Two weeks in Bangkok: your off-the-beaten-path suggestions
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LU Lulu56 Regular ·
Especially for those who love Thailand, how could anyone not want to go back?

Unimaginable!!! Just thinking about it gives me the blues... 🤪
PA Partirdeloin Regular ·
... For Kanchanaburi, I strongly advise against taking the train. First, because you have to go pick it up at Thonburi Station, which is in... Thonburi. Then, because it’s always one to two hours late, and finally, because it’s a third-class local train (so you can’t reserve seats) that stops everywhere.

From Bangkok to Kanchanaburi by public transport other than the train, there are 3 options: - Bus 81 a/c (2-hour trip, departures every 20 minutes) from Sai Tai bus terminal. It’s the farthest from the city center, but it’s the best choice if you have a lot of luggage since you can check it in the hold.

Hello,

While I think you have great knowledge about Thailand, some of your info is a bit outdated.

That said, I don’t entirely agree with your take on transportation options.

- First, you say you have to take the train at Thon Buri and that you have to go to Thon Buri—well, that’s stating the obvious. But the station is actually easy to reach, especially with the Chao Phraya River boat, which you’ve already mentioned. The station is right behind Siriraj Hospital, which is along the river and served by those boats.

- Then, you mention Sai Tai bus terminal (full name: Sai Tai Mai-Taling Chan), more commonly known as the Southern Bus Terminal, which is also in... Thon Buri, but much more out of the way than the train station.

- Minivan a/c from Mo Chit minivan terminal, the most accessible and the one that’ll save you the most time stuck in traffic.

I’m not convinced it’s faster, even if the minivan uses expressways. After all, those routes still cross Bangkok, since Mo Chit is on the east side of the city and Kanchanaburi is to the west.

I actually found a minivan from Transport Co Ltd (a government company), No. 9918, that makes stops in Bangkok on the way to Kanchanaburi, while the return trip seems to be direct between Kanchanaburi and Mo Chit...

If you’re making the Kanchanaburi-Chiang Mai trip via Bangkok, take a minivan from Kan to Mo Chit, then use the walkway to the "regular" Mo Chit terminal where your bus to Chiang Mai will depart. That’ll save you 2 hours of crossing Bangkok.

Beyond what I’ve already mentioned about traffic, it’s worth noting that Mo Chit has undergone major organizational changes this past year. I’d strongly advise our friend to take the time to scope things out beforehand to travel stress-free.

Best regards,

Partirdeloin.
PA Partirdeloin Regular ·
... By train: the tourist schedules (the ones you find online)

Unfortunately, this statement is false. SRT (State Railways of Thailand) has entered the 21st century. Besides having a fairly comprehensive website largely translated into English, they’ve developed mobile apps that let you buy tickets and also find all the schedules you want—both for long-distance and commuter trains.

There’s even a dedicated site for tracking train positions in near real-time, which lets you check the delay of any train live, if needed.

That said, they used to offer a downloadable timetable that was really useful, but it hasn’t been updated since it was created in April 2023, even though some schedules have changed since then. I find that pretty disappointing.

They list about a dozen Express or Rapid trains per day (both with a supplement) coming from far away* (all trains stop at Ayutthaya) and terminating at Aphiwat. In reality, there are also 17 others not shown on those schedules because they’re "commuter trains"** (local trains). They don’t stop at Aphiwat and terminate at Hualampong. If you take one of these commuters, get off at Bang Sue Junction station.

Actually, there are 16 long-distance trains and 11 commuters serving Ayutthaya. However, since commuters are primarily meant to transport students and workers, they’re concentrated in the morning for the Ayutthaya→Bangkok route. The last one that might interest our friend is at 12:40 PM—after that, the next commuter isn’t until around 6 PM.

Of course, there are long-distance trains serving Ayutthaya in that time frame.

From Aphiwat or Bang Sue*** it’s just a short taxi ride to Mo Chit.

You can also take one of the many buses that serve both locations for a bargain price. (Wait + bus takes 15/20 minutes max.)

*Frequent delays of 1–2 hours, and you must take the train indicated on your ticket.

While it’s still far from perfect, SRT has made a lot of progress, especially with the construction of double tracks.

