Safety in Istanbul?
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TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
Re....

Since this is a debate about secularism, I’m not sure it belongs in this section or in this discussion about safety in Istanbul....

Michel
JA JacquesAnnic Regular ·
You're right. So since I started this misplaced debate, I’ll declare it closed. 😉

To try and make up for my lack of knowledge (and there’s plenty to catch up on!) about Islam, I watched a program on Arte this week, titled: "The Prophet Muhammad and Women" "Documentary (Religions)" "Director: Lila Salmi, Malek Chebel Year: 2007 Country: France"

It’ll be rebroadcast: Saturday, September 1, 2007 on Arte at 6:00 AM Set your VCRs, and comments should be posted not here but over there: http://television.telerama.fr/tele/emission.php?id=6499197
JA JacquesAnnic Regular ·
As I said nearly 20 years ago now, "I truly hope I’m wrong so I can keep visiting this amazing country with peace of mind..."

Unfortunately, Erdoğan, that great democrat, has once again shown his open-mindedness by arresting his main opponent, İmamoğlu, ahead of the presidential election.

I certainly don’t know anything about Islam, as Nemo1001 so kindly pointed out, but I can sense the rise of tyrants like Erdoğan, Putin, Xi Jinping, Trump, and many others.

Jacques
VO Voyajou Globetrotter ·
If for three of them you had a "good feeling," let’s hope your intuition is wrong about the fourth and that the deep democratic roots of his country—which the others lacked—will trip him up.
PI Pierroro Globetrotter ·
Patratras is pretty quiet!
ER Erjome Globetrotter ·
As I said nearly 20 years ago now, "I truly hope I’m wrong so I can keep going back to this amazing country with peace of mind..."

Unfortunately, Erdoğan, that great democrat, has once again shown his open-mindedness by arresting his main opponent, İmamoğlu, ahead of the presidential election.

I certainly don’t know much about Islam, as Nemo1001 so kindly pointed out, but I can sense the rise of tyrants like Erdoğan, Putin, Xi Jinping, Trump, and many others.

Jacques

Hello,

I just got back from Istanbul (a city I particularly love) last night after my third visit. I was really surprised last Sunday to see the entire area from Galata Tower to Taksim Square cordoned off by police. They had pulled out all the stops—hundreds of heavily armed officers with shields and some seriously intimidating vehicles. I asked several of them why the streets were closed and what was going on, but strangely, none of them spoke English 😉. As I kept weaving through the open streets, a few people confirmed that the Trans Pride march hadn’t been authorized and that the authorities were making a show of force to deter the most determined participants. Given the situation and the risk of clashes, I was advised to leave the area.

Turkey: No illegal restrictions should be imposed on Pride marches - Amnesty International Belgium

The police were also present at tourist sites, but I didn’t feel any tension or concern at all.
KL Klcity ·
Just back from Istanbul after a short stay (first time), and I found the city pretty safe and clean—even more so than some European cities (Barcelona, Paris, or Milan), where you always have to keep an eye on your belongings (pickpockets, etc.).

That said, wow, is it expensive! Tourists are getting fleeced—drinks, restaurants, visits, etc., are just as pricey as in France, if not more (!)

I honestly don’t know how middle-class Turks manage with prices like these. Even in the more remote neighborhoods, prices stay surprisingly high when you consider the average income level in Turkey or Istanbul.

It’s crazy...
KA Kate Globetrotter ·
Hi there,

However, and I don’t know if any members have mentioned this here or elsewhere, but it’s so expensive!!! Tourists are getting ripped off—drinks, restaurants, visits, etc., even more expensive than in France(!)

I noticed this while planning my second trip to Istanbul (September). Topkapi entry at 64 €, Hagia Sophia at 32 € 🏴‍☠️ Same seems to go for restaurants… I think I paid 15 € for Topkapi back in 2019. Luckily, my flight and the apartment I found near Galata are super reasonable. But I was hoping for a low-cost week…
MA Mathews Globetrotter ·
hi there, @Kicity: just keep in mind that Turkey has a lot of inflation, which is why prices are so high 😐
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
Good evening,

Inflation doesn’t justify everything, because normally it’s accompanied by currency devaluation. Here, it’s a vicious process: prices based on the euro or dollar have skyrocketed. Istanbul Airport has probably become the most expensive in the world—or close to it. You can’t buy anything there at a normal price anymore. Taxi scams are also back in full force.

