Merci de votre aide
Agences sur Hanoï ou Sapa pour séjour aventure-trek en groupe au nord Vietnam?
by Rastaspliff
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Bonjour,
J ai regardé avec intérêt les sujets du forum. Je suis à la recherche d un séjour avanture en groupe et voulais savoir si des agences sur Hanoi ou sapa répondez à ce critère. Nous (moi et ma copine) souhaitons faire un trek de plusieurs jours (4-5-6 jours) dans la région de sapa.
Merci de votre aide
Merci de votre aide
Vous allez avoir du mal à trouver un trek en groupe de 4 à 6 jours. En effet, la plupart des gens ne prennent qu'un trek de 2 ou 3 jours. A moins que vs ne contactiez une agence spécialisée dans le trekking. Pourquoi ne feriez pas plutôt un trek de 3 jours en groupe à Sapa et un de 3 jours en inviduels à Bac Ha ? Comme cela, vs verriez 2 aspects complètement différents des montagnes du Nord
Méfiez-vous de la vie, car les ratés ne vous rateront pas!
Merci Larsay pour ta réponse.
Ce que tu propose n est pas idiot du tout et je vais regarder ca de plus près.
Par contrée en quoi ce 2 coin du nord sont il différent ?
En fait je part dans 2 semaine t je n'ai toujours pas la moindre idée d'itinéraire mis à part les "classiques" HANOI, HALONG et SAPA (on est sur place 16 jour complet).
En règle général je me demande ce qui doit etre fait via agence (exemple trek vers sapa avec guide et nuit chez l(habitant) et ce qui peux se visiter seul. Je me demande également si il est préférable d'attaquer de suite avec HALONG ou de se laisser ce "dessert visuel" pour la fin.
Bref beaucoup de questions demeurent.... Merci encore ;)))))))))
En règle général je me demande ce qui doit etre fait via agence (exemple trek vers sapa avec guide et nuit chez l(habitant) et ce qui peux se visiter seul. Je me demande également si il est préférable d'attaquer de suite avec HALONG ou de se laisser ce "dessert visuel" pour la fin.
Bref beaucoup de questions demeurent.... Merci encore ;)))))))))
Les montagnes de Sapa ressemblent aux Alpes (les français les appelaient "Les Alpes tonkinoises") et sonttrès hautes (Fan Xi Pan : plus de 3000m) + toutes les minorités (h'mongs noirs, Dao, Dzai, etc.). Les montagnes au nord de Bac Ha sont moins hautes, couvertes de terraces de rizières et champs de maïs, et peuplées de h'mongs Fleurs (Plus les marchés locaux, notamment celui de Bac Ha le dimanche).
Je dirais Hanoi 2 jours, ensuite Halong, ensuite les montagnes, et terminer par 2 jours relax à Tam Coc (la baie d'Halong terrestre)
Je dirais Hanoi 2 jours, ensuite Halong, ensuite les montagnes, et terminer par 2 jours relax à Tam Coc (la baie d'Halong terrestre)
Méfiez-vous de la vie, car les ratés ne vous rateront pas!
Bonjour Larsay et merci pour votre réponse.
Après avoir longuement parcouru la toile nous pensons nous décider pour une expédition Ha Giang – Dong Van- Meo Vac – Bao Lac- lac babe. Nous sommes véritablement à la recherche d avanture et tout ce que nous avons pu lire jusqu à maintenant nus enchante!!!!
Je suis tombé par hasard sur ce topic écrit par vous même :
http://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=3338346;search_string=retour%20grandiose%20giang%20meo%20vac%20cao%20bang%20lang%20son%20vietnam%20D3338346
Pouvons nous vous demander votre aide pour organiser ce trek ? Savez vous où nous pouvons vous adresser pour effectuer ( dans l idéale en petit groupe) ce trek (d ailleurs est ce bien un trek ou plutôt un combiné moteur + marche).
