Guide francophone et voiture pour le sud du Maroc
by Lasigotiere
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
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nous arrivons à Agadir le 1er avril pour en repartir le 11.
nous aimerions visiter le sud en passant par Tafraoute/vallée du Draa/Ouazazate/vallée du Dadés, etc
et revenir par Marrakech en 4 X 4 avec un guide francophone
peut être avez vous des adresses à nous communiquer pour ce voyage et nous donner une idée des prix
merci à tous
lasigotiere
au maroc les gens parlent francais 😏
Au risque de te contredire, l'enseignement et l'usage du francais au Maroc étant en forte régression, la question ne me paraissait pas vraiment déplacée.
j'ai du mal a comprendre pourquoi le francais serait en regression au maroc c'est plutot le contraire et cela pour de nombreuses raisons.
je vais donner 2 raisons meme si il y en a d'autres:la tv francophone par sattelite et principlament francaise;la diminution de l'illétrisme car de plus en plus de marocain vont à l'école et dont le francais est enseigné tres tot.
j'ai du mal a comprendre pourquoi le francais serait en regression au maroc c'est plutot le contraire et cela pour de nombreuses raisons.
je vais donner 2 raisons meme si il y en a d'autres:la tv francophone par sattelite et principlament francaise;la diminution de l'illétrisme car de plus en plus de marocain vont à l'école et dont le francais est enseigné tres tot.
Je crains qu'une fois de plus, ta méconnaissance profonde du Maroc et du Maroc profond ne tégare!
La télé Francaise "au bled" ??? tu veux faire croire cela à qui ?? non !!! "Al Jazira" en boucle!
Et ne surtout pas croire la pub officielle sur le recul de l'illétrisme, on constate le contraire sur place, et surtout s'il y a de plus en plus d'écoles, la qualité de l'enseignement, en particulier dans les zones de langue maternelle berbère est lamntable !
La télé Francaise "au bled" ??? tu veux faire croire cela à qui ?? non !!! "Al Jazira" en boucle!
Et ne surtout pas croire la pub officielle sur le recul de l'illétrisme, on constate le contraire sur place, et surtout s'il y a de plus en plus d'écoles, la qualité de l'enseignement, en particulier dans les zones de langue maternelle berbère est lamntable !
tu te trompe, l'arabisation de l'éducation nationale à fait beaucoup de dégat jusqu'au bac les maths, les sciences, histoires-géo sont en arabe, puis après le bac tout est en français du coup les jeunes maintenant parlent mal le français, et c'est l'echec assurer après le bac pour une grande partie quand à la téloche, Raoulx t'a répondu, al-jezzera en boucle de toute façon je ne pense pas que l'on puisse aprendre une langue avec la TV
Salut,
Sur les réponsezs que t' eu je pense pas que cela ai répondus à ta question, pour ce genre de recherche il te faut trouver une agence qui fasse du sur mesure, mais bien sur c'est plus cher que "Fram" ou autre, tu a un lien sur désert aventures en bas page et ça semble être en mesure de te trouver ce que tu cherche.
A+
franck
Ah oui ?
Sur ma belle famille immédiate, soit 72 personnes, 61 personnes si on ne garde que ceux qui vivent au Maroc, il y en a exactement 8 qui sont capables d'avoir une conversation en français, et sur ces 8 seulement 5 qui en sont capable sans trop de difficultés. Dans les trois qui peinent à tous les coins de phrase, il y a un prof de lycée. Dans ceux qui en sont incapables, il y a trois bacheliers, dont deux diplômés dans une grande ville.
C'est clair qu'ils ne sont pas représentatifs de la bourgeoisie des villes, mais assez représentatifs de la population "marocaine moyenne", et surtout dans le sud.
Au Maroc, on peut trouver partout des gens qui parlent français, plus ou moins bien. Ce qui est très différent de dire "on parle français".
Nous avons déjà eu des chauffeurs qui étaient incapables de s'exprimer avec les clients, et qui pourtant font leur boulot de chauffeur très bien. Donc la question n'est pas idiote, je crois.
Sur ma belle famille immédiate, soit 72 personnes, 61 personnes si on ne garde que ceux qui vivent au Maroc, il y en a exactement 8 qui sont capables d'avoir une conversation en français, et sur ces 8 seulement 5 qui en sont capable sans trop de difficultés. Dans les trois qui peinent à tous les coins de phrase, il y a un prof de lycée. Dans ceux qui en sont incapables, il y a trois bacheliers, dont deux diplômés dans une grande ville.
C'est clair qu'ils ne sont pas représentatifs de la bourgeoisie des villes, mais assez représentatifs de la population "marocaine moyenne", et surtout dans le sud.
Au Maroc, on peut trouver partout des gens qui parlent français, plus ou moins bien. Ce qui est très différent de dire "on parle français".
Nous avons déjà eu des chauffeurs qui étaient incapables de s'exprimer avec les clients, et qui pourtant font leur boulot de chauffeur très bien. Donc la question n'est pas idiote, je crois.
Des infos pour vivre et travailler au Maroc : http://o-maroc.com
je n'ai jamais affirmé qu'ils maitrisaient totalement le francais et ce qui n'est pas le cas aussi en france surtout en banlieue.
