Chine-Laos: frontière Mengla/Phongsali toujours fermée aux étrangers?
by Alpha1
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Cette fichue frontière est-elle enfin ouverte ?
Salut Alpha,
Et alors, au fait, ce village de Ban Cha up?
Et alors, au fait, ce village de Ban Cha up?
200 jours à pied,
seul, sans guide,
aux confins du Laos : CLIC
Grrrr !! 🙁
Merci Yoy de ta réponse.
Sais-tu s'il y a moyen de rejoindre Phongsali de Boten sans repasser par Udomxai ni tracer dans la verte (je ne suis pas aussi aventurier que toi 😉, malheureusement...)
En plein dans la préparation de mon log de nav. Je crois que je vais te harceler de questions dans les prochains jours !
Merci Yoy de ta réponse.
Sais-tu s'il y a moyen de rejoindre Phongsali de Boten sans repasser par Udomxai ni tracer dans la verte (je ne suis pas aussi aventurier que toi 😉, malheureusement...)
En plein dans la préparation de mon log de nav. Je crois que je vais te harceler de questions dans les prochains jours !
rejoindre Phongsali de Boten
Marche à pied uniquement, pas de piste carrossable pour l'instant. Donc Oudomxaï inévitable...
Sorry l'ami, mais heuuu, mais c'est quoi "log de nav" ?
A + YoY
Marche à pied uniquement, pas de piste carrossable pour l'instant. Donc Oudomxaï inévitable...
Sorry l'ami, mais heuuu, mais c'est quoi "log de nav" ?
A + YoY
200 jours à pied,
seul, sans guide,
aux confins du Laos : CLIC
Oui, j'avais bien vu ton plan. Mais je t'assure, la piste montrée ne peut être qu'un des (très nombreux) sentiers piétonniers du coin.
200 jours à pied,
seul, sans guide,
aux confins du Laos : CLIC
Euh oui… en français « road book » ! Mon trajet, quoi. 😉
Et puisque je te tiens (façon de parler…), je compte aller traîner mes guêtres du côté de Phongsali puis jusqu’au nord voire à la frontière chinoise (j’aime bien les frontière, moi). Est-il possible de descendre la Nam Ou dès Ha Tai (là, j’ai un doute… La ville au nord de Phongsali). Je compte la redescendre jusqu’à Luang Prabang. Combien de jours selon toi ?
Et puisque je te tiens (façon de parler…), je compte aller traîner mes guêtres du côté de Phongsali puis jusqu’au nord voire à la frontière chinoise (j’aime bien les frontière, moi). Est-il possible de descendre la Nam Ou dès Ha Tai (là, j’ai un doute… La ville au nord de Phongsali). Je compte la redescendre jusqu’à Luang Prabang. Combien de jours selon toi ?
Est-il possible de descendre la Nam Ou dès Ha Tai
Si tu parles de Hat Sa (à 21 km à l'est de Phongsaly) : Hat Sa > Muang Khoua > L. Prabang = navigable toute l'année.
Si tu parles de Utay (ou Outaï) (à 94 km au nord de Phongsaly) : Utay > Hat Sa = navigable en pleine saison des pluies uniquement, et très difficilement sur certaines portions (mais en réalité il n'y a jamais de bateau, ou très peu, et jamais sur toute la portion du parcours d'un coup).
Si tu parles de Hat Sa (à 21 km à l'est de Phongsaly) : Hat Sa > Muang Khoua > L. Prabang = navigable toute l'année.
Si tu parles de Utay (ou Outaï) (à 94 km au nord de Phongsaly) : Utay > Hat Sa = navigable en pleine saison des pluies uniquement, et très difficilement sur certaines portions (mais en réalité il n'y a jamais de bateau, ou très peu, et jamais sur toute la portion du parcours d'un coup).
200 jours à pied,
seul, sans guide,
aux confins du Laos : CLIC
C’était bien Outaï.🙂
Bon, ben tu as répondu à ma question et je vais donc m’en tenir à ce qui était prévu : départ de Hat Sa. Quelle durée selon toi ?
