Ps: Je ne suis pas abonné au luxe et je peux me serrer la ceinture quelques jours en rando ;).
Trek de El Mirador au Guatemala
by Dianabolik
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
J'ai fait une recherche sur le site et j'ai envoyé un mail à l'agence Bonvoyage afin de connaître le prix de la rando. Réponse: entre 650e en groupe et 1100e seul. J'ai à nouveau regardé sur ce site et certaines personnes affirment avoir fait cette marche pour 300$. Je souhaite un guide avec eau, tente et basta. Je serai au Guatemala en janvier et pour un mois mais je n'ai pas l'équipement ni l'expérience de la jungle pour le faire seul. Pourriez-vous me communiquer des infos afin de ne pas me ruiner pour une marche de quelques jours.
Merci beaucoup et désolé si je ne suis pas explicite mais je suis à l'étranger et je n'ai pas internet régulièrement et il me reste peu de temps avant le Guatemala... .
Ps: Je ne suis pas abonné au luxe et je peux me serrer la ceinture quelques jours en rando ;).
Ps: Je ne suis pas abonné au luxe et je peux me serrer la ceinture quelques jours en rando ;).
Salut sujet plusieurs fois abordé;
à l'agence San Juan de Flores si tu trouves un groupe tu peux faire baisser le prix à 300 dollars sinon en solo à 500.
Re :la randonnée dure 5 jours, premier jour jusqu'à El Tintal deuxième le plus long jusqu'à El Mirador.REste un jour pour visiter puis le retour
Salut,
J'ai entendu dire que le prix est de 300$
mais je vais demander les prix à quelqu'une sur place.
Je ne suis pas certain mais je crois qu'elle m'avait dit
300$ en hélicoptère hihi mais je vais lui demander.
Je crois être à Peten à partir le vendredi 6 janvier 2012
je serais au Guatemala entre le 3 janvier et le 12 fev 2012
je serais au Guatemala entre le 3 janvier et le 12 fev 2012
Kiej
Bonsoir,
Je ne suis pas certain mais je crois qu'elle m'avait dit 300$ en hélicoptère hihi mais je vais lui demander. Je crois être à Peten à partir le vendredi 6 janvier 2012
pour l'hélicoptère il faut faire partie d'un groupe sinon le pilote m'avait dit 1200$ un voyage seul par personne sans négociation. Dans le meilleur des cas l'agence San Juan peut proposer à 300-400. J'avais payé le guide de la CONAP 1200 Q mais pour un seul voyage du site jusqu'à Carmelita. Pour revenir à Flores un camion de livraison m'avait pris.
Je ne suis pas certain mais je crois qu'elle m'avait dit 300$ en hélicoptère hihi mais je vais lui demander. Je crois être à Peten à partir le vendredi 6 janvier 2012
pour l'hélicoptère il faut faire partie d'un groupe sinon le pilote m'avait dit 1200$ un voyage seul par personne sans négociation. Dans le meilleur des cas l'agence San Juan peut proposer à 300-400. J'avais payé le guide de la CONAP 1200 Q mais pour un seul voyage du site jusqu'à Carmelita. Pour revenir à Flores un camion de livraison m'avait pris.
Dianabolik, resalut
dis moi quand tu vas arriver au Guatemala. Je vais probablement t'aider. Moi, J'arrive à San Salvador le 2 janvier et le 3 jan je prendre l'autobus pour me rendre à Guatemala city.
Je vais rester à la ville en principe jusqu'à 6 janvier. Je vais prendre route vers Flores (Peten) Je vais rester quelques jours.
Pour le voyage au Mirador j'aurais + de détails cette semaine.
Arrives tu à Guatemala city? As tu une place ou arriver?
dis moi quand tu vas arriver au Guatemala. Je vais probablement t'aider. Moi, J'arrive à San Salvador le 2 janvier et le 3 jan je prendre l'autobus pour me rendre à Guatemala city.
Je vais rester à la ville en principe jusqu'à 6 janvier. Je vais prendre route vers Flores (Peten) Je vais rester quelques jours.
Pour le voyage au Mirador j'aurais + de détails cette semaine.
Arrives tu à Guatemala city? As tu une place ou arriver?
Kiej
J'arrive à Guatemala city le 12 janvier et j'aimerais faire El Mirador dès le début de mon voyage afin de parcourir le sud par la suite. Non, je n'ai pas de place où arriver. Je n'ai pas internet tous les jours car je suis à l'étranger, au Texas.