Pour ton exemple, essaie de le representer 20ans avant tu verrais qu'il y avait encore moins de personne qui le "parlait"
Et pour ce qui est de al djazira elle n'est que recente par rapport aux chaines francaises diffusé sur le sattelite
Cela est vrai par contre qu'il y a une arabisation plus marqué ces dernieres années
Pour pouvoir dire qu'il y a regression, il faudrait qu'il y a une diminution de personnes "parlant" le francais par rapport a avant.
Et lorsque'on regarde les "vieux" marocains, il me semble qu'il y a encore moins de personne qui parlaient "francais"
Pour ton exemple, essaie de le representer 20ans avant tu verrais qu'il y avait encore moins de personne qui le "parlait"
Et pour ce qui est de al djazira elle n'est que recente par rapport aux chaines francaises diffusé sur le sattelite
Cela est vrai par contre qu'il y a une arabisation plus marqué ces dernieres années
Pour pouvoir dire qu'il y a regression, il faudrait qu'il y a une diminution de personnes "parlant" le francais par rapport a avant.
Et lorsque'on regarde les "vieux" marocains, il me semble qu'il y a encore moins de personne qui parlaient "francais"
Pour ton exemple, essaie de le representer 20ans avant tu verrais qu'il y avait encore moins de personne qui le "parlait"
il y avait moins de personnes scolarisés à l'époque, oui, mais arrivés au bac ils parlaient parfaitement le français et avaient un très bon niveau scolaire, je parles du publique marocain . se W-end l'économiste parlait de l'éducation nationale, ça fait peur, vraiment
il y avait moins de personnes scolarisés à l'époque, oui, mais arrivés au bac ils parlaient parfaitement le français et avaient un très bon niveau scolaire, je parles du publique marocain . se W-end l'économiste parlait de l'éducation nationale, ça fait peur, vraiment
il y avait moins de personnes scolarisés à l'époque, oui, mais arrivés au bac ils parlaient parfaitement le français et avaient un très bon niveau scolaire, je parles du publique marocain . se W-end l'économiste parlait de l'éducation nationale, ça fait peur, vraiment
D'accord avec toi mais cela ne signifie pas qu'il y a regression du francais au maroc!
mais cela juste veut dire que l'arabe a pris sa place prépondérante au maroc comme langue nationale.
La part des personnes "parlant" le francais est beaucoup plus important maintenant qu'il y a 20ans
D'accord avec toi mais cela ne signifie pas qu'il y a regression du francais au maroc!
mais cela juste veut dire que l'arabe a pris sa place prépondérante au maroc comme langue nationale.
La part des personnes "parlant" le francais est beaucoup plus important maintenant qu'il y a 20ans
Je crains qu'une fois de plus, ta méconnaissance profonde du Maroc et du Maroc profond ne tégare!
La télé Francaise "au bled" ??? tu veux faire croire cela à qui ?? non !!! "Al Jazira" en boucle!
Et avant ta "regession" il y avait les chaines francaises dans le bled???? je pense plutot que tu confonds l'arabisation de la scolarité et recule du nombre de personnes "parlant" le francais
La télé Francaise "au bled" ??? tu veux faire croire cela à qui ?? non !!! "Al Jazira" en boucle!
Et avant ta "regession" il y avait les chaines francaises dans le bled???? je pense plutot que tu confonds l'arabisation de la scolarité et recule du nombre de personnes "parlant" le francais
mais cela juste veut dire que l'arabe a pris sa place prépondérante au maroc comme langue nationale.
le darija, oui, langue nationale et il y a le berbère mais l'arabe classique laisse moi rire . tu dis qu'il y a beaucoup plus de personnes parlant le français maintenant, je dirais plus que beaucoup bredouilles avec le français et l'arabe classique
le darija, oui, langue nationale et il y a le berbère mais l'arabe classique laisse moi rire . tu dis qu'il y a beaucoup plus de personnes parlant le français maintenant, je dirais plus que beaucoup bredouilles avec le français et l'arabe classique
c'est pour cela que j'ai ecrit "parle" entre guillemet
Pour pouvoir dire qu'il y a regression, il faudrait qu'il y a une diminution de personnes "parlant" le francais par rapport a avant.
Et lorsque'on regarde les "vieux" marocains, il me semble qu'il y a encore moins de personne qui parlaient "francais"
Il y a une grosse régression tout simplement parce que les gens qui parlent français le parlent bien moins bien qu'avant. Les résultats scolaires du Maroc sont catastrophiques, ils se classent tellement bas dans les comparaisons internationales que même le ministère de l'Education le reconnait.
Le Maroc parle tellement bien le français que l'examen de français est obligatoire pour les étudiants marocains souhaitant étudier en France, à la différence de beaucoup de pays d'Afrique francophone... et les résultats assez mauvais en moyenne.
Quant à ta comparaison entre les jeunes et les vieux, en tout cas "au bled" ce n'est pas le cas, les vieux quand ils parlent le français le parlent mieux que les jeunes. Et dans ma famille et celles que je côtoie au bled, entre 10 et 30 ans les jeunes sont incapables d'articuler autre chose que "bonjour, ca va", alors que les chibani, même avec difficulté, arrivent à échanger quelques mots.
Et lorsque'on regarde les "vieux" marocains, il me semble qu'il y a encore moins de personne qui parlaient "francais"
Il y a une grosse régression tout simplement parce que les gens qui parlent français le parlent bien moins bien qu'avant. Les résultats scolaires du Maroc sont catastrophiques, ils se classent tellement bas dans les comparaisons internationales que même le ministère de l'Education le reconnait.
