Je découvre ce forum, super ! Que d'infos et bons conseils !!
En auriez-vous encore pour répondre à mes petites interrogations ?
Je pars tout bientôt pour 2 bonnes semaines de Marrakech vers le sud-est (vallée des Roses, du Drââ, du Dadès, ...) en famille (2 adultes et une "enfant" de 12 ans) avec une voiture de loc.
Nous prévoyons visites, ballades, rando, cycle, haltes piscine/repos, etc. mais aussi de ne pas trop prévoir...
- A votre avis, vaut-il mieux réserver l'un ou l'autre points "piscine" au risque que tout affiche complet ou pas nécessaire ? (en particulier je pense à la kasbah Baha Baha)
- Idem pour l'incontournable bivouac à Merzouga : vaut-il mieux réserver ?
- Entre Marrakech et le sud-est je dispose de 2-3 jours et j'hésite entre le ZAT (pour ballades en étoile au départ d'un point fixe, pas équipé) ou les cascades d'Ouzoud (idem). Que me conseillez-vous ? Dans l'un ou l'autre cas, avez-vous de bonnes adresses (logements et guides si nécessaires) ?
bsr,
Pour baha-baha à N'kob, je vous recommande en effet de réserver du fait que c'est le meilleur établissement du secteur, au rapport qualité/prix incroyable. Cet établissement dispose de peu de chambre (un agrandissement était envisagé il y a 2 ans) et le fait de réserver vous permet de pouvoir choisir celle qui vous convient le mieux. Je n'ai jamais vu l'établissement complet, mais du fait de sa renommée ça doit arriver souvent. Perso, j'aime tout particulièrement celles des étages, qui sont authentiques mais dépourvues de sanitaires. En dépit de ce détail elles sont absolument charmantes. Les sanitaires se situent dans un bloc à l'extérieur, mais pas de soucis, la propreté y est exemplaire. Si je me souviens bien celles du rdc possèdent une salle de bain... à vérifier, mais les deux fois où j'y suis allé j'ai quand même opté pour celles à l'étage pour leur "cachet". Une de mes adresses favorites. A votre place, je réserverais par prudence...
Pour le bivouac à Merzouga, je vous recommande sans hésiter, le ksar bicha, qui propose des bivouacs "privés" en demi-pension au rapport qualité/prix exceptionnel. privé ? : on ne vous mélange pas à d'autres groupes, vous restez en famille avec les mêmes prestations... et l'intimité en plus. Accès à dos de dromadaires : 1 bonne heure Aller (et idem retour) au soleil couchant pour voir les dunes se parer de leurs plus belles couleurs...un bivouac confortable, un lever tôt possible, pour grimper en haut d'une dune et regarder le soleil se lever etc... Là aussi, je vous conseille de réserver. Vous trouverez ne nombreux avis élogieux d'authentiques voyageurs concernant cet établissement sur trip-advisor.
Gorges du dadès ; hotel berbère de la montagne. Rien à redire. j'adore cet établissement.
Gorges du toghra : maison d'hôtes tabhorithe mais cette établissement a changé de gérance, il s'est agrandi, a perdu son âme de "maison d'hôte", et la qualité d'accueil s'est considérablement dégradée... cela dit quand on voit l'avantage qu'offre sa position géographique et le cadre où il se situe, c'est dur de faire la fine bouche... demandez une chambre de l'ancienne demeure... pas celles de la nouvelle construction, elles sont minables. Piscine pas toujours très bien entretenue, ménage à l'arrache, et directeur hautain avec son personnel, qui favorise les "groupes" tout en étant peu dévoué aux autres (les voyageurs indépendant)... cela dit, repas très corrects et bonne ambiance musicale. Sans les quelques point négatifs et la propreté douteuse de certaines chambres, cet établissement serait parfait. Quelqu'un y est retourné récemment ?
Voilà pour ma contribution...
Le ksar bicha, j'avais noté.
Les chambres à l'étage, c'est noté !
Merci aussi pour l'adresse dans les Gorges du dadès. J'en manquais aussi.
Il va donc falloir que je planifie un peu ...
Autour de Ouarzazate, avez-vous d'autres conseils ? Oasis Finnt ?
Encore merci !
