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Bonjour,
je cherche le wpt de:
oued Jenein
et
Aïn Somaa
en Tunisie (sud tunisien)
merci
jacques
jacques Fennec26
Cherche des points GPS pour la Tunisie
by Memepaspeur
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
je vas contacte les spécialiste pour ramener les points GPS demande. bienvenu chez nous
merci pour visite la Tunisie
informaticien de métier ........ mais cavalier par passion
@@ très important http://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=2586516;search_page=1
Il y à une carte vectorielle sur ce site :
http://www.t-cap.info/articles.php?lng=fr&pg=3473
Pour le grand sud, une autorisation de circuler est obligatoire et il faut être accompagné d'un guide......
Un voyage de 1000 lieues commence toujours par un pas !
(proverbe chinois)
vas demander la landmania.com
vaut mieux un grain de sable dans la chaussure que dans la capote (Mr COLUCHE
mondial 45 la on a gagnè (nous avions deux goals)
Merci pour la réponse,
Bien sur il faut un guide et autorisation, pas de problème pour moi (mon ami Salem est mon guide depuis 11 ans, on ne change pas une équipe qui gagne).
j'ai juste besoin des wpt par curiosité, je ne suis pas fan de cette zone là ( Tiaret Chouech, ..), je préfere largement les lacs plus au Nord de El Borma, a mon gout plus jolie et plus technique.
jacques
jacques Fennec26
Bonjour ,
Comme je pars régulièrement pour l'accompagnement des raids , voila je vous envoie les points Gps:
- Oued jenein : N 31° 59 20' Ouest 10° 02 62' - Ain somaa : N 31 28 39 Ouest 9° 29 91'
Par contre la source "ain somaa" elle est bouchée ( dans le coin il y'a juste celle d'avant dans la région d'echouech " ain el moura" ( Jaccuzi ) ).
cette partie là est soumise à une autorisation + militaire ( il y'a 2 zones " zone nord sans militaire ( nord el borma ) et zone sud ( sud el borma avec militaire ).
N'hésitez à me contacter pour autre info. suplémentaires
- Oued jenein : N 31° 59 20' Ouest 10° 02 62' - Ain somaa : N 31 28 39 Ouest 9° 29 91'
Par contre la source "ain somaa" elle est bouchée ( dans le coin il y'a juste celle d'avant dans la région d'echouech " ain el moura" ( Jaccuzi ) ).
cette partie là est soumise à une autorisation + militaire ( il y'a 2 zones " zone nord sans militaire ( nord el borma ) et zone sud ( sud el borma avec militaire ).
N'hésitez à me contacter pour autre info. suplémentaires
Salut !
Je sais pas si ça peut t'aider ...
Voici ce que j'ai trouvé :
http://gps.4x4travel.org/
C'est une map pour GPS qui date de 2008
A+
Je sais pas si ça peut t'aider ...
Voici ce que j'ai trouvé :
http://gps.4x4travel.org/
C'est une map pour GPS qui date de 2008
A+
Bonsoir HASSEN T,
merci beaucoup pour la réponse c'est exactement ce que j'attendais, c'est clair et précis, je regarde de suite sur Google earth.
a+
merci
jacques
jacques Fennec26
Bonjour ,
Suite à votre demande voilà le point Gps de la source " jaccuzi" 31° 15 458' N 09° 29 927 E
Bonne journée
Suite à votre demande voilà le point Gps de la source " jaccuzi" 31° 15 458' N 09° 29 927 E
Bonne journée
Le sud Tunisien est devenu pour nous, raiders, le royaume de l'arnaque!
Primo ton guide as t'il une carte de l'ontt?
Connais tu le montant de la location d'un 4x4 pour transporter l'escorte militaire? Moi oui c'est 2800 euros en gros pour neuf jours.