Le Maroc parle tellement bien le français que l'examen de français est obligatoire pour les étudiants marocains souhaitant étudier en France, à la différence de beaucoup de pays d'Afrique francophone... et les résultats assez mauvais en moyenne.
Quant à ta comparaison entre les jeunes et les vieux, en tout cas "au bled" ce n'est pas le cas, les vieux quand ils parlent le français le parlent mieux que les jeunes. Et dans ma famille et celles que je côtoie au bled, entre 10 et 30 ans les jeunes sont incapables d'articuler autre chose que "bonjour, ca va", alors que les chibani, même avec difficulté, arrivent à échanger quelques mots.
Des infos pour vivre et travailler au Maroc : http://o-maroc.com
pas de problem, tou le mond parl francais au maroc mnt, et peu etre dan les grand vills les gens parl que francais partou des les café et bank et magasin parcequ'il y a un grand melange des deux civilisation mnt grace au francais resident au maroc, et les marocain apprend tres vite les langue ca je te le confirme, moi je parl 4 langue mai pa a 100% peu etre que je maitrise bien l'anglais plus que le francais car mnt c'est la langue universell .
dsl pour l'hortographe
a bientot ....
dsl pour l'hortographe
a bientot ....
merci pour ta merveuilleuse demonstation qui "montre" une diminution de personnes "parlant" le francais 😏
? Je ne comprends pas. Peut être ta façon de parler le français n'est pas la même que la mienne ?
Des infos pour vivre et travailler au Maroc : http://o-maroc.com
il me semble fort que nous avons pas le meme francais!
peut-etre veux tu une traduction de ma simple phrase precedente
peut-etre veux tu une traduction de ma simple phrase precedente
* ****La part des personnes "parlant" le francais est beaucoup plus important maintenant qu'il y a 20ans ****
une fois de plus ! ceci est absolument faux ! la diminution est flagrante ! la génération des 40 ans ne le parle plus ! lagénération des "chibanis" qui parlait bien disparait ! et ne parlons pas des jeunes du "bled" qui font un peu de présence inutile dans des salles de classe.
une fois de plus ! ceci est absolument faux ! la diminution est flagrante ! la génération des 40 ans ne le parle plus ! lagénération des "chibanis" qui parlait bien disparait ! et ne parlons pas des jeunes du "bled" qui font un peu de présence inutile dans des salles de classe.
la diminution est flagrante !
la génération des 40 ans ne le parle plus !
lagénération des "chibanis" qui parlait bien disparait !
et ne parlons pas des jeunes du "bled" qui font un peu de présence inutile dans des salles de classe.
une fois de plus ! ceci est absolument faux !
une fois de plus ! ceci est absolument faux !
bonsoir.
ce que dit RAOULX est plus vraide ce que tu avnces parce qu'il parle tout simplement en connaissance de faits et de réalité.je suis bien placé pour donner ce jugement.
je suis enseignant.
pour les télés, hormis les quelques nanti de ce pays qui s'interessent à l'actualité de la france( parce qu'ils ont la double natonalité) la majorité est arabophone.
ce que dit RAOULX est plus vraide ce que tu avnces parce qu'il parle tout simplement en connaissance de faits et de réalité.je suis bien placé pour donner ce jugement.
je suis enseignant.
pour les télés, hormis les quelques nanti de ce pays qui s'interessent à l'actualité de la france( parce qu'ils ont la double natonalité) la majorité est arabophone.
bonjour, et bonjour à tous ceux qui ont débattu ici sur la francophonie, mais je suis un peu morte de rire en lisant les différentes analyses, exprimées dans un français douteux !!!! pardonnez moi, mais vous en oubliez le sujet;.
A vous donc, qui cherchez un guide francophone, je peux vous donner un numéro de téléphonne sur place ; il s'agit de mon beau frère, assistant touristique, il peut peut-être vous aider, et vous donner un ordre de prix, vous indiquer la marche à suivre ou les personnes à contacter. Je ne fais pas de pub pour ma paroisse, je suis française, et je me contente de donner quelques tuyaux au passage ; sur la prestation, il sera préférable de s'adresser à la personne en direct. A plus tard, je reste à votre disposition. mchristine
A vous donc, qui cherchez un guide francophone, je peux vous donner un numéro de téléphonne sur place ; il s'agit de mon beau frère, assistant touristique, il peut peut-être vous aider, et vous donner un ordre de prix, vous indiquer la marche à suivre ou les personnes à contacter. Je ne fais pas de pub pour ma paroisse, je suis française, et je me contente de donner quelques tuyaux au passage ; sur la prestation, il sera préférable de s'adresser à la personne en direct. A plus tard, je reste à votre disposition. mchristine
j'ai trop rigolé!Ha!ha!ha! D'abord avez-vous déjà entendu un marocain partant en vacances en Europe demander un guide arabophone pour le pays qu'il voulait visiter?! Ce n'est pas une régression pour le pays si l"enseignement est en arabe c"est la langue du pays. Il y a peut-ê^tre regression de la langue francaise .J'ai pu remarquer a travers les reportages que j'ai pu voir que les pays colonises veulent revenir a l'enseignement de leur propre langue .Meme en france on veut réenseigner la langue de la région.Il n'y a qu'à venir en france et entendre parler le français en tendant bien l'oreille et vous entendrez comme le francais et mal parlé par des francais.Je vous vois venir je ne parle pas des immigres.Une etude vient d'etre faite disant que les francais parlaient mieux le francais ils avaient un vocabulaire plus riche grace a la television et par les journalistes qui s'expriment en tres bons francais.J'aimerais savoir parler l'arabe ou le berbère aussi bien qu'ils savent parler le francais je me sentirais tres forte .
ciao merci
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Hi there, a group of girlfriends and I are heading to Tunisia. We’d love to know how much cash we should bring for 6 days, considering everything’s already paid for at the hotel. Thanks for your tips!