Et puis comment rejoindre Outaï ? (Je te rappelle que contrairement à toi, je ne sais pas demander mon chemin de différentes façons dans le dialecte local…😉) Y a-t-il des camions ou des 4 X 4 qui y vont ? Quelle durée ? Impression de bout du monde ou est-ce que je me fais des illusions ?
Bon, ben tu as répondu à ma question et je vais donc m’en tenir à ce qui était prévu : départ de Hat Sa. Quelle durée selon toi ?
Et puis comment rejoindre Outaï ? (Je te rappelle que contrairement à toi, je ne sais pas demander mon chemin de différentes façons dans le dialecte local…😉) Y a-t-il des camions ou des 4 X 4 qui y vont ? Quelle durée ? Impression de bout du monde ou est-ce que je me fais des illusions ?
Le départ vers Utay se fait de Boun Neua (à 52 kms à l'ouest de Phongsaly, sur la route d'Oudomxaï).
Boun Neua > Utay = 93 kms = 5 à 6 heures environ ; un seul départ de songtéaw le matin à 10h00 (info oct. 2006). Utay : bof si tu ne pars pas marcher dans les montagnes un ou deux jours. Utay est une bourgade un peu similaire à M.Sing, même plus petite car elle se résume à la piste qui le traverse et le long de laquelle se succèdent quelques maisons et baraques ; Utay est situé au bord d'une plaine de rizière d'environ 3 x 1 km. "Impression de bout du monde" = bof pour la bourgade, oui pour les villages isolés dans montagnes à un à trois jours de marche (aucun sentier ne part directement de Utay, du moins je n'en ai pas repéré).
En tout cas, ne t'attends pas à apercevoir des villageoises des minorités "colorées" dans le bourg, parfois seulement une ou deux femmes Yao ou Hô ; quand aux Akhas, il ne vivent pas dans la région.
Hat Sa > L. Prabang en bateau : je ne l'ai jamais fait dans sa totalité (je me suis contenté de certains tronçons entre Hat Sa et Muang Khua). Mais ce trajet a l'air de devenir à la mode. D'autres ici te renseigneront (fais une recherche avec "Hat Sa", "Hatsa", "Muang Khua", "Muang Khoua", et l'info est aussi probablement dans le guide LP.
Boun Neua > Utay = 93 kms = 5 à 6 heures environ ; un seul départ de songtéaw le matin à 10h00 (info oct. 2006). Utay : bof si tu ne pars pas marcher dans les montagnes un ou deux jours. Utay est une bourgade un peu similaire à M.Sing, même plus petite car elle se résume à la piste qui le traverse et le long de laquelle se succèdent quelques maisons et baraques ; Utay est situé au bord d'une plaine de rizière d'environ 3 x 1 km. "Impression de bout du monde" = bof pour la bourgade, oui pour les villages isolés dans montagnes à un à trois jours de marche (aucun sentier ne part directement de Utay, du moins je n'en ai pas repéré).
En tout cas, ne t'attends pas à apercevoir des villageoises des minorités "colorées" dans le bourg, parfois seulement une ou deux femmes Yao ou Hô ; quand aux Akhas, il ne vivent pas dans la région.
Hat Sa > L. Prabang en bateau : je ne l'ai jamais fait dans sa totalité (je me suis contenté de certains tronçons entre Hat Sa et Muang Khua). Mais ce trajet a l'air de devenir à la mode. D'autres ici te renseigneront (fais une recherche avec "Hat Sa", "Hatsa", "Muang Khua", "Muang Khoua", et l'info est aussi probablement dans le guide LP.
200 jours à pied,
seul, sans guide,
aux confins du Laos : CLIC
Merci pour tes réponses.
Quelques précisions : - combien de temps pour parcourir les 52 km entre Phongsali et Boun Neua ? - Je sais que tu ne tiens pas les guides professionnels en haute estime, mais dans l’optique d’une « randonnée pour les nuls » (c'est-à-dire partant accompagné afin d’éviter de déclencher le plan Orsec local), j’aimerais bien aller crapahuter deux jours vers le nord et taquiner la zone des trois frontières (je sais, c’est une obsession !) Qu’est-ce et surtout qui me conseilles-tu ? - Je suis preneur de toute info utile…
Quelques précisions : - combien de temps pour parcourir les 52 km entre Phongsali et Boun Neua ? - Je sais que tu ne tiens pas les guides professionnels en haute estime, mais dans l’optique d’une « randonnée pour les nuls » (c'est-à-dire partant accompagné afin d’éviter de déclencher le plan Orsec local), j’aimerais bien aller crapahuter deux jours vers le nord et taquiner la zone des trois frontières (je sais, c’est une obsession !) Qu’est-ce et surtout qui me conseilles-tu ? - Je suis preneur de toute info utile…
combien de temps pour parcourir les 52 km entre Phongsali et Boun Neua ?