Bonsoir.
tout à fait d'accord avec Thierry en ce qui concerne la kasbah baha baha;elle ne dispose que de 2 chambres au rez de chaussée avec salle de bains pour le moment, celles en travaux ne sont pas encore terminées.possibilité également de dormir sous tentes installées autour de la piscine.Réservation préalable indispensable.
Autres adresses dans des auberges de charme bien tenues:
gorges de dades:
- auberge les 5 lunes.www.lesles5lunes.com tel.0524830723 et 0670105689
- auberge riad des vieilles charrues:www.riadvieillescharrues.fr.st tel.0670634176 et 0524830652 said et aziza NAIM
skoura:
- auberge famille benmoro:http://www.deserts-maroc.com/sommaire_deserts_maroc.htm .famillebenmoro@hotmail.com. tel.+212524852212 et 0663773165 et hakim: 0668763521
- maison d'hotes kasbah amridil:www.espaceamridil.com tel.0662806378 et 0616101604 et 0524852279
- kasbah ait abou:www.chez.com/kasbahaitabou tel.0666251119 et 0544852234
- auberge chez talout:http://www.talout.com/les_environs.htm
- auberge dar panorama:http://www.darpanorama.com/
- auberge chez slimani: Douar magramane skoura 45500 ouarzazate maroc
SLIMANI1981@HOTMAIL.FR tel:0524 852 367/ 06 61 74 68 82
ait benhadou:un grand choix dont entre autres:
- auberge étoile filante d'or:http://etoilefilantedor.com/auberge.php tel.0661592429 et 0524890322 hind et aurelien
Pour le zat ce n'est intéressant pour les balades à partir de arbaa tighadouine (ou arbaa talatast sur la Michelin)que si vous disposez d'un 4x4 pour rejoindre la partie la plus jolie entre azgour et anza ou dans la vallée à gravures rupestres.
Possibilité d'organiser une rando dans cette région à partir de la vallée de l'ourika:
villageTIZI N OUCHEG situé entre setti fatma et azgour dans le zat
- gite de rachid: thttp://gite-tizinoucheg.com/contact.html tel.0667357095
Autre possibilité de rando près de marrakech:
aller à imlil et faire les villages de la vallée jusqu'à tachdirt, maintenant accessible par route goudronnée.
bon voyage
Me voici avec des ressources pour me permettre
- de réserver là où il faut
- et de me retourner là où ce n'est pas absolument nécessaire de planifier d'avance
:-)
Malheureusement, je n'ai pas de 4x4 pour le Zat. Dommage, j'avais lu que cette vallée était nettement plus sereine que celle de l'Ourika. Je vais chercher pour le village TIZI N OUCHEG. Il n'est pas sur ma carte.
* ****- de réserver là où il faut
- et de me retourner là où ce n'est pas absolument nécessaire de planifier d'avance ***
Aucun établissement ne nécessite de réservation ! sutout en Juillet Aout, l'offre dépasse la demande , et si exceptionnellement un établissement était complet, il y a toujours un plan B de qualité a proximité.
Il faut garder sa liberté de se poser plus longtemps ou on se sent bien , ou de rouler un peu plus si on en a envie, c'est l'avantage de la liberté en voiture de loc.
Pour les plus craintifs, un petit coup de fil la veille au soir ou le matin suffisent partout.
Concernant l'auberge Taborhite, qui a été évoquée plus haut, c'est devenu un lieu d'excursion des TO, et pas des plus fameux, quelques kms plus loin , le village de Tamttatouch dispose d'un dizaine de petits maisons d'hotes , il suffit de s'arrèter, en visiter 3 ou 4, et de se poser.
"Concernant l'auberge Taborhite, qui a été évoquée plus haut, c'est devenu un lieu d'excursion des TO, et pas des plus fameux"
Bjr raoulx,
C est bien ce qui me semblait, j'ai connu cet établissement avant et après son extension. Avant c'était un endroit "idéal", maintenant c'est devenu limite fréquentable...Auriez-vous des coordonnées de bonnes auberges en amont ou aval aux abords de la palmeraie ? ou dans le petit village berbère qui est caché dans la colline sur la gauche avant d'arriver à l'entrée des gorges (il faut traverser le toghra et une partie de la palmeraie).