Toutes les agences acceptent de monter des dossiers pour aller à El Borma, c'est une arnaque!!! Personne ne rentre en venant du nord il faut arriver par l'erg, par Larich puis aïn Debech c'est super costaud!!! ou par Chouech ensuite tu prends du gas oil et tu dégages rapidos car tu es dans la zone d'exclusion touristique (30km) le long de la frontière Algérienne. En réalité c'est faux car l'accès à El Borma est une exception mais ils ne cherchent pas à comprendre tu te fais virer et l'agence à encaissé alors qu'elle sait bien quelle ne peut fournir cette prestation. J’ai parlé avec de chauffeurs d’agences que je connais depuis… très longtemps, ils ont ordre de leur patron de ne pas engager leurs véhicules dans l’erg, il faut encore … backchicher pour qu’il le fasse en douce. Dieu que ce pays à changé en deux ans !! Ou est passé la bonne humeur de nos bivouacs à Enchir ? avec ce brave Dahou Chaaafi à SP3 ? Avec les bidasses de M’chiguig venus nous faire une attaque surprise au fort de Cherchouf en plein réveillon ? Ma conclusion c'est que le sud Tunisien est tenu maintenant par des escrocs et des voyous c'est pour cela que la plupart des 4x4 (individuels) habitués de la zone vont ailleurs. Les marchands de sable, organisateurs de balades en troupeaux, se frottent les mains car ils sont les seuls avec leur cohorte de participants à pouvoir assumer les frais d’obtention des autorisation. J’ai des tonnes de waypoints, de traces sous OziExplorer je ne les donne plus car je considère que c’est aider l’arnaque. Pas un « guide » ne connaissait les 14 sources chaudes du sud, ils ont tout pompé sur internet. http://www.sahariens.info/sources-chaudes-en-tunisie-regrets-etou-remords Maintenant si tu connais bien le terrain et que tu sois assez gonflé si tu as besoin de tuyaux pour les faire tourner en bourique je suis ton homme. Adieu la Tunisie, après plus de trente ans d’amour fou.
Toutes les agences acceptent de monter des dossiers pour aller à El Borma, c'est une arnaque!!! Personne ne rentre en venant du nord il faut arriver par l'erg, par Larich puis aïn Debech c'est super costaud!!! ou par Chouech ensuite tu prends du gas oil et tu dégages rapidos car tu es dans la zone d'exclusion touristique (30km) le long de la frontière Algérienne. En réalité c'est faux car l'accès à El Borma est une exception mais ils ne cherchent pas à comprendre tu te fais virer et l'agence à encaissé alors qu'elle sait bien quelle ne peut fournir cette prestation. J’ai parlé avec de chauffeurs d’agences que je connais depuis… très longtemps, ils ont ordre de leur patron de ne pas engager leurs véhicules dans l’erg, il faut encore … backchicher pour qu’il le fasse en douce. Dieu que ce pays à changé en deux ans !! Ou est passé la bonne humeur de nos bivouacs à Enchir ? avec ce brave Dahou Chaaafi à SP3 ? Avec les bidasses de M’chiguig venus nous faire une attaque surprise au fort de Cherchouf en plein réveillon ? Ma conclusion c'est que le sud Tunisien est tenu maintenant par des escrocs et des voyous c'est pour cela que la plupart des 4x4 (individuels) habitués de la zone vont ailleurs. Les marchands de sable, organisateurs de balades en troupeaux, se frottent les mains car ils sont les seuls avec leur cohorte de participants à pouvoir assumer les frais d’obtention des autorisation. J’ai des tonnes de waypoints, de traces sous OziExplorer je ne les donne plus car je considère que c’est aider l’arnaque. Pas un « guide » ne connaissait les 14 sources chaudes du sud, ils ont tout pompé sur internet. http://www.sahariens.info/sources-chaudes-en-tunisie-regrets-etou-remords Maintenant si tu connais bien le terrain et que tu sois assez gonflé si tu as besoin de tuyaux pour les faire tourner en bourique je suis ton homme. Adieu la Tunisie, après plus de trente ans d’amour fou.
Jo
Bonsoir HT,
merci beaucoup décidement tu es d'une efficacité remarquable!!
j'ai bien repéré le Jaccuzi, il se voit trés bien sur G Earth, par contre tu confirme bien le le wpt de Aîn Somaa, je ne repére rien sur G Earth, ou alors c'est vraiment une petite source.
