Posts by Jupiteria

🙁une de nos "bonnes" qui nous a volés, habilement mais avec persévérance

Bonjour, Professeur!!! mais alors pourquoi ne pas utiliser un autre terme que le mot "bonne , la langue Française est pourtant riche pour relever le statut d'une Femme de service, de ménage, Employée de maison, etc, etc, Pas très joli et peu respectueux que ce mot là! Pour ce qui est de la Tunisie, même s' il est vrai qu'il faut être vigilant, (et par ailleurs le Maroc qui n'est pas mieux en terme d'arnaques en tous genre) elle mérite une visite et l'on y trouve aussi du respect et de la gentillesse, et parfois même du désintéressement.....

Hello,

To refocus the discussion on the topic and accommodate everyone’s rainy constraints during this dreary, damp winter, I suggest we clarify the question:

Why is this tendency to see the grass as greener elsewhere so French? What does it stem from? A cultural atavism, a worldview, a type of society?...

Michel

Hello. Thank you for picking up the thread I started, Jupiteria. The French often take pride in defending their little patch of land, their region, their country, etc., believing—somewhat vainly—that the advantages of this societal structure will make their lives better, though not necessarily more enthusiastic, as we all know.

I’d like to move past the clichés and narrow-minded views of those who, too grounded in reality, only consider the purely material and profitable side of a DESIRE FOR ELSEWHERE. Let’s get back to what truly matters, but from a completely different perspective—one that suggests this ELSEWHERE could be a return to our roots, a stripping away of the self, a conscious way of living that recognizes the importance of what’s essential for the survival of the hu…man… species!!!! After all, we’ve come to understand the futility and absurdity of all the psychological prisons we’ve built, which are supposedly leading us to a "successful" life… yet few are truly convinced or convincing about this ideology when HUMANS NATURALLY IGNORE ONE ANOTHER in the most basic ways—starving, destroying, exploiting each other in a dizzying system designed for the wealth of a few! France or not France, it’s the same everywhere!

So yes! It’s a challenge to broaden our horizons in search of "something better elsewhere." By that, I mean countries where modernism and egocentrism haven’t yet corrupted people and cities—places where, though we might be poorer, we’d be freer in our minds. Where respect, simplicity, and sharing complete the circle in wonderful glances and smiles, even if we still have to go about our daily tasks, but with a lighter heart. Yes, I cling to this idea of elsewhere, even knowing they’ll envy me for having known France… and yet, I’d tell them that the sweetness of life isn’t where they think it is, that true values are found and passed on through authenticity, and that materialism has sown bad seeds.

Ah! What a utopia you must think… and how I understand you… but green grass—or less green grass—grows everywhere ELSEWHERE… and I’ll be content with little as long as I’m free. To wrap up, thousands of French people leave and live abroad, never to return! We’d love to hear from them on this forum.

Bonjour, J'ai visité les deux.....et chaque pays présentent ses singularités. Si vous décidez de parcourir la Tunisie, vous ne serez pas déçue non plus sans compter l'accueil sympathique des Tunisiens. Le Nord est absolument à faire, Sidi Bou Saïd, Carthage, Hammamet, Monastir etc. Le sud est magnifique avec son désert, et ses villes typiques . Il est vrai quelques restrictions au niveau de l'espace visitable au sud mais il reste énormément à faire! Vous ne craignez rien....et vous pouvez compter sur la gentillesse Tunisienne, et d'un climat très agréable. Bonne Vacance!

Hello. And I still haven’t changed my mind......except that the idea of leaving for abroad is haunting my mind even more now! Oh, the most beautiful country in the world, France, well, not for me either. That would be a pretty narrow view of the world’s beauty. French-style chauvinism, I guess! It’s hard to make people understand that you can’t worship France, love it, and still want to stay—another odd and strangely limited perspective! A country rich in history, with undeniable heritage and cultural treasures, I’ll admit, and one that would do well to keep us hooked just like that! But no! I still dream of that *elsewhere*, and I fully intend to leave this arrogant one in its delusion of perfection.....because there’s so much to say about that too! Goodbye grayness and gloomy faces, hello to you, foreign lands, in your bright attire that makes life so simple and sweet.