Cela fait un certain temps que je ne suis pas attardé dans les gorges du Todghra, .... trop de monde !! et pas du meilleur ! ce que j'ai pu constater en passant plusieurs fois cette année.
Je n'étais pas libre de mes mouvements et je regrette ne pas avoir pu prospecter autour de Tamtatouch, j'y ai rencontré des gens heureux, et les touristes croisés dans le minibus d'Imilchil étaient radieux.
Juste un truc, à éviter en bordure de palmeraie à Tinghir, l'auberge "retour au calme", télé à fond pendant le repas, concert de chiens errants toute la nuit !!!
Bien d'accord avec vous pour se laisser aller à la découverte.
Puisque possible, alors je vais suivre cette logique au maximum, me limitant à l'une ou l'autre réservation. Ma seule crainte était de ne pas trouver 1 ou 2 arrêts improvisés "logement-piscine" (sympa et pas trop coûteux) pour ma fille, mais ceci ne semble pas devoir poser de soucis.
De votre point de vue : plutôt Ourika pour ballades vers le Zat (puisque ce dernier peu accessible sans 4x4) ou Cascades d'Ouzoud (en semaine) ou ???
Bonjour,
A mon avis quite à déclencher des hurlements ..
Ni l'un , ni l'autre, ni l'autre......
Zat, sans 4x4, comme déja dit justement, aucun intérét.
Ourika, devient de plus en plus pénible, c'était déja infernal le week end, mais en vacances scolaires, ça ne s'améliore pas, le chemin des cascades ressemble à la queue à la poste !
Ouzoud, en été , sale et bruyant, toute la jeunesse marocaine s'y est donné rendez vous pour camper n'importe ou , avec une grosse consommation de décibels, le tout , sans aucun sanitaire !!!! de plus le débit de l'eau qui fait le charme du lieu risque d'etre mesquin!
des suggestions accessibles avec la première logan venue :
Imlil, juste après Asni, grandiose, avec de quoi faire à pied, logements rustiques corrects, sauf un gros truc très cher.
Ouirgane, 20 km au dela , le "sanglier qui fume" sympa avec piscine, ou "momo", mais je crains qu'il ne se prenne une grosse tete, avec des prix pour narcos.
Un coup de coeur fraicheur, encore quelques kms sur la route du Tizi n'test : Ijoukak.
C'est en effet, ce que je craignais. Je renonce d'office aux cascades d'Ouzoud (que, de plus, j'ai déjà vue y a près de 20 ans du temps où elles étaient encore quasi vierges... je risque d'être drômement déçue) .
Merci pour les autres pistes que je vais regarder de près dès ce soir !
Aussi avec le point de chute suggéré par Larazou (si se situe loin loin après la queue de la poste !!)
Hello, my husband and I will be in Egypt this coming November. Cairo seems more challenging to explore without a guide, and we’ll be there for 3 full days. Would anyone have the name of a guide?
Thanks!
Hi, we're looking for a guide to show us around Essaouira.
We're 11 adults and don't want to go through an agency. If you have a contact to help us discover this city, that would be great!
Thanks
I’m heading back to Egypt for the first time in 30 years this July. Last time, I was 20, and we spent two weeks traveling on a shoestring as backpackers.
I’m wondering about a "cruise" on a felucca from Aswan—mainly to avoid being stuck in an air-conditioned tourist bubble (we’re already spending our first week in that setting with our diving club). We’d like to explore the most interesting stretch of the Nile between Aswan and Luxor. Do you have any thoughts on this option, tips, or maybe some contacts?
I was wondering if it’s possible to join a group as a solo traveler with local agencies in Djanet for circuits like Tadrart, Essendilene, Sefar, or Tassili?
If you have any agencies to recommend, I’d love to hear about them.
I didn’t find any info on the forum.
Best,
Here’s a first draft for a 14-night itinerary during the Christmas break with two teens. We’re especially fond of hiking (nothing too extreme, though), which is why we’re drawn to the south.