Un grand merci d avance
Après avoir longuement parcouru la toile nous pensons nous décider pour une expédition Ha Giang – Dong Van- Meo Vac – Bao Lac- lac babe. Nous sommes véritablement à la recherche d avanture et tout ce que nous avons pu lire jusqu à maintenant nus enchante!!!!
Je suis tombé par hasard sur ce topic écrit par vous même :
http://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=3338346;search_string=retour%20grandiose%20giang%20meo%20vac%20cao%20bang%20lang%20son%20vietnam%20D3338346
Pouvons nous vous demander votre aide pour organiser ce trek ? Savez vous où nous pouvons vous adresser pour effectuer ( dans l idéale en petit groupe) ce trek (d ailleurs est ce bien un trek ou plutôt un combiné moteur + marche).
Un grand merci d avance
Avec le bon lien c'est mieu ;))))
http://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=2908624;search_string=retour%20grandiose%20giang%20meo%20vac%20cao%20bang%20lang%20son%20vietnam%20D3338346
http://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=2908624;search_string=retour%20grandiose%20giang%20meo%20vac%20cao%20bang%20lang%20son%20vietnam%20D3338346
Je ne comprends pas trop. En effet, le tour Ha Giang – Dong Van- Meo Vac – Bao Lac- lac babe.n'a rien avoir du trekn, c'est un tour que l'on peut faire de préférence en 4x4, ou en bus publics si vs n'avez pas le budget mais ce n'est pas facile ! Le trek, c'est Sapa et/ou Bac Ha, donc AVANT le tour?
Méfiez-vous de la vie, car les ratés ne vous rateront pas!
En effet, excusez mes approximations.
J'ai fouillé le net toute la journée et voici ce que je pense faire au final:
7/10 : arrivé Hanoi 8/10 : visite Hanoi et tour dans les agences + train de nuit pour BAC HA du 9/10 au 11/10 randonné de 3 jours deux nuits vers aux alentours de BAC HA 11/10 : route vers ha giang du 12/10 au 17/10 (6 jours): Tour HA GIANG - DONG VAN- MEO VAC- BOA LAC-LAC BABE. Du 18/10 au 21/10 : Croisière baie Halong du 21/10 au 23/10 : Halong terre puis départ le 23/10 à 23h30 d'HANOI.
Pensez vous cette esquisse de programme réalisable ? Notre budget : environ 1000€ / tête +/- 10%.
Dans chacun de nos précédant voyage que ce soit en Guyane, en Bolivie ou en Europe, nous avons recherché un brun d’aventure (sans pour autant la faire à l'INDIANA JONES) mais essayé de sortir des entier battu en laissant une petite place au hasard...
Il me demeure cependant quelques question :
-Conseillez vous un hotel en particulier sur HANOI pour notre arrivé ? J'aimerais faire une surprise à ma chère et tendre en lui réservant un bel endroit.
- J'ai lu sur certain forum qu'il existait des rando aux alentours de BAC HA un peu physique (mais pas trop) qui passait par la jungle. Cela vous dit il quelque-chose ?
- De façon plus générale, me conseillez vous de préparer tous cela en France, D'HANOI ou directement sur place dans les montagnes ? Il semble difficile de se débrouiller tout seul dans le "haut TONKIN" et d'un coup je doute ...,
- Les programmes proposé dans le "HAUT TONKIN" sont ils exculusievement des circuit 4*4 ? existe t il d'autre moyen (marche par exemple) pour faire ce chemin ?
Encore un grand merci pour votre aide. vos précédant message m'ont bien aidé à cadrer mon voyage ! plus que 2 semaines !!!!!
