Cadre alu pour voyage à vélo: +6000 kms
by Turbulette
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
On m'a fortement conseillé d'avoir un vélo cadre acier pour un périple longue durée en pays sous-développé, mais quelle proportion de cadres alu abimés sur la proportion de cyclotouristes ?! la probabilité d'avoir un pb de cadre (alu) est t'elle grande, proportionnellement au nombre de gens qui voyagent avec ce type de vélo ?!
ca m'intéresse d'avoir vos avis ?! je n'ai pas encore le vélo.
voyage prévu à partir de sept.2008.
turbu
"Fait de ta vie un rêve, et d'un rêve une réalité..." Antoine de St Exupéry
une petite recherche, et hop... 😛
http://voyageforum.com/voyage/velo_en_acier_en_aluminium_D1292919/
Eh bien Turbulette! et la fonction recherche? J'ai lancé une discution sur le sujet il y a quelques jours
Tu y trouveras plein d'idées interressantes.
Je ne sais pas, par contre si tu trouveras une réponse nette et claire - Acier ou alu, les 2 ont des avantages et des inconvénients.
A toi de fixer tes priorités.
Pierre
On m'a fortement conseillé d'avoir un vélo cadre acier pour un périple longue durée en pays sous-développé,
Petit intermède linguistique: l'expression "pays sous-développé" a été depuis longtemps remplacée dans le language courant par "pays en développement" ou "pays du sud" ce qui correspond certainement plus à la réalité ou du moins donne une vision plus positive. (au même titre que "tiers-monde" qui n'est plus utilisé) Excusez mon passage hors sujet, mais ça me choque de voir cette expression ainsi utilisée. Ceci dit, bonne préparation!
Petit intermède linguistique: l'expression "pays sous-développé" a été depuis longtemps remplacée dans le language courant par "pays en développement" ou "pays du sud" ce qui correspond certainement plus à la réalité ou du moins donne une vision plus positive. (au même titre que "tiers-monde" qui n'est plus utilisé) Excusez mon passage hors sujet, mais ça me choque de voir cette expression ainsi utilisée. Ceci dit, bonne préparation!
Yannick
Tu as raison kik, excuse ce propros inapproprié, je parlais bien sûr de pays en voie de développement !
Maintenant, outre les mots, ceci est une réalité !
Tu avais le droit de donner ton avis sur ce post, concernant donc les cadres acier/alu.
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turbu
"Fait de ta vie un rêve, et d'un rêve une réalité..." Antoine de St Exupéry
oui Pierre, j'utilise pas souvent la fonction "recherche" à tord certes !! je vais donc jeter un oeil à ton poste, mais sinon, j'ai commandé le hors série de carnet d'expé sur le voyage à vélo ! il parait que c'est une mine d'info !
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sandrine
"Fait de ta vie un rêve, et d'un rêve une réalité..." Antoine de St Exupéry
Bonjour, si vous voulez partir avec des baggages pour 6.000 km un cadre en acier est necessaire avec des bonnes supports de baggages avant et arriere. Je ne partirais jamais avec un cadre en alu, il y a trop des cadres alu cassée. La randonee le weekend est pas une voyage de 6.000 km avec baggages. Ce sont deux utlisations totalement differente. De preference un cadre fait sur mesure - par example de Gilles Berthoud, Pond de Veaux.
Elimar A. Simon
Hi Turb. !
Le magazine "Carnet d'aventure" spécial vélo est effectivement très agréable à lire.😇 Mais la vraie mine d'info reste à mon sens "Voyage Forum " Si ! Si !😉
Comme le dit Pierre, la fonction "recherche" est incroyablement riche.
Carnet d'aventure possede également son site: http://www.expemag.com/voyage/viewforum.php?id=5
tandis que le site d'Azero http://veloartisanal.free.fr/forum/ est plus pointu. Et tellement bon !🙂
Quoi qu'il en soit, l'important reste toujours de renvoyer des info concernant l'evolution de nos choix de matériel afin que tout le monde puisse en bénéficier pour ce faire un avis...
Bonne recherche !
Kang.
Le magazine "Carnet d'aventure" spécial vélo est effectivement très agréable à lire.😇 Mais la vraie mine d'info reste à mon sens "Voyage Forum " Si ! Si !😉
Comme le dit Pierre, la fonction "recherche" est incroyablement riche.
Carnet d'aventure possede également son site: http://www.expemag.com/voyage/viewforum.php?id=5