Salut Steph,
Alors tu arrive a l'airport La Aurora?
laisses moi savoir la compagnie, le vol et l'heure
que tu arrives. Ton nom et je vais aller te chercher ou
envoyer quelqu'un (e)
Selon l'heure veux tu partir la même journée à Peten?
ou
veux-tu dormir à Guatemala city? Pour avoir les horaires
d'autobus?
parles tu l'espagnol?
Kiej
J'arrive à 12h30 et j'aimerais donc partir pour San Remate et préparer la marche depuis ce village ou y dormir et aller à flores à l'agence afin de préparer cela. Je n'ai pas beaucoup d'argent pour ce voyage et je ne veux donc pas séjourner dans les lieux dispendieux et je n'aime pas spécialement les endroits touristiques donc voilà ;)
Bonsoir
J'arrive à 12h30 et j'aimerais donc partir pour San Remate et préparer la marche depuis ce village ou y dormir et aller à flores à l'agence afin de préparer cela.
pour les messages à titre personnel tu sais que les messages privés ça existe ?
J'arrive à 12h30 et j'aimerais donc partir pour San Remate et préparer la marche depuis ce village ou y dormir et aller à flores à l'agence afin de préparer cela.
pour les messages à titre personnel tu sais que les messages privés ça existe ?
Bonsoir
J'arrive à 12h30 et j'aimerais donc partir pour San Remate et préparer la marche depuis ce village ou y dormir et aller à flores à l'agence afin de préparer cela.
pour les messages à titre personnel tu sais que les messages privés ça existe ?
Oui, simple erreur mais ce n'est pas vraiment important. N'est-ce pas?
J'arrive à 12h30 et j'aimerais donc partir pour San Remate et préparer la marche depuis ce village ou y dormir et aller à flores à l'agence afin de préparer cela.
pour les messages à titre personnel tu sais que les messages privés ça existe ?
Oui, simple erreur mais ce n'est pas vraiment important. N'est-ce pas?
salut,
je avais pas vu ton message, nous avions nous meme posté sur un autre sujet.
On a pas eu le temps de faire un compte rendu, mais si tu n es pas deja e route pour le mirador, il existe des moyens pour 200e environs voire moins peut etre en groupe, pour 5-6 jours.
On promet de faire un compt rendu sur le forum des qu on a le temps, mais sinon envoie nous un message, on a adresse mail et numero de tel a te communiquer.
Si tu te rends directement a carmelita et que tu xherche un guide local, ca peut peut etre couter encore moins cher (sans passer par la cooperativa, qui est soit disant la seule institution a pouvoir acceder au site, ce qui n est en pratique pas vrai.)
Pour ce prix tu auras, eau, mule pour les bagages, nourriture, guide et eventuellement acces aux installations (tres sommaire) des gardes.
je avais pas vu ton message, nous avions nous meme posté sur un autre sujet.
On a pas eu le temps de faire un compte rendu, mais si tu n es pas deja e route pour le mirador, il existe des moyens pour 200e environs voire moins peut etre en groupe, pour 5-6 jours.
On promet de faire un compt rendu sur le forum des qu on a le temps, mais sinon envoie nous un message, on a adresse mail et numero de tel a te communiquer.
Si tu te rends directement a carmelita et que tu xherche un guide local, ca peut peut etre couter encore moins cher (sans passer par la cooperativa, qui est soit disant la seule institution a pouvoir acceder au site, ce qui n est en pratique pas vrai.)
Pour ce prix tu auras, eau, mule pour les bagages, nourriture, guide et eventuellement acces aux installations (tres sommaire) des gardes.
Si ca peut aider les prochaines randonneurs dans le coin, je confirme, il est tout a fait possible et meme recommande d´aller directement a carmelita en chicken bus et de ne pas ne passer par la cooperative!! Cette derniere prend une commission, en plus de la commission des agences de voyage-si vous passez par une agence- ce qui fait que si on vous demande 600 quetzales par jour par exemple, le guide n´en percevra que 100 alors que c´est lui qui se tape tout le boulot! A cause de cette cooperative qui a le monopole (les agences sont obligees de traiter avec elle, un touriste lambda fait en revanche ce qu´il veut), de nombreux locaux ont perdu une source importante de revenus, et a carmelita ils ne roulent pas sur l´or, pas d´eau courante, maisons en terre battue, une vie tres modeste de paysans pour qui les trecks etaient un gros plus.
