Bonjour a tous.
Une info a prendre en compte ( a mon humble avis) avant de partir en Birmanie..
http://m.rue89.com/#/news/244315
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www.descampsjerome.fr
Une bien triste nouvelle pour la Birmanie...
by Millessences
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Ben tu sais, ca date pas d'hier.
Si tu t'arretes a ce genre de trucs tu vas aller ou?
Parce que tous les gouvernements du monde font des saletes, et les notres sont pas les derniers.
Usa=genocide des peaux rouges
Canada=idem, genocide
Amerique centrale et du sud dans leur totalite=pareil, genocide
Australie=pays bati sur le sang des aborigenes dont ils ont vole la terre
NZ=pareil avec les mahoris
Indonesie=exactions aux 4 coins du pays (Aceh, Papouasie, Molluques), crimes contre l'humanite au Timor, colonisation de la Papouasie et des Molluques
Chine=colonisation du Tibet et du Xinjiang
France=sales combines en Afrique, et en Birmanie aussi tiens (Total)
Inde=colonisation du cashemire
Je continue?
Il te reste la lune remarque...
Salut fex
Je ne donne jamais d'opinion politique sur les forums.....
Mon premier post était à titre "informatif".
Il est vrai qu'avant de partir visiter un pays j'essaye de m'informer sur la situation "politique" du pays
Salut Jérôme,
Voilà, je me suis permis de modifier ce texte, car tu m'a fais prendre conscience qu'avec mes questions j'amenais le forumeur à avoir un avis, à prendre position voire argumenter selon ses opinions politiques.
En tous cas merci de nous rappeler qu'il y a encore des persécutions de minorités en Birmanie nonobstant un changement dans l'équilibre du pouvoir en Birmanie.
Cordialement.
Salut Jérôme,
Voilà, je me suis permis de modifier ce texte, car tu m'a fais prendre conscience qu'avec mes questions j'amenais le forumeur à avoir un avis, à prendre position voire argumenter selon ses opinions politiques.
En tous cas merci de nous rappeler qu'il y a encore des persécutions de minorités en Birmanie nonobstant un changement dans l'équilibre du pouvoir en Birmanie.
Cordialement.
Tu sais, aujourd'hui comme hier, en Birmanie ou ailleurs, les juntes, regimes dictatoriaux etc. n'en ont pas grand chose a faire que leur pays soit boycotte. Ou en tout cas pas assez pour arreter leurs saletes.
Et puis de toute facon si on boycotte qui est le plus penalise?
Surement pas le gouvernement, qui quoiqu'il arrive est assis tout en haut sur un gros sac d'or, mais bien plutot le peuple qui gagne 4 sous grace au tourisme...
Tu sais, aujourd'hui comme hier, en Birmanie ou ailleurs, les juntes, regimes dictatoriaux etc. n'en ont pas grand chose a faire que leur pays soit boycotte. Ou en tout cas pas assez pour arreter leurs saletes.
Et puis de toute facon si on boycotte qui est le plus penalise?
Surement pas le gouvernement, qui quoiqu'il arrive est assis tout en haut sur un gros sac d'or, mais bien plutot le peuple qui gagne 4 sous grace au tourisme...
Tout à fait exact... Ceux qui sortent la tête de l'eau ce sont toujours ces "régimes"... ceux du "pouvoir"... Ceux qui trinquent c'est toujours le peuple 🏴☠️ Donc leur priver du peu de pain qu'ils ont, je pense que ce n'est pas la meilleure solution Cordialement.
Tout à fait exact... Ceux qui sortent la tête de l'eau ce sont toujours ces "régimes"... ceux du "pouvoir"... Ceux qui trinquent c'est toujours le peuple 🏴☠️ Donc leur priver du peu de pain qu'ils ont, je pense que ce n'est pas la meilleure solution Cordialement.
Salut fex
Je ne donne jamais d'opinion politique sur les forums.....
Mon premier post était à titre "informatif".
Il est vrai qu'avant de partir visiter un pays j'essaye de m'informer sur la situation "politique" du pays
www.descampsjerome.fr
J'aime bien la photo de Tein Sein sur son immense trône, tellement révélateur.