Michel
ER Erjome Globetrotter ·
Exactly, the prices have skyrocketed in recent years. The entrance fees for iconic sites don’t deter tourists because there’s always a very long wait depending on the season. But luckily, Istanbul has other wonders, and if you're on a tight budget, you can skip them.

What shocked me the most were the prices at the airport.

VI VinceAndorra Regular ·
Hi there,

I was in Istanbul yesterday—the only insecurity is for your wallet! Prices for visiting monuments and some restaurants in the old city have gone completely crazy, but hey, a ferry to the Princes' Islands (an hour and a half by boat) is only 2.5 €. Same for the ferry between Eminönü and Arnavutköy, around 1.70 €. The city has a lot to offer beyond the historical monuments, and thankfully so. It’s still an incredible city.

I went through the new airport last year: two Turkish coffees and two baklavas = 20 €. Never again.

Have a great trip.
MA Mathews Globetrotter ·
hi there, to build this new airport, Turkey must have had to borrow and take on debt. It’s obvious that repaying the debt and covering the construction cost of this airport makes kebabs expensive! 😛 Gotta sell a lot of pain au chocolat and Turkish delight to make up for it
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
Hi,

No, it was funded by a private consortium. If the state has to bear any costs, it will be when it takes over, in about fifteen years. If it’s so expensive, it’s because the target audience is no longer the budget-conscious European travelers who used to arrive at Atatürk; it’s the crowd for whom places like Galataport were built—those who love luxury and come to spend.

Michel
VI VinceAndorra Regular ·
Hi,

“I felt like I was in Dubai!” That’s what I thought when I arrived last year. I really missed the old Ataturk.

It’s a bit of a shame, really.
MA Mathews Globetrotter ·
hi,

No, it was funded by a private consortium. If the state has to bear any costs, it will be when it takes over in about fifteen years.

Whether the funding is private or public, I’d be tempted to say it doesn’t really matter. At the slightest financial hiccup, the debt burden will become an issue. We also shouldn’t let emerging countries like Turkey take on too much debt either. I feel like I’m seeing pharaonic projects popping up left and right in emerging countries. Like the Neom project in Saudi Arabia—basically the new Dubai, which, in my opinion, is a total aberration.
GI Girardinpho Veteran ·
Hello

However, and I don’t know if any members have talked about it here or elsewhere, but it’s so expensive!!! Tourists are getting ripped off—drinks, restaurants, visits, etc., even more expensive than in France(!)

I discovered this while preparing my second trip to Istanbul (September). Topkapi entry at 64 €, Hagia Sophia at 32 € 🏴‍☠️ Same seems to go for restaurants... I think I paid 15 € for Topkapi back in 2019. The price of my flight and the apartment I found near Galata are super reasonable, luckily. But I was hoping for a budget-friendly week...

Hello, We just got back from a 5-week trip across Turkey with our own vehicle. We enjoyed exploring the real Turkey, where prices are completely reasonable, whereas in Istanbul, prices are extremely inflated for tourists 🤑 and there are so many people visiting these places!
MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
I came across this discussion and I’m shocked by the new prices! In my great naivety, I thought Hagia Sophia, now a mosque again, was free...

I was thinking of going back to Istanbul—it’s been ten years already! (I kept a travel journal, time flies... 😮). Oh well, I won’t see Topkapi or Hagia Sophia again, too bad. That’s when I realize how lucky I was to visit so many places before. Plus, when I was there, tourism was down after the attacks.

Luckily, the city has plenty more to offer, but those are still the iconic sites you want to see if it’s your first trip...
KA Kate Globetrotter ·
I came across this discussion and I'm shocked by the new prices!

Hi there, And 2 coffees for 11 € near the Galata Tower—does that ring a bell? I just got back from Istanbul, and what struck me was how the number of tourists is growing in proportion to the prices! Still, we managed to enjoy our week in Istanbul by working around these issues as best we could. I’ll post a travel journal by the end of the week…
MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
Yeah, that shocks me!

Where are the new tourists coming from?

I’m afraid I’ll be disappointed if I go back...

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