Tourist scams in poorer countries?
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FI Figus ·
you told the truth! Here, I sometimes haggle with vendors, and sometimes they tell me: "Don’t you see that we’re very poor here? And in your country, it’s all nice because you have a little more than we do?" Scam or fraud... I don’t know what to call it! I’ve been to Bolivia and Chile, and foreigners weren’t treated the same as locals at all!
MB Mboloani Regular ·
Hi,

In my opinion, it’s neither a scam nor fraud: for locals, white people are necessarily rich, and it’s perfectly normal to "tax" them... openly and in front of everyone. When I crossed the Ogooué Delta from Port-Gentil to Omboué by *pinasse*, I paid a sum that didn’t even spare me from sleeping at the bottom of the boat, with a passenger’s feet tickling my nose! An unforgettable crossing that was well worth the price asked.
MA MaurCasa ·
I’m still a bit shocked by this kind of thinking. In France, I live on very little, but I save up so I can travel. Right now, I’ve been staying with a family I know in Nicaragua for a few weeks, and I realize I’m wealthy compared to here—when I spend 15 € to help with food costs, it feeds the family for several weeks. A teacher’s salary here is about 150 € per month. So I think it’s completely normal, when prices are official and posted, that a foreigner who can afford a flight ticket costing more than a year’s salary here pays more, in line with their means (whatever they say about it). Otherwise, it would mean shutting out locals who can’t afford those visits or limiting income for places like natural parks or museums that wouldn’t survive without it. I’m not saying that in some touristy countries, they don’t try to rip you off as a tourist, but regarding this specific practice, I don’t feel like it’s treating me like a walking wallet—unlike other situations that have really gotten on my nerves, which I’d call scams.
CA Caroleen Regular ·
I’m jumping into the discussion! Even without going as far as Mali or India and the famous Taj Mahal, I’ve seen tourist prices vs. local prices in Russia. I really don’t like the idea of being charged more just because we’re tourists. It’s a bit annoying to be treated like a walking wallet, even if we have to accept that we are—because even when haggling, we never pay the local price. And sure, we can afford to pay a little extra. But I still think we should negotiate and try to pay less (I’m talking about taxis and shops, not places where prices are clearly displayed). For example, if tourists always pay the higher price for a taxi, won’t that driver start prioritizing tourists over locals, since it’s more profitable? I don’t think it’s helping a country to contribute to driving up prices. Look at the real estate prices in the southeast of France—it’s becoming unaffordable for young French workers, all because wealthy Brits (and others) can pay twice as much for a second home they don’t even live in year-round. It’s not on the same scale as a taxi ride, but still. It’s not exactly humanitarian.
FI Figus ·
I'm in Cameroon and I just finished with a health caravan in the Minta district—it was amazing, I have to say it's really nice! As for prices... people here live on less than 2 € a day, it's really sad!
BI Bikeman Veteran ·
Just a clarification that really gets under my skin when people write: I understand that tourists pay more than locals because they’re richer (or don’t have the same purchasing power!!!, etc., etc.). In that case, why does an 18-year-old backpacker with 100 euros for the week pay the same price as a "5-star" tourist who drops 100 euros at every meal or every night at the hotel?!

2. Let me tell you a story that’s a bit old but really representative of this. Once in Sri Lanka, we arrived at a site (Sigiriya, if I remember correctly). Tourists: $15 Locals: $0.15 That’s 100 times cheaper for locals!!

We were cycling around the world and didn’t have the budget for that kind of visit!! Anyway, we haggled, and the guy explained it was so that "poor" Sri Lankans could visit the site. And at that moment, a Mercedes pulled up. Four Sri Lankans with high-tech camcorders and cameras got out, paid......$0.60, and went in!!! The guy’s whole argument collapsed right then and there!!
CH Choucarde Globetrotter ·
It’s a logic that holds up, but it’s not necessarily everyone’s—starting with the "locals." Let me explain... For my part, in Africa, based on what I’ve observed several times, it’s unthinkable for a local, even a well-off one, to pay the tourist price. It would be a bit like making them pay to enter their own home. Instead, they’ll give a good tip to the guide and park chief—but purely for selfish reasons: to ensure they have a good time and to show they’re the boss (since they have the money... it’s normal). If this local visitor is a civil servant, this kind of reasoning applies even more. Even if the price were the same as for tourists, they’d pay with their "slush fund," meaning money that wasn’t meant for that purpose, so... And I’ve rarely seen "poor" people visit these places. The only non-wealthy people I’ve seen in the parks are locals with customary access, who don’t pay—but they’re not there to visit; they live there. Plus, if people come to these places from very far away, most "locals" assume they have the means, even if they’re traveling by bike. That can seem surprising to populations who see Western tourists as rich—if *they* had money, they wouldn’t bother exerting themselves; they’d drive around in a big air-conditioned 4x4. So, the same price for everyone isn’t happening anytime soon in many countries, and even if it were, I doubt it would be properly enforced everywhere... The argument: "It’s so that poor Sri Lankans can visit the site" isn’t really valid—I agree with that. For Africa, I also agree with Mboloani’s opinion.
BI Bikeman Veteran ·
Great summary, choucarde!! It’s clear that the "locals" find the sight of tourists traveling by bike really funny. During my 6-year trip, how many times did I hear:

"What you’re doing is really tough—I hope your government pays you a fortune!!!!"

