Cabin baggage size (1 centimeter over)
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MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
Hello,

Yes, and we can also look back at the history of this trend. The fashion for rigid cabin bags with wheels, pushed to the absolute limit of the allowed dimensions, is recent. It emerged in response to airlines introducing extra charges for checked baggage. At its core, the system has been distorted: in principle, cabin baggage shouldn’t need to be protected from shocks and shouldn’t have to be wheeled around, since it’s supposed to be a reasonable weight. A rigid cabin bag guarantees it’ll take up all the space even when half-empty, at the expense of other passengers’ luggage. And nine times out of ten, when an overhead bin won’t close, it’s because of those unnecessary wheels sticking out.

Looking at it this way, I think wheeled bags should be banned from cabins. We’d end up with softer bags that, by optimizing space in the bins, would make it easier to accommodate everyone—even on a full flight.

Michel

I’m not in favor of banning rigid suitcases either... not everyone can carry a shoulder bag over long distances. I struggle with it myself, but I don’t have any solutions either.
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MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
Only those who don’t plan ahead find it a problem to have to put their baggage in the hold, so honestly, take some responsibility instead of expecting to be assisted for every little thing. Do you have medication or anything else you absolutely need to keep with you? Take a bag that fits under the seat, and there you go—problem solved.

First come, first served isn’t a proper or efficient way to board a plane; some airlines even board by cabin zone. A clear and fair rule shouldn’t dissolve into a race to see who can keep their bag in the cabin.

Michel

... A prepared passenger doesn’t wait until the last minute to board either, so they have a very small chance of having to put their bag in the hold...

You should read the messages before replying. Almost the entire discussion is about bags being put in the hold, including just before entering the plane, when staff walk through the cabin. Whether you’re prepared or not, it doesn’t change anything.

It *does* change things—if you don’t board last, there’s no obligation to put your bag in the hold because, surprise, there’s still space in the cabin. Assuming, of course, that the bag meets the size requirements. Though some here seem convinced that passengers only have rights and no responsibilities when it comes to baggage.

Some airlines only allow ONE bag—no handbag, laptop bag, or anything else—which makes it a real issue.

Laptops shouldn’t have to go in the hold either.

Fingers crossed that with my small soft bag, I’ll still be able to keep it with me.
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TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
Hi there,

Originally, that was the idea 🙂 : cabin bags light enough to be carried easily. By charging for checked luggage, airlines encouraged people to game the system, and manufacturers flooded the market with these rigid little suitcases that now cause overcrowding in the cabin.

Michel
CH Chatokay Globetrotter ·
In a contract, you don't change the rules midstream and you don't act arbitrarily

Except when it suits you, of course. There’s a rule about cabin baggage size, yet you say it’s okay to break it. The hypocrisy is strong with you.
CH Chatokay Globetrotter ·
Some airlines only allow ONE piece of luggage, and you’re not allowed a handbag, laptop bag, or anything else—so it becomes a problem.

No one’s forcing you to fly with those airlines.
CH Chatokay Globetrotter ·
Hello,

Originally, that was the idea 🙂 : cabin bags light enough to be carried easily. By charging for checked baggage, airlines encouraged people to exploit the system, and manufacturers flooded the market with these rigid suitcases that now cause overcrowding in the cabin.

Michel

Not true. If your suitcases meet the size requirements and are stored properly, there’s no issue. Oh, but yes, that does require a minimum of responsibility from the passenger—something you strongly oppose, apparently.
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
What’s wrong with this? If on a high-density short-haul flight every passenger brings a regulation-sized bag—like a hard-shell wheeled carry-on—it won’t all fit in the overhead bins. You lose a lot of space because of the rigid structure and the wheels.

I don’t need a civics lecture from you, just saying—no hard feelings. 🙂

Michel

Hello,

Originally, that was the idea 🙂 : cabin bags light enough to carry easily. By charging for checked luggage, airlines encouraged people to game the system, and manufacturers flooded the market with these hard-shell wheeled carry-ons that now cause cabin space issues.

Michel

Wrong. If those suitcases meet the size limits and are stowed properly, there’s no problem. Oh, but yes—it does require a minimum of passenger responsibility, something you strongly oppose.
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
True, things aren’t black and white 🙂. I’m not saying you can break the rule on this, I’m just pointing out that in reality, it’s what happens—with the tacit agreement of both passengers and airlines. There’s a kind of modus vivendi here, and there’s no reason to hide that from people who come here asking for advice.