En même temps, les choses changent ici c'est indéniable. Ca prendra du temps, je rappelle que le pays sort de décennies sous le joug d'une junte ultra répressive. Quant à U Wirathu, c'est un parfait exemple des joies de l'ouverture à la démocratie: mis en prison par la junte suite à ses propos incitant à la haine, le voila maintenant dehors à attiser les flammes. Comme quoi parfois ... Il ferait mieux de s’inquiéter de la colonisation des chinois dans sa région de Mandalay que des minorités musulmanes à peine présentent dans sa ville.
En même temps, les choses changent ici c'est indéniable. Ca prendra du temps, je rappelle que le pays sort de décennies sous le joug d'une junte ultra répressive. Quant à U Wirathu, c'est un parfait exemple des joies de l'ouverture à la démocratie: mis en prison par la junte suite à ses propos incitant à la haine, le voila maintenant dehors à attiser les flammes. Comme quoi parfois ... Il ferait mieux de s’inquiéter de la colonisation des chinois dans sa région de Mandalay que des minorités musulmanes à peine présentent dans sa ville.
Il ferait mieux de s’inquiéter de la colonisation des chinois dans sa région de Mandalay que des minorités musulmanes à peine présentent dans sa ville.
Entièrement d'accord avec toi, d'autant plus que depuis plusieurs années, certains Chinois "empruntent" l'identité de ressortissants birmans décédés pour accéder, en toute impunité, à la nationalité du pays. Ces Chinois sont présents en très grand nombre dans cette région, une sorte de diaspora très puissante et riche qui se sert de la Birmanie pour avoir accès à la mer depuis le sud de la Chine.
Entièrement d'accord avec toi, d'autant plus que depuis plusieurs années, certains Chinois "empruntent" l'identité de ressortissants birmans décédés pour accéder, en toute impunité, à la nationalité du pays. Ces Chinois sont présents en très grand nombre dans cette région, une sorte de diaspora très puissante et riche qui se sert de la Birmanie pour avoir accès à la mer depuis le sud de la Chine.
Avant de partir sous certaines contrées, il est utile de prendre la "température", mais surtout ne pas prendre pour argent comptant toutes les anneries que l'on peut lire ça ou là.
Si je m'étais arrêté à consulter certains forums ou sites gouvernementaux, je serai alors resté chez moi devant la télé en pantoufles...
Ayant entrepris, ( 2012/2013), un long voyage par la route de France vers l'Inde, j'ai été agréablement surpris de trouver l'Iran comme étant le pays le plus accueillant alors que tous les médias occidentaux "pollués" par les yankies n'ont de cesse de propager des mensonges pour tenter d'influencer l'opinion publique.
Au préalable, ce fut le passage et le séjour en Kurdistan Turc, "zone" placée en destination "très risquée" par le ministère es affaires étrangères Français... Là aussi, pas le moindre souci....C'est tellement plus simple pour la diplomatie Française de semer le trouble pour ne pas a avoir à intervenir au cas ou...
Ce fut aussi les magnifiques régions Kurdes qui longent l'Iraq et la Syrie encore en guerre et pour lesquels il n'y a aucun risque pour le touriste lambda.
Je passerai sur le passage routier en Balouchistan Pakistanais très sécurisé et qui n'a pas fait de moi un Kamikase écervelé. J'y ai rencontré des gens bien sympathiques qui font de vous des hôtes de marque et qui vous rendent service avec cœur. C'est aussi au Pakistan que j'ai rencontré un Consul de France à Karachi qui ne brillait pas par son intelligence, ce dernier allant jusqu'à avancer qu'il ne voyait pas d'un bon œil des touristes Français fouler le pays, c'est à ce demander ce qu'il faisait là, au soleil, grassement rémunéré par nos impôts...
La Birmanie : Il faut y aller; c'est rendre service avec les habitants qui lieront contact avec des étrangers, ce qui était interdit il y a quelques temps. Ce pays me tente de plus en plus avant qu'il ne change fondamentalement et que le tourisme vienne pourrir ses habitants comme c'est souvent le cas.
Passer ses vacances dans la région Marseillaise ou en Corse vous fait prendre beaucoup plus de risques que dans bien des contrées réputées à tort comme dangereuses.
Bon voyages
Cordialement
Jeff40
Si je m'étais arrêté à consulter certains forums ou sites gouvernementaux, je serai alors resté chez moi devant la télé en pantoufles...