1h-1h30 environ (route en bon état)
Mais heuuuuuu😉, c'est pas vrai, je ne désestime en aucun cas les guides pro, ni personne d'autres d'ailleurs (ah si, certains...), mais j'ai seulement dit qu'il ne fallait pas compter sur eux (mais uniquement sur les villageois paysans) pour atteindre certains endroits vraiment isolés.
Je pense que, pour l'instant, tu ne trouveras pas de guide à Utay (mais je me trompe peut-être) ; tu en trouveras à Phongsaly (fais une recherche ici sur VF, certains ont fait des balades par là avec un guide), puis aussi Muang Khoua (regarde sur le forum LP ce que dit kEnjI sur sa balade dans ce coin).
Sorry l'Ami, je ne connais pas du tout ces plans avec guides mais je doute qu'un seul soit capable de te guider aux limites des frontières... Mais bon, bref, tente-le, "boost" le guide, tu ne le regretteras pas !
Au fait, je serai à nouveau dans la province de Phongsaly du (environ) 19 sept. au 30 oct. (au Laos du 15 sept. au 3 nov.) pour 40 jours de balades... hi hi !
a + YoY
1h-1h30 environ (route en bon état)
Mais heuuuuuu😉, c'est pas vrai, je ne désestime en aucun cas les guides pro, ni personne d'autres d'ailleurs (ah si, certains...), mais j'ai seulement dit qu'il ne fallait pas compter sur eux (mais uniquement sur les villageois paysans) pour atteindre certains endroits vraiment isolés.
Je pense que, pour l'instant, tu ne trouveras pas de guide à Utay (mais je me trompe peut-être) ; tu en trouveras à Phongsaly (fais une recherche ici sur VF, certains ont fait des balades par là avec un guide), puis aussi Muang Khoua (regarde sur le forum LP ce que dit kEnjI sur sa balade dans ce coin).
Sorry l'Ami, je ne connais pas du tout ces plans avec guides mais je doute qu'un seul soit capable de te guider aux limites des frontières... Mais bon, bref, tente-le, "boost" le guide, tu ne le regretteras pas !
Au fait, je serai à nouveau dans la province de Phongsaly du (environ) 19 sept. au 30 oct. (au Laos du 15 sept. au 3 nov.) pour 40 jours de balades... hi hi !
a + YoY
200 jours à pied,
seul, sans guide,
aux confins du Laos : CLIC
Salut Alpha,
Début octobre, c'est une des meilleures périodes : presque pas de pluies ni de brouillards, jamais froid, belles lumières, ...
Perso, je ne prend qu'une simple polaire, pour utiliser surtout durant certains transports "à ciel ouvert" (camion, etc.), tôt le matin ou tard le soir. Dans les villages à cette période, je suis tout le temps en ticheurte.
Hey, tu penseras à raconter Ban Chap' si tu y vas (vois aussi mon mp).
A + YoY
Début octobre, c'est une des meilleures périodes : presque pas de pluies ni de brouillards, jamais froid, belles lumières, ...
Perso, je ne prend qu'une simple polaire, pour utiliser surtout durant certains transports "à ciel ouvert" (camion, etc.), tôt le matin ou tard le soir. Dans les villages à cette période, je suis tout le temps en ticheurte.
Hey, tu penseras à raconter Ban Chap' si tu y vas (vois aussi mon mp).
A + YoY
200 jours à pied,
seul, sans guide,
aux confins du Laos : CLIC
Merci Yoy. J’étais déjà tombé dessus il y a quelques semaines et elles m’ont fait saliver en pensant à mon futur périple.
