Budget pour deux mois et demi en Argentine?
by Louloli
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Bonjour, on part pour 2 mois et demi en Argentine, on a prévu Buenos Aires, descendre un petit bout de la côte, puis ushuaia, puis perito moreno, la région des lacs et on aimerait finir a iguazu, tout ceci en 2 mois et demi et avec un budget de 1400 euros chacun(on est deux).
Pensez-vous qu'en deux mois et demi on aura le temps de voir tout ça? On a vraiment envie de profiter du paysage, faire des treks, rencontrer plein de gens, et pas courrir dans tout les sens!!!
Et au niveau du budget que faut-il prévoir?
Et puis vos conseils ce que vous avez aimé? les moyens de transport que vous conseillez? et les beaux souvenirs que vous en gardez!!!!!🙂
A très vite!!!!!
Lou
louloli
Bonjour,
c'est un chouette projet de partir 1 an en Amérique latine dont 2 mois et demi en Argentine. :)
Deux mois et demi, ça me paraît parfait comme délais pour visiter les endroits les plus importants du pays.
Pour ce qui est du budget, difficile à dire. Je crois que 1400 euros ça te fait à peu près 4700 pesos (moi je passe par le franc suisse pour calculer). une nuit en dortoit dans un hostel coûte (enfin, coûtait en février 2006) entre 17 et 26 pesos. (avec une moyenne de 60 nuits à 20 pesos t'es déjà à 1200, - dépensés) les trajets en bus ne sont pas cher pour ce que c'est (les distances sont énormes, les bus confortables, avec nourriture et en plus t'économises l'auberge parce quue beaucoup de trajets se font de nuit) mais une 50-100 pesos y passent à chaque fois (l'autostop serait un moyen d'économiser un peu, mais à ce que j'ai entendu ça ne marche pas des masses, surtout en Patagonie où il n'y a pas un si grand trafic que ça) les excursions, c'est ce qui coûte le plus cher-> voir les baleines à Peninsula Valdés-> entrer au parc naturel à Ushuaia-> faire un petit tour un bateau du coté des iles bridges (Ushuaia)-> la plupart des parcs naturels ont une entrée payante (ceci n'est par exemple pas le cas au parque national des glaciers. tu entres gratos et sur le parcours des treks autour de fitz roy les campings sont aussi gratos. Et la meileure nouvelle ? C'EST MAGNIFIQUE !) et puis, la nourriture : elle n'est pas chère, mais sur 2, 5 mois ça fait quand même un budget, , , surtout que lorsque tu auras vu les steaks dans les restos, tu ne pourras pas t'empêcher d'y aller manger quelques fois ;)
Pour finir, je dirais que 1400 euros c'est assez serré, mais je pense que c'est tout à fait jouable pour visiter le pays. :)
Pour ce qui est du budget, difficile à dire. Je crois que 1400 euros ça te fait à peu près 4700 pesos (moi je passe par le franc suisse pour calculer). une nuit en dortoit dans un hostel coûte (enfin, coûtait en février 2006) entre 17 et 26 pesos. (avec une moyenne de 60 nuits à 20 pesos t'es déjà à 1200, - dépensés) les trajets en bus ne sont pas cher pour ce que c'est (les distances sont énormes, les bus confortables, avec nourriture et en plus t'économises l'auberge parce quue beaucoup de trajets se font de nuit) mais une 50-100 pesos y passent à chaque fois (l'autostop serait un moyen d'économiser un peu, mais à ce que j'ai entendu ça ne marche pas des masses, surtout en Patagonie où il n'y a pas un si grand trafic que ça) les excursions, c'est ce qui coûte le plus cher-> voir les baleines à Peninsula Valdés-> entrer au parc naturel à Ushuaia-> faire un petit tour un bateau du coté des iles bridges (Ushuaia)-> la plupart des parcs naturels ont une entrée payante (ceci n'est par exemple pas le cas au parque national des glaciers. tu entres gratos et sur le parcours des treks autour de fitz roy les campings sont aussi gratos. Et la meileure nouvelle ? C'EST MAGNIFIQUE !) et puis, la nourriture : elle n'est pas chère, mais sur 2, 5 mois ça fait quand même un budget, , , surtout que lorsque tu auras vu les steaks dans les restos, tu ne pourras pas t'empêcher d'y aller manger quelques fois ;)
Pour finir, je dirais que 1400 euros c'est assez serré, mais je pense que c'est tout à fait jouable pour visiter le pays. :)
🙂Merci tout d'abord pour ta réponse!!!
Et oui je vois bien que 1400euros ca va etre difficile!!!Mais on est plutot tente qu'hostel, on a deja ce qu'il faut pour pas mourir de froid sous la tente!!!!
Donc estce que tu penses qu'en se limitant aux campings et voyages de nuit, c'est plutot faisable?????
Et sais tu quel budget je dois prévoir + ou- pour barrouder trankille en amérique du sud pour 8 mois/1 an ??Connaistu le wwoofing???
J'arrete de te harceler de questions😉!!!!!!!
Merci
Lou
louloli
salut
va voir les reponses de herge
http://voyageforum.com/...ing=wwoofing;#730016
ou bien
www.wwoof.org/
http://voyageforum.com/...ing=wwoofing;#730016
ou bien
www.wwoof.org/
Ah ben c'est sur que si tu vas dans les campings au lieu d'aller dans les auberges tu vas économiser pas mal d'argent (à priori je dirais la moitié du budget logement). Et si pour les treks tu n'as pas de matos à louer (tente justement), tu en économiseras encore d'avantage.