tandis que le site d'Azero http://veloartisanal.free.fr/forum/ est plus pointu. Et tellement bon !🙂
Quoi qu'il en soit, l'important reste toujours de renvoyer des info concernant l'evolution de nos choix de matériel afin que tout le monde puisse en bénéficier pour ce faire un avis...
Bonne recherche !
Kang.
bonsoir
deja fais 15 000 km en 3 voyages avec un giant en alu acheté chez probike a bkk en 2000
part les pires des pistes en thailande au laos et cambodge
toujours pas de probleme avec le cadre, tout le reste a été changé plusieur fois je n'ai pas de porte bagages avant et essaie de me limiter a 20 kg sur le porte arriere
Concernant le débat Alu / Acier, je n'ai pas d'expérience à vélo sur des grandes distances hors Europe donc tout ce que je peux te dire c'est que je roule sur un VTT cadre alu 100% rigide (Cannondale) qui a plus de 10 ans et qui tient toujours le coup après plusieurs vies (VTT, route, cyclocamping, et maintenant les pavés et routes défoncées de Naples). Mais les VTT d'il y a 10 ans étaient peut-être plus solide que maintenant où on cherche les grammes... Donc je dirais pas indispensable l'acier, mais partir sur un cadre / fabriquant avec une bonne réputation? (ma belle-soeur a brisé un cadre de VTC gitane en roulant en ville, j'avoue qu'il y a de quoi se poser des questions quand on voit ça)
Ca reste mon petit avis isolé...
Ca reste mon petit avis isolé...
Yannick
merci pour vos avis; je prends note de chacune de vos expériences, mais je pense que je resterai sur du cadre acier, question solidité et confort ! je ne pense pas faire le mauvais choix, quitte à porter un peu plus de poids !!
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turbu
"Fait de ta vie un rêve, et d'un rêve une réalité..." Antoine de St Exupéry
Dès que j'ai vu "pays sous développés" j'ai voulu réagir, mais tu m'as bien devancé!😎
Mis à part ça, je ne fait pas avancer le débat! J'ai néanmoins une question qui me turlupine concernant ce sujet:
Comment est-ce qu'on peut casser un cadre? Lorsqu'on fait du VTT ok, sur une chute, mais sur route...
C'est juste pour savoir, je n'arrive pas à m'imaginer casser un cadre... ^^
Mis à part ça, je ne fait pas avancer le débat! J'ai néanmoins une question qui me turlupine concernant ce sujet:
Comment est-ce qu'on peut casser un cadre? Lorsqu'on fait du VTT ok, sur une chute, mais sur route...
C'est juste pour savoir, je n'arrive pas à m'imaginer casser un cadre... ^^
* **Ximun***
avis en vrac😉
Il est simpliste de parler "acier" ou "alu".
Dans les deux cas ces vocables nomment des types de matériaux aux qualités différentes, dépendant du type d'acier ou d'alu mis en oeuvre.
L'acier peut être fragile, un cadre de randonné en 3/10e ne résisterais pas longtemps à un vrai usage rando chargé. Et la soudure de ce type d'acier demande une grande maitrise sous peine de le fragiliser et de lui faire perdre ses propriétés. D'ailleur, idem pour les PB Tubus..
L'alu, de quoi on parle? de l'alu costaud des vélo d'une dizaine d'années (mon cannondale n'a pas bougé en presque 20 ans) et des premiers prix, ou de l'alu "haut de gamme" des vélos actuels, ou la simple pression sur le tube donne l'impression de tater une canette, prix à payer pour un poids record?
Pour moi, qui préfére l'acier (mais on tandemise titane!), l'avantage vient du type de vieillissement: l'acier perd son nerf petit à petit, et se tord avant de casser, la rupture est plus brutale sur l'alu. L'acier DE BONNE QUALITE a aussi de meilleure qualité en confort, il est moins rigide (quoique) et donne la sensation que le cadre "renvoi" une partie de l'énergie.
Reste que j'ai un stock disparate de matériaux à la maison, chaque ayant ses avantages: titane pour le tandem, acier pour la randonneuse (25 ans), acier pour un VTT rigide top (20 ans), alu pour un vtt rigide (20ans), alu pour deux vtt avec suspensions, acier pour le course.
Comment est-ce qu'on peut casser un cadre? Lorsqu'on fait du VTT ok, sur une chute, mais sur route...