Ayant entrepris, ( 2012/2013), un long voyage par la route de France vers l'Inde, j'ai été agréablement surpris de trouver l'Iran comme étant le pays le plus accueillant alors que tous les médias occidentaux "pollués" par les yankies n'ont de cesse de propager des mensonges pour tenter d'influencer l'opinion publique.
Au préalable, ce fut le passage et le séjour en Kurdistan Turc, "zone" placée en destination "très risquée" par le ministère es affaires étrangères Français... Là aussi, pas le moindre souci....C'est tellement plus simple pour la diplomatie Française de semer le trouble pour ne pas a avoir à intervenir au cas ou...
Ce fut aussi les magnifiques régions Kurdes qui longent l'Iraq et la Syrie encore en guerre et pour lesquels il n'y a aucun risque pour le touriste lambda.
Je passerai sur le passage routier en Balouchistan Pakistanais très sécurisé et qui n'a pas fait de moi un Kamikase écervelé. J'y ai rencontré des gens bien sympathiques qui font de vous des hôtes de marque et qui vous rendent service avec cœur. C'est aussi au Pakistan que j'ai rencontré un Consul de France à Karachi qui ne brillait pas par son intelligence, ce dernier allant jusqu'à avancer qu'il ne voyait pas d'un bon œil des touristes Français fouler le pays, c'est à ce demander ce qu'il faisait là, au soleil, grassement rémunéré par nos impôts...
La Birmanie : Il faut y aller; c'est rendre service avec les habitants qui lieront contact avec des étrangers, ce qui était interdit il y a quelques temps. Ce pays me tente de plus en plus avant qu'il ne change fondamentalement et que le tourisme vienne pourrir ses habitants comme c'est souvent le cas.
Passer ses vacances dans la région Marseillaise ou en Corse vous fait prendre beaucoup plus de risques que dans bien des contrées réputées à tort comme dangereuses.
Bon voyages
Cordialement
Jeff40
salut déjà 2 fois en Birmanie.. c est sûr mais pour tout le reste ppour les personnes qui luttent pour les birmans pour le pays et pour la cause de la démocratie ... il faut y aller pour le reste ..; dans le monde c est partout pareil l homme sera tjs un homme avec sa parcelle d'ombre
Moi la Birmanie j y suis allée 2 fois en novembre 1997 et en nov 2012 vivement la 3ieme fois pour aller plus sur les chemins escarpés Bonne route
Décidement tout est toujours de la faute de la junte militaire, même quand c'est les bonzes on trouve moyen de les déculpabiliser.
Il y a trois sortes d’hommes : les vivants,
les morts, et ceux qui vont sur la mer.
Aristote (parait il)
Pas du tout, je ne vois pas où les moines sont déculpabilisés, même dans le pays, les autres groupes bouddhistes sont horrifiés de cette campagne et, malheureusement, comme dans toutes les religions, on trouve des groupes extrémistes qui manipulent leurs ouailles en discriminant les autres groupes religieux. La junte en l'occurrence a et continue de soutenir ce genre d'exactions, étant elle-même antimusulmanne.
Salut Adonya,
Mon post pas nécessairement en rapport avec le tien, tout simplement pour apporter de l'eau au moulin de celui qui a initié la discussion et rien d'autre.
Cdlt
Jeff
Mon post pas nécessairement en rapport avec le tien, tout simplement pour apporter de l'eau au moulin de celui qui a initié la discussion et rien d'autre.
Cdlt
Jeff
Je rappel que U Wirathu a été mis en prison ... par la junte suite à ses propos haineux avant d'être libéré () -> j'ai mis entre crochets et parenthèses parce que le processus de démocratisation c'est top of the pop donc peut pas accuser ça.
Comme quoi parfois.
Comme quoi parfois.
Tout à fait d'accord. D'ailleurs il serait interessant de savoir pourquoi ils l'on laissé sortir. Mais s'il avait purgé sa peine, aucune raison de le garder derriere des bareaux (pas bien, liberté d'expression etc.).
Ou alors c'est fait sciament. Une chose est sure cependant: si le gouvernement ne réagit et ne se montre pas ferme devant les violences, l'image qui tendait à s'améliorer va en reprendre un coup.
