Les compagnies de croisière exclues du plan de soutien américain
by Hyerois83
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Le gouvernement Américain vient d'adopter un plan de soutien à l'économie de 3000 milliards de dollars.
Ce plan ne profitera pas aux compagnies de croisière, qui, bien que considérées comme Américaines (Carnival, RCL, Norwegian), ont basé leurs sièges dans des paradis fiscaux.
On estime à 420 000 le nombre d'emplois sur le territoire américain créés par l'industrie des croisières et gravement menacés actuellement.
Saisi de la question, D.Trump a simplement répondu qu'il voulait que ces compagnies aient leur siège aux USA et paient leurs impôts aux USA.
Cela ne va pas arranger RCL, Norwegian et Carnival, dont les cours de bourse ont perdu plus de 70% depuis le début de la crise.
C'est malheureusement ce qui arrive souvent dans tous les domaines quand on veut le beurre et l'argent du beurre...
Mathilde
C'est malheureusement ce qui arrive souvent dans tous les domaines quand on veut le beurre et l'argent du beurre...
Tout à fait exact
Tout à fait exact
MSC attend la position du gouvernement suisse....
Bonne question... 😛
La Confédération a débloqué env. 42 milliards pour les entreprises en difficulté (pas vu de précision sur lesquelles exactement) et le Canton de Genève, pour l'instant, 50 millions, mais pour les PME.
La Confédération a débloqué env. 42 milliards pour les entreprises en difficulté (pas vu de précision sur lesquelles exactement) et le Canton de Genève, pour l'instant, 50 millions, mais pour les PME.
Mathilde
Bonjour,
De nombreux journaux, tant démocrates que républicains, ont publié de longs articles ces derniers temps afin de plaider contre le renflouement des compagnies de croisières.
Les arguments sont que :
-Celles-ci créent peu d'emplois américains.
-Elles se sont dangereusement surendettées en ayant eu la folie des grandeurs.
-Elles ont distribué tous leurs bénéfices à leurs actionnaires, via dividendes et en rachetant leurs propres actions, au lieu de conserver des liquidités en cas de crise.
-L'argent du contribuable n'a pas à venir subsidier les vacances des gens, particulièrement les retraités qui sont la population la plus à risque.
-C'est de la sélection économique naturelle, les plus fort survivent, les autres disparaissent, d'autres prendront bien leur place et seront peut-être plus prudents à l'avenir.
Je souscris à l'ensemble de ces arguments. Les croisières ne sont pas un secteur vital de l'économie, si on se met à le renflouer alors on renfloue tout et n'importe quoi et il n'y a plus de risques à faire n'importe quoi, que des bénéfices privatisés et des pertes mutualisées.
De nombreux journaux, tant démocrates que républicains, ont publié de longs articles ces derniers temps afin de plaider contre le renflouement des compagnies de croisières.
Les arguments sont que :
-Celles-ci créent peu d'emplois américains.
-Elles se sont dangereusement surendettées en ayant eu la folie des grandeurs.
-Elles ont distribué tous leurs bénéfices à leurs actionnaires, via dividendes et en rachetant leurs propres actions, au lieu de conserver des liquidités en cas de crise.
-L'argent du contribuable n'a pas à venir subsidier les vacances des gens, particulièrement les retraités qui sont la population la plus à risque.
-C'est de la sélection économique naturelle, les plus fort survivent, les autres disparaissent, d'autres prendront bien leur place et seront peut-être plus prudents à l'avenir.
Je souscris à l'ensemble de ces arguments. Les croisières ne sont pas un secteur vital de l'économie, si on se met à le renflouer alors on renfloue tout et n'importe quoi et il n'y a plus de risques à faire n'importe quoi, que des bénéfices privatisés et des pertes mutualisées.
Celles-ci créent peu d'emplois américains.
Je ne plaide pas pour les compagnies de croisière, qui ont sous estimé depuis des années le risque sanitaire à bord et en équipant a minima les services médicaux à bord, en ayant particulièrement mal géré les problèmes liés au coronavirus et en abandonnant certains passagers dans des situations inacceptables. Sur un plan purement économique pour les USA, elles représentent quand même 420 000 emplois induits directement (même s'ils ne sont pas tous américains, mais sur le territoire des Etats unis), dont environ 150 000 pour la seule Floride.
Je ne plaide pas pour les compagnies de croisière, qui ont sous estimé depuis des années le risque sanitaire à bord et en équipant a minima les services médicaux à bord, en ayant particulièrement mal géré les problèmes liés au coronavirus et en abandonnant certains passagers dans des situations inacceptables. Sur un plan purement économique pour les USA, elles représentent quand même 420 000 emplois induits directement (même s'ils ne sont pas tous américains, mais sur le territoire des Etats unis), dont environ 150 000 pour la seule Floride.