Je reviens tout juste de Carmelita, nous y sommes alles directement et avons trouve un jeune guide. Nous etions 2 et pour le guide, la bouffe, l´eau et les 2 mules on a paye 120 euros par personne (si vous n´etes que 2 une agence de Flores demande 480 dollars us!) Sachant qu´on a decide de le faire en 3 jours, ce qui est assez sportif mais faisable. Mais dans tous les cas c´est vraiment moins cher et on sait a qui revient l´argent.
Pour plus d´infos n´hesitez pas a me demander, je peux transmettre le nom de notre guide, vraiment adorable, on a plante notre tente chez lui le 1er et le dernier soir, mange avec sa famille, genial et tres pro.
Il est egalement tout a fait possible de faire le treck seul, si on est motive pour porter le matos, la bouffe et l´eau, mais rien ne l´interdit si vous etes un peu aventuriers!
Bonjour Dianabolik,
Pour ma part, j'ai fait un séjour au Panama et aussi je ne connaissais rien en jungle, et heureusement la jungle d'Amérique Centrale est moins austère qu'en Guyane, bref j'ai eu la chance de rencontre une équipe (je ne fais pas de pub) qui ont une école jungle et ils m'ont carrément formé sur 10 jours, avec et sans matériels au Trek, par contre c'était dans le prix que tu annonces, pension complète. Maintenant je suis en polynésie et je dois avouer que je sais quoi faire pour aller dans ces forêts Je n'ai pas le droit de faire de pub et je ne sais comment faire pour te conseiller, mais essaye de te former avant, car la jungle a ses dangers, ils ont écris un article sur comment vivre en jungle: survivre en jungle, je l'ai téléchargé en pdf
sinon bon courage à toi
xavier
Pour ma part, j'ai fait un séjour au Panama et aussi je ne connaissais rien en jungle, et heureusement la jungle d'Amérique Centrale est moins austère qu'en Guyane, bref j'ai eu la chance de rencontre une équipe (je ne fais pas de pub) qui ont une école jungle et ils m'ont carrément formé sur 10 jours, avec et sans matériels au Trek, par contre c'était dans le prix que tu annonces, pension complète. Maintenant je suis en polynésie et je dois avouer que je sais quoi faire pour aller dans ces forêts Je n'ai pas le droit de faire de pub et je ne sais comment faire pour te conseiller, mais essaye de te former avant, car la jungle a ses dangers, ils ont écris un article sur comment vivre en jungle: survivre en jungle, je l'ai téléchargé en pdf
sinon bon courage à toi
xavier
oser, c'est dépasser son stress.
Je n'ai pas le droit de faire de pub et je ne sais comment faire pour te conseiller, mais essaye de te former avant, car la jungle a ses dangers, ils ont écris un article sur comment vivre en jungle: survivre en jungle, je l'ai téléchargé en pdf
désolé pour le HS mais tu ne sais pas s'ils recrutent des formateurs 😉 ?
désolé pour le HS mais tu ne sais pas s'ils recrutent des formateurs 😉 ?
Bonjour
Tu peux leur poser la question directement (ils ont un contact sur leur site, survie-jungle.com) enfin, je ne pense pas, car tout de même, ils ont un sacré passé: il ya un ex guérillero, un ex commando de jungle et un indien Embera😮 et une d'origine indienne qui enseigne la pharmacopée.
Mais comme dirait l'autre, on ne sait jamais non?
Bonne chance, et le Panama c'est excellent!!
Xavier
oser, c'est dépasser son stress.
bonjour,
je serais au Guatémala en février 2013. Nous pensions éventuellement faire le trek jusque El Mirador. Peux-tu me donner le contact de la personne avec laquelle tu as organisé ton trek ?
MErci d'avance
Cordialement
Bonjour, Nous avions fait le treek jusqu'à el Mirador avec un guide qui s'appelle Walfre Chi, et ça avait été à la hauteur de nos expectatives. Tu peux trouver des renseignement sur lui sur internet. Pour le contacter directement voie-ci son mail:
walfrechi@gmail.com
Bonjour, Nous avions fait le treek jusqu'à el Mirador avec un guide qui s'appelle Walfre Chi, et ça avait été à la hauteur de nos expectatives. Tu peux trouver des renseignement sur lui sur internet. Pour le contacter directement voie-ci son mail:
walfrechi@gmail.com
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We’re leaving in 9 days for a two-week trip to Madeira, mainly to hike.
From my research, I’ve found that since last year, access to most trails—and systematically for the most popular ones—is now paid. You have to pay an access fee of 4.50 € per person per classified hike in 2026, and even 10.50 € for the most iconic hike: Pico Arieiro to Pico Ruivo. When paying, you also have to choose a day and a 30-minute time slot for your start time. Of course, this reservation is neither changeable nor refundable, even if the weather that day is terrible.