Hi everyone! :)
I’m finalizing the loop I’d like to do in May over 13 days, starting and ending in Essaouira.
We’re planning to rent a vehicle and are pretty active—we’re not really into crowds (that’s why I’ve decided to skip Marrakech).
Here’s my proposed itinerary:
Trip Proposal Summary: From May 13 (morning arrival) to May 26 (morning departure) Arrival and departure: Essaouira Day 1 (May 13): Arrival in Essaouira – Settling in / Exploring / Rest Day 2 (May 14): Essaouira – Water activities Day 3 (May 15): Essaouira to Tafraoute (~5h30) – route via Agadir – arrival and first exploration; Question: Is a detour to Taroudant worth considering? Day 4 (May 16): Tafraoute – Hike in the granite rocks – wild bivouac Day 5 (May 17): Tafraoute – Aït Mansour gorges – oasis – night in a hostel Day 6 (May 18): Tafraoute → Foum Zguid (~5h) – transition route – simple overnight or bivouac Day 7 (May 19): Foum Zguid → Zagora (~3h) – Draa Valley – desert prep Day 8 (May 20): Zagora → M'Hamid El Ghizlane → Erg Chigaga – departure with 4x4 guide – entering the dunes – bivouac Day 9 (May 21): Erg Chigaga – full desert day – walking, exploring – bivouac Day 10 (May 22): Desert → Ouarzazate (~5–6h) – leaving the desert – rest Day 11 (May 23): Aït Benhaddou – early visit – short hike – overnight stay Day 12 (May 24): Aït Benhaddou → Telouet – route toward the Atlas – start of trek – bivouac Day 13 (May 25): Atlas → Essaouira (~5–6h) – end of trek – return to Essaouira (overnight) Day 14 (May 26): Essaouira – free time + return flight
What do you think?
I aimed for an excursion to the Chigaga desert from M’Hamid because it seems less touristy and allows for a more compact loop. Is that a good idea? Is the drive to M’Hamid maybe too tedious?
Open to your great tips if there’s room for optimization!
All ears! :)
Thanks in advance and have a great day!
Clément
I’m finalizing the loop I’d like to do in May over 13 days, starting and ending in Essaouira.
We’re planning to rent a vehicle and are pretty active—we’re not really into crowds (that’s why I’ve decided to skip Marrakech).
Here’s my proposed itinerary:
Trip Proposal Summary: From May 13 (morning arrival) to May 26 (morning departure) Arrival and departure: Essaouira Day 1 (May 13): Arrival in Essaouira – Settling in / Exploring / Rest Day 2 (May 14): Essaouira – Water activities Day 3 (May 15): Essaouira to Tafraoute (~5h30) – route via Agadir – arrival and first exploration; Question: Is a detour to Taroudant worth considering? Day 4 (May 16): Tafraoute – Hike in the granite rocks – wild bivouac Day 5 (May 17): Tafraoute – Aït Mansour gorges – oasis – night in a hostel Day 6 (May 18): Tafraoute → Foum Zguid (~5h) – transition route – simple overnight or bivouac Day 7 (May 19): Foum Zguid → Zagora (~3h) – Draa Valley – desert prep Day 8 (May 20): Zagora → M'Hamid El Ghizlane → Erg Chigaga – departure with 4x4 guide – entering the dunes – bivouac Day 9 (May 21): Erg Chigaga – full desert day – walking, exploring – bivouac Day 10 (May 22): Desert → Ouarzazate (~5–6h) – leaving the desert – rest Day 11 (May 23): Aït Benhaddou – early visit – short hike – overnight stay Day 12 (May 24): Aït Benhaddou → Telouet – route toward the Atlas – start of trek – bivouac Day 13 (May 25): Atlas → Essaouira (~5–6h) – end of trek – return to Essaouira (overnight) Day 14 (May 26): Essaouira – free time + return flight
What do you think?
I aimed for an excursion to the Chigaga desert from M’Hamid because it seems less touristy and allows for a more compact loop. Is that a good idea? Is the drive to M’Hamid maybe too tedious?
Open to your great tips if there’s room for optimization!
All ears! :)
Thanks in advance and have a great day!
Clément
A lot of people find it important to stick to their budget when traveling—not to skimp, but to visit as many places as possible since traveling is their hobby.
In this post, I want to share some tips for those coming to Morocco who want their trip to be budget-friendly.
1. Prebook everything: hotels or riads, car rentals, or tours. If you book these in advance, it’ll make your life easier. You won’t have to deal with hagglers or people trying to overcharge you for services that are available online for free. Use platforms like Booking, Expedia, carsrental.ma, Airbnb, and other booking services to get this done properly.
2. Exchange your money to Moroccan dirhams as soon as you land. 1 € is always a little over 10 dirhams, but many people get charged as if it were exactly 10 dirhams per euro.
3. When visiting an old site or the old medina, avoid talking to vendors and shop owners—they’re really good at getting your attention and making you overpay for things.