Certes, mais ça ne représente qu'une toute petite partie de leurs employés.
95% si pas plus de leurs équipages à bord sont étrangers.
Leurs navires sont fabriqués à l'étranger.
Elles naviguent sous pavillon de complaisance.
La valeur ajoutée de leurs emplois américains est faible. Beaucoup de leurs employés directs sont de simples emplois administratifs peu payés, les emplois indirects quant à eux ne sont généralement même pas salariés mais payés au pourboire.
L'énorme richesse générée par ces entreprises part à l'étranger et dans la poche de leurs actionnaires.
Il fallait être plus prudent, qu'elles coulent désormais. D'autres prendront bien leur place.
95% si pas plus de leurs équipages à bord sont étrangers.
Leurs navires sont fabriqués à l'étranger.
Elles naviguent sous pavillon de complaisance.
La valeur ajoutée de leurs emplois américains est faible. Beaucoup de leurs employés directs sont de simples emplois administratifs peu payés, les emplois indirects quant à eux ne sont généralement même pas salariés mais payés au pourboire.
L'énorme richesse générée par ces entreprises part à l'étranger et dans la poche de leurs actionnaires.
Il fallait être plus prudent, qu'elles coulent désormais. D'autres prendront bien leur place.
MSC veut licencier en Italie...
https://www.themeditelegraph.com/it/shipping/cruise-and-ferries/2020/03/28/news/crisi-covid-19-msc-crociere-attiva-la-cassa-integrazione-1.38649184
https://www.themeditelegraph.com/it/shipping/cruise-and-ferries/2020/03/28/news/crisi-covid-19-msc-crociere-attiva-la-cassa-integrazione-1.38649184
Mathilde
Bonjour,
Objection votre honneur : ne pas confondre "siège social" et port d'attache/pavillon de complaisance ! Ma première recherche de base :
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupe_Carnival
ne concernant que Carnival -le plus gros- indique leur siège à Miami (et Southampton à cause de la filiale Cunard) Il y a donc bien du personnel siège aux USA. Bien sur, le gros des effectifs étant à bord des navires, pour la plupart en CDD précaires sans doute, il ne va pas trop impacter les chiffres de l'emploi US. La grosse économie de ces compagnies reste l'enregistrement à un port d'attache qui varie selon les flottes des Cies . Un membre de VF pourrait peut être chiffrer un peu cet aspect ?
Reste aussi qu'il me semble avoir entendu ou lu que tout citoyen (ou Cie ?) US expatrié doit quand même déclarer ses revenus au fisc américain ? Si c'est exact le marasme des croisièristes devrait peut être interpeller le Donald pour ses revenus d'impôts futurs ???? Là encore je fais appel à un membre VF résidant aux US pour nous éclairer !!!
ne concernant que Carnival -le plus gros- indique leur siège à Miami (et Southampton à cause de la filiale Cunard) Il y a donc bien du personnel siège aux USA. Bien sur, le gros des effectifs étant à bord des navires, pour la plupart en CDD précaires sans doute, il ne va pas trop impacter les chiffres de l'emploi US. La grosse économie de ces compagnies reste l'enregistrement à un port d'attache qui varie selon les flottes des Cies . Un membre de VF pourrait peut être chiffrer un peu cet aspect ?
Reste aussi qu'il me semble avoir entendu ou lu que tout citoyen (ou Cie ?) US expatrié doit quand même déclarer ses revenus au fisc américain ? Si c'est exact le marasme des croisièristes devrait peut être interpeller le Donald pour ses revenus d'impôts futurs ???? Là encore je fais appel à un membre VF résidant aux US pour nous éclairer !!!
Si vous ne réussissez jamais rien du premier coup, n'essayez pas le parachutisme !
Les sièges dont vous parlez sont des sièges de filiales. Les sièges centraux sont bien offshore, comme je l'indiquais. C'est là que sont rapatriés les profits, ce qui motive la position de Trump.
Par ailleurs aucun bateau n'est immatriculé aux USA, moyen supplémentaire d'échapper à la fiscalité Américaine .
Pour assurer sa survie, Carnival vient de se refinancer en empruntant 10 milliards de dollars au taux vertigineux de 12% .
Bonjour, pouvez-vous indiquer votre source?
10 Milliards à 12%! Cela ressemble fort à des "Junk bonds"
Qui a prêté? Pour emprunter à ce taux, la Société Carnival est forcément très proche du dépôt de bilan. Bien sur, en ce refinançant à des taux très bas, donc avec une marge d'au moins 10%, c'est très tentant pour le ou les prêteurs. L'appat du gain peut amener, comme d'habitude, à des prises de risque pas très raisonnables.
Pour assurer sa survie, Carnival vient de se refinancer en empruntant 10 milliards de dollars au taux vertigineux de 12% .