J'ai fouillé le net toute la journée et voici ce que je pense faire au final:
7/10 : arrivé Hanoi 8/10 : visite Hanoi et tour dans les agences + train de nuit pour BAC HA du 9/10 au 11/10 randonné de 3 jours deux nuits vers aux alentours de BAC HA 11/10 : route vers ha giang du 12/10 au 17/10 (6 jours): Tour HA GIANG - DONG VAN- MEO VAC- BOA LAC-LAC BABE. Du 18/10 au 21/10 : Croisière baie Halong du 21/10 au 23/10 : Halong terre puis départ le 23/10 à 23h30 d'HANOI.
Pensez vous cette esquisse de programme réalisable ? Notre budget : environ 1000€ / tête +/- 10%.
Dans chacun de nos précédant voyage que ce soit en Guyane, en Bolivie ou en Europe, nous avons recherché un brun d’aventure (sans pour autant la faire à l'INDIANA JONES) mais essayé de sortir des entier battu en laissant une petite place au hasard...
Il me demeure cependant quelques question :
-Conseillez vous un hotel en particulier sur HANOI pour notre arrivé ? J'aimerais faire une surprise à ma chère et tendre en lui réservant un bel endroit.
- J'ai lu sur certain forum qu'il existait des rando aux alentours de BAC HA un peu physique (mais pas trop) qui passait par la jungle. Cela vous dit il quelque-chose ?
- De façon plus générale, me conseillez vous de préparer tous cela en France, D'HANOI ou directement sur place dans les montagnes ? Il semble difficile de se débrouiller tout seul dans le "haut TONKIN" et d'un coup je doute ...,
- Les programmes proposé dans le "HAUT TONKIN" sont ils exculusievement des circuit 4*4 ? existe t il d'autre moyen (marche par exemple) pour faire ce chemin ?
Encore un grand merci pour votre aide. vos précédant message m'ont bien aidé à cadrer mon voyage ! plus que 2 semaines !!!!!
Je vous remercie pour vos messages malgré l intervention du modérateur !!!
Je sais aujourd'hui hui ou je veux aller et c est super ! Apres avoir contacté quelque agences, J ai de plus en plus envi de m organiser une fois sur place à Hanoi voir directement sur bac ha ou ha . Qu en pensez vous ?
Aussi je suis dans un dilemme , j aimerai realiser un trek sur plusieurs jours en groupe. Les agence contacté ne font que du privatif. Une fois sur place a bac ha vais je trouver mon bonheur? Et pour ha giang -beo lac en jeep ou moto ?
Merci d avance ;)))))
Je sais aujourd'hui hui ou je veux aller et c est super ! Apres avoir contacté quelque agences, J ai de plus en plus envi de m organiser une fois sur place à Hanoi voir directement sur bac ha ou ha . Qu en pensez vous ?
Aussi je suis dans un dilemme , j aimerai realiser un trek sur plusieurs jours en groupe. Les agence contacté ne font que du privatif. Une fois sur place a bac ha vais je trouver mon bonheur? Et pour ha giang -beo lac en jeep ou moto ?
Merci d avance ;)))))
Sur Bac Ha, aucune chance de trouver un groupe à rejoindre. Par contre il vous reste la possibilité de rencontrer des gens et d'arranger quelque chose avec eux.
Si vous deviez passer par Sapa, méfiez-vous des tours en groupe qui partent du côté de Lao Chai et Ta Van car il n'y a pas plus touristique comme excursion.
Si vous deviez passer par Sapa, méfiez-vous des tours en groupe qui partent du côté de Lao Chai et Ta Van car il n'y a pas plus touristique comme excursion.
Bonjour
Je vous remercie pour vos messages malgré l intervention du modérateur !!!
Je ne comprends pas cette phrase. Aucun de mes messages de cette discussion na été censuré à ce que je sache. Vous pouvez organiser tout cela en arrivant à Hanoi. On peut se rencontrer et je vous aiderai.Comme le dit Satoli, vous ne trouverez pas de trek de groupe à Bac Ha, et une jeep à Ha Giang va vous couter cher ! De plus, il faudra absolument la remener à Ha Giang. On verra tout cela à Hanoi
Je vous remercie pour vos messages malgré l intervention du modérateur !!!