4. Ask your tour guide to buy things for you. Yes, they do get a commission, but you’ll probably pay way more if you buy something yourself that they can get cheaply.
5. Walk everywhere. You don’t need a taxi for every little trip. Pick a good location and walk—most Moroccan cities are safe during normal hours.
6. Buy your food, drinks, etc., from supermarkets at normal prices. They can’t overcharge you since they scan every product.
I think that’s it for now.
Take care
In this post, I want to share some tips for those coming to Morocco who want their trip to be budget-friendly.
1. Prebook everything: hotels or riads, car rentals, or tours. If you book these in advance, it’ll make your life easier. You won’t have to deal with hagglers or people trying to overcharge you for services that are available online for free. Use platforms like Booking, Expedia, carsrental.ma, Airbnb, and other booking services to get this done properly.
2. Exchange your money to Moroccan dirhams as soon as you land. 1 € is always a little over 10 dirhams, but many people get charged as if it were exactly 10 dirhams per euro.
3. When visiting an old site or the old medina, avoid talking to vendors and shop owners—they’re really good at getting your attention and making you overpay for things.
4. Ask your tour guide to buy things for you. Yes, they do get a commission, but you’ll probably pay way more if you buy something yourself that they can get cheaply.
5. Walk everywhere. You don’t need a taxi for every little trip. Pick a good location and walk—most Moroccan cities are safe during normal hours.
6. Buy your food, drinks, etc., from supermarkets at normal prices. They can’t overcharge you since they scan every product.
I think that’s it for now.
Take care
Hi everyone! 😊
We’re traveling as a family to Marrakech from April 19 to 24, and there’ll be 15 of us (all ages), staying in the Targa neighborhood (El Idrissi Street).
I’d love your advice on a few things! 🙏
🚗 Vehicle rental
We’re thinking of renting 3 cars. We’ve seen really low prices online, but often without insurance.
👉 Do you have any reliable contacts or personal experiences to share?
👉 Would you recommend getting specific “tourist” insurance?
🏛️ Visits – Bahia Palace & Saadian Tombs
We’d like to visit the Bahia Palace and the Saadian Tombs, but:
We can’t find single tickets online We only see guided tours with fixed times (like 9:30 AM / 4-hour tours)
👉 Do you know if it’s possible to book without a guide? 👉 Or do we have to buy tickets on-site? (We’re a little worried about crowds and lines, especially with older folks in the group.) 🍽️ Restaurants / meals We’ve spotted the Grand Bazaar Marrakech for a meal. 👉 Any thoughts? 👉 Could you recommend other restaurants in the same budget? (We’re a big group, so it needs to stay reasonable.) For lunch/snacks, we’ve seen:
Snack Toubkal Goûter Saveur
👉 If anyone’s been, I’d love your feedback! 😊 🛒 Practical info – Targa neighborhood We’ll be in Targa (El Idrissi Street). 👉 Are there shops nearby for quick groceries (breakfast, water, etc.)?
If you’ve got any great tips, contacts, or little tricks, I’d love to hear them! 😍 Thanks so much for your help! 💖
We can’t find single tickets online We only see guided tours with fixed times (like 9:30 AM / 4-hour tours)
👉 Do you know if it’s possible to book without a guide? 👉 Or do we have to buy tickets on-site? (We’re a little worried about crowds and lines, especially with older folks in the group.) 🍽️ Restaurants / meals We’ve spotted the Grand Bazaar Marrakech for a meal. 👉 Any thoughts? 👉 Could you recommend other restaurants in the same budget? (We’re a big group, so it needs to stay reasonable.) For lunch/snacks, we’ve seen:
Snack Toubkal Goûter Saveur
👉 If anyone’s been, I’d love your feedback! 😊 🛒 Practical info – Targa neighborhood We’ll be in Targa (El Idrissi Street). 👉 Are there shops nearby for quick groceries (breakfast, water, etc.)?
If you’ve got any great tips, contacts, or little tricks, I’d love to hear them! 😍 Thanks so much for your help! 💖
As-salamu alaykum!
We’re heading to Morocco as a family from April 22 to May 8. It’s a bit short to explore such a beautiful and vast country, but school and work commitments, you know how it is... My partner is a musician and absolutely loves Gnawa music. Unfortunately, we won’t have time to visit Essaouira, as we’re heading south toward the Valley of the Roses...
Do you know of any places around Marrakech, Ouarzazate, or Kelaat M’Gouna where we might have the chance to meet Gnawa musicians? We’ll also be staying a few days in Aït Benhaddou and Skoura during our trip toward the Dadès Valley. If you have any good spots to buy a guembri along the way, I’d love to hear about them too! :)
Thanks in advance for your tips!
Mathieu
We’re heading to Morocco as a family from April 22 to May 8. It’s a bit short to explore such a beautiful and vast country, but school and work commitments, you know how it is... My partner is a musician and absolutely loves Gnawa music. Unfortunately, we won’t have time to visit Essaouira, as we’re heading south toward the Valley of the Roses...
Do you know of any places around Marrakech, Ouarzazate, or Kelaat M’Gouna where we might have the chance to meet Gnawa musicians? We’ll also be staying a few days in Aït Benhaddou and Skoura during our trip toward the Dadès Valley. If you have any good spots to buy a guembri along the way, I’d love to hear about them too! :)
Thanks in advance for your tips!
