train that leaves from Krabi or Trang, or if I absolutely have to go to Surat Thani? Also, which official website can I use to book my ticket?
Next, since I’ll be arriving at dawn in Bangkok, I’ve planned to spend 2 days in Kanchanaburi. What’s the most convenient way to get there—bus or train? And if you know any companies or websites, that’d be great.
Thanks for your tips!
Fred
Starting November 15th, I’ll be arriving in Thailand, and during my stay, I plan to visit the north, around the Chiang Mai area, then head south to the Krabi region. After Krabi, I’m planning to take an overnight train to Bangkok. I was wondering if there’s a train that leaves from Krabi or Trang, or if I absolutely have to go to Surat Thani? Also, which official website can I use to book my ticket?
Next, since I’ll be arriving at dawn in Bangkok, I’ve planned to spend 2 days in Kanchanaburi. What’s the most convenient way to get there—bus or train? And if you know any companies or websites, that’d be great.
Thanks for your tips!
Fred
Hi! I arrive in Vancouver on August 24, 2025, and I’m staying until Friday, August 29, 2025—the day I take *The Canadian* train to Toronto.
I’m exploring several things in Vancouver, including whale watching—if you’ve got any great tips, don’t hesitate! Thanks!
I’m exploring several things in Vancouver, including whale watching—if you’ve got any great tips, don’t hesitate! Thanks!
Hi there,
Does anyone know if there’s a bus from Luang Namtha to Boten to catch the train coming from China to Vientiane? If so, what’s the name of the company? Also, how long does the bus take to cover that distance? What’s the condition of the road like?
Thanks for your help!
Tom
I just realized there’s only one payment method accepted for booking the Mombasa-Nairobi express train ticket online: M-Pesa, a mobile money transfer service used in Africa. Would it be impossible to book as a European?
Hi
Have any of you booked tickets through rail.ninja?
Hi there,
I’d love to know if any of you have recently eaten on the overnight train from Bangkok to Chiang Mai.
We’ve always ordered food on the train, and it was really good (and super convenient). But in 2022, we ended up feeling like total idiots (with our 4-year-old daughter...) when we boarded the train only to find out that this service was no longer available... (It was the first time we’d traveled right after COVID.)
That’s also when we saw once again how kind Thai people are—they all offered to share their food with us, even though we were mortified. In the end, we managed to buy some instant noodles, which was better than nothing. Anyway, that’s the little story behind it.
In the following years, we’ve always brought our own meals.
I’ve read online that meal trays are back in service (could you confirm this, please?), but that the quality is really poor. I’ve also seen multiple reports that, even though you can eat well everywhere in Thailand, the train meal was the worst food travelers had during their trip...
Could you give me a recent opinion on this? We’ll be departing from Krung Thep Aphiwat Central Station—do you know if there’s anywhere to buy a meal there before boarding the train?
Thanks so much for your help, and have a great Sunday!
I’d love to know if any of you have recently eaten on the overnight train from Bangkok to Chiang Mai.
We’ve always ordered food on the train, and it was really good (and super convenient). But in 2022, we ended up feeling like total idiots (with our 4-year-old daughter...) when we boarded the train only to find out that this service was no longer available... (It was the first time we’d traveled right after COVID.)
That’s also when we saw once again how kind Thai people are—they all offered to share their food with us, even though we were mortified. In the end, we managed to buy some instant noodles, which was better than nothing. Anyway, that’s the little story behind it.
In the following years, we’ve always brought our own meals.
I’ve read online that meal trays are back in service (could you confirm this, please?), but that the quality is really poor. I’ve also seen multiple reports that, even though you can eat well everywhere in Thailand, the train meal was the worst food travelers had during their trip...
Could you give me a recent opinion on this? We’ll be departing from Krung Thep Aphiwat Central Station—do you know if there’s anywhere to buy a meal there before boarding the train?
Thanks so much for your help, and have a great Sunday!
Hi there,
We’re heading to Thailand in February 2026 and we’d like to take the overnight train from Bangkok to Chiang Mai. Can we book two first-class tickets? I’m only seeing second-class options.
Thanks
We’re heading to Thailand in February 2026 and we’d like to take the overnight train from Bangkok to Chiang Mai. Can we book two first-class tickets? I’m only seeing second-class options.
Thanks