Personally, given the massive influx of tourists to the island in recent years, I don’t mind paying a fee to help maintain the trails. Similarly, setting a limit on the number of people who can hike them per day is certainly preferable to preserve this priceless heritage.
However, what’s much less fair is that in reality, most of the available spots are reserved: 1/ for Madeira residents (which is normal); 2/ for "economic operators" (meaning local tour operators). For example, if you’re a non-resident (independent tourist), no booking is possible for the Pico Arieiro hike for an early morning start before September! So, unfortunately, we’ll have to skip this hike. It’s the same issue for Ponta de São Lourenço, the 25 Fontes, Pico Ruivo... in short, all the most popular hikes. Oh well, we’ll skip those too!
So my question is: which hikes do you recommend where we won’t face the huge crowds that the others get? And where we can book the day before for the next day, taking the weather into account?
Finally, a quick accommodation question: we’ve booked the first week in Funchal, but I haven’t decided yet for the second week. Do you have any advice on where to stay in the south or north, preferably avoiding overly concrete-heavy and touristy spots?
Thanks in advance for your tips! 🙂
Pascal
We’re leaving in 9 days for a two-week trip to Madeira, mainly to hike.
From my research, I’ve found that since last year, access to most trails—and systematically for the most popular ones—is now paid. You have to pay an access fee of 4.50 € per person per classified hike in 2026, and even 10.50 € for the most iconic hike: Pico Arieiro to Pico Ruivo. When paying, you also have to choose a day and a 30-minute time slot for your start time. Of course, this reservation is neither changeable nor refundable, even if the weather that day is terrible.
Personally, given the massive influx of tourists to the island in recent years, I don’t mind paying a fee to help maintain the trails. Similarly, setting a limit on the number of people who can hike them per day is certainly preferable to preserve this priceless heritage.
However, what’s much less fair is that in reality, most of the available spots are reserved: 1/ for Madeira residents (which is normal); 2/ for "economic operators" (meaning local tour operators). For example, if you’re a non-resident (independent tourist), no booking is possible for the Pico Arieiro hike for an early morning start before September! So, unfortunately, we’ll have to skip this hike. It’s the same issue for Ponta de São Lourenço, the 25 Fontes, Pico Ruivo... in short, all the most popular hikes. Oh well, we’ll skip those too!
So my question is: which hikes do you recommend where we won’t face the huge crowds that the others get? And where we can book the day before for the next day, taking the weather into account?
Finally, a quick accommodation question: we’ve booked the first week in Funchal, but I haven’t decided yet for the second week. Do you have any advice on where to stay in the south or north, preferably avoiding overly concrete-heavy and touristy spots?
Thanks in advance for your tips! 🙂
Pascal
Hi there,
I’m reposting about the logistics for Samaria Gorge. I’d love to get recent info, especially about whether it’s possible to park my car in Omalos, do the hike, and then catch a bus back to my vehicle. In theory, it’s doable, but when you check the KTEL website, there aren’t any feasible schedules listed. If anyone has recently organized this with reliable, verified details, I’d really appreciate it. Thanks in advance!
I’m reposting about the logistics for Samaria Gorge. I’d love to get recent info, especially about whether it’s possible to park my car in Omalos, do the hike, and then catch a bus back to my vehicle. In theory, it’s doable, but when you check the KTEL website, there aren’t any feasible schedules listed. If anyone has recently organized this with reliable, verified details, I’d really appreciate it. Thanks in advance!
Hi there,
We’re flying from Montreal to Lyon this August to go hiking in the French Alps. We’ve rented a car and will be staying at campgrounds. We’re planning to do day hikes and want to stay a few days in one spot, do a few hikes, then move on to our next camping spot. Could you share your favorite spots or any recommendations for places to spend a few days with great hikes?
A few details: We arrive in early August and leave in early September. We’re looking for day hikes (or shorter), moderate difficulty, with a cumulative elevation gain of no more than 1000m, and of course, beautiful scenery! We’d prefer not to drive too much—maybe it’s best not to head too far south and deal with unnecessary heat? Along the same lines, if you know of any great campgrounds where we can start our hike directly without needing the car, we’d love to hear your suggestions!
Thanks! :-)
A few details: We arrive in early August and leave in early September. We’re looking for day hikes (or shorter), moderate difficulty, with a cumulative elevation gain of no more than 1000m, and of course, beautiful scenery! We’d prefer not to drive too much—maybe it’s best not to head too far south and deal with unnecessary heat? Along the same lines, if you know of any great campgrounds where we can start our hike directly without needing the car, we’d love to hear your suggestions!