Mathieu
Mid-May: arriving alone (so, a "petit taxi"?) at Marrakech airport around 4:30 PM,
is it advisable to take a taxi at the airport (cost?) or is it wiser to book one through the hotel before departure (which would cost me 20 €)?
I think I’ve seen lower fares elsewhere (12 €?).
Destination: Riad Sijane near Djemaa El Fna square. Thanks!
hi there
we’re heading to Hammamet in a few months
what would you recommend visiting for a week?
best regards
Hi there,
I’m leaving for Tunisia in five weeks for a full 15-day trip. I’ll be arriving in Monastir and departing from there as well.
I’d like to do a route that’s a bit different from my first stay, which was more focused on cities and culture (Tunis, Sousse, Kairouan, El Jem).
I’ll be getting around by public transport.
I’d like to head south toward Tozeur, and I saw that you can take a *louage* from Monastir to Sbeitla (2h30). I imagine it’s not too complicated to get to Tozeur from there afterward? The issue is the return trip to Monastir and safety in Sbeitla.
If this route seems too complicated, I might opt for Djerba instead, which looks simpler.
Thanks in advance.
I’m leaving for Tunisia in five weeks for a full 15-day trip. I’ll be arriving in Monastir and departing from there as well.
I’d like to do a route that’s a bit different from my first stay, which was more focused on cities and culture (Tunis, Sousse, Kairouan, El Jem).
I’ll be getting around by public transport.
I’d like to head south toward Tozeur, and I saw that you can take a *louage* from Monastir to Sbeitla (2h30). I imagine it’s not too complicated to get to Tozeur from there afterward? The issue is the return trip to Monastir and safety in Sbeitla.
If this route seems too complicated, I might opt for Djerba instead, which looks simpler.
Thanks in advance.
Hi there,
I’m planning my next trip outside Europe for next year, but unfortunately, I don’t have a choice with the dates—it’s late June to early July. Last year, I went to Japan for three weeks, and it was constantly 36-37°C with over 90% humidity. It wasn’t easy, but it wasn’t impossible either.
For Egypt, I know it’s a period to avoid if possible, but I’m thinking that by the sea, it might be manageable. Otherwise, I’ll consider another destination.
Day 1: Arrival in Hurghada in the evening Day 2, 3, 4: Hurghada Day 5: Hurghada, then drive to Luxor in the early afternoon Day 6: Luxor Day 7: Luxor, then drive back to Hurghada in the late afternoon Day 8, 9, 10, 11: Hurghada Day 12: Return flight
For the Hurghada trip, either rent a car or—easier—a private car/van. Is it worth adding an extra day in Luxor?
During the stay, we’re planning activities like camel rides, quad biking, jeep tours, snorkeling, and jet skiing.
Thanks for your replies
I’m planning my next trip outside Europe for next year, but unfortunately, I don’t have a choice with the dates—it’s late June to early July. Last year, I went to Japan for three weeks, and it was constantly 36-37°C with over 90% humidity. It wasn’t easy, but it wasn’t impossible either.
For Egypt, I know it’s a period to avoid if possible, but I’m thinking that by the sea, it might be manageable. Otherwise, I’ll consider another destination.
Day 1: Arrival in Hurghada in the evening Day 2, 3, 4: Hurghada Day 5: Hurghada, then drive to Luxor in the early afternoon Day 6: Luxor Day 7: Luxor, then drive back to Hurghada in the late afternoon Day 8, 9, 10, 11: Hurghada Day 12: Return flight
For the Hurghada trip, either rent a car or—easier—a private car/van. Is it worth adding an extra day in Luxor?
During the stay, we’re planning activities like camel rides, quad biking, jeep tours, snorkeling, and jet skiing.
Thanks for your replies
Hi there,
We’re planning a trip to Morocco in September-October in our Fiat camper van, which isn’t a 4x4 but has already handled quite a bit of rough travel. While reading up on southern Morocco, we’ve been drawn to the Aguinane oasis but I’m having trouble locating it on the map. Is it possible to get there without a 4x4?
Thanks for your help
Bonjour,
Connaissez vous l'adresse d'une distillerie de fleurs de roses ds la vallée des roses / kelaa M Gouna. Une distillerie traditionnelle, pas uniquement la boutique à touristes.
Merci bp
Nicolas :-)
Connaissez vous l'adresse d'une distillerie de fleurs de roses ds la vallée des roses / kelaa M Gouna. Une distillerie traditionnelle, pas uniquement la boutique à touristes.
Merci bp
Nicolas :-)
Hi there,
Can anyone tell me if it's possible to travel from the Dades Gorges (Msemrir) to the Todra Gorges (Tamtatouche) on a paved road? Thanks in advance for any answers.
Hello,
We’d like to hire a French-speaking guide (agency, professional, or volunteer) to show us around Cairo over three days.
Trip planned for November 22, 23, and 24, 2026—four veteran French travelers.
We’re open to any leads, contact info, or suggestions.
Best regards,
Jacques
Hi there,
I have a layover in Algeria.
I won’t be leaving the airport.
The two tickets aren’t with the same airline.
Do I need a transit visa?
Thanks for any details and your help!
Hi there,
I live in Casablanca and my parents, who are 80, will be joining me in Marrakech at the beginning of May for a few days.
We’ll be renting a car to get around.
Do you have any suggestions for things to see or visit within a 2-3 hour drive max from Marrakech that aren’t too touristy?