- Marrakech (2 nights)
- Aït Ben Haddou (1 night)
- Dadès (3 nights, though we’re thinking of doing a day trip to the Todra Gorge on one of those days)
- M'hamid (1 night)
- Erg Chigaga (1 night)
- 4 nights to slot in
- Marrakech (2 nights)
Okay, I realize this involves a lot of driving, and we’re still debating the return route since we’d like to avoid the Tichka Pass in January, but going through Taroudant seems like it would add *a lot* of time. 😕
If you’ve got other suggestions for an itinerary with great hikes, I’m all ears!
Also, the 4 nights total in MRK isn’t really our preference, but since we’re arriving/departing super early from overseas, we’d like to be a bit rested before the long flight.
Another question:
For hikes (aside from the desert one), is it better to have a guide with us, or are the trails well-marked?
Hi everyone,
Our trip to Morocco will be from November 3 to 17, in the High Atlas.
Basically, our route would be:
Marrakech - Aït Benhaddou
Skoura - Tinghir - Merzouga
Merzouga via the N12 to Zagora
Zagora - Draa Valley - Marrakech
It seems to be the low season, so I’d love to travel without having to book accommodations in advance. In other countries, pre-booking has restricted us and kept us from visiting unplanned sites. Freedom is important to us, but I’d also like to avoid arriving somewhere and finding nothing available.
What do you recommend? Book ahead or not?
Your advice is always helpful, and thanks to anyone who can shed some light on this for me.
Roberto
First of all: a big thank you to everyone whose insightful, funny, lively, and exotic posts we’ve enjoyed. It’s a joy to find such lovely writers on this forum, who’ve given me tons of ideas and addresses to prepare our trip.
Our plan: to explore Morocco from November 2nd to December 4th. We’ll have our own vehicle (a 2011 Renault Grand Scenic, in great condition), shipped with us from Sète to Tanger Med. Returning from Nador.
Our profile: 75 and 62 years young, so old but happy to be, in very good health. Seasoned travelers—it’s practically our whole life. Lovers of beautiful landscapes, historic sites, fine craftsmanship, and road trips. This will be my 3rd trip to Morocco, but the first two were 20 and 17 years ago. I’ve never been north of the Essaouira-Marrakech line (though I’ve gone further south). As for my husband, a lifelong expat including in Muslim countries, it’s his first time in Morocco.
He’s the one driving. He’s very experienced, cautious, not necessarily fast, but used to driving in all conditions (and countries, including the most creative on the road). But I don’t want to tire him out, and he no longer drives at night (and we’ll be there in November).
I’ve decided to show him a bit of everything by taking a road trip along beautiful backroads, with daily distances averaging 180-200 km (except on highways, which will be rare), regularly broken up by rest days. I’m counting on a speed of 40-50 km/h, plus stops/visits along the way.
Since I’ve read so many posts, I’ve narrowed it down to some very specific questions.
1) Coming directly from Rabat via the highway, we’d prefer to skip Marrakech*. Still, we’ll need to sleep somewhere nearby. We’ll head toward Skoura the next day. Does anyone have a well-located address for this route, possibly east of Marrakech? Ideally, we’re looking for a small town, easy parking, clean accommodation (minimum) with average comfort (or better if available), a bit heated, and if possible, pretty and/or nice—but above all, a place to sleep well, wash with lukewarm (ideally hot) water, and have a decent dinner.
(*Explanation for the "no-go" in Marrakech: it’s a shame, because there are truly beautiful things in this city, but I think the vibe won’t suit us—it’s an understatement for "it’ll put us off" / "make us flee" / "traumatize us." Not because it’s too crowded and we want to stand out from tourists (we’re part of them), but because of forced henna on your hand, or spending 10 minutes every quarter-hour saying "no thank you" to a "guide" who’s as much a guide as I am a trapeze artist. Knowing us, it’ll wear us down. The country is vast and beautiful, and our time too short to waste our memories just days after arriving. And I don’t want to ruin things for my peaceful husband, or he’ll demand we turn back—and Sète in November isn’t exactly thrilling either.)
2) Which route to Skoura (in 2 days)? I see two options: either via the Tichka Pass, with a night in Telouet before reaching Skoura, or via the R307/N23 from Demnate, with a night near Megdaz before descending to Skoura. So: Tichka Pass or R307/N23? I have a slight (big) preference for the second option, even though I know the other route is very beautiful too. Of course, before deciding, we’ll check the weather and the current state of the R307/N23—does anyone know where to get info on the road conditions? But even assuming the road is "passable," is it a bit too tough in itself? In short, is it reasonable? If a kind soul could share their experience, a thousand thanks in advance.
