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Aller en Algérie avec un passeport français et une carte d'identité algérienne?
by Inès75010
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
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Bonjour à tous,
Depuis une semaine, je suis dans la quatrième dimension avec les autorités algériennes : consulat de Pontoise et de Paris... En quelques mots, j'ai la double nationnalité et souhaite me rendre à Oran le 20 08 ... Mon passeport algérien a expiré et pour le renouvellement c'est toute une histoire : 1- Je n'habite plus la normandie mais Paris, ce qui signifie transfert de dossier d'un consulat vers un autre. 2- A Paris, aucune possibilité pour le renouvellement de mon passeport car ils n'ont toujours pas mon dossier (vive les admistrations) donc retour à Pontoise. 3- Un aller/retour Paris-Pontoise et Pontoise-Paris en une journée sans oublier les délais d'attente ... puis retour à la case visa car deux passeports ... 4- Pas de visa à Paris car j'ai le passeport algérien et une prolongation peut-être faite par le service .... Mais c'est hors de question car suis journaliste et le dossier est bloqué à Pontoise (soit-disant). 5- A Pontoise dossier transféré mais me demande de voir avec l'ambassade algérienne de Paris, car je suis journaliste de presse. Au secours ... Que faire?!!!!! J'ai entendu dire que l'on peut passer la douane avec un passeport français et une CNI algérienne en cours de validité. J'ai le tout!!! Quelqu'un peut-il me dire si ma délivrance est proche avec ces deux sésames??? Il s'agit d'un voyage privé et non professionnel. En effet, je suis arrivée au stade où je hais les administrations algériennes qui n'ont aucunes cohérences dans l'application de leur fonction. Merci pour vos réponses ... Inès
Depuis une semaine, je suis dans la quatrième dimension avec les autorités algériennes : consulat de Pontoise et de Paris... En quelques mots, j'ai la double nationnalité et souhaite me rendre à Oran le 20 08 ... Mon passeport algérien a expiré et pour le renouvellement c'est toute une histoire : 1- Je n'habite plus la normandie mais Paris, ce qui signifie transfert de dossier d'un consulat vers un autre. 2- A Paris, aucune possibilité pour le renouvellement de mon passeport car ils n'ont toujours pas mon dossier (vive les admistrations) donc retour à Pontoise. 3- Un aller/retour Paris-Pontoise et Pontoise-Paris en une journée sans oublier les délais d'attente ... puis retour à la case visa car deux passeports ... 4- Pas de visa à Paris car j'ai le passeport algérien et une prolongation peut-être faite par le service .... Mais c'est hors de question car suis journaliste et le dossier est bloqué à Pontoise (soit-disant). 5- A Pontoise dossier transféré mais me demande de voir avec l'ambassade algérienne de Paris, car je suis journaliste de presse. Au secours ... Que faire?!!!!! J'ai entendu dire que l'on peut passer la douane avec un passeport français et une CNI algérienne en cours de validité. J'ai le tout!!! Quelqu'un peut-il me dire si ma délivrance est proche avec ces deux sésames??? Il s'agit d'un voyage privé et non professionnel. En effet, je suis arrivée au stade où je hais les administrations algériennes qui n'ont aucunes cohérences dans l'application de leur fonction. Merci pour vos réponses ... Inès
hassi-el-ghella-el-amria-ain-temouchent
Tu peux trouver ce sujet dans un autre message... et ce que j'ai lu tu pourras partir avec ton passepart français et arriver avec ta CNI algérienne valide ! Pour le retour, tu rentreras avec ton passeport français... Tu n'as qu'à tél à un consulat neutre ex. marseille, en demandant si tu peux entrer en Algérie avec ta CNI ! Pas de soucis !
LILI
LILI
Il n'y a personne qui soit née sous une mauvaise étoile, il n'y a que des gens qui ne savent pas lire le ciel. (Dalaï Lama)
mais rien ni personne ne vient à bout de ceux qui défendent une cause juste... (Mano Dayak)
mais rien ni personne ne vient à bout de ceux qui défendent une cause juste... (Mano Dayak)
Je ne suis pas spécialiste de la chose, alors je vais peut-être dire une bêtise... Que quelqu'un me corrige si c'est le cas.
Je ne comprends pas comment tu pourras sortir de l'Algérie en présentant seulement ta carte d'identité. Pour sortir de l'Algérie il te faudrait un passeport, non ?
Tu auras le passeport français, mais sur le passeport français les douaniers devraient te tamponner le visa (un tampon à l'entrée et un tampon à la sortie du pays). Que vont-ils te dire s'ils voient que tu n'as pas eu de tampon d'entrée ?
