Why do we always think that "ELSEWHERE" is better than our own country?
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As soon as I return to France, I catch myself thinking, "it’s better elsewhere." Wherever we’ve been, I feel this lightness of living—less restriction, less pressure, less sadness—and I start dreaming of somewhere else, of living somewhere else, a simpler life, more authentic, with colors everywhere: markets, clothes, homes...!!! Meeting kindred spirits, genuine people, gentle and kind, and letting go of all this modernism, this technological rat race, the indifference toward others, the confinement, the racism against the elderly in France, against the poor, the weak, the beautiful... fleeing the news, politics, jealousy, meanness, stupidity, greed... And in my moments of clarity, I tell myself that every country, every city has its pros and cons, and that maybe the best of all worlds isn’t down here. But I also remind myself that you have to know how to COME BACK in order to LEAVE again... yet still...!!! IS IT REALLY BETTER ELSEWHERE?😏😏😏
AM Americas Veteran ·
Hi Juliette,

That’s a great reflection on everyday life and the questions I used to ask myself when traveling in Latin America or elsewhere, searching for something I wasn’t getting while living in France. When I returned home, I often felt nostalgia for the countries and people I’d discovered during my travels.

Then, while living in a country other than my own, I—like most residents—"learned" to criticize what didn’t work the way I wanted, to dislike certain aspects of the society around me, and sometimes even to think that the country I’d left wasn’t as dull as I’d imagined.

When traveling for a few weeks or months in a country that isn’t your own, you often have an idealized image of the places you were so determined to discover, no matter what style of travel you use. The backpacker will likely get closer to the local population and see it through a different lens than someone staying in luxury hotels and only moving around on organized tours to explore the country’s architectural wonders. But even with this way of traveling closely among the people, something fundamental is missing to truly understand the country: living like its inhabitants do every day—working with them, sharing all their daily concerns.

To the question, "Why do we always think that *elsewhere* is better than our own country?" we probably can’t answer it without having truly lived *elsewhere*—to see if anything from our home country ends up missing... and when the sum of all those little things adds up to a lot, we realize that our homeland, despite its flaws, is often much *better* than the others.
On ne voyage pas pour chercher son destin mais pour fuir l’endroit d’où on est parti. (Miguel de Unamuno) L'homme est un dieu quand il rêve, et un mendiant quand il réfléchit (Friedrich Holderlin)
KA Kalchaqui Veteran ·
To that question "Why do we always think that 'ELSEWHERE' is better than our own country," we certainly can't answer it without having truly lived "elsewhere" to know if anything we loved about our home country ends up missing... and when the sum of all those little things adds up to a lot, we realize that the country of our roots, despite its flaws, is often much "better" than the others.

Totally agree...
CI Citipati Veteran ·
From my perspective, this reflection really only holds true for "relatively" short trips (a few months at most), because you quickly start to see the limits of that societal detachment. It also assumes you're in good health.

Take Nepal, for example:

I feel particularly at ease and detached from any material needs when I'm there. Simply because all those French administrative "duties" are absent—no taxes, no TV license fees, no random paperwork X or Y, no EDF/GDF bills, no internet contracts. Life is simpler in a way. But when I had to register as a student at KTM University and open a bank account, believe me, I needed all the help from my Nepali contacts to navigate that administration, which is horribly more difficult (and corrupt) than our good old France.

Likewise, being sick in France versus Nepal... There’s a huge gap between the two. I hope you never have to deal with anything more serious than a cold in Nepal. It gets expensive fast at the country’s only well-equipped clinic, or you have to be ready to step back 80 years and endure the crowds at Bir Hospital (Kathmandu’s public hospital, just to give a concrete example).