Merci beaucoup.
jacques
jacques Fennec26
J'ai constaté la même chose, makach à 31 28/9 29, y compris sur les IGN 200 000éme il n'y a rien au point indiqué. Maintenant c'est sur que je ne connais pas tout malgré plus de trente ans passé dans ce coin à découvrir une par une les positions des forages abandonnés par Elf en 1980 et qui étaient devenus de destinations merveilleuses.
Que les gens de chez Elf qui nous ont donné les premières photos satellite de spot image soient remerciés, ce fut un cadeau royal.
Aujourd'hui certains forages sont taris mais il restait de belle émotions au milieu de l'erg avant l'escroquerie.
Maintenant nos sources d'eau chaude s'appellent Hassi bel Ghebbour, Hassi Tabankort... dans un pays voisin ou le guide est certe obligatoire mais à un prix raisonnable et surtout le gas oil à 14 centimes d'euros. Depuis que la Tunisie ne nous veux plus dans son sud nous allons en Algérie, déjà 3 voyages en quelques mois, les gens y sont sympas ou dans le pire des cas indiférents et c'est trés bien comme ça. L'Algérie n'a pas changée pendant les quinze années ou nous n'avons pu y aller, Djanet/Tamanrasset reste un must pour le voyage en 4x4, donc pour les connaisseurs "rendez vous à Essendilène"
Je souhaite que ce grand pays retrouve la sérénité et les flux touristiques des année 80!
Maintenant nos sources d'eau chaude s'appellent Hassi bel Ghebbour, Hassi Tabankort... dans un pays voisin ou le guide est certe obligatoire mais à un prix raisonnable et surtout le gas oil à 14 centimes d'euros. Depuis que la Tunisie ne nous veux plus dans son sud nous allons en Algérie, déjà 3 voyages en quelques mois, les gens y sont sympas ou dans le pire des cas indiférents et c'est trés bien comme ça. L'Algérie n'a pas changée pendant les quinze années ou nous n'avons pu y aller, Djanet/Tamanrasset reste un must pour le voyage en 4x4, donc pour les connaisseurs "rendez vous à Essendilène"
Je souhaite que ce grand pays retrouve la sérénité et les flux touristiques des année 80!
Jo
Bonjour,
Borj Jenaïen N31 43.840 E10 08.827 (Caserne miltaire)
Ain Mourra N31 15.462 E9 29.923 (Jaccuzi)
Pour Aïn Somaa, je ne la connais pas.
Borj Jenaïen et Aïn Mourra se trouvent dans la zone militaire, autorisation obligatoire pour y accéder.
Cordialement.
Borj Jenaïen et Aïn Mourra se trouvent dans la zone militaire, autorisation obligatoire pour y accéder.
Cordialement.
Mehdi SELLAMI
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Clément
A lot of people find it important to stick to their budget when traveling—not to skimp, but to visit as many places as possible since traveling is their hobby.
In this post, I want to share some tips for those coming to Morocco who want their trip to be budget-friendly.
1. Prebook everything: hotels or riads, car rentals, or tours. If you book these in advance, it’ll make your life easier. You won’t have to deal with hagglers or people trying to overcharge you for services that are available online for free. Use platforms like Booking, Expedia, carsrental.ma, Airbnb, and other booking services to get this done properly.
2. Exchange your money to Moroccan dirhams as soon as you land. 1 € is always a little over 10 dirhams, but many people get charged as if it were exactly 10 dirhams per euro.
3. When visiting an old site or the old medina, avoid talking to vendors and shop owners—they’re really good at getting your attention and making you overpay for things.
4. Ask your tour guide to buy things for you. Yes, they do get a commission, but you’ll probably pay way more if you buy something yourself that they can get cheaply.
5. Walk everywhere. You don’t need a taxi for every little trip. Pick a good location and walk—most Moroccan cities are safe during normal hours.
6. Buy your food, drinks, etc., from supermarkets at normal prices. They can’t overcharge you since they scan every product.
I think that’s it for now.