"I hope one day you’ll have enough money to take the bus!!"

Or: "Where are you from?" Me: "From France, we’ve done 12,000 km." Them: "Okay! Where are you going?" Me: "To X (300 km away)." Them: "Are you crazy?! That’s way too far! No one’s ever gone that far by bike!!"

Anyway, back to the original post! Imagine one day, to go up the Eiffel Tower, you see: French: 8 € Gulf countries: 75 €!!!!!!

Imagine the story!!! It’s not even thinkable, especially since tourists from the Gulf are way richer than "poor" French people!
MA MaurCasa ·
Yes, I completely agree. I was specifically talking about the clearly displayed prices for some natural park or museum entries. For everything else (taxi rides, markets), I totally agree that bargaining is necessary—if only to avoid driving up the cost of living in the country. And it’s exhausting and really annoying to be seen as nothing more than a walking wallet the moment you step onto the street... I’m familiar with the issue of country houses in the south of France, and I think it’s a well-chosen example...
CH Choucarde Globetrotter ·
I really like these two:

"It’s really tough what you’re doing, I hope your government pays you a ton!!!!"

"I hope one day you’ll have enough money to take the bus!!"

"Imagine one day, to go up the Eiffel Tower, you see: French: 8 € Gulf countries: 75 €!!!!!!" So maybe we’d be a little less vocal about this topic elsewhere.
BA Bakea ·
hey everyone, really interesting debate!!! 😉

yeah, being white in third-world countries means you’re seen as rich, a tourist, on top of that!!! if any of us lived like a poor Congolese, Indian, or Brazilian person, we’d act exactly the same way—they’d take advantage of the "tourist price" too.

personally, when I go to Africa, I make African friends, travel with them, ask about local prices, and let them haggle for me when possible—they love it. I also stay super humble when they bump up the price a little for me. I make it clear I know the going rates, I refuse scams, but I always give a bit extra because that’s just how it is. Even if I’m broke, I’m still richer than them! you’ve got to know real poverty to understand, and you’ve got to know the people, understand them, realize that what seems normal in Europe isn’t necessarily normal elsewhere. it’s all about attitude, temperament, and whether you accept local customs or not.

tourist traps exist in France too, just in a more subtle way. They just hike up prices before the season. But hey! Tourists aren’t the only ones getting legally scammed in this messed-up country... that’s another debate! Sorry! lol.

in many third-world countries, even civil servants aren’t paid.

tourist will always mean money, whether we like it or not, and everyone’s free to accept the scam or not. 😎

what’s the point of complaining once we’re back home?
MB Mboloani Regular ·
Hello,

Perfectly reasoned and done. Nothing to add.
XI Xizang ·
When it's clear and transparent, to me it's not a scam and I don’t mind paying more. Yet I travel backpacker-style, couchsurfing and all that.

Eurodisney Park does charge locals from Île-de-France less... So, are people from other regions getting scammed? I doubt it.
PI Pivoine4 ·
Well said, Bakea—I feel the same way.

To settle the debate, let me tell you about a visit last year to Mont Saint-Michel: entry was 9 €, free for minors. Free admission for young people aged 18 to 25 from the European Union (lucky for us, we had three of them), but our young Canadian guests still had to pay 5.5 € (except Emmanuel, who turned 18 a few days later, I think).

But I felt really uncomfortable about it—it’s a form of discrimination, isn’t it? People will say the monument is maintained with European funds, etc. So what? Can’t we offer young globetrotters one of the world’s wonders?

Because they’d worked hard for every euro to come to France, traveling by bike, young, open-minded, and idealistic—what a great mix
LU Lucq Globetrotter ·
Yeah, and it's the same in Asia too. Everyone's just trying to make money... it's that simple!
JE Jeff34000 ·
Honestly, tourist scams exist just as much in Paris or Rome as in other countries—it’s mostly the *modus operandi* that changes. The classics: the “fake volunteer guide” who sticks to you and demands money at the end, the “free” tea that turns into a carpet purchase, or the famous “it’s closed today, come check out my cousin’s shop instead.”

I’ve come across loads of these cases shared by travelers, sorted by country—a really telling example in Egypt (“the pyramids are closed”): https://galeresdevoyages.fr/galeres/les-pyramides-sont-fermees-larnaque-au-chameau-a-gizeh/
PA Patrick91230 Globetrotter ·
Good evening,

We had this issue in Hoi An, Vietnam. We sit down in a restaurant, the waitress gives us the menu, I absentmindedly look around, and then I see that at the next table, locals are reading a different menu. I call the waitress over and ask for the menu my neighbors have. She refuses, claiming it’s in Vietnamese and I wouldn’t understand anything, then walks away. After that, I asked my neighbors for their menu, and surprise—the prices are completely different, about 30% to 50% more expensive depending on the dish. I felt totally scammed. When she came back to take our order, I ordered using the Vietnamese menu. She didn’t know what to say and looked really uncomfortable. At first, she hesitated and went to talk to her boss, then came back and said okay. It doesn’t happen in every restaurant, but some do this.
MI MirandaMouse Globetrotter ·
We had this happen in Saint Petersburg (back in 2018). We’d already been to that restaurant the year before and were shocked to see the prices had almost doubled. To check, we grabbed a menu in Russian, and the waiter snatched it right out of our hands. We just left...

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