Il ne faut pas sous-estimer les contraintes du pédalages (mouvement en torsion), accentué par le balland des sacoches, ni l'usure provoqué par la sollicitation permanente lié au poids. la douille de direction souffre aussi, particuliérement si la fourche est rigide. Reste que la plus grosse part vient du pilote, souvent bourrin comme en témoigne les probléme de rayons et de jante, avec certain qui détruisent des roues taillé pour la descente ou le tandem....
Comment est-ce qu'on peut casser un cadre? Lorsqu'on fait du VTT ok, sur une chute, mais sur route...
Il ne faut pas sous-estimer les contraintes du pédalages (mouvement en torsion), accentué par le balland des sacoches, ni l'usure provoqué par la sollicitation permanente lié au poids. la douille de direction souffre aussi, particuliérement si la fourche est rigide. Reste que la plus grosse part vient du pilote, souvent bourrin comme en témoigne les probléme de rayons et de jante, avec certain qui détruisent des roues taillé pour la descente ou le tandem....
A voir :
http://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=993201;search_string=cadre%20cass%E9;page=unread#unread
http://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=993201;search_string=cadre%20cass%E9;page=unread#unread
Bonjour, au sujet du velo en alu, l'année derniere je suis parti pour 3500 km en Afrique du nord avec un vélo en alu Specialized Back Road, et je n'est eu aucun souci pourtant il a pris des chocs.
Dans 1 semaine je repars avec le même vélo pour 5000 km dans les pays des Balkans ( Italie, hongrie, Roumanie, Bulgarie, Grece Italie Sicile Tunisie et retour par l'Italie. C'est un Vélo leger et solide en même temps et que l'on peut bien charger.
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que pensez vous du cadre aluminium 7500 de chez koga miyata ( le world travel ) est il autant resistant qu'ils nous le disent
koga miyata me semble effectivement très solide.
Exellente réputation en tout cas. J'ai tjs vu les propriétaires de ces vélo extremements satisfait. Meme si se sont des cadres alu, au tarif elevé.
Aussi, ces vélo sont tjs équipés de tte une série de gadgets que je n'utiliserai jamais. Mais bon, ça c'est perso.
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I'm developing a free and open-source web app for planning walking and cycling trips (and even car trips). You can create a route by clicking directly on the map to add waypoints, and it can consist of multiple stages. The app provides tools to edit the stages and the overall route, and to display useful information (distances, altitudes, and elevation changes). A relief profile can be shown as a graph for a specific stage or the entire route.
Once the route is ready, it can be exported as a GPX file, which can then be used with a GPS or a mobile navigation app.
The app is built in JavaScript and runs entirely in the web browser. It uses the Leaflet library and several OpenStreetMap-based services. Initially developed for my personal needs (I enjoy hiking and cycle touring), I’d be happy to share it with anyone who might find it useful. It’s free to use, doesn’t require an account, and the source code is available.
Source code: https://github.com/patricklmarie/GPX-Route-Planner Online demo: https://patricklmarie.github.io/GPX-Route-Planner/
Once the route is ready, it can be exported as a GPX file, which can then be used with a GPS or a mobile navigation app.
The app is built in JavaScript and runs entirely in the web browser. It uses the Leaflet library and several OpenStreetMap-based services. Initially developed for my personal needs (I enjoy hiking and cycle touring), I’d be happy to share it with anyone who might find it useful. It’s free to use, doesn’t require an account, and the source code is available.
Source code: https://github.com/patricklmarie/GPX-Route-Planner Online demo: https://patricklmarie.github.io/GPX-Route-Planner/
Heinz Stucke has passed away.
He never stopped traveling the world since 1962.
So sad.
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hello fellow cycling enthusiasts
here’s a travel journal of the cycling tour through the Rhône-Alpes Auvergne region by Claudio
zouli
it was the plan
http://cbandiera.free.fr/parcours/auvergne-Ralpes/
the trip was completed story being posted online soon 1100 km in 11 days beautiful and varied regions
claudio