That’s all I’ve written for now. I’ll save the other questions for later posts. Thanks again to those who had the patience to read this and to those who can respond. Happy Sunday to all!
I’m just a few days away from my trip to Marrakech—I’m leaving from November 13th to 20th and bringing my parents along! I’d love to plan my stay as best as I can, and I’m sure the forum crew can help. So, here are my questions:
- Where’s the best place to exchange money without getting ripped off? The owner of the riad where we’re staying told us to avoid doing it at the airport because it’s really expensive and to do it in the medina instead, near Jemaa el-Fna square.
- Which traditional hammams do you recommend that are reasonably priced? How much should we budget for one? That’ll help me plan my expenses.
- What are some nice restaurants in the medina?
- I’d also like to know roughly how much to expect for a tea, a meal, a taxi, a djellaba, and babouches. I don’t want to get overcharged and would like to know what to expect.
- What are the must-do activities and places to visit?
Hi, I’d like to head to Morocco next week with my car. I’ve looked online at all the different info about the ferry crossing to Tangier, but I’m finding it really expensive. Is there a way to buy tickets in Spain? Or another way to get the Algeciras–Tangier crossing cheaper? Thanks for any tips or info!
We found a guide who offers the trip from M'hamid to a camp (departure at 3 PM, tea, meal, camel ride, overnight stay, breakfast, and return to M'Hamid by 11 AM the next day via the sacred oasis). He quoted us a price of 380 € for April.
What do you think of this rate?
This might sound like a silly question, but is it common to negotiate the price for this kind of thing (we're booking from France)? It’s still a big part of our travel budget.
Hi there,
We're planning to visit Egypt between January 25 and February 15, 2027. I looked up the Ramadan dates and found some sites saying it starts on February 8, while others say February 18... Where's the mistake?
Thanks,
Christian
Hi there,
We’re a family of 4 with two boys aged 12 and 10 traveling to Egypt in February.
We’re spending 3 days in Cairo to take our time exploring the city and the sites before heading south.
-Is it necessary to have a guide to visit the GEM? Are audio guides available?
-Do you have any contacts for drivers to organize a few transfers (Giza, Saqqara, Airport)?
-Do you know a French-speaking guide who’s friendly, family-friendly, and good at making things exciting, with reasonable prices?
With our two teens, we’re heading to Morocco for two weeks at the end of December and beginning of January. It’ll be our first trip that’s more "off the beaten path," even though we’ve visited several countries before. Given the overwhelming amount of info, I’m feeling a bit swamped with the prep this trip requires, and I’ll admit I’m a little lost when it comes to figuring out what’s realistic to visit in two weeks 😕 So, all your tips, personal experiences, and suggestions are more than welcome!
- Which places should we prioritize during this time of year? (I’ve read that some spots are less accessible in winter?)
- What’s the best way to get around? (rental car, train, private transport, buses, etc.? — just a heads-up, we’ll have a few suitcases!)
- In terms of "safety," are there any areas to avoid?
- Any recommendations for reliable local tour companies (beyond the big names like "Get Your Guide") that offer excursions or private transport to help us explore the country?
- A doable 2-week itinerary that lets us enjoy the country’s diversity without having to change accommodations every two days?
I’m planning a trip to the High Atlas in Morocco and have a few questions for you:
- Why do so many people recommend avoiding international agencies for car rentals? Can anyone explain why?
- Is Booking.com reliable, and has anyone rented a vehicle through their service? There’s a pretty big price difference compared to local Moroccan agencies.
- Is there a detailed road map included in the rental car?
- Is Google Maps enough to get around the High Atlas? This will be my first trip there.
Thanks so much to anyone who can help with this destination I’ve been dreaming about for years.
Have a great evening,
Roberto
hi there, I’m heading to Tunisia 🙂 from April 27 to May 8 with my family. I’ve read through the various discussions about the country, but I’m still a bit unsure🤪: for currency exchange, I saw on the French Ministry of Foreign Affairs website that withdrawing currency with a bank card from ATMs is limited to 200 TND per week. There are four of us traveling by car, so that might be a bit tight! And it’s a hassle to carry a lot of cash, even if I’m not being paranoid! What do you all recommend?