My parents can walk a bit, but at 80, no climbing Mount Toubkal!
Thanks so much in advance for your ideas!
Hi everyone, just back from the 8-day Marrakech-Merzouga loop by car, and I’d love to share my feedback in case it helps some of you. Big thanks to all the forum members who kindly answered my questions!
Trip from Friday the 20th to Saturday the 28th, flying out of Marseille with Ryanair
- Landed late around 8 PM local time, exchanged some currency, and the rental agency (Magdaz Car, which I highly recommend) delivered the car straight to the airport with some great route tips (don’t blindly trust Maps.me). The night drive was a bit intense—lots of people out and about due to Ramadan. Stayed at Riad Midhou (really nice) on the outskirts of the city, which made it easy to hit the road the next morning.
- Day 1: Marrakech to Skoura. The drive was smooth, roads are great, but watch out for roundabout priority—it’s different from France. Beautiful route. Quick stop in Ouarzazate for lunch, Ait Benhaddou for the view (stunning), and the Fint Oasis (meh...). Spent the night at Taloute Ecolodge in Skoura, overlooking the palm grove (super cozy).
- Day 2: Skoura to Todgha Gorges via the Valley of Roses and Dades Gorges. Adventure-packed day! We crossed the Valley of Roses (pretty, but not as amazing as I’d hoped) and took a "shortcut" recommended by the *Routard* guide to reach the Dades Gorges without backtracking. After asking locals, they said, "It’s doable." Turns out it was a narrow, rocky cliffside track—no way to turn around! A stressful moment, with a nice scratch on the bumper and a good sweat. Fine in an SUV or 4x4, but not in a Logan... Then the Dades Gorges (nice) and a detour through the north to reach Todgha from above. Gorgeous mountain road and a quick stop on some snow patches—touching African snow! Spent the night at *Les Gorges de Todgha*—great place, except for the bathroom. The Todgha Gorges themselves are stunning!
Day 3: Todgha to Merzouga. Beautiful drive, and the view of the erg (sand dunes) on arrival is breathtaking! Totally worth the trip. Explored the desert and stayed at *Café du Sud* hotel just outside Merzouga—absolutely gorgeous.
Day 4: Merzouga. Desert exploration and chilling by the hotel pool (with a bonus sunburn). Lunch in Merzouga—I recommend *Dakar*—their lemon tajine was amazing. Spent the night in the hotel’s luxury camp, including a camel ride. The camp was beautiful, but I was disappointed we weren’t deeper in the desert given the price (100 € per person, including dinner, breakfast, and camel ride).
Day 5: Merzouga to Tamnougalt. Gorgeous route. First fine (a supposed stop sign...) but the officer was super nice—only 150 MAD. Stayed at *Kasbah Maktob*, right in the middle of ruins—really unique and beautiful!
Day 6: Tamnougalt to Marrakech. Another beautiful drive, and a second fine (minor speeding), same amount. Crossed a windy mountain pass during a big storm—traffic was blocked in the opposite direction (not sure why), causing massive jams for those coming from Marrakech. A few downed cables, but nothing serious. Arriving in Marrakech was tricky—hard to find the rental agency, and the traffic was intense (watch out for GPS trying to send you through the medina). Ask the rental company to meet you somewhere quiet. They didn’t even notice the damaged bumper... Stayed at *Riad Zifamo* in the heart of the medina. Big change of pace—so many people and so much hustle!
Day 7: Marrakech. Lots of wandering through the souk and a quick trip to Gueliz (not essential). A few tips for the medina: watch out for scooters weaving too fast, always negotiate prices (aim for at least 1/3 off what they ask, unless it’s a small amount), don’t buy spices—more expensive than in France! Head to the *Carrefour Market* in Gueliz for better prices. In the end, not many truly unique items—you’ll find more or less the same things everywhere.
Day 8: Early morning flight. We’d booked a car to the airport from the riad, but a taxi would’ve been fine—plenty available even at 7 AM. Security wasn’t an issue (we had lighters and liquids over 100 ml).
A few extra notes: Pleasantly surprised by the road quality—just a few potholes here and there, but overall very drivable. Watch out for the police—they’re everywhere! The car cost me 30 € per day (with the *Routard* discount) and about 90 € in gas. No safety concerns, no harassment, and no stomach issues, despite the ice in Marrakech. Breakfasts at the hotels were usually hearty—take advantage! The timing (end of February) was perfect—pleasant daytime temps and cool nights. Since it was Ramadan, nothing unusual to report, except it was hard to find food outside Marrakech at lunchtime. If I did it again, Merzouga is a must, but I’d spend a night in a real desert bivouac, deeper in the dunes. My stops (no more than 300 km a day) were well-paced, and with so few cars on the road, it wasn’t tiring—even though I’m not usually a fan of driving... Happy to answer any questions!
Trip from Friday the 20th to Saturday the 28th, flying out of Marseille with Ryanair
- Landed late around 8 PM local time, exchanged some currency, and the rental agency (Magdaz Car, which I highly recommend) delivered the car straight to the airport with some great route tips (don’t blindly trust Maps.me). The night drive was a bit intense—lots of people out and about due to Ramadan. Stayed at Riad Midhou (really nice) on the outskirts of the city, which made it easy to hit the road the next morning.