Je connais des bi-nationaux qui font fréquemment la navette entre les 2 pays, mais ils le font avec les 2 passeports. Dans ton cas, ça me semble bizarre... Mais, peut-être que je me trompe
Pour simplifier la chose, pourquoi ne pas demander un visa comme tout citoyen français ? Je sais... il faudrait que tu payes pour que tu rentres dans ton propre pays, mais c'est une solution rapide et radicale. En plus, par rapport à ton statut de journaliste tu seras peut-être un peu moins embêtée...
Je ne comprends pas comment tu pourras sortir de l'Algérie en présentant seulement ta carte d'identité. Pour sortir de l'Algérie il te faudrait un passeport, non ?
Tu auras le passeport français, mais sur le passeport français les douaniers devraient te tamponner le visa (un tampon à l'entrée et un tampon à la sortie du pays). Que vont-ils te dire s'ils voient que tu n'as pas eu de tampon d'entrée ?
Je connais des bi-nationaux qui font fréquemment la navette entre les 2 pays, mais ils le font avec les 2 passeports. Dans ton cas, ça me semble bizarre... Mais, peut-être que je me trompe
Pour simplifier la chose, pourquoi ne pas demander un visa comme tout citoyen français ? Je sais... il faudrait que tu payes pour que tu rentres dans ton propre pays, mais c'est une solution rapide et radicale. En plus, par rapport à ton statut de journaliste tu seras peut-être un peu moins embêtée...
salut
en effet dans d'autre post certains ont pretendu avoir reussi plusieurs fois a se rendre en algerie avec passeport français+cni algerienne.
moi perso j'ai vu à annaba une personne se faire refouler car pas de visa et refus du policier à la frontiere de le laisser passer meme s'il avait une cni algerienne.
donc voila j'ai jamais voulu essayer je prefere avoir mon passeport algerien+ cni française.
sinon je te conseille de faire un visa, avec ton passeport français, rend toi au service visa, avec tout les papiers, ne parle pas de ton precedent probleme (transfert dossier, passeport perimé, que t'es journaliste etj 'en passe)
une personne a dit avoir obtenu son visa hier au consulat de pontoise en 3h pour un depart aujourd'hui (avec billet d'avion comme preuve)
donc faites en de meme cette semaine avant votre depart.(les consulats ouvrent du mardi au samedi)
sinon et bien allez en algerie avec passeport francais + cni algerienne et j'espere que ça passera vu que certains le pretendent cela doit etre vrai!
bon courage
en effet dans d'autre post certains ont pretendu avoir reussi plusieurs fois a se rendre en algerie avec passeport français+cni algerienne.
moi perso j'ai vu à annaba une personne se faire refouler car pas de visa et refus du policier à la frontiere de le laisser passer meme s'il avait une cni algerienne.
donc voila j'ai jamais voulu essayer je prefere avoir mon passeport algerien+ cni française.
sinon je te conseille de faire un visa, avec ton passeport français, rend toi au service visa, avec tout les papiers, ne parle pas de ton precedent probleme (transfert dossier, passeport perimé, que t'es journaliste etj 'en passe)
une personne a dit avoir obtenu son visa hier au consulat de pontoise en 3h pour un depart aujourd'hui (avec billet d'avion comme preuve)
donc faites en de meme cette semaine avant votre depart.(les consulats ouvrent du mardi au samedi)
sinon et bien allez en algerie avec passeport francais + cni algerienne et j'espere que ça passera vu que certains le pretendent cela doit etre vrai!
bon courage
j'ai peut etre pas tout compris mais pourquoi ne fais tu pas un visa touriste simple avec ton passeport français? c'est con tu vas payer 33 euros mais au mois tu partiras non? (il faut un certificat dhebergement mais c'est facile à obtenir en algérie ou sinon une resa d'hotel ou un livret de famile avec la photocopie d'un papier d'identité de tes parents ou mari s'il est algerien.
bonn courage je connais les consulats c'est pas toujours facile
Je réponds un peu tardivement aux échanges portant sur la possibilité d'aller en Algérie quand on est binational "Français-Algérien":
Je confirme qu'il suffit de présenter un passeport Français en cours de validité avec une CNI algérienne également en cours de validité pour se rendre en Algérie.
Je travaille actuellement en Algérie, suis bi-national ces informations sont donc vérifiées.
Inutile de gaspiller 33 €...une fois n'est pas coutûme notre statut de franco-algérien nous avantage..