Having lived through this, I’ve really come to put expatriation and the idea of "it’s always better elsewhere" into perspective. You have to accept that, while we may find plenty of flaws in our everyday lives, there are also plenty of advantages alongside them.
JE Jeanbrfr Veteran ·
For me, elsewhere is inside us—within our visions, our sensitivity, our openness, and our ability to manage these different elements 😉

I took the liberty of broadening the idea: elsewhere is what we don’t know 😎 And it’s often wonderful 😎
Le ciel c'est comme la mer à l’envers,

Par dessus tout, c'est la joie qui m'en impose,

Et je vends ma sublime 500 Royal Enfield, qui se bronze à GOA !
JU Jupiteria ·
Thanks for your feedback—it’s wise and realistic. So, I guess I’ll just keep dreaming...!!! Take care.
JU Jupiteria ·
"It seems to me that elsewhere is what we don’t know" Yes, just like the Little Prince of Saint-Exupéry...!!! Philosophical thoughts... yes, but that wonderful elsewhere in our minds might magically end up existing... WHO KNOWS...!!!
VI Viléna Veteran ·
For me, elsewhere lies within us

Knowing yourself is quite a journey... 🙂

It seems to me that elsewhere is what we don’t know

True... But do we really know here?
Je suis Charlie.

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https://secure.avaaz.org/fr/petition/Au_Ministre_de_la_Justice_et_des_Libertes_Mustapha_Ramid_Que_justice_soit_faite/?sNxSXbb
HE Henridusud Globetrotter ·
Many people believe that life is better somewhere else than in their own country—these are the economic migrants who come from the Global South (Africa or Latin America) to the Global North (Europe or North America). They must have their reasons....
"Le touriste apparait comme le principal agent de diffusion du mépris anti touristique. Plus le touriste se voit en miroir de l'autre, plus il le déteste".

JEAN DIDIER URBAIN "L'idiot du voyage"
AT Atila Globetrotter ·
As soon as I return to France, I tell myself "it's better elsewhere."

Personally, I tend to think: "how lucky I am to have been born in France!"

Oh well...😉
JE Jeanbrfr Veteran ·
yeah, but that elsewhere we imagine as so wonderful might just magically come true... WHO KNOWS...!!!

Yeah, for me that would be the goal 😎
Le ciel c'est comme la mer à l’envers,

Par dessus tout, c'est la joie qui m'en impose,

Et je vends ma sublime 500 Royal Enfield, qui se bronze à GOA !
JE Jeanbrfr Veteran ·
True... But do we really know the here?

Not really—we actually don’t know much. We have a lot of information but very little experience 😉
Le ciel c'est comme la mer à l’envers,

Par dessus tout, c'est la joie qui m'en impose,

Et je vends ma sublime 500 Royal Enfield, qui se bronze à GOA !
KE Kedor Globetrotter ·
Hey Pierre-Yv,

Even though I appreciate your perspective, I still want to remind you that there isn’t just one "elsewhere"—there are countless. As Le Chat put it, "elsewheres" are everywhere, except here. When you live in France, for example, you just have to go to another European country to be somewhere else, without necessarily rushing off to the poorest countries on the planet. And why wouldn’t things be better elsewhere? In some cases, the job market might be more forgiving, the healthcare system more efficient, the bureaucracy less overwhelming—sometimes all of that can even come together. And then, that "elsewhere" you visited, even just for a trip, can feel really appealing...
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KO Kola Globetrotter ·
There's something odd about that capitalized ELSEWHERE—the one this discussion is about. It feels like a fantasized place, an imagined location that we shouldn’t actually reach...

"It was better before." "It’s better somewhere else..." The past or some distant place with a softened reality, refuge spots that some would dream of escaping to when, here and now, daily life feels too heavy.
DJ Djalma Globetrotter ·
For me, elsewhere is within us, in our visions, our sensitivity, our openness, our knowledge in managing these different components 😉

I took the liberty of broadening the proposition—it seems to me that elsewhere is what we don’t know 😎 And it’s often wonderful 😎

I totally share this opinion... Could this "country" we search for, covet, and fantasize about—this "Shangri-La"—simply be a hidden part of our soul? A piece of our deepest personality, buried by life’s circumstances, education, rejection by others, exclusion, or even racism for some? And could all our travels in the "real" world toward this longed-for elsewhere actually just be a transposition into our so-called "real" world of a need for an "inner journey"? A quest into the depths of ourselves, searching for those forgotten pieces of who we are?