Cela dit, fais attention. Moi je me suis baladé avec un sac à dos de 15kg et c'est déjà beaucoup (pourtant je suis un mec de 80kg). Quand tu dois marcher avec ça (surtout à la montagne), tu sens chaque gramme (une fois, vers Fitz Roy
Cela dit, fais attention. Moi je me suis baladé avec un sac à dos de 15kg et c'est déjà beaucoup (pourtant je suis un mec de 80kg). Quand tu dois marcher avec ça (surtout à la montagne), tu sens chaque gramme (une fois, vers Fitz Roy
salut Lou
moi c anne-lise, Paris
je quitte paris en septembre 2007 pour 10/12 mois à travers le continent sud américain à la découverte de ses grands espaces, à travers le wwoofing, pour un budget allégé, et l'enrichissante expérience de partager la vie des communautés de wwoofer !
Il faut que l'on s'échange nos tuyaux !
@++😏
alors la j'allucine les coincidences!!!
je pars justement deux mois et demi en argentine, au meme dates que toi avec una amie ont la collocataire s'appelle anne lise et part en amerique du sud pendant le meme duree.
on pourrait peut etre se voir avant de partir et faire un bout de chemin ensemble.
ben
on pourrait peut etre se voir avant de partir et faire un bout de chemin ensemble.
ben
Souris à la vie, la vie te sourira.
Ce n'est pas une connaisseur, mais "zune" .. et une humble 😛
Question budjet, nous, on a pas vraiment trop compté, car je pars du principe que si c'est pour trop se priver ou galerer, il vaut mieux rester chez soi.
Nous, on a fait la boucle B.A, la Patagonie, le desert d'Atacama et BA en 2 mois et demie avec notre adorable CC (camping car) et on n'a pas courru... c'est pas le style de notre Skargo 😛... soit 18000 kms tout de même. On donne des infos interessantes, des points GPS... dans le Carnet de Bord, sur notre site. Si cela vous dit, allez jetez un oeil (puis l'autre) sur www.hylas.ws ... et même que d'ici peu de temps, vous aurez enfin droit à la dernière mise en ligne du périple.. Mais comme on voyage trop.. on a pas toujours le temps d'écrire..
Bonne lecture et regalez vous tous en Amérique latine : l'Argentine et le Chili nous ont totalement E-POUS-TOU-FLEES !!!
F.
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Hola louloli ! que tal ?
Désolé pour le message blanc...je t'avais écris une belle page et quand j'ai voulu prévisualiser le texte....
on me l'a mangé tout cru !
Voilá ce que je te racontais...:
question budget je pense que c'est un peu juste même si la valeur du peso a chuté il y a 3 ans...
En gros, plus tu descends vers le sud plus c'est cher car tout est importé du nord...pas grand chose ne pousse à par les moutons...délicieux entre nous...tu peux payer en dollar sans problème partout !
Je te conseille vivement la chambre chez l'habitant très abordable. En plus tu as l'occasion de rencontrer des gens du coin et de mieux connaitre leur réalité . Tu fais vite des progrès en espagnol...à moins que ce ne soit déjà acquis et tu peux demander de laver ton linge...c'est bien pratique !
Ma compagne et moi même y sommes réstés 3 mois. N'envisages pas de louer un véhicule c'est franchement inabordable...
Question visite : ne pas rater le perito moreno si tu as une tente, passes une nuit dans la forêt et écoutes les claquements de la glace qui s'éffondre dans l'eau...
Je te conseille de délaisser le Fitz roy (joli mais plein de trekkers et d'escaladeurs et pas d'animaux ) pour te retourner vers le Paine au chili à deux pas de Calafate. C'est franchement le plus beau des parcs animaliers
d'amerique du sud. Discutes avec les gardiens à l'entrée qui te guideront vers les sites animaliers (guanacos, autruche, flamands roses et oies de Magellan à gogo). La plupart des marcheurs prennent des sentiers types et voient peu de choses. Prends vraiment le temps de parler aux autochtones qui sont super accueuillant au Chili.
Il y a bcp de connexions en bus de El calafate à Puerto Natales.
Nos plus belles découvertes sont Le parc du Paine, Punta tombo (camper au milieu des manchots...) Les cuevas de las manos moins accessibles et les arbres pétrifiés vers Comodoro rivadavia.
Valdes vaut la peine si tu as un véhicule car les bus ne s'arrettent qu'au points touristes...à voir.
Au Nord si tu aimes les voyages historique les missions jésuites sont une petite merveille et tu es en plein dans les champs de mate. Iguaçu c'est très beau et plein de monde !
Si tu as des questions précises n'hésites pas...
hasta luego y buen viaje !
remalix
nb: cette fois je ne prévisualise pas...
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Coucou Remalix !!!
Merci beaucoup pour toutes tes réponses et tes infos!!!!!
J'ai une question à te poser, pour les cataratas d'iguazu, on m'a plutôt conseillé le côté brésilien, toi qu'en penses-tu?On m'a dit que la vue est plus impressionnante et plus belle?
J'attends tes conseils avisés!!
Merci
Lou🙂😉
louloli
Bonjour Louloli,
Il n'y a pas un côté plus beau que l'autre... ils sont différents et il faut voir les 2. Du côté brésilien ( à faire en premier pour ne pas être déçu plus tard ) on a une vue générale des chutes. On est assez loin de l'eau sauf sur la fin de l'unique sentier où l'on arrive au pied de Garganta del Diablo. Du côté argentin on a de temps en temps une vue génerale mais on est le plus souvent au-dessus ou à coté des chutes. Il y a plusieurs sentiers ( Superior, Garganta del Diablo, Inferior, Isla San Martin, Interior ). Si tu n'as pas le temps de tout visiter en un jour ( ce qui est probable ) fais tamponner ton ticket d'entrée en sortant du parc pour une nouvelle visite le lendemain à 50% du prix. @+
Christian.
