Merci beaucoup
Entre 17 et 20 jours au Maroc
by Catlove3
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
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Bonjour,
Je sais qu'il y a beaucoup de rubrique sur le Maroc. Par contre, je n'en ai pas trouvé une récente concernant mes interrogations. Je veux partir entre 17 et 20 jours au Maroc ( dépendamment des billets d'avion, vu que je pars du Québec, ce n'est pas donné) soit fin juin début juillet ou bien fin juillet début août. Concernant cela, lequel entre les deux pensez vous est le mieux? niveau chaleur/touristes même si je sais que en été peu importe le mois les deux sont très présents. J'irais avec ma sœur et voulons louer une voiture. Nous recherchons a faire les villes, mais aussi le désert( pas trop longtemps, avec cette chaleur) , le Haut atlas et le bord de la mer. Je suis consciente qu'en 17 ou 20 jours, nous ne pouvons pas tout voir, mais comme je ne considère pas revenir au Maroc, je veux vraiment voir le max de choses différentes et tout a tellement l'air beau ! Alors je voulais votre avis sur un itinéraire qui permet d'inclure un peu de tout. Par exemple, le bord de mer peut être seulement 2 jours a Essaouira !
Les villes de Marrakech, Casablanca, Fès, Meknès, volubilis semble assez populaire, donc j'aimerais bien les voir.
Merci beaucoup
Merci beaucoup
Bonjour
Attention à la fin du ramadan le 15 ou 16 juin, 3 jours de fête après où tout est fermé
Aout est encore plus chaud que juillet
En aout beaucoup de marocains sont en vacances et envahissent les plages.
Le Maroc est très diversifié.
Les villes sont arabes (sauf Agadir) les montagnes sont berbères
Moi je préfère les 3 atlas (moyen, haut et anti atlas et les confins du désert par les routes de l'est. Marrakech (palais et medina) et Essaouira, Fes si on veut s'immerger dans une vraie medina. Beaucoup de km de routes toutes goudronnées mais on roule pas vite.
Tout dépend de ce que vous aimez... Y'en a pour tous les goûts... Préciser un peu ce que vous cherchez..
Moi je préfère les 3 atlas (moyen, haut et anti atlas et les confins du désert par les routes de l'est. Marrakech (palais et medina) et Essaouira, Fes si on veut s'immerger dans une vraie medina. Beaucoup de km de routes toutes goudronnées mais on roule pas vite.
Tout dépend de ce que vous aimez... Y'en a pour tous les goûts... Préciser un peu ce que vous cherchez..
« On parle toujours de la violence du fleuve qui déborde ses berges - jamais de la violence des berges qui enserrent le fleuve... » disait Berthold Brecht
Eh bien, c'est dur à dire. Je veux voir des paysages, des montagnes et des déserts, mais aussi passer à travers les villes immanquables et la mer. Je lis sur le Maroc, mais beaucoup de personnes proposent des itinéraires très différents. C'est un peu dur de savoir les distances entre chaque villes. C'est pour ça que je demande votre aide, car je suis un peu perdue il y a trop d'infos différentes. J'aimerais bien faire une nuit dans le désert ! Et un petit trek dans un des Atlas aussi! Aussi, par exemple, traversé Fès Meknès et volubilis prend combien de temps? compte tenant que ces villes sont très près ? Je sais que je suis vague, mais je suis ouverte aux propositions !
Merci !
Bonjour
Entre 17 et 20 jours on peut faire beaucoup de choses, mais fin juillet aie, aie
Je pars personnellement dans 10 jours pour une semaine, dans le sud pour faire découvrir le Maroc à des amis. J'y ai vécu 20 ans et depuis 1981 j'y retourne au moins 2 fois par an
Même si on peut beaucoup de choses en 20 jours, mais on ne peut pas tout faire, il faudra choisir les régions à visiter, ou alors faire beaucoup de Kms et au mois de juillet meme avec une voiture climatisée, aie, aie^.