I spent my childhood in the gloom of one of the most sordid housing projects in the inner suburbs of Paris; everything I saw around me was nothing but ugliness... Years later, in my nighttime dreams, I’ve often found myself wandering those same soulless streets of my childhood neighborhood, which I’d circled so many times I knew them by heart—there was nothing new to discover, and yet... around the corner of an alley, a vacant lot would suddenly appear, and I’d head toward it... After a few hundred meters... Oh! Surprise! A wonderful landscape would emerge—a hidden valley bursting with a thousand colors and intoxicating scents, with pure water fountains, trees laden with exotic fruit, houses with astonishing architecture inhabited by joyful people—basically, a kind of Paradise. In my dream, I’d ask myself: "How is it that you never discovered this place sooner, when it was so close to home?" Couldn’t this elsewhere simply be an unknown part of our inner being, suddenly surfacing at certain opportune moments in our lives—one that simply deserves our attention and consideration?
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OL Olilie ·
Isn’t the important thing finding a place where you feel good? Whether it’s in your home country or somewhere else... Every place has its strengths and weaknesses, just like each of us. For everyone, it’s always better somewhere else—like that old saying, "It was better before, in my day..." The unknown makes us dream, while we know our own home, which can be reassuring too... Is "elsewhere" really better? Something to think about...
AV Aveyron Regular ·
hello, we think the same way... when we return to our farm, we're happy to find our work and our animals again, even though our travels around the world have enchanted us. We love leaving, and we love coming back... but in three years, we'll be leaving to work elsewhere... probably somewhere sunny... Is it better elsewhere? Not necessarily—happiness is within us! We're happy in Aveyron because we chose to be, despite the rain... despite the drop in prices for our products, despite all kinds of profiteers... so we'll be happy wherever we decide to go... The only thing I'm aware of is that, as a woman, we're happiest in France... Freedom to live, to think, to dress—and we need to be aware of that. Happy travels!

Nadine Lescure and Patric Lescure
nad et pat
KE Kedor Globetrotter ·
The only thing I'm aware of is that as women, we're happiest in France..

Oh really? Are you sure?
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AV Aveyron Regular ·
oh yes, I'm sure of it.. give me examples to the contrary.. but above all: you have to be a free woman—or not even a man—to talk about it, right?
nad et pat
H3 H3don1st ·
Hi Juliette,

I’ve often had the same thought after returning from trips, and I agree with most of the replies about idealizing "elsewhere." It’s human nature, after all—if we actually moved to a country where we feel great on vacation and started living and working like the locals, we’d probably end up finding things to complain about in our new daily life.

So what’s the solution? Constant movement to avoid getting used to anything? Always skimming the surface to stay amazed without growing jaded? Or, as some say, is happiness something we declare? Is happiness, as Saint Augustine put it, about continuing to desire what we already have? I think everyone has to find their own answer.

For me, I’ve just dropped everything and I’m setting off on a year-long (minimum) trip around the world, hoping the perspective I gain will help me see my idea of happiness a little more clearly.
Si j’ai l’occasion, j’aimerais mieux mourir de mon vivant! Coluche.
AV Aveyron Regular ·
hello and safe travels while we wait for your experience feedback...

pat and nad from l'aveyron
nad et pat
KE Kedor Globetrotter ·
There are quite a few European countries where the gender pay gap is smaller than in France. There are quite a few European countries where parental leave can be taken freely by either the father or the mother, leaving the couple to decide who continues their career. There are quite a few European countries where being a woman doesn’t lead to any discrimination, negative or positive. There are quite a few European countries where the "head of the household" isn’t automatically a man. In quite a few European countries, fundamental rights (like the right to vote or the right to work without a husband’s consent) were granted to women decades, if not centuries, before France... France, like on many other issues, is pretty backward when it comes to real gender equality.

Another point: you know absolutely nothing about the happiness or unhappiness of women in other countries who, by our standards, have outdated customs and legislation. I’m not convinced that a female executive living in the 92 area, working her fingers to the bone to afford her Audi A6 and her apartment with a view, is necessarily happier than the Mongolian nomad who lives with her husband, children, and herd in a yurt... Yet, in that case, the roles of men and women are very clearly defined, and to us Westerners, they seem completely outdated.
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AV Aveyron Regular ·
I won’t argue about it... I know one thing for sure—me... I feel free and happy in France, and it’s through my own feelings and my own story that I feel privileged. In France... (or European countries!!! I should’ve added that too...) After all, if you’re a woman (and I don’t think that’s your case!), happiness belongs to each of us... based on our religion, our experiences, and our history. But in my eyes, I know many women are oppressed. Thank you for understanding that everyone’s freedom depends on so many factors. Mine lead me to think and say that, as a woman, I’m happy to live in France. I won’t stay here forever, but I have the right to feel that way. Have a great day
nad et pat
KE Kedor Globetrotter ·
thank you for understanding that everyone's freedom depends on many criteria.. mine lead me to think and say that as a woman, I'm happy to live in France