Il n'y a pas un côté plus beau que l'autre... ils sont différents et il faut voir les 2. Du côté brésilien ( à faire en premier pour ne pas être déçu plus tard ) on a une vue générale des chutes. On est assez loin de l'eau sauf sur la fin de l'unique sentier où l'on arrive au pied de Garganta del Diablo. Du côté argentin on a de temps en temps une vue génerale mais on est le plus souvent au-dessus ou à coté des chutes. Il y a plusieurs sentiers ( Superior, Garganta del Diablo, Inferior, Isla San Martin, Interior ). Si tu n'as pas le temps de tout visiter en un jour ( ce qui est probable ) fais tamponner ton ticket d'entrée en sortant du parc pour une nouvelle visite le lendemain à 50% du prix. @+
Christian.
N'envisages pas de louer un véhicule c'est franchement inabordable..
Salut, merci de nous avoir fait partager ton experience. Crois tu que pour 4 personnes ca soit plus cher la location de voiture que le bus ? merci cecile
Salut, merci de nous avoir fait partager ton experience. Crois tu que pour 4 personnes ca soit plus cher la location de voiture que le bus ? merci cecile
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hola que tal ?
Tout depend de ta destination. Diviser par 4 la location est interessante mais on loue par 24h et si on depasse
le kilometrage prevu ca monte vite. Par contre tu as la liberte de mouvement et tous les bus ne vont pas forcement aux endroits recherches. les tarifs varient entre les compagnies mais compte une moyenne de 50 euros la journee en Patagonie.
Hasta luego
remalix
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Hola que tal ?
La respuesta de Christian es muy buena.
La vista del lado Brasileño me parece mas amplia pero para elegir es algo muy personal.
Hay que ver los dos y decidir despues...
Si necesitas traduccion es solo responder...
Hasta la vista
remalix
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Hola de nuevo 🙂
J'ai oublié de te dire une chose : irez-vous à Ushuaia pour une raison particulière ?
Car c'est franchement une destination que l'on peut laisser de côté...
Parmi les sites à voir je trouve qu'on en fait tout un tas mais cette ville est plus attrayante par son histoire que par sa beauté. Tu peux donc à mon humble avis délaisser ce site pour consacrer plus de temps au chili par exemple...On perd vite 2 à 3 jours inutilement et l'argent économisé sur ce trajet peut servir à l'achat de souvenirs comme un bon poncho fait main ou de l'artisanat en cuir ...Les Argentins excellent dans ces domaines. Et puis cela fait vivre mieux les gens qui peuplent ces magnifiques contrees...
Preparez bien vos muscles maxillaires car vous mangerez de la viande et...de la viande.
Elle vaut sa reputation et vous pouvez commander un plat pour deux comme au Bresil ou l'on exagere avec les quantités...Profitez aussi des vins... et du maté délicieux ou du terere dans le nord.
Bon comme tu vois j'en rêve encore...D'ailleurs nous préparons activement une année en Amérique du sud
mais avec notre céllule amovible cette fois et avec notre p'tit bout d'chou .
Un abrazo.
remalix
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Perdona remalix, no se lo que ha pasado!!!!🙂
Te decia muchas gracias una vez mas para tus consejos!!!!y no hace falta traducciones( no soy una verdadera francesa!!!jejeje)😛
En cuanto a lo de Ushuaia, es algo de nina, quiero verlo!!Me hace ilsusion, acercarme lo mas, del antarctico!!!!!
Que bien lo de vuestro viaje a america del sur, yo tambien, estoy viendo para irme un anito en 2008, para ver un poco America del sur!!!!!segimos en contacto🙂
Que todo te vaya muy bien, y al bout'chou tambien😉
Lou
louloli
T'as raison, il ne faut pas prévisualiser ces maudits messages!!!!!jejejejejeje
Bon je te remercie pour tout tes précieux conseils, j'en prendrai bien note et bon voyage a vous 3 avec le pti bout🙂
Je pars aussi en Amerique du sud pour plusieurs mois fin 2007/début2008
on reste en contact
un saludo
louloli
Hola che !
C'est un beau programme plusieurs mois...
Est-ce que tu vas voyager ou travailler, voir les deux ?...
Comme nous prévoyons de partir juillet 2008, tu auras certainement de bons tuyaux à nous donner...
ça c'est cool !
Question billets d'avion, jusqu'à présent Iberia a toujours été parmi les moins chers via Madrid...
Si tu as de bonnes adresses, je suis preneur.!!!!
Bueno, un abrazo y viva Argentina !
Remalix
nb : Hay gobierno ? yo soy contra...y viva la revolucion !
nb : Hay gobierno ? yo soy contra...y viva la revolucion !
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je ne sais si ma reponse arrive trop tard mais je suis moi meme en argentine ( ds le NOA essentiellement depuis le 20 sept jusqu'au 19 dec) et je ne lis pas regulierement les mails car en plus j'ai des activites militantes sur un petit village apres la salinas grandes, l'aide a une ecole....
Votre periple me semble tout a fait realisable dans le temps donne....au point de vue finance, je suis nulle pour prevoir ...alors j'aime mieux rien dire
Si vous avez besoin de lieux interessants et sympa pour dormir faites moi signme: j'ai une adresse chez l'habitant a Ushuaia...des adresses a el calafate....et autres...Iguazu aussi: j'etais recemment a l'hostel Paquita....tres bien et tres sympa
A votre disposition
Nicole
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Peux tu me redire de quelles adresses dont tu as besoin?
Sur Ushuaia?
si oui contacte de ma part Maria Teresa
Elle a des chbres bien moins cheres que l'hotel ds une maison super sypa, bain a bulles....accueil chaleureux
sont mail: mery_av1@yahoo.com.ar
Elle a un site mais je ne l'ai pas avec moi ( je suis en argentine en ce moment)
Son tel; 02901 42 45 56
Si tu as besoin d'autres lieux, recontacte moi, meme sur mon mail perso: nicole.brondy@wanadoo.fr
Nicole
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In France, banks don’t issue credit cards, right—or am I mistaken?
Thanks for your help!
