Tourist scams in poorer countries?
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In some countries, the price charged to tourists is often higher than the one for locals.

Is it legal for a restaurant, for example, to have a "price for locals" and a "price for foreigners"? Do they have the right to do that? (Because it really annoys me—you can’t imagine how much money I’ve lost to this scam.)

Aren’t there any local organizations that could call out this scam?

At the same time, since this kind of scam happens often in poorer countries, the money I lose ultimately goes to those countries, so it’s like I’m donating to a humanitarian organization. So in the end, it doesn’t bother me *that* much—when I get scammed, I just tell myself I’m doing a generous act to help the poor in that country.
CH Chrousseaud Globetrotter ·
Local price or tourist price in restaurants... Some do it in Paris
TH Thv2001be Globetrotter ·
Names, please!!!!

Local price or tourist price in restaurants...... Some do it in Paris
CH Chrousseaud Globetrotter ·
A restaurant on Île Saint-Louis was called out last year, with the court ruling (at their expense) published in the press. Even without going that far, tourists regularly complain about this kind of thing
FA Fayd Globetrotter ·
Some do it in Paris

Hi, Same on the Belgian coast. 😛
DN Dniorthe Veteran ·
hi there,

In Nepal, for example, domestic flight prices are 3 to 4 times cheaper for Nepalis than for tourists... but for *all* tourists. It’s not a scam—it’s just the "rules of the game" because it’s transparent. The same goes for museum or site admissions...

I remember that in Egypt (this was 15 years ago!), access to monuments was free for Egyptians and paid for tourists.

I don’t think these situations are scams.

On the other hand, there are always a few clever folks who take advantage of tourists by charging them more, but luckily, not everyone does that! The key is being able to let them know we’re not fooled!

dominique
BO Boumbastic Globetrotter ·
Well, it’s true that it’s annoying in the moment, but you’ve got to tell yourself it’s just a matter of the difference in purchasing power and cost of living. A local who only earns $300 a month couldn’t afford the same services and leisure activities in their own country as a tourist who earns 10 times more if it weren’t for this—admittedly unfair—adjustment. It’s understandable in that sense ;)
MA Mabintou Regular ·
Hi, I don’t think this is right. The last time was in Dakar, at the African fabric wholesaler. They added a certain amount to the price. Since I know the actual price, I didn’t understand. One of the salespeople, who was really arrogant, told me it was the "tourist price." On top of that, I didn’t even want to pay extra for the type of fabric we were looking for. I don’t consider myself to be doing humanitarian work, but I don’t appreciate being charged extra for these reasons.
FD FDB Globetrotter ·
I don’t think it’s a scam—I’ve seen this a lot. Plus, prices are usually displayed for both locals and non-locals. I’m not saying I love it, but it’s understandable since our purchasing power is nowhere near the same.
TA Tatta ·
hi,

it's true that it's annoying, but it's normal almost everywhere in the world. what you find in tourist spots is always more expensive than elsewhere. sometimes even for locals, life is pricier than in non-touristy cities or areas. 🏴‍☠️
BO Bogual Regular ·
It seems obvious to me that if French people travel to poorer countries, it's often because it costs them less than taking a vacation in France, where there aren’t many cheap, beautiful hotels with beaches and sunshine. But when we do the math at the end of the trip...

Tourist traps are everywhere. We have to admit we bring a lot of foreign currency to these countries, and that works for us too. But when it comes to scams, I don’t agree—even if some say there are scams in France, it’s still in these poorer countries that locals see prices skyrocket because of tourists, and they end up paying more themselves. So no, I don’t agree. If I go to a poor country, I pay the same price as the locals.

Or I just don’t buy it. And if everyone did the same, prices would reflect their actual salaries, and they could live a little more decently. Maybe they’d even have more respect for tourists because, most of the time, we’re seen as nothing more than walking wallets, which gets disappointing after a while.

And it fuels their temptation to scam us. Maybe we should put a stop to these soaring prices... soon, we won’t be able to afford to go to these countries at all. (lol)
CH Chrousseaud Globetrotter ·
It does seem obvious to me, though, that if French people travel to poorer countries, it’s often because it costs them less than taking a vacation in France, where there aren’t any cheap, nice hotels with beaches and sunshine for us.

No, it’s not "obvious." There are also—and above all—people on this forum who go elsewhere simply because they have a few major flaws: curiosity, the desire to meet different people, experience other cultures, or just the will to "step out of the herd." And beaches, sunshine, and "nice hotels" aren’t their motivation.
BO Bogual Regular ·
Yeah, of course, I was generalizing, but anyway, tourists always *have* to eat, sleep, etc.... But I think this discussion is important because it’s getting out of hand pretty much everywhere. Sadly, though, I’m afraid there aren’t many solutions.
RA Raoulx Globetrotter ·
* **** Plus, prices are usually displayed for both locals and non-locals. ***

Hi there, I’d love to see photos of this dual pricing! Which country did you see this in?
HJ HJ61 Globetrotter ·
HEY EVERYONE!!