Partirdeloin
PA Partirdeloin Regular ·
I’ll do as you say, but I’ll still have to squeeze into the minivan with my backpack and suitcase. No big deal though, since it’ll save me from crossing Bangkok. Thanks

Hello,

If I understood correctly, you’re going to Kanchanaburi before Ayutthaya, so you can easily leave your non-essential luggage at your Bangkok accommodation—unless you’re heading straight to Ayutthaya without stopping in Bangkok. In that case, since you’ll be passing through Bangkok again for your bus to Chiang Mai, I’d recommend leaving your extra bags in a locker at Mo Chit (3rd floor) before heading to Kanchanaburi and picking them up when you return from Ayutthaya.

This way, you can travel lighter on the Kanchanaburi-Ayutthaya leg.

Best regards,

Partirdeloin
SO Songsam Veteran ·
Good evening,

- to start, you say you need to take the train at Thon Buri and that you need to go to Thon Buri, which is a truism

It’s not *that* much of a truism. If I wrote it that way, it’s because the station is called Thonburi—since in Thonburi, there are other stations with different names (like Bang Ramat, for example).

because the station is right behind Siriraj Hospital

Did you know that Siriraj Hospital (actually an annex) was built about thirty years ago on land donated by the SRT, where the original terminus station, called Bangkok Noi, used to be? It was demolished for a reason, but I still remember it from the first (and only, believe me!) time I went to Kanchanaburi in 1985. The current Thonburi station, which has since become the *de facto* "terminus," was the first stop when leaving Bangkok Noi.

station is easily accessible, especially with the Chao Phraya river boat

Easily... if you’re already on one side of the river. Otherwise, you’ll have to deal with transportation, traffic jams, and crossing a bridge whose approaches are often congested.

you mention the Sai Tai bus terminal by its full name, Sai Tai Mai-Taling Chan

Thais say "Sai Tai," and taxi drivers say (and understand) "Sai Tai," so there’s no need to remember or use its full name. At most, you might need to say "Sai Tai Gao" if you’re talking about the minivan station (which is itself at the old location of the bus terminal*). Also, the "Mai" can be confusing for a taxi driver because in Thai, it also means negation—so if you mispronounce it, they might think you *don’t* want to go to Sai Tai. They won’t admit they don’t understand (due to cultural reasons), will smile, and you’ll end up driving around Bangkok for hours without ever reaching Sai Tai...

* The Sai Tai bus terminal has moved three times. The very first location (which I also remember...) was right by the Chao Phraya, until it was decided to relocate bus terminals far away to "ease" traffic.

I’m not convinced it’s faster

You’re not convinced—which implies you’ve never taken this train, right? If so, try it one day, and after that, you’ll take the bus or minivan. For non-touristy reasons, I used to hang out at Kanchanaburi station daily, and every day, I saw the train from Bangkok arrive—always one to two hours late (sometimes three). The passengers getting off always looked exhausted.

it’s still true that they cross Bangkok, since Mo Chit is east of the city and Kanchanaburi is west.

No, Mo Chit is in the *north*—Ekamai is in the east. The minivans leaving Mo Chit for Kanchanaburi don’t cross Bangkok; they take the expressway heading west right away, more or less bypassing the city. I’ve made that trip at least fifteen times in each direction.

I even found a Transport Co Ltd (government) minivan, No. 9918, that stops in Bangkok on the way to Kanchanaburi

For about a dozen years now, public minivans to/from the provinces have been banned from passing through Bangkok. That’s why terminals were built near Sai Tai and Mo Chit specifically for them. The 9918 is the regular minivan that leaves Mo Chit every 15 minutes, which I already mentioned above. For info, there’s also the 81, which leaves Mo Chit every 30 minutes for Lad Ya and also serves Kanchanaburi via the same route.

Best regards.

2-3
SO Songsam Veteran ·
Looks like I’ve got a "proofreader" on my hands... Not too swamped?
LA Langsuan Regular ·
If you think Mochit is east of BKK, you’ve completely lost your bearings!

Would you like some GPS recommendations?
PA Partirdeloin Regular ·
It’s not as obvious as it seems. If I wrote it that way, it’s because the station is called Thonburi—because in Thonburi, there are other stations with different names (like Bang Ramat, for example).