Ban Cha Up ?! Mais si j’y vais (et que je trouve), j’enregistre en vidéo une déclaration du chef du village spécialement à ton attention ! Je suis sûr qu’il ne se doute pas des questions existentielles que son village occasionne à l’autre bout du monde ! 🙂
Ban Cha Up ?! Mais si j’y vais (et que je trouve), j’enregistre en vidéo une déclaration du chef du village spécialement à ton attention ! Je suis sûr qu’il ne se doute pas des questions existentielles que son village occasionne à l’autre bout du monde ! 🙂
Arf arf, une déclaration du chef de Ban Cha Up ! Trop fort !🙂
A + YoY
A + YoY
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Hello,
I’ll be in Malaysia with my wife, mainly in Langkawi and Penang for Christmas and New Year’s at the end of 2026.
If you’ve had the experience—and since I’ve read (though it’s not very clear) that these two islands get quite crowded during this period—would you recommend booking accommodation well in advance, or is it easy to find something on the spot?
Hotels or Airbnb?
Do you have any great tips for accommodation or any practical info to share?
We’ll be staying 5 to 7 days on each island.
Thanks in advance for your replies
Hi there. To make the most of Lake Toba, is it better to find accommodation on the lake’s shores (which one?) or on Samosir Island? Thanks for your tips!
Hi. Is it possible to take the train from Malacca to Ipoh? Thanks for your feedback.
Hi there,
We’re heading to Vietnam as a family on July 8th for a little over 3 weeks (north and center). We’ve only booked the first 3 nights in Hanoi, and nothing else after that. We like to decide things on the spot and go with the flow, without rushing everywhere. But I’m still a bit unsure: when heading down to the center (Hue), is it better to book the overnight trains in advance? We don’t want to take any flights while we’re there—just use the overnight train for the long trips. But I’m worried we won’t get seats if we buy the tickets on the spot, say, 2 days before. What do the experts here think? And which website can we use to book the tickets? Thanks in advance for your tips!
Hi everyone!
I’m heading back to Thailand in July 2026 with a stopover in Cambodia to visit the Angkor site.
After Angkor, I’ve booked a stay on Ko Chang island. Does anyone know if there are direct transport options from Cambodia to Ko Chang without having to go back through Bangkok? That would be amazing!!
I think there are, but I’d need more details!!
I went to Thailand in February 2025 and don’t remember having to apply for a visa—is that still the case now? And for Cambodia too?
Thanks so much!!!
Laurence from Bayonne
hi
I’ll be on a cruise on January 11, 2027. We’re stopping in Ho Chi Minh City (Phu My).
I’d love to see something other than the city—anyone have recommendations or a guide for 6-8 people with pickup at the port?
I’d really like to visit some rice paddies.
I’ll be on a cruise on January 11, 2027. We’re stopping in Ho Chi Minh City (Phu My).
I’d love to see something other than the city—anyone have recommendations or a guide for 6-8 people with pickup at the port?
I’d really like to visit some rice paddies.
Hi there,
I’m spending 4 days in Kuala Lumpur.
Could you let me know what’s absolutely worth visiting and what’s not really worth the effort?
Any suggested itinerary?
Apart from Batu Caves, I don’t have many ideas...
I’m traveling with my partner and our 16-year-old son.
Thanks in advance for your feedback.
I’m spending 4 days in Kuala Lumpur.
Could you let me know what’s absolutely worth visiting and what’s not really worth the effort?
Any suggested itinerary?
Apart from Batu Caves, I don’t have many ideas...
I’m traveling with my partner and our 16-year-old son.
Thanks in advance for your feedback.
Hi,
After our trip to China, we want to spend a week in the Philippines for some beach time and snorkeling.
We're looking for the best spot to settle in—nice beaches, great marine life, and short transfer times.
Thanks for your suggestions!
Hi there,
Does anyone know of a private transfer or taxi company that organizes transfers from the Sukhothai area to Chiang Mai? Our routes are Sukhothai-Lampang, Lampang-Chom Thong, and Chom Thong-Chiang Mai. My searches on Google Maps, 12Go, and others haven’t turned up much...