My rentals are with Figal in Punta Arenas, Econautos in Arica, and Chilean Rent a Car in Temuco, and all of them want the deposit on a credit card. For me, deferred debit *should* work, but I’ve read comments saying the opposite.
How’s it actually working on the ground with these rental companies right now? Will a deferred debit card work, or not at all?
In France, banks don’t issue credit cards, right—or am I mistaken?
Thanks for your help!
Hi everyone, is it still possible to travel in Ecuador outside the Amazon region? If so, do you have a reliable agency to recommend? All your recent experiences from the past few months would be greatly appreciated. Thanks so much
Hi,
We’re heading to Buenos Aires for 3 days in November and would like to do a guided tour of a few neighborhoods. There are "free" tours, but none in French. Does anyone have a guide to recommend so we can really get to know the city beyond just the architecture?
Thanks
Hi there,
I’m desperately looking for info on the schedules and routes of (shared) boats to visit the islands of Lake Titicaca.
From what I’ve found, there’s a *combi* (bus) that leaves from Puno to go to Llachon. Where do you catch it? What are the schedules and frequency? Does it take about 1 hour?
Then in Llachon, you can take a boat to Amantani (45 min). Same question—where do you check for frequency and schedule? After that, from Amantani, boats go to Taquile and then Uros. Do you have enough time to visit the islands between two boats? Frequency and schedule?
The goal is to do this tour independently (no agency) over 2 days. Thanks for any tips you might have!
Then in Llachon, you can take a boat to Amantani (45 min). Same question—where do you check for frequency and schedule? After that, from Amantani, boats go to Taquile and then Uros. Do you have enough time to visit the islands between two boats? Frequency and schedule?
The goal is to do this tour independently (no agency) over 2 days. Thanks for any tips you might have!
Hey everyone,
I just got back from a trip to Bolivia and wow—what a wake-up call. It’s not the easiest country, but it’s absolutely stunning.
I started with Isla del Sol, perfect for easing into the altitude at a relaxed pace. Try to stay in the northern part of the island—it’s quieter and the views are insane. And the trout there? Unreal. Quick tip: bring cash in small bills; they almost never have change, and cards are rarely accepted.
Next up, La Paz. The city’s pretty wild, built in every direction. I did a few hikes in the area, including the famous Charquini Lagoon (the blue lake) at over 5,000 m—let’s just say I struggled 😅 but it was so beautiful it was totally worth it.
After that, I headed to Sajama. It’s cool, especially for the hot springs, and I stayed in Tomarapi. But honestly, if you’re short on time, you can skip it without too many regrets.
The highlight of the trip: the Salar. I did it starting from Tupiza, and I *highly* recommend going Tupiza → Uyuni. Way less crowded at the start and the landscapes are super varied. For the tour, I used SplitYourGuide to find a group, and it worked out great. Super handy for splitting costs and meeting people.
I wrapped up in Sucre—this city is gorgeous, all white, with such a chill vibe. And the salteñas + ice cream? Next level 😋
Bottom line: Bolivia’s a bit rough around the edges, sometimes exhausting (shoutout to the altitude), but it’s 1000% worth it.
If you’ve got questions or need tips, I’m happy to help! Martin
I just got back from a trip to Bolivia and wow—what a wake-up call. It’s not the easiest country, but it’s absolutely stunning.
I started with Isla del Sol, perfect for easing into the altitude at a relaxed pace. Try to stay in the northern part of the island—it’s quieter and the views are insane. And the trout there? Unreal. Quick tip: bring cash in small bills; they almost never have change, and cards are rarely accepted.
Next up, La Paz. The city’s pretty wild, built in every direction. I did a few hikes in the area, including the famous Charquini Lagoon (the blue lake) at over 5,000 m—let’s just say I struggled 😅 but it was so beautiful it was totally worth it.
After that, I headed to Sajama. It’s cool, especially for the hot springs, and I stayed in Tomarapi. But honestly, if you’re short on time, you can skip it without too many regrets.
The highlight of the trip: the Salar. I did it starting from Tupiza, and I *highly* recommend going Tupiza → Uyuni. Way less crowded at the start and the landscapes are super varied. For the tour, I used SplitYourGuide to find a group, and it worked out great. Super handy for splitting costs and meeting people.
I wrapped up in Sucre—this city is gorgeous, all white, with such a chill vibe. And the salteñas + ice cream? Next level 😋
Bottom line: Bolivia’s a bit rough around the edges, sometimes exhausting (shoutout to the altitude), but it’s 1000% worth it.
If you’ve got questions or need tips, I’m happy to help! Martin
hi,
I was planning to go to Réunion and stay in half-board accommodation with non-professionals, but it seems that’s not really the custom there—or maybe my budget isn’t big enough.
So, since I’ve already traveled around Ecuador and Peru, I’m now looking at Argentina, especially for its mountains (like the ones in Réunion that tempted me, even though—frustratingly—I could only admire them from below).
I plan to get around by bus and don’t know in advance where I’ll sleep, so I won’t book ahead. If I like a place, I might stay for several days.
I know that in Chile, it’s easy to find half-board accommodation, but what about in Argentina?
I’d like to stay with locals in half-board without it being a professional setup. I’m not sure if this is common practice there. It’s up to me to find someone willing to host me. What do you think? What would be a fair price (keeping in mind that 40 to 50 € is the max I can spend on accommodation, breakfast, and dinner)?
Looking forward to your feedback.
Best regards,
I was planning to go to Réunion and stay in half-board accommodation with non-professionals, but it seems that’s not really the custom there—or maybe my budget isn’t big enough.
So, since I’ve already traveled around Ecuador and Peru, I’m now looking at Argentina, especially for its mountains (like the ones in Réunion that tempted me, even though—frustratingly—I could only admire them from below).