Michel

When it suits you, though. There’s a rule about cabin baggage size, yet you’re saying it’s okay to break it. The hypocrisy is strong with you.
MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
Some airlines only allow ONE piece of baggage, no handbag, laptop bag, or anything else, so it becomes a problem.

No one’s forcing you to fly with those airlines.

I travel based on my budget. And the "just do this, just do that" attitude only goes so far...

I don’t like checking my cabin bag, but since mine’s a soft bag, I’ve never had an issue. Meanwhile, some hard-shell suitcases get automatically checked into the hold, but I’m left alone.
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EL Elgordo Veteran ·
... The prepared passenger doesn’t wait until the last minute to board either, so they have a tiny chance of having to check their bag into the hold...

You should read the messages before replying. Almost the entire discussion is about bags being checked into the hold, including just before entering the plane, during boarding when staff walk among passengers.

It *does* make a difference, because if you’re not among the last to arrive, there’s no obligation to check your bag into the hold—surprise, surprise—there’s still space in the cabin. Assuming, of course, that the bag meets the size requirements. Naturally, some here seem to believe passengers have only rights and no responsibilities when it comes to baggage.

How can I put this—you’re being a bit much. We’ve explained in black and white that it has absolutely nothing to do with the order you arrive at check-in. Are you even reading the messages? We’re telling you that it’s in the BOARDING area that staff come around and check for bags that are WITHIN THE LIMITS. The hold is nearly empty, and everyone just wanted to take their cabin bags. Except when the plane is full, the bags don’t fit, so staff take yours back—right in the BOARDING area—to put it in the hold. At check-in, all these people got through without any remarks from the CHECK-IN staff. Is that clear enough for you now? Whether you arrived 3 hours early or 10 minutes before check-in closes, you’re treated the same way. And in my case, it was on AF. There you go: CHECK-IN/BOARDING/CABIN/HOLD—got it?
Ils ne savaient pas que c'était impossible, alors ils l'ont fait.
EL Elgordo Veteran ·
Hello,

Originally, that was the principle 🙂 : cabin bags light enough to be carried easily. By charging for checked baggage, airlines encouraged people to abuse the system, and manufacturers flooded the market with those rigid suitcases that now cause overcrowding issues in the cabin.

Michel

False. If those suitcases meet the standards and are stored properly, then there’s no problem. Oh, but yes, that requires a minimum of responsibility from the passenger—something you strongly oppose.

I think we can’t discuss this with you when your bad faith is so obvious. Do you really think 3 standard-sized cabin bags fit in the overhead compartments in a row on a domestic flight in France, for example????
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CH Chatokay Globetrotter ·
... The prepared passenger doesn’t wait until the last minute to board, so they have a tiny chance of having to check their bag into the hold...

You should read the messages before replying. Almost the entire discussion is about bags being checked into the hold, including just before entering the plane, during boarding when staff walk among passengers.

It *does* make a difference—if you’re not among the last to arrive, there’s no obligation to check your bag into the hold because, surprise, there’s still space in the cabin. Assuming, of course, the bag meets the size requirements. Some here seem to believe passengers have only rights and no responsibilities when it comes to luggage.

How can I put this? You’re being a bit much. We’ve explained A + B that this has *nothing* to do with the order you arrive at check-in. Are you even reading the messages? We’ve told you it’s in the BOARDING area that staff walk around and check bags that are *within the limits*. The hold is nearly empty, and everyone *wanted* to take their cabin bags. But when the plane is full, staff come around in the BOARDING zone to TAKE BACK your bag and put it in the hold. At check-in, all these people got through without any remarks from the check-in staff. Is that clear enough for you now? Whether you arrived 3 hours early or 10 minutes before check-in closed, you’re treated the same way. And in my case, it was on AF. There you go: CHECK-IN/BOARDING/CABIN/HOLD—see the difference?

So what? You can put a bag under the seat—it’s up to you to plan ahead if there’s something you really can’t part with. You can whine or be insulting, but the facts are there: with a little organization, there’s no need to part with the essentials.
CH Chatokay Globetrotter ·
Hello,

Originally, that was the principle 🙂 : cabin bags light enough to be carried easily. By charging for checked baggage, airlines encouraged people to exploit the system, and manufacturers flooded the market with these rigid suitcases that now cause overcrowding in cabins.

Michel

Wrong. If those suitcases meet the size requirements and are stowed properly, there’s no issue. Oh, but yes, that requires a minimum of responsibility from the passenger—something you strongly oppose.

I think we can’t discuss this with you when your bad faith is so obvious. Do you really believe three standard-sized cabin bags fit in the overhead compartments for a row on a domestic flight in France, for example????