Cheers,
Laurent.
We're planning a 2-week trip in late February/early March for a road trip in the High Atlas with a rental car, and we'd love to avoid booking our accommodations in advance. Is that doable, easily manageable, or risky (are accommodations available, expensive, or not great)? Thanks for your tips!
Annie
Hi,
This autumn, we’re planning to explore the Oriental region and we’re wondering where the best place to land would be. We’ll have three weeks ahead of us and we’ll be renting a car.
Any tips would be much appreciated. Thanks.
Is there an official website or list of certified Egyptologist guides in Egypt? And most importantly, what are the normal prices for a full day or half day? There’s so much scamming and crazy pricing—depending on who you contact, it can range from simple to quadruple!!!!
Thanks
Hello,
In September, my wife and I, along with another couple, will be traveling to Tunisia and staying at the Sheherasade Hotel near Sousse.
We’d love to hear your recommendations or tips on places to visit, as well as advice on taxis or other transportation options.
Thanks in advance!
This autumn’s trip should be in Morocco—barring any geopolitical issues between now and then.
After many trips to the south of Fès, I’m giving the north a try.
My plan is roughly to do a road trip loop from Rabat back to Rabat, passing through Asilah, Tangier, Tétouan, Chefchaouen, Akchour, Fès, Meknès, and Volubilis.
That’s a lot of cities.
Probably a bit too many for our taste—we usually prefer more isolated spots...
So I’m looking for tips on little backroads, secluded beaches, half-day hikes, and offbeat places.
If you’ve also got recommendations for accommodation... (We’re open to splurging over 100 € if it’s a real favorite.)
Feel free to think outside the box—this is an open-ended plan! !😉
Hello,
I’m looking for testimonials from Pieds-Noirs who have recently returned to Algeria.
There can’t be many left after 65 years of the country’s independence.
I’m planning to go back myself soon to reconnect with my roots... before I pass away...
I’ve started making a few pre-bookings for hotels and apartments to rent in Algiers. At first, I received friendly and welcoming responses. Then, when I mentioned I wanted to stay for two or three weeks—maybe even a month—explaining that my trip wouldn’t be strictly touristy but more of a pilgrimage to the places of my childhood, and that it would likely be a very emotional journey, I expected a positive and warm reaction to my approach. Instead, I suddenly stopped getting replies from the three or four people I’d contacted. So now I’m wondering about the reception former Pieds-Noirs can expect...
Anyone here who can share their experience of returning? I specified “recently” because it seems that right now, diplomatic relations between the two governments are extremely tense, not to say hostile... even if Macron claims otherwise...
Hello,
I’m traveling to Algeria from October 27 to November 16, 2026.
I’d love to hear from anyone who’s been through the process about the accommodation attestation required for the visa application:
- Does it need to cover the entire duration of the trip?
- Is this document mandatory for a hotel to rent a room?
- Is it checked during inspections?
- Is a hotel booking (e.g., via Booking.com) sufficient for the visa?
- If so, does it need to be paid in advance?
I plan to visit several cities and do one or more treks with a guide or agency.
If you have any contacts you’d recommend, I’d be grateful!
Also, I’d love to share this trip with a companion who’s already done some traveling.
We’d organize the journey together, of course.
Thanks for your feedback!
Safe travels to all,
Dom, Dijon, 64 years old
I’m leaving for Tunisia in five weeks for a full 15-day trip. I’ll be arriving in Monastir and departing from there as well.
I’d like to do a route that’s a bit different from my first stay, which was more focused on cities and culture (Tunis, Sousse, Kairouan, El Jem).
I’ll be getting around by public transport.
I’d like to head south toward Tozeur, and I saw that you can take a *louage* from Monastir to Sbeitla (2h30). I imagine it’s not too complicated to get to Tozeur from there afterward? The issue is the return trip to Monastir and safety in Sbeitla.
If this route seems too complicated, I might opt for Djerba instead, which looks simpler.
I’m heading to Morocco in September 2026, and part of my trip takes me through Merzouga. I’m looking for a 4x4 driver-guide to explore the area with my partner and me.