Take care
In this post, I want to share some tips for those coming to Morocco who want their trip to be budget-friendly.
1. Prebook everything: hotels or riads, car rentals, or tours. If you book these in advance, it’ll make your life easier. You won’t have to deal with hagglers or people trying to overcharge you for services that are available online for free. Use platforms like Booking, Expedia, carsrental.ma, Airbnb, and other booking services to get this done properly.
2. Exchange your money to Moroccan dirhams as soon as you land. 1 € is always a little over 10 dirhams, but many people get charged as if it were exactly 10 dirhams per euro.
3. When visiting an old site or the old medina, avoid talking to vendors and shop owners—they’re really good at getting your attention and making you overpay for things.
4. Ask your tour guide to buy things for you. Yes, they do get a commission, but you’ll probably pay way more if you buy something yourself that they can get cheaply.
5. Walk everywhere. You don’t need a taxi for every little trip. Pick a good location and walk—most Moroccan cities are safe during normal hours.
6. Buy your food, drinks, etc., from supermarkets at normal prices. They can’t overcharge you since they scan every product.
I think that’s it for now.
Take care
Hi everyone! 😊
We’re traveling as a family to Marrakech from April 19 to 24, and there’ll be 15 of us (all ages), staying in the Targa neighborhood (El Idrissi Street).
I’d love your advice on a few things! 🙏
🚗 Vehicle rental
We’re thinking of renting 3 cars. We’ve seen really low prices online, but often without insurance.
👉 Do you have any reliable contacts or personal experiences to share?
👉 Would you recommend getting specific “tourist” insurance?
🏛️ Visits – Bahia Palace & Saadian Tombs
We’d like to visit the Bahia Palace and the Saadian Tombs, but:
We can’t find single tickets online We only see guided tours with fixed times (like 9:30 AM / 4-hour tours)
👉 Do you know if it’s possible to book without a guide? 👉 Or do we have to buy tickets on-site? (We’re a little worried about crowds and lines, especially with older folks in the group.) 🍽️ Restaurants / meals We’ve spotted the Grand Bazaar Marrakech for a meal. 👉 Any thoughts? 👉 Could you recommend other restaurants in the same budget? (We’re a big group, so it needs to stay reasonable.) For lunch/snacks, we’ve seen:
Snack Toubkal Goûter Saveur
👉 If anyone’s been, I’d love your feedback! 😊 🛒 Practical info – Targa neighborhood We’ll be in Targa (El Idrissi Street). 👉 Are there shops nearby for quick groceries (breakfast, water, etc.)?
If you’ve got any great tips, contacts, or little tricks, I’d love to hear them! 😍 Thanks so much for your help! 💖
We can’t find single tickets online We only see guided tours with fixed times (like 9:30 AM / 4-hour tours)
👉 Do you know if it’s possible to book without a guide? 👉 Or do we have to buy tickets on-site? (We’re a little worried about crowds and lines, especially with older folks in the group.) 🍽️ Restaurants / meals We’ve spotted the Grand Bazaar Marrakech for a meal. 👉 Any thoughts? 👉 Could you recommend other restaurants in the same budget? (We’re a big group, so it needs to stay reasonable.) For lunch/snacks, we’ve seen:
Snack Toubkal Goûter Saveur
👉 If anyone’s been, I’d love your feedback! 😊 🛒 Practical info – Targa neighborhood We’ll be in Targa (El Idrissi Street). 👉 Are there shops nearby for quick groceries (breakfast, water, etc.)?
If you’ve got any great tips, contacts, or little tricks, I’d love to hear them! 😍 Thanks so much for your help! 💖
As-salamu alaykum!
We’re heading to Morocco as a family from April 22 to May 8. It’s a bit short to explore such a beautiful and vast country, but school and work commitments, you know how it is... My partner is a musician and absolutely loves Gnawa music. Unfortunately, we won’t have time to visit Essaouira, as we’re heading south toward the Valley of the Roses...