Je ne comprends pas cette phrase. Aucun de mes messages de cette discussion na été censuré à ce que je sache. Vous pouvez organiser tout cela en arrivant à Hanoi. On peut se rencontrer et je vous aiderai.Comme le dit Satoli, vous ne trouverez pas de trek de groupe à Bac Ha, et une jeep à Ha Giang va vous couter cher ! De plus, il faudra absolument la remener à Ha Giang. On verra tout cela à Hanoi
Méfiez-vous de la vie, car les ratés ne vous rateront pas!
Si, Abalone (caramba encore lui) a eu une petite pensée émue à ton égard. Je me suis permis de le signaler et de lui répondre 🤪
C est pas a Sapa ou Bac Ha que vous trouverez l aventure, celle-ci est bien calibree. Et encore moins derriere les vitres d un 4X4. Que les locaux voient d un mauvais oeil. Vitesse excessive, projection de pierres, eclaboussures en roulant dans les flaques et tres tres peu d interaction avec eux quand on se cache derriere les vitres fumees 😕
Si vous voulez vraiment de l aventure, louer une moto 🙂 et on the road again !!!
Si vous voulez vraiment de l aventure, louer une moto 🙂 et on the road again !!!
Erreur, mon cher ! Sapa et Bac Ha sont entourés d'un labirynthe de pistes partant tous azimuts, et c'est très facile de faire des itinéraires en moto sur des pistes qui ne sont fréquentées que par les locaux, comme je le fais à chaque fois que j'y vais. Vous voulez des directions ??????
Et toutes les 4x4 n'ont pas des vitres fumées. D'ailleurs, merci de le signaler et conseil aux loueurs de voiture : exiger absolument une 4x4 aux vitres non fumées
Et toutes les 4x4 n'ont pas des vitres fumées. D'ailleurs, merci de le signaler et conseil aux loueurs de voiture : exiger absolument une 4x4 aux vitres non fumées
Méfiez-vous de la vie, car les ratés ne vous rateront pas!
Et bien dites donc vous êtes une bande de joyeux drilles sur VF Vietnam ! 😉
Je croyais que la zenitude venait d'Asie 😇
cordialement
Max
Je croyais que la zenitude venait d'Asie 😇
cordialement
Max
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Hi there,
We’re flying from Montreal to Lyon this August to go hiking in the French Alps. We’ve rented a car and will be staying at campgrounds. We’re planning to do day hikes and want to stay a few days in one spot, do a few hikes, then move on to our next camping spot. Could you share your favorite spots or any recommendations for places to spend a few days with great hikes?
A few details: We arrive in early August and leave in early September. We’re looking for day hikes (or shorter), moderate difficulty, with a cumulative elevation gain of no more than 1000m, and of course, beautiful scenery! We’d prefer not to drive too much—maybe it’s best not to head too far south and deal with unnecessary heat? Along the same lines, if you know of any great campgrounds where we can start our hike directly without needing the car, we’d love to hear your suggestions!
Thanks! :-)
A few details: We arrive in early August and leave in early September. We’re looking for day hikes (or shorter), moderate difficulty, with a cumulative elevation gain of no more than 1000m, and of course, beautiful scenery! We’d prefer not to drive too much—maybe it’s best not to head too far south and deal with unnecessary heat? Along the same lines, if you know of any great campgrounds where we can start our hike directly without needing the car, we’d love to hear your suggestions!
Thanks! :-)
Hi there,
I’m planning to go hiking on this island and would like to know the best time to do it. I visited for a few days in November 2018—not for hiking but just to explore—and the weather wasn’t great, especially in the mountains. So, is a star-shaped itinerary doable if I rent a car and maybe use two different accommodations?
I’m not planning to join an organized group—just traveling with one other person and organizing things ourselves—unless you’d recommend a local agency or guide. Finally, even though I’ll be getting maps, a topo guide, and a GPS, I’d really appreciate your top hiking recommendations. Thanks so much for your tips!