I plan to get around by bus and don’t know in advance where I’ll sleep, so I won’t book ahead. If I like a place, I might stay for several days.
I know that in Chile, it’s easy to find half-board accommodation, but what about in Argentina?
I’d like to stay with locals in half-board without it being a professional setup. I’m not sure if this is common practice there. It’s up to me to find someone willing to host me. What do you think? What would be a fair price (keeping in mind that 40 to 50 € is the max I can spend on accommodation, breakfast, and dinner)?
Looking forward to your feedback.
Best regards,
Hi everyone,
We’re heading to Patagonia for three weeks in November, starting from Coyhaique in Chile.
We won’t have a car, and I’m struggling to find information about transportation options for a few parts of the itinerary we’d like to do:
1) From Perito Moreno (the town, near Los Antiguos), we’d like to travel down Ruta 40 to visit Perito Moreno National Park and then cross into Chile via the Paso Roballos (at the latitude of Bajo Caracoles) to reach the road to Cochrane. Without a car, it seems we’ll need to use private agencies to get to the national park—do you have any recommendations or suggestions? Also, does anyone know if it’s possible to cross into Chile via Paso Roballos (from Bajo Caracoles) without a rental car? That is, without having to go all the way down to El Chaltén or back up toward Perito Moreno/Los Antiguos, etc.?
2) The second stretch that seems a bit tricky (though still easier, in theory) is from Caleta Tortel to Villa O’Higgins on the Chilean side. Do we have to go back through Cochrane, or are there ways to get directly from Tortel to Villa O’Higgins?
3) Finally, we’d like to hike into Argentina (El Chaltén) from O’Higgins. Any recommendations for this? Do we need to go through an agency? What’s the estimated duration of the trek?
As you’ve probably gathered, we want to visit some off-the-beaten-path spots but don’t have a car, so we’re looking for the best possible compromises.
Thanks so much in advance for all your suggestions! Thomas
1) From Perito Moreno (the town, near Los Antiguos), we’d like to travel down Ruta 40 to visit Perito Moreno National Park and then cross into Chile via the Paso Roballos (at the latitude of Bajo Caracoles) to reach the road to Cochrane. Without a car, it seems we’ll need to use private agencies to get to the national park—do you have any recommendations or suggestions? Also, does anyone know if it’s possible to cross into Chile via Paso Roballos (from Bajo Caracoles) without a rental car? That is, without having to go all the way down to El Chaltén or back up toward Perito Moreno/Los Antiguos, etc.?
2) The second stretch that seems a bit tricky (though still easier, in theory) is from Caleta Tortel to Villa O’Higgins on the Chilean side. Do we have to go back through Cochrane, or are there ways to get directly from Tortel to Villa O’Higgins?
3) Finally, we’d like to hike into Argentina (El Chaltén) from O’Higgins. Any recommendations for this? Do we need to go through an agency? What’s the estimated duration of the trek?
As you’ve probably gathered, we want to visit some off-the-beaten-path spots but don’t have a car, so we’re looking for the best possible compromises.
Thanks so much in advance for all your suggestions! Thomas
Hi,
we’re planning a round trip from San Pedro de Atacama, Chile, to Salta, Argentina, in two months. On the way there, we’ll take the northern route via Susques, Route 27, then 52. But for the return, we were thinking of taking the southern route via San Antonio de los Cobres, Route 51, then 23. Is it similar to the northern route in terms of road surface? How busy is it, and are there gas stations? Basically, should we be worried about doing it in an SUV that’s supposedly 4x4 but has regular road tires and no second spare wheel, obviously...
I’ve seen that we can stop over in San Antonio de los Cobres.
Thanks for your feedback.
Raf.
Hi,
we’ll be in Calama at the end of March 2026, and I’m looking for a reliable car rental there for a 7-day road trip to Salta, Argentina. But I’m struggling with the car rental agencies in Calama because the reviews can be scary. I saw Gyg, which has great ratings, but I’m a bit wary (5/5 from 59 reviews—either the guy’s amazing or it’s fake...), but I can’t find any recent reviews on VF in general.
For Punta Arenas, I booked with Dachelet and didn’t have any issues with email exchanges.
Thanks in advance.
Raf.
Hi everyone!
I’m planning the trip of my dreams for next November—Chile! I’d love to get your thoughts on my potential itinerary. I know it’s a big investment in terms of both time and money, so every bit of feedback, suggestion, or info helps immensely. Thank you in advance!!
1-Flight to Santiago
2-Explore Santiago
3-Explore Santiago
4-Bus from STG to Valpo (2h) + visit Valparaíso + night in Viña
5-Visit Valparaíso + bus back to STG (2h)
6-Flight to Calama + bus to San Pedro + explore and acclimate in San Pedro + car rental in the afternoon (+Chaxa?)
7-(Very early) Valle del Arcoíris + Laguna Cejar + Valle de la Luna
8-Laguna Miñiques & Miscanti + Salar de Talar + Laguna Tuyajto
9-Geysers El Tatio early in the morning + Cañón de Guatín + return car
10-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni
11-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni
12-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni
13-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni + return to San Pedro for the night
14-Bus to Calama + flight Calama-La Serena + explore La Serena
15-Excursion to Reserva Pingüino + bonus time (sunset at Playa Tongoy or elsewhere...)
16-Rent a car in Pisco Elqui & Vicuña + Observatory
17-Return car in La Serena + flight Santiago & Puerto Montt (4h)
18-Rent a 4x2 car + drive to Temuco (4h)
19-Reserva Nacional Malalcahuello + hike + night in Temuco
20-Parque Nacional Conguillío then drive and night in Pucón
21-Villarrica Volcano
22-Parque Huerquehue
23-Activities on-site
24-Drive to Valdivia + explore and night there
25-Drive to Puerto Varas (via Frutillar, etc.) + activities on-site
26-Salto Las Cascadas + Parque Nacional Vicente Pérez Rosales (Salto del Petrohué) + Canoeing/Rafting?