Les régions à choisir à mon gout, par ordre prioritaire :
1° - Le sud de l'Atlas, la vallée du Draa ( Ourzazate, Zagora, Mhamid )
2° - Le Tafilalet ( Dunes de Merzouga, Erfoud )
3° - Le nord du Maroc, et le Rif ( Tanger, Chaouen ). Eviter Al Hoceima actuellement
4° - La région D'Agadir
Evidemment on ne peut pas ignorer Marrakech
Si tu le souhaites je peux donner plus d'informations sur telle ou telle région
Cordialement
Bonjour Catherine,
Commencez dans un premier temps de vous munir d'une carte routière la michelin 742
Ensuite pour avoir une idée des temps de parcours d'un point A à un point B le site de supratours (cars faisant les liaisons que le train n'assure pas) bien entendu cela donne juste une idée si vous faites le choix de location de véhicule.
cordialement
A.
Commencez dans un premier temps de vous munir d'une carte routière la michelin 742
Ensuite pour avoir une idée des temps de parcours d'un point A à un point B le site de supratours (cars faisant les liaisons que le train n'assure pas) bien entendu cela donne juste une idée si vous faites le choix de location de véhicule.
cordialement
A.
en 20 jours on peut effectivement faire un joli circuit, mais quel sera votre point d'arrivée et de départ ? du Québec c'est souvent Casablanca que l'on voit citer.
pour la période, vous aurez chaud quelle que soit la date retenue ...
de Casa à Casa cela pourrait être (à la louche)
Casa - Essaouira par la côte - Marrakech - Ouarzazate puis la vallée du dades - Merzouga et une nuit dans le désert - ( ou bien Ouarzazate - vallée du draa - Mahmid et nuit dans le désert, la N12 vers Rissani) la vallée du Tafilalet gorges du Ziz - Azrou Fes - et retour à casa
faisable en 20 jours et qui vous fait parcourir mer-montagnes - villes souhaitées
de Casa à Casa cela pourrait être (à la louche)
Casa - Essaouira par la côte - Marrakech - Ouarzazate puis la vallée du dades - Merzouga et une nuit dans le désert - ( ou bien Ouarzazate - vallée du draa - Mahmid et nuit dans le désert, la N12 vers Rissani) la vallée du Tafilalet gorges du Ziz - Azrou Fes - et retour à casa
faisable en 20 jours et qui vous fait parcourir mer-montagnes - villes souhaitées
Hello
Vous êtes combien ? Vous avez tous 20 ans ? Vous êtes plus villes (culturel et vie nocturne à l'européenne, rencontre avec des jeunes) ou plus nature (coucher à 20h, les villages sont beaux mais assez morts, rencontre avec les vieux...) ?
Bonne proposition de circuit de Cambrousse... J'ai été expatrié Maroc et j'y retourne une fois pas an... Le Maroc est extraordinaire en ce sens qu'on y voit la ville arabe, les montagnes où l'eau est une ressource rare et les villages en cours d'abandon, des très belles palmeraies, le désert avec un peu de dunes, la côte atlantique... Tout ça dans un seul pays !