That’s exactly why, Nadine, I raised an eyebrow at your statement. There’s no rule that says "women are happier here or there"—the same goes for men. I’m glad you feel good in France, and no one should question or comment on that. What bothered me was the impression that you were making it a general rule 🙂
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AV Aveyron Regular ·
No, I was comparing myself and knowing that some women whom I find pitiful consider themselves happy... I love Mankind with a capital M too much to respect, love, and go meet them during our travels... And in our choice of countries in 3 years, we’ll pay attention to lots of criteria (freedom, landscape beauty, people’s hospitality, sunshine ;) etc.) Have a great week
nad et pat
AT Atila Globetrotter ·
There’s no rule stating that "women are happier here or there"—the same goes for men.

Gross National Happiness in Bhutan?

Or, more prosaically, a map of non-economic migration flows...

Why leave a country if you’re happy there?
KE Kedor Globetrotter ·
Gross National Happiness in Bhutan?

Forgive me for not taking this too seriously... especially coming from Bhutan, where respect for fundamental rights is, shall we say, unique.

Or more prosaically, a map of non-economic migration flows... Why leave a country if you're happy there?

Sure, but that doesn’t apply to the whole planet.... Especially since those who emigrate don’t represent the entire population. Some people were very happy in the USSR for the exact same reasons that drove so many others to flee.
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AT Atila Globetrotter ·
Some people were very happy in the USSR for the exact same reasons that drove so many others to flee.

Your "Some" still sounds like "few." While your "So many others" tastes like "a lot"...

(Okay, the majority isn’t always right, but still...)

So I’ll keep population flight as an indicator of a region’s distress.
KE Kedor Globetrotter ·
Attila, of course—I used a dramatic example to make my point. But you can be happy in France for the same reasons you might be unhappy there. Believe me, I know what I'm talking about 😉

When it comes to statistics, I’m the first to use them, so I can only agree that if there’s a massive exodus from one region to others, there’s clearly a problem.
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DA DavidetNina ·
Leaving! I’ll never come back, I’ll never come back because you never really do, The place you return to is always different. The station you return to is a different station. It’s no longer the same people, nor the same light, nor the same philosophy.

Leaving! My God, leaving! Yes, I’m afraid to leave!

Fernando Pessoa - Excerpt: "out there, I don’t know where..."
JU Jupiteria ·
Hello, I wish you an excellent trip around the world. You're right, and I think this introspection will illuminate your inner path—and who knows, it might even give you the key to how and where to live your future! Best regards.
JU Jupiteria ·
Hi, Moving abroad for sunshine! That’s one "ELSEWHERE" that makes sense....!!! Good luck to you. Still, I wanted to point out that in many other countries, women experience the same things we do in France—but there’s still a lot to improve regarding women’s conditions, even in France. Best regards.
AV Aveyron Regular ·
Hello, thank you for your encouragement.. You're right, but I'm speaking for myself here.. I've always had the position I wanted.. Maybe I had to fight a bit harder than men in the environment I was in (agricultural union circles), but I made it. I believe that in France, everything is provided (and in other countries too, of course) for a woman to be free to do, think, and act.. (look at well-known women in agriculture, like Christiane Lambert, whom I admire), but some women have to want it! Have a good day
nad et pat
VI Vietalier Regular ·
Yes, Americas is right, but only partly. Indeed, wherever we go, we always carry our own Spanish inn with us, and inevitably, we find ourselves wanting to tweak this or that to match our own standards—even when it makes sense! As a building and civil engineering technician, I often step in with Vietnamese masonry companies to point out, with calculations to back it up, that the way they work leads to massive waste of materials and rebar, which seriously eats into their budgets and profits. Even though it’s none of my business, the urge to intervene still itches at the tip of my tongue. I do it tactfully, selflessly, and for the good of people who didn’t have the chance to go to school for long... That said, I’d never ask for any thanks—my joy lies in sharing with others, without seeing myself as St. Martin, who gave half his coat to the poor man who was cold. Best to everyone contributing to V-Forum. — Vietalier
Cela dépend de l'humeur du moment et va de Jean-Claude à Viet à lier.
JU Jupiteria ·
Hey Pierre-Yv,