Hello,

Saying that Thon Buri station is in another city makes sense, just like saying Bang Ramat station is in Thon Buri makes sense. It’s like clarifying for a non-French person that Gare de Lyon is in Paris, not Lyon, which might be confusing.

But the way you seemed to present it—especially with the ellipsis and a negative tone—made it sound like Thonburi was some "middle of nowhere" where only a fool would venture. Meanwhile, you didn’t mention the bus terminal at all, even though it’s in the same area.

Did you know that Siriraj Hospital (actually an annex) was built about thirty years ago on land donated by the SRT, where the original terminus station, Bangkok Noi, used to be? It was demolished for a reason, but I still remember it from the first (and only, believe me!) time I went to Kanchanaburi in 1985. The current Thonburi station, which later became the "terminus," was the first stop after leaving Bangkok Noi.

Thanks for this additional info.

Easily... if you’re already on one side of the river. Otherwise, you’ll have to deal with traffic, jams, and crossing a bridge where the roads are often congested.

Based on our friend’s choice of accommodation (Sukhumvit), which I looked into, the BTS and MRT are the fastest ways (since they avoid rush-hour traffic) to reach a "pier" (dock) for the Chao Phraya River boat, which also isn’t affected by the traffic issues mentioned.

Thais say Sai Tai...

My point wasn’t linguistic (I don’t think Thai linguistics is a priority for our friend) but geographical. When you search for "Sai Tai," dozens of places come up. With the full name—or better, the common name—it’s much clearer.

Also, "Mai" can be confusing for a taxi driver because in Thai, it’s also the word for negation...

*Mai* is a negation at the start of a sentence but becomes a question at the end, like in *Sabai dee mai?* (How are you?). And *mài* means "new." Just saying—it’s really hard to summarize Thai that simply.

I’m not convinced it’s faster

You’re not convinced, which implies you’ve never taken that train...

This quote was from a paragraph where I was talking about Mo Chit and minivans—not the train...

Is that the case? If so, take it one day, and next time you’ll take the bus or minivan. As for Kanchanaburi, for a non-touristy reason, I used to hang out at the station daily. Every day, I saw the train from Bangkok arrive—always one to two hours late (sometimes three)...

I stand by the fact that things have improved for the reasons already mentioned. Proof I couldn’t give last night: today, I checked the available data, and the train was only 18 minutes late—far from the daily one, two, or even three hours you mentioned.

No, Mo Chit is in the north...

My mistake—the late hour of my post is probably to blame for that mix-up...

They take the expressway that heads west right away, more or less bypassing the city.

The "more or less" you added this time makes all the difference. Nonthaburi, where the expressway you mentioned passes through, is a very close and densely populated suburb of Bangkok, with heavy traffic during rush hour.

I even found a minivan from Transport Co Ltd (a government company), No. 9918, that goes to Kanchanaburi with stops in Bangkok

For over a dozen years now, public minivans to/from the provinces have been banned from passing through Bangkok.

The route info I gave is current, but I haven’t verified it personally.

If our friend takes this option—which I also suggested because of the luggage storage at Mo Chit, letting him travel lighter on the Bangkok-Kanchanaburi-Ayutthaya-Bangkok route—he can easily confirm how it works.

Best regards,

Partirdeloin.
PA Partirdeloin Regular ·
Clearly I’ve found a "proofreader" to check my posts... Not too swamped?

Clearly you’re "way off," but feel free to think you’re some kind of "prophet"—seems like they’ve been popping up everywhere since the forum reopened...

And you don’t seem to be one either...

Best regards,

Partirdeloin.
LA Langsuan Regular ·
Songsam deserves a prophet

Personally, I felt like a messiah and a guru

Time to change the literature 😉 or your circle
MA Marien33 Veteran ·
Hi, It’s getting a bit heated because of me, and I feel bad about it. I’m stuck in the middle like an idiot, to be honest. I told you yesterday—all three of you gave me great advice and helped me out, and I’m really grateful. One says to never take minivans and to stick to big buses, another recommends the train, and a third thinks minivans are the best option... I don’t know who to listen to anymore. I’ll just go my own way now—by train, bus, minivan, car, or on foot... For Joël, who hasn’t seen the final version yet, here’s the recap: - 1 week in Bangkok - 4 nights in Kanchanaburi - 3 nights in Ayutthaya - 2 weeks in the area of Chiang Mai - 4 nights in Lampang - 6 nights in Nan - 4 nights in Phrae - 4 last days in Bangkok And nothing’s set in stone!!! Thanks again
JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
The minivan is the fastest and the most expensive option. It sometimes drives a bit too fast and dangerously. If you have large luggage, you’ll pay for an extra seat to store it. The bus is the most comfortable and quite affordable. You sit up high, there are bathroom breaks and a rest stop. VIP buses have toilets and reclining seats. The train is the cheapest and, depending on the route, particularly slow. It’s safer, though. Sometimes there are no windows at all, and the AC can be a bit chilly for overnight trips.