I’ve seen double pricing at the entrance of a music festival in Ségou (Mali): 15,000 CFA francs for a Malian (or African?) 35,000 CFA francs for a foreigner (that’s a bit much). Even though it’s for 3 days, you’ve still got to add on the hotel and restaurants, which also hike up their prices. And desert festivals (Tuareg) – free for locals, 55,000 CFA francs for tourists... They’re definitely not filling up with those prices! But no surprises, it’s all clearly displayed!!

For other services like markets (outside tourist areas), there aren’t any major issues. Prices aren’t displayed, but everyone sells the same item or kilo of veggies for the same price. The problem comes when the seller (or saleswoman) charges 500 CFA francs for 5 papayas, and you only want one! It’s not easy to pay 100 CFA francs for it – they want 150 CFA francs... (why??). You’ve got to negotiate, and you’ll end up with a little crowd gathering and a good laugh for everyone.

The best veggie markets, in my opinion, are in Morocco. You grab a basin, fill it with your veggies (or fruit), and the seller weighs it all. Of course, it never comes to an exact weight! They’ll throw in an extra one or two items to make up the total. I love all that – it’s part of honest commerce.

In tourist zones, everything changes. The lack of displayed prices lets sellers inflate prices for tourists who aren’t too fussy (or are a bit gullible). If you walk in after them, it’s almost impossible to get the price back to something fair, let alone normal.

Best, PAPY
FD FDB Globetrotter ·
Hi,

Sorry, I don’t have any photos, but the most recent example was in Cuba this March, at a museum. It was clearly posted at the entrance: “national” or “foreigner.”

Otherwise, I’d seen this before a while back in the Aeolian Islands and in South America (Colombia, if I remember right)...
RA Raoulx Globetrotter ·
Hi,

Yes, that’s actually common almost everywhere—it’s completely legal and normal (in my opinion), and it doesn’t belong in a "scam" category. Some countries even officially require hotels, for example, to offer discounts to residents, whether they’re locals or foreigners.

I thought you’d seen restaurants or market stalls with dual pricing, since that’s the practice being called out in this thread!
FD FDB Globetrotter ·
The restaurant was apparently just an example—I honestly don’t remember seeing any like that 😉
MÉ MékongKing Veteran ·
Hi, for example in Senegal with the Ziguinchor / Dakar boat, same for the Dakar / Gorée Island ferry... JPB 😎
BR Brunlatino Regular ·
Grampaaaaaaaaaaaaaay, how’ve you been? It’s been ages! Far be it from me to contradict you—you know I usually agree with you—but let’s put things into context here... We’re talking about different prices for tourists. When it comes to the Desert Festival or the Niger (Essakane and Ségou), I’ll chime in. I’ve been working on these events and others in Mali for a few years now. For Ségou, prices have changed in the last two years... IT’S MORE EXPENSIVE!!! White = 100 € or 65,000 CFA for three days. One day: 20,000 CFA or 30 €, and Saturday is either 30,000 CFA or 45 €. For Malians: 5,000 CFA for 3 days. For non-Malian Africans: 15,000 CFA. For white expats: between 20,000 and 35,000 CFA, depending on how you look. In short, if you spend four days and three nights in Ségou during the festival, you’re looking at around 300–500 € all-in (water, food, alcohol for those who’re into it, the lovely ladies who come from Bamako, hotels, transport).

The economic discrimination is on full display, no shame, and that’s why when I started working for them in 2007, there were about 3,000 Europeans, and now it’s dropped to fewer than 500 *toubabs*... by 2009.

It’s a choice, and they own it because they’re backed by Europe, the Netherlands, Bavaria, Orange, etc.

For Essakane, you’re living right in the middle of the desert, 2 hours of super fine, soft sand from Timbuktu... There are also 12,000 to 15,000 people, and it costs white folks about 150 €, which includes a Tuareg tent, three meals, two bottles of water, and a mattress. You experience a three-day, non-stop festival in the middle of nowhere. Essakane is far from Ségou’s budget, and part of what you pay goes toward developing Timbuktu—bringing in water, fixing roads, repairing school roofs, and more. The concepts are completely different: at Essakane, three Tuareg tribes meet, along with the Songhai and people from all over the planet (250 journalists), all staying on the same site, including ambassadors and international delegations from all walks of life. Peace is also discussed there, as all legal (or not) and recognized (or not) entities come together around this festival to talk about peace. Essakane benefits from this argument, and everyone who comes returns because it’s *well* worth the money—you get showers, toilets, fresh water, electricity... and only two super well-designed trucks make it through the sand while fully loaded. The price includes logistics handled by over 500 people... The Tuaregs make their season in three days... and 150 € is honestly a steal for such an event in such an extraordinary setting. For Ségou, though, I agree with you—it’s in the city, with drinking water, TV, and ADSL... Nothing justifies those prices, especially considering the funding they receive. But like I said, it’s their choice, and they stand by it.

As for the rest, regarding tourist prices, I tend to agree with some: I accept paying more knowing my money goes toward real needs. I choose my vendors, and in Ségou, for example, there’s an old lady who sells right in front of the Auberge hotel... Only Mama among all the sharks around her. She supports her four kids, is a widow, and obviously eats one meal a day (on average) outside the tourist season.

Anyway, everyone’s got their take—me too, lol. See you soon, on the road again,

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