A bientôt
ziz69a
slm, moi je sai que ma soeur a la double nationalité, pour partir il faut ton paseport algerien et pour le retour il fau ton pasepor francai ainssi ke ta carte didentité algerienne et francaise.
voila comen sa sai passer pour ma soeur
kel est l'interet d'avoir sa carte d'identité francaise si tu as ton passeport francais??? 😏
et bien je sai pas mai en tou je sai kil on demender a ma soeur sa carte didentité a mon avis sa depend des douaniers
le douanier n'a pas a demander la carte d'identité francaise si tu presentes un passeport francais 😛
et bien pour koi dans se cas la il nous lon demender?
Ben dans ce cas on ne peut pas repondre à "leur place" mais en tant que franco algerienne, je pars avec mon passeport français + ma cni algerienne, sans aucun souci et mes enfants pareil, comme deja dit par quelqu'un d'autre ici meme quelques post plus haut, voila c'est dit, après...
SO
pour ton info, un passeport c'est la carte d'identité internationale.
Le cni n'a aucune reconnaissance internationale
Le cni n'a aucune reconnaissance internationale
bonsoir,
je voudrais avoir un conseil de ta part
pourrai.je allez en algerie avec un passeport algerien et une carte identite algerienne
car jai perdu ma carte identite francaise
c tu si a la douane 'port car je pren le bateau' il demande la carte identite francaise?
je sais ke pour le retour il me fo ma carte identite francaise§!!!
Tu peux t'y rendre avec ton passeport algerien et ta carte d'identité algerienne.
Seulement lors de ton retour tu ne pourras pas sortir du pays, car tu n'auras pas ta carte d'identité française prouvant ta bi-nationalité et donc tu seras bloqué en algerie tu ne pourras plus sortir du territoire.
Si tu as le passeport français prend le avec toi.si tu ne l'as pas essaye de refaire ta carte d'identité française avant ton depart, si cela n'est pas possible annule ton sejour en algerie, car sinon tu ne reviendras pas en france.
Seulement lors de ton retour tu ne pourras pas sortir du pays, car tu n'auras pas ta carte d'identité française prouvant ta bi-nationalité et donc tu seras bloqué en algerie tu ne pourras plus sortir du territoire.
Si tu as le passeport français prend le avec toi.si tu ne l'as pas essaye de refaire ta carte d'identité française avant ton depart, si cela n'est pas possible annule ton sejour en algerie, car sinon tu ne reviendras pas en france.
😏bonjour merci de mavoir conseiller!
je vais refaire ma carte avant de partir.mais je pense ke la douane du port et la douane de laeroport ne controle pas la meme chose a laeroport il te demande pas la carte identite francaise allor ke le port je pense ke si
merci et bonne continuation rouya!
salut.. c quoi CNI? est ce que pour une francaise il faut le visa pour allé en algerie? merci🙂
fyufuyfuyfyufu
visa obligatoire pour une francaise pour aller en algerie
Carte Nationale d'Identité ( cni ) Si tu es française comme Nemo te l'a dit, le visa est obligatoire. Seuls les bi-nationaux n'y sont pas astreints s'ils présentent une cni algérienne, avec leur passeport français!
SO
CNI= Carte Nationale d'Identité
En France comme en Algérie, cela porte le même nom ce "document"...😉😉
Visa plus qu'obligatoire pour français &C° = 85 €
LILi
En France comme en Algérie, cela porte le même nom ce "document"...😉😉
Visa plus qu'obligatoire pour français &C° = 85 €
LILi
Il n'y a personne qui soit née sous une mauvaise étoile, il n'y a que des gens qui ne savent pas lire le ciel. (Dalaï Lama)
mais rien ni personne ne vient à bout de ceux qui défendent une cause juste... (Mano Dayak)
mais rien ni personne ne vient à bout de ceux qui défendent une cause juste... (Mano Dayak)
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Did the airline ask for an exit ticket before boarding? Did Chinese authorities require proof upon arrival? Is a train/bus ticket to Vietnam sufficient? Is a cancelable or flexible reservation accepted?
Thanks for sharing your experiences! 😊
Hi there,
Just a question that’s probably been asked before (though usually the other way around for my situation :))
My wife and I are heading to the US.
On her ticket, it only has her maiden name (e.g., Martine DUPOND).
On her passport, it’s written as Martine DUPOND épouse AVRY.
No issues for travel, I hope I did the right thing with the ticket?
Then for the ESTA, is just Martine DUPOND enough, or do I need to include the "épouse AVRY" part like on the passport?
Thanks in advance!