- Day 1: Marrakech to Skoura. The drive was smooth, roads are great, but watch out for roundabout priority—it’s different from France. Beautiful route. Quick stop in Ouarzazate for lunch, Ait Benhaddou for the view (stunning), and the Fint Oasis (meh...). Spent the night at Taloute Ecolodge in Skoura, overlooking the palm grove (super cozy).
- Day 2: Skoura to Todgha Gorges via the Valley of Roses and Dades Gorges. Adventure-packed day! We crossed the Valley of Roses (pretty, but not as amazing as I’d hoped) and took a "shortcut" recommended by the *Routard* guide to reach the Dades Gorges without backtracking. After asking locals, they said, "It’s doable." Turns out it was a narrow, rocky cliffside track—no way to turn around! A stressful moment, with a nice scratch on the bumper and a good sweat. Fine in an SUV or 4x4, but not in a Logan... Then the Dades Gorges (nice) and a detour through the north to reach Todgha from above. Gorgeous mountain road and a quick stop on some snow patches—touching African snow! Spent the night at *Les Gorges de Todgha*—great place, except for the bathroom. The Todgha Gorges themselves are stunning!
Day 3: Todgha to Merzouga. Beautiful drive, and the view of the erg (sand dunes) on arrival is breathtaking! Totally worth the trip. Explored the desert and stayed at *Café du Sud* hotel just outside Merzouga—absolutely gorgeous.
Day 4: Merzouga. Desert exploration and chilling by the hotel pool (with a bonus sunburn). Lunch in Merzouga—I recommend *Dakar*—their lemon tajine was amazing. Spent the night in the hotel’s luxury camp, including a camel ride. The camp was beautiful, but I was disappointed we weren’t deeper in the desert given the price (100 € per person, including dinner, breakfast, and camel ride).
Day 5: Merzouga to Tamnougalt. Gorgeous route. First fine (a supposed stop sign...) but the officer was super nice—only 150 MAD. Stayed at *Kasbah Maktob*, right in the middle of ruins—really unique and beautiful!
Day 6: Tamnougalt to Marrakech. Another beautiful drive, and a second fine (minor speeding), same amount. Crossed a windy mountain pass during a big storm—traffic was blocked in the opposite direction (not sure why), causing massive jams for those coming from Marrakech. A few downed cables, but nothing serious. Arriving in Marrakech was tricky—hard to find the rental agency, and the traffic was intense (watch out for GPS trying to send you through the medina). Ask the rental company to meet you somewhere quiet. They didn’t even notice the damaged bumper... Stayed at *Riad Zifamo* in the heart of the medina. Big change of pace—so many people and so much hustle!
Day 7: Marrakech. Lots of wandering through the souk and a quick trip to Gueliz (not essential). A few tips for the medina: watch out for scooters weaving too fast, always negotiate prices (aim for at least 1/3 off what they ask, unless it’s a small amount), don’t buy spices—more expensive than in France! Head to the *Carrefour Market* in Gueliz for better prices. In the end, not many truly unique items—you’ll find more or less the same things everywhere.
Day 8: Early morning flight. We’d booked a car to the airport from the riad, but a taxi would’ve been fine—plenty available even at 7 AM. Security wasn’t an issue (we had lighters and liquids over 100 ml).
A few extra notes: Pleasantly surprised by the road quality—just a few potholes here and there, but overall very drivable. Watch out for the police—they’re everywhere! The car cost me 30 € per day (with the *Routard* discount) and about 90 € in gas. No safety concerns, no harassment, and no stomach issues, despite the ice in Marrakech. Breakfasts at the hotels were usually hearty—take advantage! The timing (end of February) was perfect—pleasant daytime temps and cool nights. Since it was Ramadan, nothing unusual to report, except it was hard to find food outside Marrakech at lunchtime. If I did it again, Merzouga is a must, but I’d spend a night in a real desert bivouac, deeper in the dunes. My stops (no more than 300 km a day) were well-paced, and with so few cars on the road, it wasn’t tiring—even though I’m not usually a fan of driving... Happy to answer any questions!
Hi there,
I’m traveling solo to Egypt. Could you give me a rough idea of the budget for:
meals
hotels
taxis including tips
visits...
Just an estimate, of course.
For 15 days, what would the price range be, considering there’s an overnight train and a Nile cruise?
I’d like to compare with a travel agency. Is it more worthwhile to go through an agency despite the downsides of group travel?
Otherwise, if a travel buddy is interested in this country, why not?
Thanks a lot!
Merci aux membres de voyageforum qui nous ont fait part de leurs expériences! Nous avons passé 3 jours formidables à "La Kasbah la Palmeraie" à Skoura. Arrivant de Marrakech (superbe route en décrochant après le col de Tichka via Telouet, Ait-Benhaddou), le séjour à la Palmeraie n'a été que du bonheur: accueil chaleureux de Mohammed et Ghizlane, délicieux petits déjeuners sur la terrasse dominant la palmeraie, (pain cuit au four en terre, crêpes au miel préparées par Ghizlane), repas du soir non moins délicieux et copieux, en famille, autour d'un bon feu. Nous nous sentions comme "chez soi" et avons beaucoup appris sur le mode de vie de la région. Les balades proposées étaient toujours intéressantes et hors des circuits touristiques de masse. De là, le vallée et les Gorges du Dades , la vallée des Amandiers (superbe!), la palmeraie. Il y a des Kasbahs magnifiques dans la région dont celle de nos hôtes. Une autre façon de "visiter" le Maroc!