the trip was completed story being posted online soon 1100 km in 11 days beautiful and varied regions
claudio

Hello,
We’d like to go on a 3- to 4-month bike trip starting in December, crossing from Assam (northeast India) to New Delhi via Nepal.
Are there routes with light traffic along the Brahmaputra and through Nepal?
We’re also looking for any info on accommodations, wild camping, local interactions, etc.
Thanks,
Michel
Hi there,
I’m planning to cycle from Morlaix to Brest (via Roscoff and the V45 coastal route). We’ll start riding on August 16th for 13 days (with stops for island visits, surfing, etc.). Is there a lot of traffic at this time of year? I’ve got two kids, 11 and 13, and we don’t like riding in the middle of cars (we’ve already done the Vélomaritime—Caen to Cherbourg—the Loire route from Orléans to Saumur, the Vélodyssée from Nantes to Royans, and the canals like the Nivernais and Bourgogne, where there were plenty of bike-only lanes, which isn’t the case on this route).
Thanks for your help if you’ve already done this route in late August! Virginie
I’m planning to cycle from Morlaix to Brest (via Roscoff and the V45 coastal route). We’ll start riding on August 16th for 13 days (with stops for island visits, surfing, etc.). Is there a lot of traffic at this time of year? I’ve got two kids, 11 and 13, and we don’t like riding in the middle of cars (we’ve already done the Vélomaritime—Caen to Cherbourg—the Loire route from Orléans to Saumur, the Vélodyssée from Nantes to Royans, and the canals like the Nivernais and Bourgogne, where there were plenty of bike-only lanes, which isn’t the case on this route).
Thanks for your help if you’ve already done this route in late August! Virginie
Hi there,
I’ve been road cycling for several years, and I’m about to switch to gravel in the next few days—I’m waiting for my bike, which should arrive this week.
I’m planning a bikepacking trip in a few weeks along the Véloroute V81, also known as the Vélosud, from Biarritz to Le Barcarès.
Has anyone here already done this route? Any info is welcome, whether it’s about the route itself, gear, or accommodation. I’ll prioritize staying with locals as much as possible. On that note, I just signed up for the brand-new site *Guidon et Couette* ((www.guidon-et-couette.fr)), which offers free accommodation between cyclists across the country, but there’s almost no one listed along my route!
Thanks in advance.
Laurent.
Hi there, I’m planning a cross-Canada bike trip, and I’ve got a question that might seem silly, but could someone tell me how to pack a bike (in a box, with a fragile sticker... I don’t know) for a flight? Thanks in advance!
Hi everyone,
This summer, we’re planning to cycle along the EV 19 that follows the Meuse River from Langres all the way to Rotterdam. My question is about getting back to Nantes. Do any of you know what the best return option might be? I’d love to hear about your experiences. I saw that FlixBus doesn’t take bikes. By train, I think it’s possible but would involve multiple local trains. We were also wondering if there’s a boat from Rotterdam to Saint-Nazaire that could take passengers with bikes.
Any tips or experiences you can share would be really helpful—thanks in advance! Have a great evening
This summer, we’re planning to cycle along the EV 19 that follows the Meuse River from Langres all the way to Rotterdam. My question is about getting back to Nantes. Do any of you know what the best return option might be? I’d love to hear about your experiences. I saw that FlixBus doesn’t take bikes. By train, I think it’s possible but would involve multiple local trains. We were also wondering if there’s a boat from Rotterdam to Saint-Nazaire that could take passengers with bikes.
Any tips or experiences you can share would be really helpful—thanks in advance! Have a great evening
I’ve gotten used to crossing Europe by bus to return by bike.
It was really convenient to take the bike without having to disassemble it.
But FlixBus no longer accepts bikes...
What alternatives do you know about?
Thanks.
Hi there,
I’m planning to ride the Dutch section of the EuroVelo 19, from Maastricht to Rotterdam.
Since it’s too complicated to bring my bike on the train, I’m looking to rent one locally.
I’d love any tips or bike rental shop recommendations—I’m struggling to find options even in Rotterdam.
The plan is to rent in Rotterdam, take the train to Maastricht with the bike, then cycle back to Rotterdam.
Thanks in advance for any advice or suggestions!
Nath
Coming soon:
https://www.Biclou.com/parcours/durance/
Starting from Faverges: 900 km over 9 days