Yes. Here’s the best way to stow your carry-on luggage on a plane Oh, sure, if you just toss everything in haphazardly…
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
Of course you can rush out your meds, stuff them in your pockets, grab your laptop under your arm, and board like that... Travel that way, and still have to wait for your luggage for half an hour standing in front of a conveyor belt on arrival. But that’s not a decent, respectful, or proper way to treat people who’ve gone to the trouble of packing their bags by the rules.

Michel

... The prepared passenger doesn’t wait until the last minute to board either, so they’ve got a slim chance of having to check their bag...

You need to read the messages before replying. Almost the entire discussion is about bags being checked into the hold, including just before entering the plane, when staff walk among passengers during boarding. Prepared or not, it doesn’t change a thing.

It *does* change things, because if you’re not among the last to arrive, there’s no obligation to check your bag since—oh, surprise—there’s still space in the cabin. Assuming, of course, the bag meets the size requirements. Naturally, some here firmly believe passengers only have rights and no responsibilities when it comes to luggage.

How can I put this? You’re being a bit much. We’ve explained to you A + B that this has *nothing* to do with the order you arrive at check-in. Are you even reading the messages? We’ve told you it’s in the BOARDING area that staff walk around and check bags that are WITHIN THE RULES. The hold is nearly empty, and everyone *wanted* to take their cabin bags. But since they don’t fit when the flight’s full, staff take your bag—right there in the BOARDING zone—to put it in the hold. At check-in, all these people passed without any issues from the CHECK-IN staff. Is that clear enough for you now? Whether you arrived 3 hours early or 10 minutes before check-in closed, you’re treated the same way. And in my case, it was on AF. There you go: CHECK-IN/BOARDING/CABIN/HOLD—see the difference?

So what? You can put a bag under the seat—it’s up to you to plan ahead if there’s something you really can’t part with. You can whine or be insulting, but the facts remain: with a little organization, there’s no need to part with the essentials.
MA Magne2 Globetrotter ·
With Transavia, the rules are simple and it's not really hard to comply with them.
Hasta la vista
CH Chatokay Globetrotter ·
Of course you can rush to grab your meds, stuff them in your pockets, carry on with your laptop under your arm, and board like that...

Whoa, so much bad faith—even from you—it’s becoming laughable. You pack your meds in a bag that fits under the seat *right from the start*. That’s called being prepared.
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
Well, yes... Suspenders and belt... Hi-vis vest, whistle, survival mirror, and 20 meters of rope.

So you're recommending mandatory nested bags—nice idea, you should patent it. 🙂🤪

Michel

Of course you can rush out your meds in an emergency, stuff them in your pockets, grab your laptop under your arm, and board like that...

Whoa, so much bad faith—even from you, it’s becoming laughable. You pack your meds right from the start in a bag that fits under the seat. That’s called being prepared.
CH Chatokay Globetrotter ·
Alright, it's clear you're trolling, so there's no point in continuing. Come back when you've grown up a bit.

Oh sure... Braces and belt... Hi-vis vest, whistle, survival mirror, and 20 meters of rope.

So you're recommending mandatory nested bags—cute idea, you should patent it. 🙂🤪

Michel

Of course you can rush out your meds, stuff them in your pockets, grab your laptop under your arm, and board like that...

Whoa, so much bad faith—even from you, it’s becoming laughable. You pack your meds right from the start in a bag that fits under the seat. That’s called being prepared.
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
But I was being very serious, my dear Olivier. Just as much as you, in any case... 😏

Michel

Alright, it’s obvious you’re trolling—no point in continuing. Come back when you’ve grown up a bit.

Oh, sure... Braces and belt... Hi-vis vest, whistle, survival mirror, and 20 meters of rope.

So you’re recommending mandatory nested bags—cute idea, you should patent it. 🙂🤪

Michel

Of course you can rush to grab your meds, stuff them in your pockets, then carry on with your laptop under your arm and board like that...

Whoa, so much bad faith—even from you, it’s becoming laughable. You pack your meds right from the start in a bag that fits under the seat. That’s called being prepared.
PR Protege Globetrotter ·
Hi there, The BA rule is simple: Two bags allowed in the cabin—the smaller one must go under the seat and the larger one in the overhead bin.

BA also clearly states that cabin bags may be placed in the hold.
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
Hi there,

BA isn’t exactly a dream airline 🙂.

Michel

Hello, BA’s rule is simple: Two bags allowed in the cabin—the smaller one must fit under the seat, and the larger one in the overhead bin.