Ou alors c'est fait sciament. Une chose est sure cependant: si le gouvernement ne réagit et ne se montre pas ferme devant les violences, l'image qui tendait à s'améliorer va en reprendre un coup.
Bonjour Clavdia,
Oui, ça c'est sûr pour les Chinois.........!! 😏 Et il ne faut surtout pas gober tout ce que balancent les medias en ce moment!!!
Oui, ça c'est sûr pour les Chinois.........!! 😏 Et il ne faut surtout pas gober tout ce que balancent les medias en ce moment!!!
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Does anyone know of a private transfer or taxi company that organizes transfers from the Sukhothai area to Chiang Mai? Our routes are Sukhothai-Lampang, Lampang-Chom Thong, and Chom Thong-Chiang Mai. My searches on Google Maps, 12Go, and others haven’t turned up much...
For our Bangkok-Sukhothai trips, I use a company I’ve already tried, but they don’t have a fleet available from Sukhothai and have to go through third-party companies—which, understandably, take their commission. This nearly doubles the prices...
There are four of us, and we’re not traveling light, so a minibus isn’t an option. ;-)
Thanks for your tips! DrSnuggle
Bonjour,
En voyage en Thaïlande je suis à la recherche de jonc bouddhiste kumlai.
Quelqu’un saurait-il me guider pour en trouver?
À Bangkok j’ai visité quelques temple mais je n’en n’ai pas trouvé sur les magasins à proximité.
Si vous avez une idée je suis preneuse! Belle journée :-)
Hi there
My trip’s coming up, and I’m having a bit of trouble with three bus/minivan routes. Usually, I find everything at this time of year, but this time—yikes!
Sandakan → Sepilok: No app for this one—you just hop on bus #14 at the local terminal (pay cash on board). But where do I catch it, and where’s the stop??
Sandakan → Semporna: From what I’ve heard, it’s the Sida Express company (great name, right? 😄). Can’t book online, but apparently, you *have* to because there’s only one bus at 8 AM. Where do I board, and where does it drop me off?
Semporna → Tawau: Found this via AI—is it legit? No online booking, as far as I can tell. Minivans leave from a stop in the Jalan Hospital area, near the Milimewa supermarket, supposedly???? And when you arrive, does it drop you at **Sabindo Square** in Tawau?????
Thanks for any tips—I’m stuck!
My trip’s coming up, and I’m having a bit of trouble with three bus/minivan routes. Usually, I find everything at this time of year, but this time—yikes!
Sandakan → Sepilok: No app for this one—you just hop on bus #14 at the local terminal (pay cash on board). But where do I catch it, and where’s the stop??
Sandakan → Semporna: From what I’ve heard, it’s the Sida Express company (great name, right? 😄). Can’t book online, but apparently, you *have* to because there’s only one bus at 8 AM. Where do I board, and where does it drop me off?
Semporna → Tawau: Found this via AI—is it legit? No online booking, as far as I can tell. Minivans leave from a stop in the Jalan Hospital area, near the Milimewa supermarket, supposedly???? And when you arrive, does it drop you at **Sabindo Square** in Tawau?????
Thanks for any tips—I’m stuck!
Hi there,
we’ll be in Mai Chau in June and we’re thinking of heading to Sapa, but first spending a few days in Bac Ha to do some hiking and explore the area.
Is this a good idea for those who’ve been there?
How do you get there?
Thanks for your feedback.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Cédric.
Hi everyone. As I’m planning my trip for next winter, I’m looking for hotel suggestions in Camotes, Bantayan, Malapascua, Bohol, and Siquijor. The ones I had in mind seem to be fully booked (unless it’s too early?). For those familiar with the area, is it easy to find accommodations on the spot in January/February? I’m specifically looking for hotels with a pool, beachfront, air conditioning, and easy scooter rental nearby. Thanks for your tips!
Hi there,
I’m planning an itinerary and would love some feedback on whether it’s doable and if the number of days per destination is enough—or too much. I was also debating whether to add an extra night on an island or spend an extra night in Kampot to visit Kep or Battambang.