Hi there,
I’m spending a few days in San Pedro de Atacama (Chile) and would like to cross the Argentine border to make a loop toward Salta and then return to Chile to drop off the rental car.
I’ve heard that crossing the border can be tricky!
Is it possible with a rental company’s authorization? Which company, and at what cost?
Thanks for sharing your experiences!
Best regards,
Arnale
Hi everyone,
I saw on the French Embassy in Peru’s website and the Peruvian Consulate in Paris’s site that the rule is to have a passport valid for 6 months *after the arrival date* (not the return date).
I arrive in Peru on August 13, 2019 (for about twelve days), and my passport is valid until February 16, 2020.
That’s 6 months and 3 days after my arrival date in Peru. In my opinion, I’m good to go.
But could I still be denied entry if they say I don’t cover the return date or that I’m too close to the 6-month mark?
Thanks for your feedback.
I saw on the French Embassy in Peru’s website and the Peruvian Consulate in Paris’s site that the rule is to have a passport valid for 6 months *after the arrival date* (not the return date).
I arrive in Peru on August 13, 2019 (for about twelve days), and my passport is valid until February 16, 2020.
That’s 6 months and 3 days after my arrival date in Peru. In my opinion, I’m good to go.
But could I still be denied entry if they say I don’t cover the return date or that I’m too close to the 6-month mark?
Thanks for your feedback.
Hi there,
I read on the French Ministry of Foreign Affairs website that it’s possible to apply for a temporary driving permit in China, valid for 1 month. I’m planning to rent a car (without a driver) to explore part of the country next August, so I was wondering:
Has anyone here already gone through this process upon arrival? How long do the formalities take on the spot? Is it possible to handle these steps in advance, before arriving in China?
Thanks in advance for your replies.
I read on the French Ministry of Foreign Affairs website that it’s possible to apply for a temporary driving permit in China, valid for 1 month. I’m planning to rent a car (without a driver) to explore part of the country next August, so I was wondering:
Has anyone here already gone through this process upon arrival? How long do the formalities take on the spot? Is it possible to handle these steps in advance, before arriving in China?
Thanks in advance for your replies.
Hi
Has anyone been to Rwanda recently and gotten a 3-month visa on arrival easily?
Thanks
Hi there,
My departure is slowly approaching, and now that I’ve got my Russian visa sorted, I’m fine-tuning the rest of my trip to Tajikistan. Since the Tajik visa is no longer required for stays under 30 days (for French nationals), I’ll need to visit the Ministry of Interior (OVIR) to register within 10 days of entering the country. No big deal, though, since I had to go there anyway to apply for my GBAO permit. 😉 However, I’ve *seen* several reports from travelers (mostly motorized) mentioning that you need an entry permit for Kyrgyzstan, which has to be arranged in advance at the Kyrgyz Ministry (consulate?) in Dushanbe. Otherwise, you’re *stuck* at the Kyzyl-Art border (with no Wi-Fi, of course, to try and sort it out). The most recent report was from a year ago, so I’d love to know if this is still the case and if it’s indeed at the Kyrgyz Ministry (consulate?) where you need to go for this pre-authorization.
Does anyone have any recent info on this?
Thanks in advance!
Hi everyone.
I’m leaving for almost 3 months in the Philippines (11 weeks total) starting in early May.
I already have my round-trip ticket.
The problem is, I don’t have time to get a 2-month visa because the process takes nearly a month.
From what I’ve read here and there, I need a return ticket valid for less than a month when I arrive in the Philippines to prove my good faith.
After that, I can apply for a 30-day extension at the immigration office.
I’m planning to either buy a fully refundable ticket to the nearest country or a fake ticket.
For 3 months, I’ll need to extend my visa two more times before my return date to France.
My question is this:
Will immigration ask me each time I extend my visa by one month to show proof of an exit ticket matching the new visa extension date?
Is it possible to extend directly by 2 months before the initial 30 days expire?
Thanks in advance for your experiences and tips! 😊
Hello to all the Thailand regulars.
I’ve been to Thailand several times, but it was about 20 years ago…
There’s a new system in place now, it seems.
TDAC – Thailand Digital Arrival Card.
Before arriving, I apply for a TDAC, okay. If during my stay I cross the border to spend a few days in Malaysia and then re-enter Thailand, do I need to submit a new TDAC application? Do I use the same TDAC as when I first entered the country?
Or do I initially have to pay for a Thai multi-entry visa?
Thanks in advance for your insights—I can’t find the answer online.
Pierre
I’ve been to Thailand several times, but it was about 20 years ago…
There’s a new system in place now, it seems.
TDAC – Thailand Digital Arrival Card.