For our Bangkok-Sukhothai trips, I use a company I’ve already tried, but they don’t have a fleet available from Sukhothai and have to go through third-party companies—which, understandably, take their commission. This nearly doubles the prices...
There are four of us, and we’re not traveling light, so a minibus isn’t an option. ;-)
Thanks for your tips! DrSnuggle
Does anyone know of a private transfer or taxi company that organizes transfers from the Sukhothai area to Chiang Mai? Our routes are Sukhothai-Lampang, Lampang-Chom Thong, and Chom Thong-Chiang Mai. My searches on Google Maps, 12Go, and others haven’t turned up much...
For our Bangkok-Sukhothai trips, I use a company I’ve already tried, but they don’t have a fleet available from Sukhothai and have to go through third-party companies—which, understandably, take their commission. This nearly doubles the prices...
There are four of us, and we’re not traveling light, so a minibus isn’t an option. ;-)
Thanks for your tips! DrSnuggle
Hello,
While traveling in Thailand, I’m looking for a Buddhist kumlai reed bracelet.
Does anyone know where I can find one?
In Bangkok, I visited a few temples but didn’t see any in the nearby shops.
If you have any ideas, I’d love to hear them! Have a great day! :-)
Hi there
My trip’s coming up, and I’m having a bit of trouble with three bus/minivan routes. Usually, I find everything at this time of year, but this time—yikes!
Sandakan → Sepilok: No app for this one—you just hop on bus #14 at the local terminal (pay cash on board). But where do I catch it, and where’s the stop??
Sandakan → Semporna: From what I’ve heard, it’s the Sida Express company (great name, right? 😄). Can’t book online, but apparently, you *have* to because there’s only one bus at 8 AM. Where do I board, and where does it drop me off?
Semporna → Tawau: Found this via AI—is it legit? No online booking, as far as I can tell. Minivans leave from a stop in the Jalan Hospital area, near the Milimewa supermarket, supposedly???? And when you arrive, does it drop you at **Sabindo Square** in Tawau?????
Thanks for any tips—I’m stuck!
My trip’s coming up, and I’m having a bit of trouble with three bus/minivan routes. Usually, I find everything at this time of year, but this time—yikes!
Sandakan → Sepilok: No app for this one—you just hop on bus #14 at the local terminal (pay cash on board). But where do I catch it, and where’s the stop??
Sandakan → Semporna: From what I’ve heard, it’s the Sida Express company (great name, right? 😄). Can’t book online, but apparently, you *have* to because there’s only one bus at 8 AM. Where do I board, and where does it drop me off?
Semporna → Tawau: Found this via AI—is it legit? No online booking, as far as I can tell. Minivans leave from a stop in the Jalan Hospital area, near the Milimewa supermarket, supposedly???? And when you arrive, does it drop you at **Sabindo Square** in Tawau?????
Thanks for any tips—I’m stuck!
Hi there,
we’ll be in Mai Chau in June and we’re thinking of heading to Sapa, but first spending a few days in Bac Ha to do some hiking and explore the area.
Is this a good idea for those who’ve been there?
How do you get there?
Thanks for your feedback.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Cédric.
Hi there,
I’m planning an itinerary and would love some feedback on whether it’s doable and if the number of days per destination is enough—or too much. I was also debating whether to add an extra night on an island or spend an extra night in Kampot to visit Kep or Battambang.
March 23: Arrival in Phnom Penh in the morning March 24: Phnom Penh March 25: Phnom Penh March 26: Depart for Kampot March 27: Kampot March 28: Depart for Battambang March 29: Battambang March 30: Tonlé SAP to Siem Reap March 31: Siem Reap April 1: Siem Reap April 2: Siem Reap April 3: Siem Reap April 4: Siem Reap April 5: Departure
Thanks for any suggestions or help!
March 23: Arrival in Phnom Penh in the morning March 24: Phnom Penh March 25: Phnom Penh March 26: Depart for Kampot March 27: Kampot March 28: Depart for Battambang March 29: Battambang March 30: Tonlé SAP to Siem Reap March 31: Siem Reap April 1: Siem Reap April 2: Siem Reap April 3: Siem Reap April 4: Siem Reap April 5: Departure
Thanks for any suggestions or help!