March 23: Arrival in Phnom Penh in the morning March 24: Phnom Penh March 25: Phnom Penh March 26: Depart for Kampot March 27: Kampot March 28: Depart for Battambang March 29: Battambang March 30: Tonlé SAP to Siem Reap March 31: Siem Reap April 1: Siem Reap April 2: Siem Reap April 3: Siem Reap April 4: Siem Reap April 5: Departure
Thanks for any suggestions or help!
March 23: Arrival in Phnom Penh in the morning March 24: Phnom Penh March 25: Phnom Penh March 26: Depart for Kampot March 27: Kampot March 28: Depart for Battambang March 29: Battambang March 30: Tonlé SAP to Siem Reap March 31: Siem Reap April 1: Siem Reap April 2: Siem Reap April 3: Siem Reap April 4: Siem Reap April 5: Departure
Thanks for any suggestions or help!
Hi there,
Yesterday in the Thailand section, 100% of the new threads were just about beach destinations 😕...
So here’s the counterattack in the form of this photo thread, dedicated solely to the countryside: the locals, their livestock, fields, farms, rice paddies, small rivers, and agricultural machinery. If you’ve got any pictures that fit these categories, feel free to add them!
Comments welcome.
For each photo, I’ll (or you can) indicate the area where it was taken.
Kanchanaburi:
Kanchanaburi:
Sri Chiangmai:
Soppong:
Tha Wang Pha:
Kanchanaburi:
Kanchanaburi:
Sri Chiangmai:
Soppong:
Tha Wang Pha:
🙂 Hi everyone!
Hope you're all doing well! It's been a while since I last traveled, but I'm finally heading out again soon!
For those familiar with SOUTHEAST ASIA, I'm planning to leave in mid-June (with the trip ending at the latest in November), and I don’t have a precise idea of exact places or itineraries yet. The thing is, this period is usually the rainy season...
Any advice? I was thinking of Malaysia or Indonesia, like Sulawesi, for example (all countries and islands in Southeast Asia interest me except Bali).
Any recommendations? I’m doing my research online, but if anyone here has the time and knowledge, I’d love to hear from you.
Thanks everyone, take care and stay happy! ❤️
Hope you're all doing well! It's been a while since I last traveled, but I'm finally heading out again soon!
For those familiar with SOUTHEAST ASIA, I'm planning to leave in mid-June (with the trip ending at the latest in November), and I don’t have a precise idea of exact places or itineraries yet. The thing is, this period is usually the rainy season...
Any advice? I was thinking of Malaysia or Indonesia, like Sulawesi, for example (all countries and islands in Southeast Asia interest me except Bali).
Any recommendations? I’m doing my research online, but if anyone here has the time and knowledge, I’d love to hear from you.
Thanks everyone, take care and stay happy! ❤️
Hi there,
My partner and I are planning a trip to Indonesia in September-October 2026. It’ll be our first time in Asia, and we’re thinking of hitting the classic spots in East Java and Bali, then wrapping up with a cruise around Komodo for some snorkeling/diving. Here’s a rough draft of our itinerary—I’m wondering if it’s doable.
20/09: Flight from Jakarta to Yogyakarta, arrive around noon, afternoon/evening and overnight in Yogyakarta. 21/09: Borobudur 22/09: Prambanan 23/09: Travel to Bromo (Cemoro Lawang) 24/09: Bromo 25/09: Kawa Ijen 26/09: Travel to Bali, overnight in Pemuteran 27/09: Excursion to Pulau Melujan, overnight in Pemuteran 28/09: Travel to Munduk, overnight in Munduk 29/09: Explore Munduk and surroundings, overnight in Munduk 30/09: Explore Munduk and surroundings, overnight in Munduk 01/10: Route to Ubud (via Pura Ulu Danau Bratan, Jatiluwih?), overnight in Ubud 02/10: Explore Ubud and surroundings, overnight in Ubud 03/10: Explore Ubud and surroundings, overnight in Ubud 04/10: Travel to Denpasar, flight to Labuan Bajo, overnight in Labuan Bajo 05/10: Komodo cruise 06/10: Komodo cruise 07/10: Komodo cruise, flight to Denpasar in the late afternoon/evening or overnight in Labuan Bajo. 08/10: Flight to Denpasar (if not taken the day before), afternoon in Jimbaran, overnight near Denpasar 09/10: 10:00 AM flight Denpasar - SIN, overnight in Singapore 10/10: Flight SIN-YQB
Thanks for your thoughts—and for your time!