En réalité Carnival Corp. a lancé une émission obligataire de 3 milliards de dollars avec un coupon de 12%. Carnival chercherait à trouver jusqu'à 6 milliards, répartis en dollars et en euros. Mas d'accord avec vous que 12% de nos jours fait réfléchir. C'est le signe que les marchés financiers n'ont pas grande confiance sur la solidité financière du groupe voire ont des craintes pour sa survie. L'action valait 51,94 $ au 1er janvier, 8,80 $ hier (près de -80 %), Wall Street aussi se pose des questions. Cordialement
En réalité Carnival Corp. a lancé une émission obligataire de 3 milliards de dollars avec un coupon de 12%. Carnival chercherait à trouver jusqu'à 6 milliards, répartis en dollars et en euros. Mas d'accord avec vous que 12% de nos jours fait réfléchir. C'est le signe que les marchés financiers n'ont pas grande confiance sur la solidité financière du groupe voire ont des craintes pour sa survie. L'action valait 51,94 $ au 1er janvier, 8,80 $ hier (près de -80 %), Wall Street aussi se pose des questions. Cordialement
Bonne analyse et qui ne concerne pas exclusivement les compagnies US ou leurs filiales à l'étranger , offshore ou pas . Particulièrement à prendre en considération :
Elles se sont dangereusement surendettées en ayant eu la folie des grandeurs.
Situations à réexaminer , compagnies par compagnies , dans 6 mois minimum ! Par ailleurs mais dans le même sujet : Ces compagnies vont-elles pouvoir recruter , dans 6 mois, des milliers de membres d'équipages indispensables pour pouvoir fonctionner normalement , ET ayant des anticorps protecteurs contre le Covid-19 donc "immunisés" (comment ?) (séropositivité prouvée par des tests sérologiques fiables et crédibles) ?? Ou prendre le ""risque"" de recruter des équipages (séronégatifs) susceptibles de tomber malades au contact de passagers Asymptomatiques séronégatifs au moment de l'embarquement ? càd passagers d'un âge certain & jamais entrés en contact avec le virus (séronégatifs) ?? Il n' y a donc PAS QUE la politique de subventions financières étatiques ou pas à prendre en considération pour une reprise normale des croisières d'une compagnie X ou Y !
Elles se sont dangereusement surendettées en ayant eu la folie des grandeurs.
Situations à réexaminer , compagnies par compagnies , dans 6 mois minimum ! Par ailleurs mais dans le même sujet : Ces compagnies vont-elles pouvoir recruter , dans 6 mois, des milliers de membres d'équipages indispensables pour pouvoir fonctionner normalement , ET ayant des anticorps protecteurs contre le Covid-19 donc "immunisés" (comment ?) (séropositivité prouvée par des tests sérologiques fiables et crédibles) ?? Ou prendre le ""risque"" de recruter des équipages (séronégatifs) susceptibles de tomber malades au contact de passagers Asymptomatiques séronégatifs au moment de l'embarquement ? càd passagers d'un âge certain & jamais entrés en contact avec le virus (séronégatifs) ?? Il n' y a donc PAS QUE la politique de subventions financières étatiques ou pas à prendre en considération pour une reprise normale des croisières d'une compagnie X ou Y !
JS
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For me, Nathalie was so much more than just a cruise enthusiast. She was a friend, a deeply kind person who was always there to listen, despite the many health challenges she faced with tremendous courage. We corresponded regularly, and sometimes we had the chance to visit each other’s homes or attend the cruise show together with our respective husbands.
We shared a common dream: when we both retired, we had planned to finally go on a cruise together. Life had other plans, and that trip will forever remain a journey we never had the chance to take. That thought weighs heavily on my heart today.
I’ll remember her as a gentle, generous woman who was always ready to help others. Her presence on this forum will leave a huge void, just as her friendship has in my life.
I send my sincerest thoughts to her husband, her family, and all those who had the chance to know her.
Fair winds, Nathalie. I like to think you’re now sailing on an infinitely calm sea, under an eternally blue sky. You’ll remain in our thoughts and hearts every time we talk about cruises or set off on a new journey.
Rest in peace, Nathalie.
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We’re heading off on another cruise—our 7th—after a 5-year break...
We’ll be leaving from Venice on April 26th with stops in Kotor, Mykonos, Santorini, and Ancona.
Could you help me plan the stops by sharing tips, tricks, and advice?
For those who already know me, you know we prefer not to take the cruise line’s excursions but instead organize everything ourselves.
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We’re back from this cruise.
Boarding in Dunkirk: The doors opened around 12 PM. Since we were a bit early, I asked if my husband, who uses a walker, could wait inside instead of outside. I left him with the two suitcases and our two backpacks in the small hall while I parked the car in the reserved CFC parking lot for 10 € per day.