Let’s take a moment to appreciate our fellow members who voluntarily provide information when many others aren’t around. And they don’t just give brief, basic answers—far from it. Sure, feathers might ruffle now and then, but keep in mind that the same question can sometimes lead to different answers. Nobody’s perfect, after all.

That said, when discussions pile up and contradict each other, I’ve found myself even more confused after reading everything than before I started.

Jean-Marie, sometimes you have to read and re-read what’s been written to make a good summary. In the end, choose the option that best fits your tastes, needs, and budget. The decision is yours to make.

Your current route will let you see some beautiful countryside, lovely landscapes, and a few stunning temples. This itinerary is more balanced and original than many others we see here.

Before arriving in Lampang, Nan, or Phrae, ask your current hotel, as soon as you check in, to contact your next hotel and arrange a taxi, songthaew, or tuk-tuk driver for your upcoming visits. That could really help.
MA Marien33 Veteran ·
Hey there,

SRT (State Railways of Thailand) has stepped into the 21st century. Besides a pretty comprehensive website largely translated into English, they’ve developed mobile apps that let you buy tickets and check all the schedules you want—long-distance or commuter. There’s even a dedicated site for near real-time train positions, so you can track delays for any train in real time if needed.

I’ve got this kind of app in India, and I book all my train tickets that way. I even make reservations for friends or VF travelers who can’t book from France. And I often book for my Indian friends too!!! 😉 I was thinking, if only I could have something like this in Thailand...
MA Marien33 Veteran ·
You can easily leave your non-essential luggage at your Bangkok accommodation, (...) since you’ll be passing through Bangkok anyway for your bus to Chiang Mai, I’d recommend leaving the extra stuff in a locker at Mo Chit (3rd floor) before heading to Kanchanaburi and picking it up when you return from Ayutthaya. That’ll let you travel lighter on the Kanchanaburi-Ayutthaya leg.

This is a great tip—thank you so much! I’ll definitely put it into practice.
MA Marien33 Veteran ·
If I refer to our friend's choice for his accommodation (Sukhumvit), which I looked into.

I don’t remember at all—like, not at all—saying which area I booked my room in ;) except to Joël, in private
MA Marien33 Veteran ·
Let's pay tribute to our fellow members who volunteer to provide information services in the absence of many others for now. Let’s add that they don’t just give brief, basic answers—far from it. Sure, feathers might ruffle now and then, but it’s worth noting that the same question can sometimes lead to different answers. And nobody’s perfect.

Did I complain about anything to anyone?

However, when exchanges pile up and contradict each other, I’ve found myself even more confused after reading everything than before I started.

That’s exactly it.

Jean-Marie, sometimes you have to read and reread what’s written to make a good synthesis. In the end, choose the option that best fits your tastes, needs, and budget. It’s up to you to decide.

Isn’t that what I said and did?

Before arriving in Lampang, Nan, and Phrae, ask your previous hotel, as soon as you arrive, to contact the next one to arrange a taxi, songthaew, or tuk-tuk driver for your future visits. That could really help.

Sure, but I fully intended to do that myself—and not just for those three cities—without asking my previous hosts.
SO Songsam Veteran ·
The more or less you specify this time makes all the difference, because Nonthaburi, where the expressway you mention passes, is a very close and densely populated suburb of Bangkok and subject to heavy traffic during rush hours. (...) The route info I gave is current, but I haven’t checked it personally.

The route info from the app that says Mo Chit is in the East? No, the expressway I mentioned doesn’t go through Nonthaburi—it’d be pointless to go that far up. Drop your apps and reply with your on-the-ground experience, please.

Best, 2-3

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