I’m not planning to join an organized group—just traveling with one other person and organizing things ourselves—unless you’d recommend a local agency or guide. Finally, even though I’ll be getting maps, a topo guide, and a GPS, I’d really appreciate your top hiking recommendations. Thanks so much for your tips!
Hi there,
I’m planning to do the Mercantour crossing following the Randoxygène route in mid-July. I’m used to hiking in the mountains, but I sometimes get vertigo, for example on ridges with drops on both sides. I wanted to check if there are any T4 or T3-T4 sections and find out if there are any very exposed passages—and if so, where—so I can plan an alternative route. Can anyone give me some info on this? Thanks!
I’m planning to do the Mercantour crossing following the Randoxygène route in mid-July. I’m used to hiking in the mountains, but I sometimes get vertigo, for example on ridges with drops on both sides. I wanted to check if there are any T4 or T3-T4 sections and find out if there are any very exposed passages—and if so, where—so I can plan an alternative route. Can anyone give me some info on this? Thanks!
hi there,
I’m planning a trip around Cap Corse and the AGRIATES in 2026, from May 8th to 15th (there are still 2 spots left, by the way! Just DM me if you're interested).
I’d love to know which hikes are worth prioritizing in the AGRIATES. We’ll be staying in SALECCIA for two days as our base—what should we focus on from there? A round trip to IGNHU beach? Any other suggestions? For Ostricano, I think it’s too far for a round trip... Thanks for your tips! Have a great day, Anie, Toulouse
I’m planning a trip around Cap Corse and the AGRIATES in 2026, from May 8th to 15th (there are still 2 spots left, by the way! Just DM me if you're interested).
I’d love to know which hikes are worth prioritizing in the AGRIATES. We’ll be staying in SALECCIA for two days as our base—what should we focus on from there? A round trip to IGNHU beach? Any other suggestions? For Ostricano, I think it’s too far for a round trip... Thanks for your tips! Have a great day, Anie, Toulouse
Hi,
I’d like some advice on doing the Camino de Santiago—or part of it—from the Basque Country.
Best,
Hi there,
I’d like to get some info about the GR10 Pyrenees traverse. I need help planning the daily stages and accommodations—my wife isn’t an experienced hiker but walks a lot, so I’d like to schedule shorter walking days and thus a longer overall trip in terms of number of days.
Could anyone give me some help and advice? Best regards,
I’d like to get some info about the GR10 Pyrenees traverse. I need help planning the daily stages and accommodations—my wife isn’t an experienced hiker but walks a lot, so I’d like to schedule shorter walking days and thus a longer overall trip in terms of number of days.
Could anyone give me some help and advice? Best regards,
Hi there, I’m planning the Annapurna Circuit for March 2027 and I’m looking for a local agency with a local guide—preferably French-speaking—to arrange this trek for us. Any suggestions? Thanks
Hello!
We’re spending a few days in Toraja country at the end of May. We’d love to do a day trek—taking our time—on a route that’s stunning in terms of scenery, but not a level 5 in difficulty!
Any suggestions you can share, please?
Thanks in advance
Hi everyone,
I’d like to do the Mare a Mare Sud in May over 4 days. I’ve found quite a few places to stay along the route, but I’m stuck on the start and finish. I’ll be arriving by plane on Sunday evening and would like to start pretty early on Monday morning. Ideally, accommodation right at the trailhead (Alzu di Gallina) would be amazing, but I can’t find anything. Any tips? Also, for the transfer from Figari Airport to Porto Vecchio or Alzu di Gallina? At the end, I’d like to pick up a rental car—any advice on that too?
Thanks in advance!