Before arriving, I apply for a TDAC, okay. If during my stay I cross the border to spend a few days in Malaysia and then re-enter Thailand, do I need to submit a new TDAC application? Do I use the same TDAC as when I first entered the country?
Or do I initially have to pay for a Thai multi-entry visa?
Thanks in advance for your insights—I can’t find the answer online.
Pierre
My partner (Mexican) entered France on January 21st as a tourist. She was therefore entitled to stay for 90 days in the Schengen Area. She’ll be leaving for Mexico on April 16th, so she’ll have “used up” 86 days.
She plans to return to France on July 18th. According to the European Commission’s Schengen calculator, this new stay “may be authorized for a maximum of 90 days.” That’s not very clear ("may be," "for a maximum of").
The text of Article 6 of the European regulation (2016/399) states that for a stay planned in the territory of the Member States, not exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period, one must examine "the 180-day period preceding each day of the stay." That’s not very clear either.
My partner wants to return to France for a 90-day period starting on July 18th. Is this possible?
There are two ways to look at it:
1) The first day she spent in the Schengen Area was January 21st. That day will drop out of the calculation 180 days later, on July 20th.
From July 20th, she’ll get back 1 day of possible stay; on July 22nd, 2 days; and so on. All the days from her previous stay (January 21st–April 16th) need to be outside the 180-day rolling window. The last day of her stay was April 16th. Looking 180 days ahead, that brings us to October 13th. From that date, she’ll be able to return for a full 90 days. 2) The number of allowed days is calculated for each day of the new stay. In other words: the 180-day window is recalculated every day, not fixed at the entry date. If she re-enters France on July 18th, she’ll only have a “credit” of 4 days. But with each day of her new stay, one day from the previous stay (January–April) will drop out of the calculation. The rolling window allows her to “replace” days from the previous stay with those of the new stay, without ever exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period. In this case, my partner could stay in France for 90 days starting on July 18th. The Prefecture doesn’t provide any information, nor does Air France, and in the forums I’ve checked, opinions are divided. Thanks for any insights you can share!
She plans to return to France on July 18th. According to the European Commission’s Schengen calculator, this new stay “may be authorized for a maximum of 90 days.” That’s not very clear ("may be," "for a maximum of").
The text of Article 6 of the European regulation (2016/399) states that for a stay planned in the territory of the Member States, not exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period, one must examine "the 180-day period preceding each day of the stay." That’s not very clear either.
My partner wants to return to France for a 90-day period starting on July 18th. Is this possible?
There are two ways to look at it:
1) The first day she spent in the Schengen Area was January 21st. That day will drop out of the calculation 180 days later, on July 20th.
From July 20th, she’ll get back 1 day of possible stay; on July 22nd, 2 days; and so on. All the days from her previous stay (January 21st–April 16th) need to be outside the 180-day rolling window. The last day of her stay was April 16th. Looking 180 days ahead, that brings us to October 13th. From that date, she’ll be able to return for a full 90 days. 2) The number of allowed days is calculated for each day of the new stay. In other words: the 180-day window is recalculated every day, not fixed at the entry date. If she re-enters France on July 18th, she’ll only have a “credit” of 4 days. But with each day of her new stay, one day from the previous stay (January–April) will drop out of the calculation. The rolling window allows her to “replace” days from the previous stay with those of the new stay, without ever exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period. In this case, my partner could stay in France for 90 days starting on July 18th. The Prefecture doesn’t provide any information, nor does Air France, and in the forums I’ve checked, opinions are divided. Thanks for any insights you can share!
Hello,
We’re planning to travel to Indonesia (Sulawesi with family) next July and August for a stay longer than a month (about 6 weeks).
I’ve seen that it’s possible to get a 60-day visa before departure, but I’ve also read about people having a lot of trouble getting it (some even didn’t manage and had to leave without it).
We absolutely need to have these 4 visas BEFORE leaving because once we’re in Sulawesi, I’m not sure we’ll be able to go to an embassy to request a visa extension after 30 days.
In short, how can we **100% guarantee** that we’ll get our 4 60-day visas before our trip this summer?
Thanks for your valuable tips!
Elodie
In short, how can we **100% guarantee** that we’ll get our 4 60-day visas before our trip this summer?
Thanks for your valuable tips!
Elodie
Hi there,
I’m leaving for Japan in a few weeks. I just noticed my passport has an ink stain on the signature page. Could this cause any issues?
I’m leaving for Japan in a few weeks. I just noticed my passport has an ink stain on the signature page. Could this cause any issues?