Thanks! :-)
Hi there,
I’m planning to go hiking on this island and would like to know the best time to do it. I visited for a few days in November 2018—not for hiking but just to explore—and the weather wasn’t great, especially in the mountains. So, is a star-shaped itinerary doable if I rent a car and maybe use two different accommodations?
I’m not planning to join an organized group—just traveling with one other person and organizing things ourselves—unless you’d recommend a local agency or guide. Finally, even though I’ll be getting maps, a topo guide, and a GPS, I’d really appreciate your top hiking recommendations. Thanks so much for your tips!
I’m not planning to join an organized group—just traveling with one other person and organizing things ourselves—unless you’d recommend a local agency or guide. Finally, even though I’ll be getting maps, a topo guide, and a GPS, I’d really appreciate your top hiking recommendations. Thanks so much for your tips!
hi there,
I’m planning a trip around Cap Corse and the AGRIATES in 2026, from May 8th to 15th (there are still 2 spots left, by the way! Just DM me if you're interested).
I’d love to know which hikes are worth prioritizing in the AGRIATES. We’ll be staying in SALECCIA for two days as our base—what should we focus on from there? A round trip to IGNHU beach? Any other suggestions? For Ostricano, I think it’s too far for a round trip... Thanks for your tips! Have a great day, Anie, Toulouse
I’m planning a trip around Cap Corse and the AGRIATES in 2026, from May 8th to 15th (there are still 2 spots left, by the way! Just DM me if you're interested).
I’d love to know which hikes are worth prioritizing in the AGRIATES. We’ll be staying in SALECCIA for two days as our base—what should we focus on from there? A round trip to IGNHU beach? Any other suggestions? For Ostricano, I think it’s too far for a round trip... Thanks for your tips! Have a great day, Anie, Toulouse
Hi,
I’d like some advice on doing the Camino de Santiago—or part of it—from the Basque Country.
Best,
Hi there,
I’d like to get some info about the GR10 Pyrenees traverse. I need help planning the daily stages and accommodations—my wife isn’t an experienced hiker but walks a lot, so I’d like to schedule shorter walking days and thus a longer overall trip in terms of number of days.
Could anyone give me some help and advice? Best regards,
I’d like to get some info about the GR10 Pyrenees traverse. I need help planning the daily stages and accommodations—my wife isn’t an experienced hiker but walks a lot, so I’d like to schedule shorter walking days and thus a longer overall trip in terms of number of days.
Could anyone give me some help and advice? Best regards,
Hi there, I’m planning the Annapurna Circuit for March 2027 and I’m looking for a local agency with a local guide—preferably French-speaking—to arrange this trek for us. Any suggestions? Thanks
Hello!
We’re spending a few days in Toraja country at the end of May. We’d love to do a day trek—taking our time—on a route that’s stunning in terms of scenery, but not a level 5 in difficulty!
Any suggestions you can share, please?
Thanks in advance
Hi everyone,
I’d like to do the Mare a Mare Sud in May over 4 days. I’ve found quite a few places to stay along the route, but I’m stuck on the start and finish. I’ll be arriving by plane on Sunday evening and would like to start pretty early on Monday morning. Ideally, accommodation right at the trailhead (Alzu di Gallina) would be amazing, but I can’t find anything. Any tips? Also, for the transfer from Figari Airport to Porto Vecchio or Alzu di Gallina? At the end, I’d like to pick up a rental car—any advice on that too?
Thanks in advance!
Caro
I’d like to do the Mare a Mare Sud in May over 4 days. I’ve found quite a few places to stay along the route, but I’m stuck on the start and finish. I’ll be arriving by plane on Sunday evening and would like to start pretty early on Monday morning. Ideally, accommodation right at the trailhead (Alzu di Gallina) would be amazing, but I can’t find anything. Any tips? Also, for the transfer from Figari Airport to Porto Vecchio or Alzu di Gallina? At the end, I’d like to pick up a rental car—any advice on that too?
Thanks in advance!
Caro
I’m traveling solo by plane to Catania in May and plan to hike the northern side of Etna, starting from Linguaglossa where I’ll arrive by bus. After that, I’d love some info on how to get up to Piano Provenzana (shuttles or hitchhiking), since it seems there’s no public transport except in the summer. Can you sleep there in a free or cheap refuge, or camp? And how far up can you go without having to hire a guide? Thanks in advance. Bernard.