Do you know of any places around Marrakech, Ouarzazate, or Kelaat M’Gouna where we might have the chance to meet Gnawa musicians? We’ll also be staying a few days in Aït Benhaddou and Skoura during our trip toward the Dadès Valley. If you have any good spots to buy a guembri along the way, I’d love to hear about them too! :)
Thanks in advance for your tips!
Mathieu
We’re heading to Morocco as a family from April 22 to May 8. It’s a bit short to explore such a beautiful and vast country, but school and work commitments, you know how it is... My partner is a musician and absolutely loves Gnawa music. Unfortunately, we won’t have time to visit Essaouira, as we’re heading south toward the Valley of the Roses...
Do you know of any places around Marrakech, Ouarzazate, or Kelaat M’Gouna where we might have the chance to meet Gnawa musicians? We’ll also be staying a few days in Aït Benhaddou and Skoura during our trip toward the Dadès Valley. If you have any good spots to buy a guembri along the way, I’d love to hear about them too! :)
Thanks in advance for your tips!
Mathieu
Mid-May: arriving alone (so, a "petit taxi"?) at Marrakech airport around 4:30 PM,
is it advisable to take a taxi at the airport (cost?) or is it wiser to book one through the hotel before departure (which would cost me 20 €)?
I think I’ve seen lower fares elsewhere (12 €?).
Destination: Riad Sijane near Djemaa El Fna square. Thanks!
hi there
we’re heading to Hammamet in a few months
what would you recommend visiting for a week?
best regards
Hi there,
I’m planning my next trip outside Europe for next year, but unfortunately, I don’t have a choice with the dates—it’s late June to early July. Last year, I went to Japan for three weeks, and it was constantly 36-37°C with over 90% humidity. It wasn’t easy, but it wasn’t impossible either.
For Egypt, I know it’s a period to avoid if possible, but I’m thinking that by the sea, it might be manageable. Otherwise, I’ll consider another destination.
Day 1: Arrival in Hurghada in the evening Day 2, 3, 4: Hurghada Day 5: Hurghada, then drive to Luxor in the early afternoon Day 6: Luxor Day 7: Luxor, then drive back to Hurghada in the late afternoon Day 8, 9, 10, 11: Hurghada Day 12: Return flight
For the Hurghada trip, either rent a car or—easier—a private car/van. Is it worth adding an extra day in Luxor?
During the stay, we’re planning activities like camel rides, quad biking, jeep tours, snorkeling, and jet skiing.
Thanks for your replies
I’m planning my next trip outside Europe for next year, but unfortunately, I don’t have a choice with the dates—it’s late June to early July. Last year, I went to Japan for three weeks, and it was constantly 36-37°C with over 90% humidity. It wasn’t easy, but it wasn’t impossible either.
For Egypt, I know it’s a period to avoid if possible, but I’m thinking that by the sea, it might be manageable. Otherwise, I’ll consider another destination.
Day 1: Arrival in Hurghada in the evening Day 2, 3, 4: Hurghada Day 5: Hurghada, then drive to Luxor in the early afternoon Day 6: Luxor Day 7: Luxor, then drive back to Hurghada in the late afternoon Day 8, 9, 10, 11: Hurghada Day 12: Return flight
For the Hurghada trip, either rent a car or—easier—a private car/van. Is it worth adding an extra day in Luxor?
During the stay, we’re planning activities like camel rides, quad biking, jeep tours, snorkeling, and jet skiing.
Thanks for your replies
Hi there,
We’re planning a trip to Morocco in September-October in our Fiat camper van, which isn’t a 4x4 but has already handled quite a bit of rough travel. While reading up on southern Morocco, we’ve been drawn to the Aguinane oasis but I’m having trouble locating it on the map. Is it possible to get there without a 4x4?
Thanks for your help
Hi,
Does anyone know the address of a rose flower distillery in the Valley of Roses / Kelaa M'Gouna? A traditional distillery, not just the tourist shop.
Thanks a bunch!
Nicolas :-)
Does anyone know the address of a rose flower distillery in the Valley of Roses / Kelaa M'Gouna? A traditional distillery, not just the tourist shop.
Thanks a bunch!
Nicolas :-)