Even though I like your take, I still want to point out that there isn’t just one "elsewhere"—there are countless. As Le Chat put it, "elsewhere" is everywhere except here. When you live in France, for example, you just have to go to another European country to be somewhere else, without necessarily rushing off to the poorest countries on the planet. And why couldn’t things be better elsewhere? In some cases, the job market might be kinder, the healthcare system more efficient, the bureaucracy less overwhelming—sometimes all of that can even come together. And then, that "elsewhere" you visited for a trip can feel really appealing...

Totally agree with you...!!!! France isn’t "wonderland."
FC Fc42000 ·
Hi there,

I don’t feel unhappy in France because I accept its little annoyances while being grateful for the quality of life it gives me (healthcare, education, comfort, etc.). Happiness only depends on how we perceive things, our tolerance toward our fellow citizens, and how we adapt to daily frustrations...

I have nothing against expatriation—I’ve lived it before and will likely do it again—but I don’t see it as running away from the country in search of happiness. Instead, it’s an enriching experience that allows me to come back with a more open mind. I don’t think anywhere else is better than my country, nor the opposite—it’s just different.
VI Vietalier Regular ·
Exactly, Jupiteria-Alice. Best wishes from Vietalier and have a great Sunday.
Cela dépend de l'humeur du moment et va de Jean-Claude à Viet à lier.
LO Loicfouq ·
It's true, we think the grass is greener elsewhere, but I actually believe it's because we don't know our own country well enough. I thought I knew everything about France, and I dreamed of other places. I ended up with the mirage of the Vahine, white sandy beaches, coconut trees... You're talking about those idealized postcard images? There's another truth behind them, but it's not in just a few days—or even several months or a year—that you can discover it.

I've been living in Tahiti for over thirty years. Paradise? Yes, for tourists and the wealthy (and at one time, for the military), but the reality goes far beyond that.

Now, I look at France through the internet, and I realize I was completely wrong. I miss my France, and I dream about it.

My blog is very revealing—I express myself as best I can. I'd love to see it again, but will I ever be able to?
les voyages forme la jeunesse, la preuve j'ai 20 ans (dans ma tête )
SY Sylviasenva Regular ·
Interesting discussion. I’ll chime in (or add my two cents, as they say) because for once, we’re not just showing off or getting personal.

After 7 months of traveling, I still can’t answer the recurring question: *Which country did you like best?* If I arrive with positive preconceptions, I’m disappointed; if I arrive with negative ones, I’m pleasantly surprised. So I’ve learned to be wary of statements like “the people are so nice” or the opposite. There are plenty of things I don’t like about France, but just as many in every country I’ve visited. Is there really a “better elsewhere”? Yes… and no. Yes, if expatriation meets a material need (sunshine, standard of living, recognition), but no if that desire is driven by the idealized vision of a perfect country. How many expats today would admit they were wrong? What I mean is that this inability to face reality (as with other issues in our own country) will probably lead other dreamers to make the same mistakes… In short, I hate generalizations because I know they’re biased by the desire to see only what pleases us, what doesn’t hurt, and/or what avoids self-questioning.

On a side note—but not unrelated—I’d like to clarify a few things. Almost every discussion on this forum makes me cringe because the reality of behaviors on the ground (if I may put it that way) is fundamentally different. If it’s impossible in France to discuss a sensitive topic without it turning into a personal attack, the same goes here. I read all these “super REAL travelers” criticizing those who don’t share their opinions or travel differently, who boast about being more open-minded, more objective, closer to locals (yeah, right! That’s a whole debate in itself), yet they never fail to slip in an “I” here and there and ultimately repeat the same flaws elsewhere. So I hold back from replying like Attila (who I hope will forgive the reference, because I’ve often stumbled upon those remarks by chance, and they were spot-on. Unfortunately, not all truths are easy to hear).