Moi pour un premier voyage au Maroc en juillet aout départ et retour Casablanca, je privilégierais une option avec moins de km et plus de temps dans les villages de montagne. Ce qui donnerait, dans le sens des aiguilles d'une montre:
- Véhicule climatisé - 3 jours, De l'aéroport de Casa direct sur Marrakech (2 nuits). J'oublie Fes (la médina de Marrakech en est un petit aperçu) Volubilis (ville romaine certes mais en pleine chaleur !) Meknes (pas grand chose en fait si on ne prend pas le temps de découvrir les artisans)
- 4 jours Le haut Atlas, il y fait plus frais, la vallée heureuse Ait Bougmez puis la route de montagne de Demnate à Skoura, 2 nuits à Skoura ? (belle palmeraie et bons petits hotels locaux) avec un Aller Retour sur les gorges du dadès
- 4 jours, Mhamid (au lieu de Merzouga il faut choisir car c'est beaucoup de km monotones et chauds), donc de Skoura revenir à Ouarzazate pour aller au sud à Mhamid avec une ou plutôt deux nuits en bivouacs sauvages dans les dunes (je connais une bonne agence à Mhamid qui a un site web permettant de repérer des tas d'option... http://www.sejourdesertmaroc.com/
- 4 jours, Retour direction Marrakech par derrière: Taliouine, Taroudant puis cap au nord le col Tizi'n test, trek montagne sur les pentes du Toubkal
- 3 jours de plages, avant Marrakech bifurquer sur Essaouira (port bien actif) , puis rapidement Safi... Casa - 2 jours Casa (grande mosquée fermée à la visite le vendredi) et le souk des Habous, avec éventuellement un Aller Retour Rabat (pour le quartier des Oudayas et le café maure)
Les petites routes sont toutes goudronnées mais 60km/h de moyenne maxi.
Bonne réflexion...
Vous êtes combien ? Vous avez tous 20 ans ? Vous êtes plus villes (culturel et vie nocturne à l'européenne, rencontre avec des jeunes) ou plus nature (coucher à 20h, les villages sont beaux mais assez morts, rencontre avec les vieux...) ?
Bonne proposition de circuit de Cambrousse... J'ai été expatrié Maroc et j'y retourne une fois pas an... Le Maroc est extraordinaire en ce sens qu'on y voit la ville arabe, les montagnes où l'eau est une ressource rare et les villages en cours d'abandon, des très belles palmeraies, le désert avec un peu de dunes, la côte atlantique... Tout ça dans un seul pays !
Moi pour un premier voyage au Maroc en juillet aout départ et retour Casablanca, je privilégierais une option avec moins de km et plus de temps dans les villages de montagne. Ce qui donnerait, dans le sens des aiguilles d'une montre:
- Véhicule climatisé - 3 jours, De l'aéroport de Casa direct sur Marrakech (2 nuits). J'oublie Fes (la médina de Marrakech en est un petit aperçu) Volubilis (ville romaine certes mais en pleine chaleur !) Meknes (pas grand chose en fait si on ne prend pas le temps de découvrir les artisans)
- 4 jours Le haut Atlas, il y fait plus frais, la vallée heureuse Ait Bougmez puis la route de montagne de Demnate à Skoura, 2 nuits à Skoura ? (belle palmeraie et bons petits hotels locaux) avec un Aller Retour sur les gorges du dadès
- 4 jours, Mhamid (au lieu de Merzouga il faut choisir car c'est beaucoup de km monotones et chauds), donc de Skoura revenir à Ouarzazate pour aller au sud à Mhamid avec une ou plutôt deux nuits en bivouacs sauvages dans les dunes (je connais une bonne agence à Mhamid qui a un site web permettant de repérer des tas d'option... http://www.sejourdesertmaroc.com/
- 4 jours, Retour direction Marrakech par derrière: Taliouine, Taroudant puis cap au nord le col Tizi'n test, trek montagne sur les pentes du Toubkal
- 3 jours de plages, avant Marrakech bifurquer sur Essaouira (port bien actif) , puis rapidement Safi... Casa - 2 jours Casa (grande mosquée fermée à la visite le vendredi) et le souk des Habous, avec éventuellement un Aller Retour Rabat (pour le quartier des Oudayas et le café maure)
Les petites routes sont toutes goudronnées mais 60km/h de moyenne maxi.
Bonne réflexion...
« On parle toujours de la violence du fleuve qui déborde ses berges - jamais de la violence des berges qui enserrent le fleuve... » disait Berthold Brecht
Wow! Merci beaucoup pour tous ces infos ! Je vais regarder cela avec les infos de cambrousse, mais c'est vrai que Merzouga semble loin...