BA also makes it clear that cabin bags can be checked into the hold.
PR Protege Globetrotter ·
Hi there There’s no more leniency with European airlines. 😠😠 The only upside is that BA is significantly cheaper than other airlines when flying from LUX.
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
From what I know, which is limited, BA is roughly on par with SAS but without the advantage of CPH. For me, it's below carriers like LH, LX, A3, and only just on the level of LO and SN. Nowhere near TK. I’d drive or take the train 500 km to find a decent airport—Luxembourg gives you plenty of options.

Michel

Good evening There’s no more dream left in European airlines. The only thing going for BA is that it’s significantly cheaper than other airlines from LUX.
BL Blesl Veteran ·
Hi Michel,

Just a note about the wheels...

On Air France, the allowed weight for carry-on luggage in economy is 12 kg. Wheels are really helpful when you hit that limit, especially with transfers in huge airports. In our case, my partner and I take our photography gear in the cabin—it’s heavy (and expensive, and tempting, so AF actually advises not to put anything valuable—or fragile—in the hold). That said, I completely agree with sticking to the rules, wheels or no wheels...

Have a good evening,

BL

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MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
I’ll add that the weight of a rolling suitcase isn’t negligible—it’s less space for your stuff!

My soft bag weighs only 200 g, so I can bring 12 kg of belongings. That said, I avoid maxing it out because it *is* heavy. But I like the peace of mind of keeping my luggage with me.

Everyone chooses the suitcase or bag that works for them, for sure. But the fact remains that this system has its limits, since Ryanair has drastically restricted the number of cabin bags.
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PR Protege Globetrotter ·
Hi there;

For cabin baggage, the issue isn’t the weight but the dimensions. A soft bag is more likely to exceed the size limit if it’s stuffed (as I often see), whereas a hard-shell suitcase won’t. At some airports, you’ll struggle with your soft bag packed at 12 kilos because of the distances you have to cover—whether walking or running.😉

Stricter enforcement of cabin baggage dimensions is a necessity.

It’s true that denser planes and HBO fares don’t help solve the problem of cabin baggage space. But if only passengers could already fit their cabin bags under the seat.....
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
Hi,

I don’t see why a passenger with just a modest soft bag should have to sacrifice legroom, space for their legs, or their in-flight comfort just because some people prefer to bring hard-shell roller suitcases that are often empty. A passenger without a hard-shell bag isn’t a second-class passenger.

Michel
PR Protege Globetrotter ·
Hi Michel,

I didn’t explain myself well—I was talking about the second cabin bag. Of course, only for airlines that allow it ;)
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
So if the soft bag is the only cabin baggage, does it still have to go in the hold? 🙂

Michel

Hi Michel

I didn’t explain myself well—I was talking about the second cabin bag. Of course, this applies to airlines that allow it 😉
PR Protege Globetrotter ·
Yes Sir.
PR Protege Globetrotter ·
Even LH recommends putting your cabin baggage under the seat, so... 😉
MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
Hello;

For cabin baggage, the issue isn’t the weight but the dimensions. A soft bag is more likely to exceed the size limit if it’s stuffed (as I often see), whereas a hard-shell suitcase isn’t. At some airports, you’ll suffer with your overloaded 12 kg soft bag because of the distances you have to cover—whether walking or running.😉

Stricter enforcement of cabin baggage dimensions is a necessity.

It’s true that denser planes and HBO fares don’t help solve the issue of cabin baggage space. But if only passengers could already fit their cabin bags under the seat.....

It rarely weighs 12 kg, though—that’s too much for me.

At one point, I had a wheeled thing, and dragging it hurt my back just as much, if not more—plus, it was heavy even when empty because it weighed more than my 200g soft bag.

For longer trips (e.g., 3 weeks in Russia last year), my partner helped carry it—gotta put a man to good use 😛

When the overhead bins are full, flight attendants come around and ask people to put small bags under the seat.
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SO Sopp784 ·
Hi,

I don’t find checks very frequent with this airline. Can anyone tell me if it’s the same with Air France? I also have a bag that’s slightly over the allowed dimensions…
MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
Never seen any Air France checks on the Paris-Nice route, at least.
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EN Envallis Globetrotter ·
Hello,

I find that checks aren’t very frequent with this airline. Could anyone tell me if it’s the same with Air France? I also have a bag that’s slightly over the allowed dimensions..

I do a round-trip Paris-Marseille with Air France every week and I’ve never seen a single check. Maybe because the planes are rarely full...
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SO Sopp784 ·
Everything went smoothly for me, my cabin bag was allowed without any issues.

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