27-Drive to Parque Alerce Andino (round trip 3h) + hike Sendero Sargazo?
28-Drive to Castro + explore Chiloé and night in Castro
29-Explore Chiloé
30-Explore Chiloé + return to Puerto Varas
31-Drive to Cochamó (1h30) + drive to Hornopirén (2h30)
32-Ferry to Caleta Gonzalo + drive to Chaitén (1h20)
33-Parque Nacional Pumalín, night in Chaitén
34-Drive to Puyuhuapi + Sendero Ventisquero Yelcho?
35-Ventisquero Colgante + drive to Coyhaique
36-Drive to Villa Cerro Castillo
37-Hike Cerro Castillo
38-Drive to Puerto Río Tranquilo
39-Excursion to Glaciar Exploradores
40-Mármol Cathedral + lake activities
41-Drive to Cochrane
42-Parque Patagonia
43-Drive to Chile Chico
44-Ferry Chile Chico-Ibañez + drive to Coyhaique + drop off car
45-Flight to Punta Arenas (1h30) + explore the city
46-Rent a car + drive to Puerto Natales
47-Drive to Torres del Paine in the morning + hike to the base of the towers (return to Puerto Natales for the night)
48-Torres del Paine hike 2 (return to Puerto Natales for the night)
49-Torres del Paine hike 3 (return to Puerto Natales for the night)
50-Drive to Punta Arenas
51-Flight Punta Arenas-Santiago + flight Santiago-Buenos Aires (2h)
52-Explore Buenos Aires
53-Explore Buenos Aires
54-Explore Buenos Aires
55-Flight back to France
I’m planning the trip of my dreams for next November—Chile! I’d love to get your thoughts on my potential itinerary. I know it’s a big investment in terms of both time and money, so every bit of feedback, suggestion, or info helps immensely. Thank you in advance!!
1-Flight to Santiago
2-Explore Santiago
3-Explore Santiago
4-Bus from STG to Valpo (2h) + visit Valparaíso + night in Viña
5-Visit Valparaíso + bus back to STG (2h)
6-Flight to Calama + bus to San Pedro + explore and acclimate in San Pedro + car rental in the afternoon (+Chaxa?)
7-(Very early) Valle del Arcoíris + Laguna Cejar + Valle de la Luna
8-Laguna Miñiques & Miscanti + Salar de Talar + Laguna Tuyajto
9-Geysers El Tatio early in the morning + Cañón de Guatín + return car
10-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni
11-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni
12-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni
13-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni + return to San Pedro for the night
14-Bus to Calama + flight Calama-La Serena + explore La Serena
15-Excursion to Reserva Pingüino + bonus time (sunset at Playa Tongoy or elsewhere...)
16-Rent a car in Pisco Elqui & Vicuña + Observatory
17-Return car in La Serena + flight Santiago & Puerto Montt (4h)
18-Rent a 4x2 car + drive to Temuco (4h)
19-Reserva Nacional Malalcahuello + hike + night in Temuco
20-Parque Nacional Conguillío then drive and night in Pucón
21-Villarrica Volcano
22-Parque Huerquehue
23-Activities on-site
24-Drive to Valdivia + explore and night there
25-Drive to Puerto Varas (via Frutillar, etc.) + activities on-site
26-Salto Las Cascadas + Parque Nacional Vicente Pérez Rosales (Salto del Petrohué) + Canoeing/Rafting?
27-Drive to Parque Alerce Andino (round trip 3h) + hike Sendero Sargazo?
28-Drive to Castro + explore Chiloé and night in Castro
29-Explore Chiloé
30-Explore Chiloé + return to Puerto Varas
31-Drive to Cochamó (1h30) + drive to Hornopirén (2h30)
32-Ferry to Caleta Gonzalo + drive to Chaitén (1h20)
33-Parque Nacional Pumalín, night in Chaitén
34-Drive to Puyuhuapi + Sendero Ventisquero Yelcho?
35-Ventisquero Colgante + drive to Coyhaique
36-Drive to Villa Cerro Castillo
37-Hike Cerro Castillo
38-Drive to Puerto Río Tranquilo
39-Excursion to Glaciar Exploradores
40-Mármol Cathedral + lake activities
41-Drive to Cochrane
42-Parque Patagonia
43-Drive to Chile Chico
44-Ferry Chile Chico-Ibañez + drive to Coyhaique + drop off car
45-Flight to Punta Arenas (1h30) + explore the city
46-Rent a car + drive to Puerto Natales
47-Drive to Torres del Paine in the morning + hike to the base of the towers (return to Puerto Natales for the night)
48-Torres del Paine hike 2 (return to Puerto Natales for the night)
49-Torres del Paine hike 3 (return to Puerto Natales for the night)
50-Drive to Punta Arenas
51-Flight Punta Arenas-Santiago + flight Santiago-Buenos Aires (2h)
52-Explore Buenos Aires
53-Explore Buenos Aires
54-Explore Buenos Aires
55-Flight back to France
Good evening,
We’d love to go in November to enjoy some beautiful beaches for about two weeks, preferably around Bahia, as November/December seems like a great time.
We’ve already traveled to Brazil several times and know the south of Rio as well as the region between São Luís and Fortaleza, and Chapada Diamantina...
What advice would you give us: the south with Itaparica, Morro de São Paulo, Boipeba, Barra Grande—or all four? Or maybe the north?
Thanks in advance for your help
Hi everyone, it’s been a while since I last posted!
First time in South America for me, my wife, and our 7-year-old son. I’ve put together this itinerary and would love to hear your thoughts:
Bogotá 28/07 – 30/07: Arrival. Which neighborhood and outings would you recommend? Flight to
2 Filandia 30/07 – 03/08: (255 €). Waterfalls and horseback riding, Cocora Valley, Hiking, Nearby villages. Flight to 3 Tayrona 03/08 – 07/08: Hotel La Casablanca
Hike with Tierra Nevada and the Kogui village (any feedback?). Return by inner tube for the little one. Short night hike. Second hike to La Piscina, etc., return by 🐎.