Nous sommes 2 filles de 22 et 23 ans, nous aimons bien culturelle et vie nocturne, mais on peut très facilement passer par dessus la vie nocturne pour voir des endroits magnifiques !
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We’re planning to rent a vehicle and are pretty active—we’re not really into crowds (that’s why I’ve decided to skip Marrakech).
Here’s my proposed itinerary:
Trip Proposal Summary: From May 13 (morning arrival) to May 26 (morning departure) Arrival and departure: Essaouira Day 1 (May 13): Arrival in Essaouira – Settling in / Exploring / Rest Day 2 (May 14): Essaouira – Water activities Day 3 (May 15): Essaouira to Tafraoute (~5h30) – route via Agadir – arrival and first exploration; Question: Is a detour to Taroudant worth considering? Day 4 (May 16): Tafraoute – Hike in the granite rocks – wild bivouac Day 5 (May 17): Tafraoute – Aït Mansour gorges – oasis – night in a hostel Day 6 (May 18): Tafraoute → Foum Zguid (~5h) – transition route – simple overnight or bivouac Day 7 (May 19): Foum Zguid → Zagora (~3h) – Draa Valley – desert prep Day 8 (May 20): Zagora → M'Hamid El Ghizlane → Erg Chigaga – departure with 4x4 guide – entering the dunes – bivouac Day 9 (May 21): Erg Chigaga – full desert day – walking, exploring – bivouac Day 10 (May 22): Desert → Ouarzazate (~5–6h) – leaving the desert – rest Day 11 (May 23): Aït Benhaddou – early visit – short hike – overnight stay Day 12 (May 24): Aït Benhaddou → Telouet – route toward the Atlas – start of trek – bivouac Day 13 (May 25): Atlas → Essaouira (~5–6h) – end of trek – return to Essaouira (overnight) Day 14 (May 26): Essaouira – free time + return flight
What do you think?
I aimed for an excursion to the Chigaga desert from M’Hamid because it seems less touristy and allows for a more compact loop. Is that a good idea? Is the drive to M’Hamid maybe too tedious?
Open to your great tips if there’s room for optimization!
All ears! :)
Thanks in advance and have a great day!
Clément
A lot of people find it important to stick to their budget when traveling—not to skimp, but to visit as many places as possible since traveling is their hobby.
In this post, I want to share some tips for those coming to Morocco who want their trip to be budget-friendly.
1. Prebook everything: hotels or riads, car rentals, or tours. If you book these in advance, it’ll make your life easier. You won’t have to deal with hagglers or people trying to overcharge you for services that are available online for free. Use platforms like Booking, Expedia, carsrental.ma, Airbnb, and other booking services to get this done properly.
2. Exchange your money to Moroccan dirhams as soon as you land. 1 € is always a little over 10 dirhams, but many people get charged as if it were exactly 10 dirhams per euro.
3. When visiting an old site or the old medina, avoid talking to vendors and shop owners—they’re really good at getting your attention and making you overpay for things.
4. Ask your tour guide to buy things for you. Yes, they do get a commission, but you’ll probably pay way more if you buy something yourself that they can get cheaply.
5. Walk everywhere. You don’t need a taxi for every little trip. Pick a good location and walk—most Moroccan cities are safe during normal hours.
6. Buy your food, drinks, etc., from supermarkets at normal prices. They can’t overcharge you since they scan every product.
I think that’s it for now.
Take care
In this post, I want to share some tips for those coming to Morocco who want their trip to be budget-friendly.
1. Prebook everything: hotels or riads, car rentals, or tours. If you book these in advance, it’ll make your life easier. You won’t have to deal with hagglers or people trying to overcharge you for services that are available online for free. Use platforms like Booking, Expedia, carsrental.ma, Airbnb, and other booking services to get this done properly.
2. Exchange your money to Moroccan dirhams as soon as you land. 1 € is always a little over 10 dirhams, but many people get charged as if it were exactly 10 dirhams per euro.