My partner and I are planning a trip to Indonesia in September-October 2026. It’ll be our first time in Asia, and we’re thinking of hitting the classic spots in East Java and Bali, then wrapping up with a cruise around Komodo for some snorkeling/diving. Here’s a rough draft of our itinerary—I’m wondering if it’s doable.
20/09: Flight from Jakarta to Yogyakarta, arrive around noon, afternoon/evening and overnight in Yogyakarta. 21/09: Borobudur 22/09: Prambanan 23/09: Travel to Bromo (Cemoro Lawang) 24/09: Bromo 25/09: Kawa Ijen 26/09: Travel to Bali, overnight in Pemuteran 27/09: Excursion to Pulau Melujan, overnight in Pemuteran 28/09: Travel to Munduk, overnight in Munduk 29/09: Explore Munduk and surroundings, overnight in Munduk 30/09: Explore Munduk and surroundings, overnight in Munduk 01/10: Route to Ubud (via Pura Ulu Danau Bratan, Jatiluwih?), overnight in Ubud 02/10: Explore Ubud and surroundings, overnight in Ubud 03/10: Explore Ubud and surroundings, overnight in Ubud 04/10: Travel to Denpasar, flight to Labuan Bajo, overnight in Labuan Bajo 05/10: Komodo cruise 06/10: Komodo cruise 07/10: Komodo cruise, flight to Denpasar in the late afternoon/evening or overnight in Labuan Bajo. 08/10: Flight to Denpasar (if not taken the day before), afternoon in Jimbaran, overnight near Denpasar 09/10: 10:00 AM flight Denpasar - SIN, overnight in Singapore 10/10: Flight SIN-YQB
Thanks for your thoughts—and for your time!
Hi everyone,
My girlfriend and I booked our tickets with Saudia Airlines for a trip to Thailand this summer, from July 5th to August 3rd. Given the geopolitical situation in the Middle East, we’re keeping a close eye on the news.
I was wondering if anyone here is in the same situation as us?
• Have you heard anything about possible mass cancellations or if the airline is still maintaining its routes to Asia?
• Are there any travelers who’ve recently returned who could tell us if air corridors have been changed (longer flight times)?
The idea is to know what to expect so we can prepare as best as possible. Thanks for your replies! !
Hi everyone,
Thanks for all your contributions on the forum—they’ve really helped me plan my trip. There are four of us friends heading to Sulawesi for 20 days. Based on all your advice, I’ve put together the following itinerary:
July 30: Makassar – sightseeing July 31: Makassar – sightseeing + overnight bus to Rantepao August 1–7: Tana Toraja with a guide August 7: Tana Toraja to Tentena + visit Tentena August 8: Early departure with a private driver to Ampana, then ferry to the Togian Islands August 9–15: Togian Islands (2 different resorts) August 15: Depart Togian Islands for Luwuk August 16: Flight Luwuk to Makassar August 17: Rammang Rammang August 18: Stroll in Makassar, then return home
Overall, what do you think?
I also have a question about the connection between Tentena and the Togian Islands: Is it doable to leave early in the morning as planned and still be sure not to miss the ferry?
Thanks in advance for your feedback! :)
Thanks for all your contributions on the forum—they’ve really helped me plan my trip. There are four of us friends heading to Sulawesi for 20 days. Based on all your advice, I’ve put together the following itinerary:
July 30: Makassar – sightseeing July 31: Makassar – sightseeing + overnight bus to Rantepao August 1–7: Tana Toraja with a guide August 7: Tana Toraja to Tentena + visit Tentena August 8: Early departure with a private driver to Ampana, then ferry to the Togian Islands August 9–15: Togian Islands (2 different resorts) August 15: Depart Togian Islands for Luwuk August 16: Flight Luwuk to Makassar August 17: Rammang Rammang August 18: Stroll in Makassar, then return home
Overall, what do you think?
I also have a question about the connection between Tentena and the Togian Islands: Is it doable to leave early in the morning as planned and still be sure not to miss the ferry?
Thanks in advance for your feedback! :)
Hi everyone,
I’m currently working on a 30-day itinerary for May/June 2027.