4 Cartagena 07/08 – 10/08: Air-conditioned bus. Staying in Getsemaní? Mangroves & the Castle, exploring the city.
5 Bogotá 10/08 – 12/08
Feel free to share your feedback! Have a great day!
Seb
First time in South America for me, my wife, and our 7-year-old son. I’ve put together this itinerary and would love to hear your thoughts:
Bogotá 28/07 – 30/07: Arrival. Which neighborhood and outings would you recommend? Flight to
2 Filandia 30/07 – 03/08: (255 €). Waterfalls and horseback riding, Cocora Valley, Hiking, Nearby villages. Flight to 3 Tayrona 03/08 – 07/08: Hotel La Casablanca
Hike with Tierra Nevada and the Kogui village (any feedback?). Return by inner tube for the little one. Short night hike. Second hike to La Piscina, etc., return by 🐎.
4 Cartagena 07/08 – 10/08: Air-conditioned bus. Staying in Getsemaní? Mangroves & the Castle, exploring the city.
5 Bogotá 10/08 – 12/08
Feel free to share your feedback! Have a great day!
Seb
Hi,
During an upcoming trip to Peru, we’ll have one day to explore around Arequipa (excluding Colca Canyon) with a car and driver.
We’ve got a few options:
- Toro Muerto petroglyphs and dinosaur footprints at Querulpa
- Ruta del Sillar and Quebrada de Culebrillas
What do you think? Any recommendations?
Thanks in advance! Larri
What do you think? Any recommendations?
Thanks in advance! Larri
We’re a group of 6 friends with an average age of 70, all mobile, and we’re planning a trip to Peru in September/October 2026. Below is an idea of what we’re looking for: a French-speaking guide, accommodation in 3-star hotels or homestays with comfort.
Duration: 16 to 20 days on-site.
Visit the main sites with immersion in the culture and way of life.
Which francophone agency in Peru would you recommend? Thanks
Hi there!
I’m putting together my itinerary for Brazil, looking for beautiful natural spots with wildlife, flora, and great hikes...
I’ve come across the Cananeia / Super Agui / Ilha do Mel region and the PETAR / Intervales / Alto Ribeira area.
Has anyone here been to these places? If so, do you have any recommendations for accommodations and activities?
Thanks in advance!
Best,
Olivier 🌍
Hello,
I’ll be in ARICA in northern Chile at the end of May 2026 and want to get to TACNA. Are there taxis, buses, or collectivos that run the border crossing route?
After that, bus to AREQUIPA (Peru): any bus company you’d recommend?
I’ll be in ARICA in northern Chile at the end of May 2026 and want to get to TACNA. Are there taxis, buses, or collectivos that run the border crossing route?
After that, bus to AREQUIPA (Peru): any bus company you’d recommend?
Hi there,
We’re spending 3 weeks in Brazil, arriving in São Paulo—a couple plus a teen—and we’ll have a rental car.
We especially love nature: hiking, wildlife watching, birds, etc.
We’re planning to wrap up with a week around Paraty and Ilha Grande.
We’re not really into visiting big cities like São Paulo or Rio unless you think we’d be missing out big time.
So we’ve got 2 weeks to explore the south/southwest region of São Paulo. What do you recommend? National parks? Off-the-beaten-path nature spots? Iguazu Falls?
Thanks in advance for all your tips!
So we’ve got 2 weeks to explore the south/southwest region of São Paulo. What do you recommend? National parks? Off-the-beaten-path nature spots? Iguazu Falls?
Thanks in advance for all your tips!
Hi there,
Do you have any recommendations for comfortable accommodation in Leyva and Barichara? We're also looking for a guide to explore the areas around these two towns (parks, waterfalls, etc.).
Thanks for your tips!
I visited Colombia in January 2016 and I’m heading back from August 6th to 17th with the same airline to see how things have changed. Starting August 18th, I’ll continue with independent exploration. I prefer slow travel and enjoying places at my own pace.
Any tips—especially for getting around or must-see spots—are welcome!