Here’s the detailed Durance route starting from Briançon

Here’s the detailed Durance route starting from Briançon

Hi there,
I’m planning to build a new touring bike. I want to prioritize lightness. That said, I’m tempted by a suspension fork that could offer some comfort on rougher roads. The recent appearance of gravel suspension forks on the market might meet my needs—at least on paper. I’m particularly considering the RockShox Rudy Ultimate XPLR fork. Unlike MTB forks, its travel is short: either 30 mm or 40 mm. It weighs 1400 g, which is 400/500 g more than a steel fork.
Any thoughts or real-world feedback on this?
I’m also wondering about the durability of magnesium (lower leg) for long-distance bike touring. And what’s the impact of skipping the manufacturer-recommended maintenance every 50 and 200 hours? That’s bound to happen on a long trip unless you carry extra gear. More generally, how reliable are these kinds of forks?
Thanks in advance
I’m planning to build a new touring bike. I want to prioritize lightness. That said, I’m tempted by a suspension fork that could offer some comfort on rougher roads. The recent appearance of gravel suspension forks on the market might meet my needs—at least on paper. I’m particularly considering the RockShox Rudy Ultimate XPLR fork. Unlike MTB forks, its travel is short: either 30 mm or 40 mm. It weighs 1400 g, which is 400/500 g more than a steel fork.
Any thoughts or real-world feedback on this?
I’m also wondering about the durability of magnesium (lower leg) for long-distance bike touring. And what’s the impact of skipping the manufacturer-recommended maintenance every 50 and 200 hours? That’s bound to happen on a long trip unless you carry extra gear. More generally, how reliable are these kinds of forks?
Thanks in advance
Hi there!
I’m making an exception and creating a separate post this time, since it’s all about France. In May, we spent a week in Provence, specifically in the Luberon, exploring the cycling routes *Autour du Luberon à Vélo*, the *Véloroute du Calavon* (part of EuroVelo 8), and the shorter *Les Ocres à Vélo* route. Together, they gave us an amazing journey through rolling hills, vineyards, lavender fields still green in spring, and some of the most stunning landscapes in southern France.

It was, of course, the perched villages that impressed us the most. We visited Gordes, Roussillon, Bonnieux, Lacoste, Lourmarin, Ménerbes, Oppède-le-Vieux, Cucuron, and Lauris. Many of them are among the most beautiful villages in Provence, and it’s hard not to agree with that reputation.




One interesting point is the route of EuroVelo 8 in this part of the region. The official path mainly follows the old railway line of the *Véloroute du Calavon*, which is very comfortable and safe. But in our opinion, cyclists traveling EuroVelo 8 around the Mediterranean would discover even more treasures if the route passed through villages like Bonnieux, Lacoste, or Oppède-le-Vieux.


We were also pleasantly surprised by how safe cycling felt. Most of the route takes small local roads, but traffic is light, drivers are respectful, and road design really takes cyclists into account. It’s one of those places where you can ride peacefully even without separated bike lanes.



Our full story:
Around Luberon by bicycle - the most beautiful villages of Provence
You can also find all our cycling travel stories on the forum:
Cycling Thread - Europe’s most beautiful bike routes
S.
I’m making an exception and creating a separate post this time, since it’s all about France. In May, we spent a week in Provence, specifically in the Luberon, exploring the cycling routes *Autour du Luberon à Vélo*, the *Véloroute du Calavon* (part of EuroVelo 8), and the shorter *Les Ocres à Vélo* route. Together, they gave us an amazing journey through rolling hills, vineyards, lavender fields still green in spring, and some of the most stunning landscapes in southern France.

It was, of course, the perched villages that impressed us the most. We visited Gordes, Roussillon, Bonnieux, Lacoste, Lourmarin, Ménerbes, Oppède-le-Vieux, Cucuron, and Lauris. Many of them are among the most beautiful villages in Provence, and it’s hard not to agree with that reputation.




One interesting point is the route of EuroVelo 8 in this part of the region. The official path mainly follows the old railway line of the *Véloroute du Calavon*, which is very comfortable and safe. But in our opinion, cyclists traveling EuroVelo 8 around the Mediterranean would discover even more treasures if the route passed through villages like Bonnieux, Lacoste, or Oppède-le-Vieux.


We were also pleasantly surprised by how safe cycling felt. Most of the route takes small local roads, but traffic is light, drivers are respectful, and road design really takes cyclists into account. It’s one of those places where you can ride peacefully even without separated bike lanes.



Our full story:
Around Luberon by bicycle - the most beautiful villages of Provence
You can also find all our cycling travel stories on the forum:
Cycling Thread - Europe’s most beautiful bike routes
S.
Hi there, we’re a group of 4 cyclists looking to get from Treviso in Italy to Munich with our 4 non-folding bikes. It seems complicated! Are there any solutions? Thanks so much.