3. When visiting an old site or the old medina, avoid talking to vendors and shop owners—they’re really good at getting your attention and making you overpay for things.
4. Ask your tour guide to buy things for you. Yes, they do get a commission, but you’ll probably pay way more if you buy something yourself that they can get cheaply.
5. Walk everywhere. You don’t need a taxi for every little trip. Pick a good location and walk—most Moroccan cities are safe during normal hours.
6. Buy your food, drinks, etc., from supermarkets at normal prices. They can’t overcharge you since they scan every product.
I think that’s it for now.
Take care
Hi everyone! 😊
We’re traveling as a family to Marrakech from April 19 to 24, and there’ll be 15 of us (all ages), staying in the Targa neighborhood (El Idrissi Street).
I’d love your advice on a few things! 🙏
🚗 Vehicle rental
We’re thinking of renting 3 cars. We’ve seen really low prices online, but often without insurance.
👉 Do you have any reliable contacts or personal experiences to share?
👉 Would you recommend getting specific “tourist” insurance?
🏛️ Visits – Bahia Palace & Saadian Tombs
We’d like to visit the Bahia Palace and the Saadian Tombs, but:
We can’t find single tickets online We only see guided tours with fixed times (like 9:30 AM / 4-hour tours)
👉 Do you know if it’s possible to book without a guide? 👉 Or do we have to buy tickets on-site? (We’re a little worried about crowds and lines, especially with older folks in the group.) 🍽️ Restaurants / meals We’ve spotted the Grand Bazaar Marrakech for a meal. 👉 Any thoughts? 👉 Could you recommend other restaurants in the same budget? (We’re a big group, so it needs to stay reasonable.) For lunch/snacks, we’ve seen:
Snack Toubkal Goûter Saveur
👉 If anyone’s been, I’d love your feedback! 😊 🛒 Practical info – Targa neighborhood We’ll be in Targa (El Idrissi Street). 👉 Are there shops nearby for quick groceries (breakfast, water, etc.)?
If you’ve got any great tips, contacts, or little tricks, I’d love to hear them! 😍 Thanks so much for your help! 💖
We can’t find single tickets online We only see guided tours with fixed times (like 9:30 AM / 4-hour tours)
👉 Do you know if it’s possible to book without a guide? 👉 Or do we have to buy tickets on-site? (We’re a little worried about crowds and lines, especially with older folks in the group.) 🍽️ Restaurants / meals We’ve spotted the Grand Bazaar Marrakech for a meal. 👉 Any thoughts? 👉 Could you recommend other restaurants in the same budget? (We’re a big group, so it needs to stay reasonable.) For lunch/snacks, we’ve seen:
Snack Toubkal Goûter Saveur
👉 If anyone’s been, I’d love your feedback! 😊 🛒 Practical info – Targa neighborhood We’ll be in Targa (El Idrissi Street). 👉 Are there shops nearby for quick groceries (breakfast, water, etc.)?
If you’ve got any great tips, contacts, or little tricks, I’d love to hear them! 😍 Thanks so much for your help! 💖
As-salamu alaykum!
We’re heading to Morocco as a family from April 22 to May 8. It’s a bit short to explore such a beautiful and vast country, but school and work commitments, you know how it is... My partner is a musician and absolutely loves Gnawa music. Unfortunately, we won’t have time to visit Essaouira, as we’re heading south toward the Valley of the Roses...
Do you know of any places around Marrakech, Ouarzazate, or Kelaat M’Gouna where we might have the chance to meet Gnawa musicians? We’ll also be staying a few days in Aït Benhaddou and Skoura during our trip toward the Dadès Valley. If you have any good spots to buy a guembri along the way, I’d love to hear about them too! :)
Thanks in advance for your tips!