Since we’re here to exchange opinions, here’s mine: If the underlying question is *Does a wonderful world exist?* The answer is no. The need for an “elsewhere” only becomes “better” if it truly matches a personal desire to live differently—accepting both the advantages and disadvantages that come with it. It’s a choice that shouldn’t be based on an ideal. Just because living a certain way appeals to Paul doesn’t mean it will appeal to Jacques…

Be careful not to base your choices on others’ experiences to fill the disappointments caused by the downsides of your own country. Rest assured, you’ll encounter new ones. Whether they’re worse or better, you’ll be the only judge.

It’s always unhealthy when people try to convince others that their life choices are the best or the most fantastic—because it often hides something else. Keep that in mind.

As a self-proclaimed moralist, I bid you farewell (laughs). Joking aside, given the various discussions I’ve had with future expats, it seemed important to share a few reflections to consider before embarking on the “great adventure,” which can turn into a nightmare if it’s only about “living life to the fullest before dying.” Because it’s also about being able to live as long as possible. And life expectancy is often tied to quality of life. Quality of life?! Oh, isn’t that exactly what we’re all looking for? Didn’t some of us already realize that? Personally, I tend to agree with them.

Good luck reading this wall of text—I’m off to continue my journey…

PS: To Jupiteria: May I suggest a little exercise to answer your questions? Try backpacking in France with the same mindset you had while traveling… You might discover another side of France. Who knows, your “elsewhere” might be closer than you think ;) It’s doable—hostels, mobile homes, chalets, small studios, available monthly or weekly.
Vivre pleinement, c'est rester libre de ses choix.
SY Sylviasenva Regular ·
😮 Sorry about the typos, there was a little glitch. My words were so fond of each other they just stuck together 😇
Vivre pleinement, c'est rester libre de ses choix.
GI Gilnado ·
It’s not easy to answer this question. Elsewhere often seems better simply because it’s new. Once the novelty wears off (for example, if you live somewhere else long enough), you start to see the attractions and shortcomings of your own home more clearly. Every culture has its strengths and weaknesses. There’s no such thing as an ideal culture. Some are more favorable for women’s empowerment, others are more permissive for men, some promote healthy eating or harmony with nature, while others prioritize the collective over the individual. Our views on this depend on our age, gender, cultural background, financial situation, and current needs. Poor countries can be paradise for the rich. Western countries are often mistakenly seen as an eldorado by citizens of poorer nations. Personally, I feel stifled by the over-regulation in our Western countries and really appreciate living and driving in places that are less organized. But when I see that a wealthy driver in a country like Cambodia can hit a poor person and get away with it by paying less than $500 to the victim’s family, I realize my own country has a lot more to offer. I love that in poorer countries, I can get basic medical services for a reasonable cost without waiting in line like I would at home. On the other hand, I know that if I ever needed advanced treatment, it would be better in my own country. There’s no paradise on Earth—just places and people to discover and appreciate for a time. When you’re sick, you always want to return to your roots. That said, when you’re healthy, you should take the chance to explore the diversity of landscapes and cultures around the world. And above all, never go elsewhere assuming your culture is superior to others. What works for us might not work in another context. It’s important to keep an open mind and not judge others based on our own beliefs and habits. Easier said than done, though.
FI Fidjigirl ·
😎Hi Jupitéria

I think when we travel, we also explore other facets of our personality and temperament—we don’t see things the same way.

Personally, I’m in love with Asia, but I stay very clear-eyed. I realize we have plenty of reasons to be happy living in France... our social rights, for example (even if they’re eroding due to abuses), our working hours (across Asia, people don’t get paid leave—or very little—and don’t have set weekly hours; they work hard).

I complain—believe me—about the weather, which I don’t like, especially in the Paris region... but monsoons are tough, and at least for now, our climate remains relatively stable.

Of course, the French are chronic complainers, and I’m no exception... I grumble about politicians—though I won’t risk prison for it—I moan about public transport (but I know we’re well-served, at least in cities), I gripe about immigration, and a whole bunch of other things. Yes, there’s ageism, racism against older people, and against the attractive, our endless grievances... but France is still a pretty privileged country, even if those in power try to make us believe otherwise every day.

I still feel more welcome in Asia than tourists do in France (especially in Paris), but isn’t that an illusion? And as someone who’s crazy about animals, it’s not always a dream here—but when I see the conditions animals endure in Asia (most of the time), I feel pretty awful.