Thu Aug 06. Fly Montreal to Bogotá 20:55-04:05+1 Air Canada Fri Aug 07. Bogotá Sat Aug 08. Bogotá Sun Aug 09. Bogotá Mon Aug 10. Fly Bogotá to Medellín Tue Aug 11. Medellín - Explore Guatapé Wed Aug 12. Comuna 8 & Hill of Values - PM Fly to Pereira Thu Aug 13. Montenegro Fri Aug 14. Salento - Cocora Valley Sat Aug 15. Fly to Cartagena Sun Aug 16. Explore Cartagena Mon Aug 17. Explore Cartagena Tue Aug 18. Fly Cartagena to Cali 12:20-14:55 Latam Wed Aug 19. Cali Thu Aug 20. Cali Fri Aug 21. Cali Sat Aug 22. Bus Cali to Popayán 09:00-13:00 Sun Aug 23. Popayán Mon Aug 24. Popayán Tue Aug 25. Popayán - Day trip to Silvia (Market Day) Wed Aug 26. Overland Popayán to Tierradentro by public transportation 4h, 100km Thu Aug 27. Tierradentro Fri Aug 28. Tierradentro Sat Aug 29. Overland Tierradentro to Garzón via La Plata Sun Aug 30. Bus Garzón to San Agustín 10:30-13:00 Mon Aug 31. San Agustín Tue Sep 01. San Agustín Wed Sep 02. San Agustín Thu Sep 03. San Agustín Fri Sep 04. Overland San Agustín to Tatacoa Desert via Neiva Sat Sep 05. Tatacoa Desert Sun Sep 06. Fly to Bogotá via Neiva 16:00-17:00 Latam Mon Sep 07. Bogotá Tue Sep 08. Fly Bogotá to Montreal 09:00-16:30 Air Canada
Thu Aug 06. Fly Montreal to Bogotá 20:55-04:05+1 Air Canada Fri Aug 07. Bogotá Sat Aug 08. Bogotá Sun Aug 09. Bogotá Mon Aug 10. Fly Bogotá to Medellín Tue Aug 11. Medellín - Explore Guatapé Wed Aug 12. Comuna 8 & Hill of Values - PM Fly to Pereira Thu Aug 13. Montenegro Fri Aug 14. Salento - Cocora Valley Sat Aug 15. Fly to Cartagena Sun Aug 16. Explore Cartagena Mon Aug 17. Explore Cartagena Tue Aug 18. Fly Cartagena to Cali 12:20-14:55 Latam Wed Aug 19. Cali Thu Aug 20. Cali Fri Aug 21. Cali Sat Aug 22. Bus Cali to Popayán 09:00-13:00 Sun Aug 23. Popayán Mon Aug 24. Popayán Tue Aug 25. Popayán - Day trip to Silvia (Market Day) Wed Aug 26. Overland Popayán to Tierradentro by public transportation 4h, 100km Thu Aug 27. Tierradentro Fri Aug 28. Tierradentro Sat Aug 29. Overland Tierradentro to Garzón via La Plata Sun Aug 30. Bus Garzón to San Agustín 10:30-13:00 Mon Aug 31. San Agustín Tue Sep 01. San Agustín Wed Sep 02. San Agustín Thu Sep 03. San Agustín Fri Sep 04. Overland San Agustín to Tatacoa Desert via Neiva Sat Sep 05. Tatacoa Desert Sun Sep 06. Fly to Bogotá via Neiva 16:00-17:00 Latam Mon Sep 07. Bogotá Tue Sep 08. Fly Bogotá to Montreal 09:00-16:30 Air Canada
Hi there,
Three years ago during a trip to Java (no, I didn’t post in the wrong forum!), I came across the address of former miners who had switched to “tourism” and organized nighttime ascents of the Kawah Ijen volcano and descents into the crater.
So I was thinking—maybe there are miners on the salt flats too, either former or still active, who do the same thing. If you’ve had an experience like this, I’d love any tips you can share.
Thanks in advance.
Hi there, since there isn’t much recent info on how to get to MP, I’d love to know if there have been any improvements to the "route" to Hydroelectrica. Is it feasible to drive there in February? And is it still possible to walk all the way to Aguas Calientes? I think I read somewhere that it’s no longer allowed??
Do you think I can buy Machu Picchu entrance tickets last-minute at that time of year, given the weather?
Hello everyone!
A group of friends and I are heading to Brazil in March 2019 and we’d love to attend the Carnival parade. I could really use your help because I’m struggling to find reviews for online ticket sellers for Carnival. I came across rio-carnival—is this a reliable agency? Do you have other agencies to recommend or experiences to share? Any advice is welcome.
Thanks! 🙂 Marine
A group of friends and I are heading to Brazil in March 2019 and we’d love to attend the Carnival parade. I could really use your help because I’m struggling to find reviews for online ticket sellers for Carnival. I came across rio-carnival—is this a reliable agency? Do you have other agencies to recommend or experiences to share? Any advice is welcome.
Thanks! 🙂 Marine
Everything You Need to Know About Argentina’s Currency Exchange Maze (2026 Edition)
Hi fellow travelers,
Packing your bags for Buenos Aires? Watch out—here, money is a science almost as complex as the dance steps in a tango!
As of March 2026, the situation has shifted dramatically: the "Blue" (parallel) rate is now neck-and-neck with the official rate. To save you from losing your hard-earned euros in bureaucratic mazes or "disastrous" exchange rates, I’ve laced up my reporter boots and hit the famous Calle Florida for you.
In my latest video (and the accompanying article), I take you behind the scenes of currency exchange:
Arbolitos and Cuevas: Who are they, and can you still trust them? The Rate Showdown: Why Banco Nación is currently the worst place for your savings. Western Union: Why it’s often your best ally right now. Cash or Card? The little secret to getting an instant 10–15% discount at restaurants or hotels. The Bill Trap: Why your 500 € notes or stained dollars might stay in your wallet.
Argentina changes fast—*very* fast (by the end of March, today’s advice might already be old news!). So don’t leave without checking the market’s pulse.
Check out all my tips in the video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKmKFux4fpQ
And remember: in Argentina, don’t exchange money on weekends—unless you want your cash to melt like snow in the sun!
Safe travels, and see you on the road! Hergé
Packing your bags for Buenos Aires? Watch out—here, money is a science almost as complex as the dance steps in a tango!
As of March 2026, the situation has shifted dramatically: the "Blue" (parallel) rate is now neck-and-neck with the official rate. To save you from losing your hard-earned euros in bureaucratic mazes or "disastrous" exchange rates, I’ve laced up my reporter boots and hit the famous Calle Florida for you.
In my latest video (and the accompanying article), I take you behind the scenes of currency exchange:
Arbolitos and Cuevas: Who are they, and can you still trust them? The Rate Showdown: Why Banco Nación is currently the worst place for your savings. Western Union: Why it’s often your best ally right now. Cash or Card? The little secret to getting an instant 10–15% discount at restaurants or hotels. The Bill Trap: Why your 500 € notes or stained dollars might stay in your wallet.
Argentina changes fast—*very* fast (by the end of March, today’s advice might already be old news!). So don’t leave without checking the market’s pulse.
Check out all my tips in the video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKmKFux4fpQ
And remember: in Argentina, don’t exchange money on weekends—unless you want your cash to melt like snow in the sun!
Safe travels, and see you on the road! Hergé