10 days in eastern Java (Malang, Bromo, waterfalls, Meru Beriti Park, Banyuwangi, and Ijen), a short transit in Ubud for a few days, then Flores before heading back to Jakarta.
We’ll spend 15 days in Flores (the classic route: Moni, Bajawa, Riung, Ruteng, ending in Labuan Bajo).
I’d love some firsthand feedback on flights to Maumere or Ende from Bali Denpasar. I know there are no direct routes and that you have to connect through Labuan Bajo or Timor (I think), which isn’t an issue in itself.
But I’ve read here and there that flights to these destinations can be delayed—or worse, canceled—and that it’s better to fly in and out of Labuan Bajo, which isn’t exactly ideal...
Thanks for any tips or experiences you can share!
Hi everyone,
Family of 4—2 adults and 2 kids (11 and 15) who are well-traveled. We’re planning a 15-day trip to Indonesia and would love your thoughts on our itinerary. We love discovering local culture, food (!!), seeing beautiful landscapes, and keeping an active pace. We’re not the type to lounge on the beach for 5 hours or spend ages by the pool when we’re halfway across the world. Also, we try to avoid places "ruined" by mass tourism (like Holbox in Mexico, which we loved 10 years ago but not at all on our last visit, or Phi Phi in Thailand, completely destroyed by mass tourism).
Special note: we love traveling by train :)
Here’s what we’ve planned so far:
**Day 1** Arrival in Jakarta, then domestic flight to Yogyakarta. Settle in Yogyakarta.
**Day 2** Borobudur in the morning, then exploring nearby villages.
**Day 3** Prambanan in the morning, followed by culinary discovery / market / local vibe in Yogyakarta.
**Day 4** Train to Jombang, then driver/bus to the Bromo area. Overnight stay.
**Day 5** Sunrise at Bromo, exploring the volcano and sea of sand. Relax in the afternoon.
**Day 6** Travel to eastern Java, then train, ferry, and road to reach Sidemen in Bali.
**Day 7** Sidemen
**Day 8** Sidemen
**Day 9** Sidemen
**Day 10** Transfer to Gili Air (car to the port + fast boat?)
**Day 11** Gili Air
**Day 12** Gili Air
**Day 13** Transfer to Ubud
**Day 14** Ubud
**Day 15** Return to Bali airport, flight to Jakarta, then international flight.
Does this itinerary seem coherent for a family? Does it feel too packed or well-balanced? Would you make any changes to certain stops, durations, or transfers?
Thanks so much for your tips and experiences!
Family of 4—2 adults and 2 kids (11 and 15) who are well-traveled. We’re planning a 15-day trip to Indonesia and would love your thoughts on our itinerary. We love discovering local culture, food (!!), seeing beautiful landscapes, and keeping an active pace. We’re not the type to lounge on the beach for 5 hours or spend ages by the pool when we’re halfway across the world. Also, we try to avoid places "ruined" by mass tourism (like Holbox in Mexico, which we loved 10 years ago but not at all on our last visit, or Phi Phi in Thailand, completely destroyed by mass tourism).
Special note: we love traveling by train :)
Here’s what we’ve planned so far:
**Day 1** Arrival in Jakarta, then domestic flight to Yogyakarta. Settle in Yogyakarta.
**Day 2** Borobudur in the morning, then exploring nearby villages.
**Day 3** Prambanan in the morning, followed by culinary discovery / market / local vibe in Yogyakarta.
**Day 4** Train to Jombang, then driver/bus to the Bromo area. Overnight stay.
**Day 5** Sunrise at Bromo, exploring the volcano and sea of sand. Relax in the afternoon.
**Day 6** Travel to eastern Java, then train, ferry, and road to reach Sidemen in Bali.
**Day 7** Sidemen
**Day 8** Sidemen
**Day 9** Sidemen
**Day 10** Transfer to Gili Air (car to the port + fast boat?)
**Day 11** Gili Air
**Day 12** Gili Air
**Day 13** Transfer to Ubud
**Day 14** Ubud
**Day 15** Return to Bali airport, flight to Jakarta, then international flight.
Does this itinerary seem coherent for a family? Does it feel too packed or well-balanced? Would you make any changes to certain stops, durations, or transfers?
Thanks so much for your tips and experiences!