Mathieu
We’re heading to Morocco as a family from April 22 to May 8. It’s a bit short to explore such a beautiful and vast country, but school and work commitments, you know how it is... My partner is a musician and absolutely loves Gnawa music. Unfortunately, we won’t have time to visit Essaouira, as we’re heading south toward the Valley of the Roses...
Do you know of any places around Marrakech, Ouarzazate, or Kelaat M’Gouna where we might have the chance to meet Gnawa musicians? We’ll also be staying a few days in Aït Benhaddou and Skoura during our trip toward the Dadès Valley. If you have any good spots to buy a guembri along the way, I’d love to hear about them too! :)
Thanks in advance for your tips!
Mathieu
Mid-May: arriving alone (so, a "petit taxi"?) at Marrakech airport around 4:30 PM,
is it advisable to take a taxi at the airport (cost?) or is it wiser to book one through the hotel before departure (which would cost me 20 €)?
I think I’ve seen lower fares elsewhere (12 €?).
Destination: Riad Sijane near Djemaa El Fna square. Thanks!
hi there
we’re heading to Hammamet in a few months
what would you recommend visiting for a week?
best regards
Hi there,
I’m planning my next trip outside Europe for next year, but unfortunately, I don’t have a choice with the dates—it’s late June to early July. Last year, I went to Japan for three weeks, and it was constantly 36-37°C with over 90% humidity. It wasn’t easy, but it wasn’t impossible either.
For Egypt, I know it’s a period to avoid if possible, but I’m thinking that by the sea, it might be manageable. Otherwise, I’ll consider another destination.
Day 1: Arrival in Hurghada in the evening Day 2, 3, 4: Hurghada Day 5: Hurghada, then drive to Luxor in the early afternoon Day 6: Luxor Day 7: Luxor, then drive back to Hurghada in the late afternoon Day 8, 9, 10, 11: Hurghada Day 12: Return flight
For the Hurghada trip, either rent a car or—easier—a private car/van. Is it worth adding an extra day in Luxor?
During the stay, we’re planning activities like camel rides, quad biking, jeep tours, snorkeling, and jet skiing.
Thanks for your replies
I’m planning my next trip outside Europe for next year, but unfortunately, I don’t have a choice with the dates—it’s late June to early July. Last year, I went to Japan for three weeks, and it was constantly 36-37°C with over 90% humidity. It wasn’t easy, but it wasn’t impossible either.
For Egypt, I know it’s a period to avoid if possible, but I’m thinking that by the sea, it might be manageable. Otherwise, I’ll consider another destination.
Day 1: Arrival in Hurghada in the evening Day 2, 3, 4: Hurghada Day 5: Hurghada, then drive to Luxor in the early afternoon Day 6: Luxor Day 7: Luxor, then drive back to Hurghada in the late afternoon Day 8, 9, 10, 11: Hurghada Day 12: Return flight
For the Hurghada trip, either rent a car or—easier—a private car/van. Is it worth adding an extra day in Luxor?
During the stay, we’re planning activities like camel rides, quad biking, jeep tours, snorkeling, and jet skiing.
Thanks for your replies
Hi there,
We’re planning a trip to Morocco in September-October in our Fiat camper van, which isn’t a 4x4 but has already handled quite a bit of rough travel. While reading up on southern Morocco, we’ve been drawn to the Aguinane oasis but I’m having trouble locating it on the map. Is it possible to get there without a 4x4?
Thanks for your help
Hi,
Does anyone know the address of a rose flower distillery in the Valley of Roses / Kelaa M'Gouna? A traditional distillery, not just the tourist shop.
Thanks a bunch!
Nicolas :-)
Does anyone know the address of a rose flower distillery in the Valley of Roses / Kelaa M'Gouna? A traditional distillery, not just the tourist shop.
Thanks a bunch!
Nicolas :-)
Hi there,
Can anyone tell me if it's possible to travel from the Dades Gorges (Msemrir) to the Todra Gorges (Tamtatouche) on a paved road? Thanks in advance for any answers.