Best regards,
Vivre au maximum
DE Desivry Veteran ·
As soon as I get back to France, I think to myself, "it's better elsewhere." IS IT REALLY BETTER ELSEWHERE?😏😏😏

I think you feel better elsewhere because you're on vacation there, whereas in France, you're working. Take a vacation in France—you'll see you get that same sense of freedom.
CA Camster ·
You're absolutely right, unfortunately!
MB Mber Regular ·
I think every traveler feels this at some point or another... Who hasn't thought, "I'd love to settle down here, to live here." My life experience led me to leave France for about ten years, and I loved that period, which I don’t call expatriation because the country where I lived became my home—I learned the language, worked there, and my daughter was born there... I wanted to stay forever, and only a difficult political situation made me give up, as it’s a Middle Eastern country. I didn’t want to take the risk of raising my daughter in that tense climate, so I came back.

But even though I loved that country, I found politics, power, grumps, jealous people, the greedy, and my life wasn’t any simpler or more authentic. I had problems, professional difficulties, anxieties—just the same as anywhere. It’s just life in society. Wherever you go, there’s a core of human nature that stays the same. I didn’t meet people rejecting modernity (the Bedouins have had cell phones and TV for a long time). In the East, many people envy our individualism, what you call "isolation" or "indifference," because they dream of living without the whole neighborhood or family meddling in their business. A little indifference would be a relief for them! As for what you call "racism" against the elderly, the weak, or the beautiful (I hadn’t heard of that last one), don’t forget that in France, society is organized so that as few people as possible are left behind. It doesn’t always work, but the intention is there and recognized by all. In the country where I lived, when you’re old, you’d better have children who love you and are willing to take care of you—otherwise... the same goes if you’re sick or need care (15 years ago, I paid $10,000 to give birth, 3 days in the hospital with no complications... luckily, money wasn’t an issue, but still). And I won’t even get into the cost of pediatric consultations, but I totally understand those who take the opportunity to get treated in France while traveling. In conclusion, I’d say NO, it’s not better ELSEWHERE—it’s just different. You can have an extraordinary experience in another country; you should try it. But don’t idealize elsewhere. Being a traveler passing through (even if you stay for months) and living in a country after cutting ties with France are two very different things.
AL Alexmarc ·
Good evening, I totally agree with you—200%! I’ve been living in Canada for over a year now, and I’ve felt (and still feel) the same things you’re describing. Even with the crisis and its flaws, France isn’t so bad after all.
Alex
AN Andrémarin ·
Hello Jupiteria, I think the answer to your question is personal. There are coral or rock fish that only find safety by staying close to the rock that serves as their refuge. For fast-water fish, it's a different adventure. Migratory creatures of all kinds (if we can say that) find, at the right time, their salvation in elsewhere, which shouldn’t stop them from appreciating the good spots. What I’m certain of is that when you can afford to travel, it really gets your neurons firing. For me, the best trips are those where you decide the itinerary yourself, find the means of transport, the lodgings, share food with locals, strike up conversations, make friends along the way, take an interest in their lives, outsmart the predators with a smile, help if possible, and face nature head-on. Then, when you return to France after admiring how other peoples adapt to incredible living conditions, recognizing their courage and intelligence as at least equal to ours, you realize the French are sulking like spoiled brats. But you have to admit, seeing from the plane the layout of our villages clustered around a church steeple and all that bears witness to the past is moving. So, for me, traveling is an undeniable plus—essential or not. But seeking elsewhere at all costs is simply unwise.
Andrémarin, Payador.
FA Fatman Regular ·
Isn’t the main thing that "somewhere else" is just different from home?
JU Jupiteria ·
No need for your backpacking advice about France..... Who do you think you are...!!! And with your two-bit criticisms on this forum, it wasn’t even worth writing such long posts just to vent your frustrations on everyone’s opinions. We all have the right—and THE DUTY—to express ourselves freely, so keep your JUDGMENTS to yourself—WE DON’T CARE....... Why don’t you set down *your* backpack for a bit.... it looks heavy to carry...!!! Probably the weight of your stupidity.
JU Jupiteria ·
I went on vacation in France, thanks for the tip.....!

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