Opinions can be negative... but that’s also because we step out of our comfort zone!!! Preferring other places isn’t about blind negativity or being anti-France—it’s about the experience that shows us there’s also good, beauty, and everything in between in different contexts that can absolutely charm us. Let’s move past French chauvinism...!!! and the stifling idea that you *have* to live in your own country to fit some "normal" mold. There’s nothing negative about it—it’s just the mindset of those who choose to believe it!

You’ve completely lost it...... Oh help.....!!!! Stop convincing yourself that you’re the only one who knows, who can do, who understands.... You’re "off-topic," and you’re teaching us NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that’s useful, intelligent, or helps move the conversation forward on a topic you’ve UNDERSTOOD NOTHING about! You’re stuck in moralizing judgment, stating the obvious, and a narrow-mindedness I don’t agree with, that’s all. I won’t respond to your messages anymore—"you’re not worth the time"—and also out of respect for those who actually wanted to share their thoughts on the original topic. THE END.

Hello everyone,

But yes, but yes... it's back-to-school time!!! My Chilean friend, I'd love to set my suitcases down again in San Pedro, or even in the Elqui Valley—there’s so much to say... and to dream about... by the shore of a lake. Best regards, Jupiteria

SHOCKED.....OH THE POOR THING!!!

I wasn’t wrong after all about what I sensed regarding your first ramblings... I never asked for anyone’s OPINION or advice—REREAD the original idea carefully... which, up to now, hasn’t caused any problems for anyone. On the contrary.... check the history and learn......!!!!! The "ELSEWHERE" that may not be familiar to you gives me a taste of freedom, curiosity, opens doors, and broadens the mind—we keep growing instead of just sticking to what we know and what’s certain. But that must be beyond you....!!! Grab your little backpack and explore our beautiful France.... and don’t think you have to dictate to others what they’ve already learned or done. I think you’re on the wrong FORUM—"travelers’ thoughts and philosophical reflections!!!" You’re a troublemaker looking for controversy. REREAD YOURSELF.... there’s nothing more foolish than someone who thinks they know but doesn’t.... BOOM! As for the psychiatric asylum—"very worrying that you used such a word! You must know about it...!" To conclude, calm your nerves, and if you’re shocked, too bad for your ego. I find it a shame that your attitude has polluted such a great starting idea for all travelers. I FEEL SORRY FOR YOU. A thousand apologies to everyone reading this. Jupiteria.

I went on vacation in France, thanks for the tip.....!

No need for your backpacking advice about France..... Who do you think you are...!!! And with your two-bit criticisms on this forum, it wasn’t even worth writing such long posts just to vent your frustrations on everyone’s opinions. We all have the right—and THE DUTY—to express ourselves freely, so keep your JUDGMENTS to yourself—WE DON’T CARE....... Why don’t you set down *your* backpack for a bit.... it looks heavy to carry...!!! Probably the weight of your stupidity.

Hey Pierre-Yv,

Even though I like your take, I still want to point out that there isn’t just one "elsewhere"—there are countless. As Le Chat put it, "elsewhere" is everywhere except here. When you live in France, for example, you just have to go to another European country to be somewhere else, without necessarily rushing off to the poorest countries on the planet. And why couldn’t things be better elsewhere? In some cases, the job market might be kinder, the healthcare system more efficient, the bureaucracy less overwhelming—sometimes all of that can even come together. And then, that "elsewhere" you visited for a trip can feel really appealing...

Totally agree with you...!!!! France isn’t "wonderland."