Caro
I’d like to do the Mare a Mare Sud in May over 4 days. I’ve found quite a few places to stay along the route, but I’m stuck on the start and finish. I’ll be arriving by plane on Sunday evening and would like to start pretty early on Monday morning. Ideally, accommodation right at the trailhead (Alzu di Gallina) would be amazing, but I can’t find anything. Any tips? Also, for the transfer from Figari Airport to Porto Vecchio or Alzu di Gallina? At the end, I’d like to pick up a rental car—any advice on that too?
Thanks in advance!
Caro
I’m traveling solo by plane to Catania in May and plan to hike the northern side of Etna, starting from Linguaglossa where I’ll arrive by bus. After that, I’d love some info on how to get up to Piano Provenzana (shuttles or hitchhiking), since it seems there’s no public transport except in the summer. Can you sleep there in a free or cheap refuge, or camp? And how far up can you go without having to hire a guide? Thanks in advance. Bernard.
Hi everyone,
I’m heading to Morocco in August and we’ll start with a stop in Chefchaouen (we’re driving).
My question: can anyone suggest a 5-to-7-day loop hiking route from Chefchaouen in Talassemtane Park, ideally passing by the God’s Bridge? Or a paper guidebook that covers a few options?
We prefer wild camping and guesthouses.
Thanks in advance
Hi there, for those who’ve been recently—is it possible to find other solo travelers in March on the island to share transport or room costs? It doesn’t seem easy to travel on a budget.
If you have any recommendations for simple lodgings or places with dorms, I’d love to hear them.
For those who’ve done multi-day treks while moving around: do you need to bring your own sleeping bag? I’d love to hear about itineraries you’ve done without a guide, just with a map and GPS.
Thanks, and have a great day!
Hi everyone!
We’re planning a 15-day road trip to Scotland this summer, specifically to explore and hike on Lewis and Harris—places we’ve never been before. We’ve visited other islands on previous road trips in Scotland (we usually go in April for a week). This would be our first time in Scotland in the summer and for 15 days. We’re looking at late August to early September.
I’m currently drafting the itinerary. We’d be crossing from Ullapool and were thinking of spending 3 nights on Harris and 4 nights on Lewis.
Does that sound balanced to you? Is it better to keep the same accommodation on Harris and the same on Lewis to explore the area? I’d love to hear about any past experiences you’ve had on these islands. Thanks!
I’m currently drafting the itinerary. We’d be crossing from Ullapool and were thinking of spending 3 nights on Harris and 4 nights on Lewis.
Does that sound balanced to you? Is it better to keep the same accommodation on Harris and the same on Lewis to explore the area? I’d love to hear about any past experiences you’ve had on these islands. Thanks!
Hi there, I’m trying to leave for 15 days very soon to São Vicente. I’m either looking to join an agency or figure things out on my own to go hiking on one of these islands or both. From what I’ve seen, it’s not easy to organize with local transport, so it gets expensive. Can I use the services of a small local agency? I’m looking for the simplest way to hike for several days. Also, how do you get from São Vicente to São Nicolau? Thanks in advance and have a great day!
Aichatou
Hi there,
I’ve been wanting to do this for several years, and this year’s the one. Next September, I’ll be trekking in Tusheti (Georgia), from Omalo to Shatili. Of course, I won’t be renting a vehicle that’d just sit unused. No problem getting to Pshaveli, but from there to Omalo, it’s a dirt road (still the case?) There must be some form of public transport since there are so many guesthouses, and not all travelers come in a 4x4. If any of you have been to Omalo, could you confirm that these shared transports exist and how often they run?
I’ve been wanting to do this for several years, and this year’s the one. Next September, I’ll be trekking in Tusheti (Georgia), from Omalo to Shatili. Of course, I won’t be renting a vehicle that’d just sit unused. No problem getting to Pshaveli, but from there to Omalo, it’s a dirt road (still the case?) There must be some form of public transport since there are so many guesthouses, and not all travelers come in a 4x4. If any of you have been to Omalo, could you confirm that these shared transports exist and how often they run?