Bonjour Jupiteria, Effectivement, curieuse distraction n'est-il pas ? Chère Jupiteria, voulez-vous regarder ce que j'ai dit cette nuit à 994 : ... seul compte le voyage et c'est tout !.. En gros, si 994 privilégie ce genre, je le laisse à ses amusements et me consacre aux miens, au demeurant fort différents, et c'est tant mieux pour moi ! Il est vrai que lorsque je voyage au Viêt Nam, pratiquant parfaitement la langue locale, je laisse parfois dire certaines plaisanteries à mon sujet, puis rétorque dans le vocabulaire du cru avec contrepèteries et autres jeux de mots ; mais là, nous rions tous ensemble et il n'est pas rare que nous finissions en partageant un bon thé ou quelque gourmandise. C'est tout de même plus drôle que le jeu de cache cache avec ses concitoyens, enfin pour moi ! Amitiés forumistes et à bientôt.— Vietalier.

Cher Monsieur,

Laissons tomber le jeux pour lequel, vous comme moi, n'y COMPRENONS RIEN d'après 994. Lorsque l'on possède l'âme d'un voyageur, c'est donner la priorité à tout ce qui doit l'être, ouvrir son coeur, ses yeux, ses oreilles, ses sens, c'est un lâcher prise extraordinaire pour une richesse et une ouverture d'esprit QUI NE PEUT EN AUCUN CAS faire place à de prètendus calculs, à savoir vers qui aller et ne pas aller!!!! à qui parler, pas parler, que de COMPLICATIONS inutiles......mais il est vrai....c'est un jeu, mais un jeu "de l'oie" pour finir case "prison". Bravo pour votre humour et belle humeur, restons sereins, car comme vous l'avez dit "seul compte le voyage et c'est tout"!. Très bonne continuation à vous. Cordialement. Jupitera.

Je crois que tu n'as pas compris. A prague, c'etait comme un jeu d'etre tout pres d'autres quebecois et de ne pas parler. Ce n'etait en rien un manque de sociabilité. D'un autre coté, ceux qui en voyage, cherchent des gens de leur nationalité, ne demontrent pas necessairement de la sociabilité mais peut etre ( pour certain), une insecurité. Pour certains, etre entouré de gens "connus" est tres securisant. Cela n'est pas mon cas.

Bonne journée

DRÔLE DE JEU, j'en connais des meilleurs....!!!Pour ma part et de mon propre avis perso, lorsqu'on voyage vraiment c'est que l'on a le GOÛT du voyage et DU CONTACT, quel que soit le lieux où les personnes......!!!

Hi, Moving abroad for sunshine! That’s one "ELSEWHERE" that makes sense....!!! Good luck to you. Still, I wanted to point out that in many other countries, women experience the same things we do in France—but there’s still a lot to improve regarding women’s conditions, even in France. Best regards.

Hello, I wish you an excellent trip around the world. You're right, and I think this introspection will illuminate your inner path—and who knows, it might even give you the key to how and where to live your future! Best regards.

"It seems to me that elsewhere is what we don’t know" Yes, just like the Little Prince of Saint-Exupéry...!!! Philosophical thoughts... yes, but that wonderful elsewhere in our minds might magically end up existing... WHO KNOWS...!!!

Thanks for your feedback—it’s wise and realistic. So, I guess I’ll just keep dreaming...!!! Take care.

Coucou, pas d'emballements....cher Monsieur, je trouve tellement belle la vie lors d'échanges avec d'autres, que voilà, ne soyez pas vexé...il n'y à pas lieu!!!! Moulin, je connais, belle petite ville. Bonne continuation à vous.😏

As soon as I return to France, I catch myself thinking, "it’s better elsewhere." Wherever we’ve been, I feel this lightness of living—less restriction, less pressure, less sadness—and I start dreaming of somewhere else, of living somewhere else, a simpler life, more authentic, with colors everywhere: markets, clothes, homes...!!! Meeting kindred spirits, genuine people, gentle and kind, and letting go of all this modernism, this technological rat race, the indifference toward others, the confinement, the racism against the elderly in France, against the poor, the weak, the beautiful... fleeing the news, politics, jealousy, meanness, stupidity, greed... And in my moments of clarity, I tell myself that every country, every city has its pros and cons, and that maybe the best of all worlds isn’t down here. But I also remind myself that you have to know how to COME BACK in order to LEAVE again... yet still...!!! IS IT REALLY BETTER ELSEWHERE?😏😏😏

ABSURDE....mais bon!!!!