The shuttle that was supposed to take people from the parking lot to the model pavilion was supposed to arrive in 5 minutes, but after 15 minutes, nothing. After waiting 15 minutes, I saw a man walking and asked if I could follow him. In 15 minutes, we arrived, and still no sign of the shuttle—it must have passed us. Arrived at the model pavilion.
My husband had already checked in the suitcases with the help of a CFC staff member. The remaining formalities were completed quickly. We were on board by 12:15 PM. Headed to the buffet on deck 11 and waited in a lounge to access our cabin.
At 2 PM, we discovered our balcony cabin on deck 9 at the rear: spacious with a large balcony compared to MSC/COSTA.
Since we were at the rear, cabin 9202, there was always an issue with elevator number 4: "priority."
Elevator number 2 stops at deck 10... and elevator number 3 was often out of order, leaving only number 1 for those with mobility issues to reach the buffet, especially for people who struggle with stairs. Note: only one child on board and lots of "gray hair."
DAY 2: At sea. Lots of activities offered.
Day 3: GOTHENBURG (Sweden). Sunny, 19°C at 11 AM.
Excursion booked with CFC: Gothenburg and Haga for all.
Interesting visit with a great guide. The HAGA district, in our opinion, is full of cobblestones and nothing special, not suitable for people using a cane or wheelchair. Elevator number 3 was out of order again.
Day 4: Copenhagen. 15°C in the morning, showers in the afternoon.
We didn’t book an excursion since we’d already stopped here with CFC in 2025, and based on advice from this forum, we took the hop-on/hop-off bus right in front of the ship. I still went to see the Little Mermaid again.
No TV, but the elevator was fixed.
DAY 5: At sea. Still no TV.
DAY 6: GDANSK (Poland). 15°C, rain all day.
There’s a shuttle to get to the city center.
We took the excursion: Panorama of Gdansk.
The guide left us at the entrance of the city center for 45 minutes, telling us what to visit. Meet-up for the rest of the tour at 3 PM. The bus left at 3:15 PM to cover 10 km to see St. Mary’s Cathedral. We arrived at 4:16 PM... The guide said there are often traffic jams in that direction. We had 10 minutes on site before heading to see the lighthouse and the Westerplatte monument, where we also had 10 minutes.
Many of us wondered why we didn’t do the tour in the opposite direction since they knew there would be traffic...
I went to reception to complain about the organization. The staff member read me the program: we were supposed to start with the lighthouse, then go to the cathedral and stay for 30 minutes before heading to the center of Gdansk for a short guided walk with some free time to buy souvenirs, etc.
The guide did the complete opposite of what was planned and didn’t even give us a guided tour—just dropped us off in the city...
DAY 7: Bornholm Island (Denmark). 14°C, a few sunny spells.
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DAY 8: KIEL (Germany). 18–23°C, nice weather.
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The port is in the city, and in 10 minutes, we were in the city center by following a blue line on the ground from the port. Elevator 3 was stuck again... and the TV was back.
DAY 9: At sea. Elevator 3 works.
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We had a water leak in our cabin the night before disembarkation. We reported it, and after the technical staff came (with a translator who didn’t speak English), we were asked to leave the cabin for a while for repairs. We went to a lounge, and after 1.5 hours, I checked in at reception. The repair took longer than expected... we had to change cabins... not ideal the night before disembarkation. No balcony cabins were available, so we got an ocean-view cabin, 6075, with a bathtub (impossible for both of us to use). We packed our suitcases, took a shower in our cabin, and moved to the new one. Noise from chairs until 12:30 AM because the cabin was under a lounge, and constant ventilation noise in the hallway... sleep was hard to come by. Disembarkation: Well organized. We were helped with transporting the two suitcases and bags to the waiting room while I took the shuttle to get the car. Guylène
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Is it possible to get there on our own (my husband is a wheelchair user), since the MSC excursion to Salisbury is priced at 127 € per person?
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If you're traveling on the Costa Diadema from October 17th to 28th, 2026 to Lisbon, we can meet up for a drink. Share our cruising experiences, an excursion, a table...
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Thanks in advance to anyone who can share what there is to see or do in these places.
When I get back, I’ll post what we did—it might help others who come after us.
Also, does anyone know if the boat sticks to the arrival time in Dunkirk for catching tickets to head back south? We’ll plan a buffer just in case.
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Thanks in advance to anyone who can share what there is to see or do in these places.
When I get back, I’ll post what we did—it might help others who come after us.
Also, does anyone know if the boat sticks to the arrival time in Dunkirk for catching tickets to head back south? We’ll plan a buffer just in case.
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I’m looking to get in touch with someone who’s been on an Arctic Cruise aboard the ship POLARFRONT, operated by the French company "LATITUDE BLANCHE", for some info.
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I’m looking to get in touch with someone who’s been on an Arctic Cruise aboard the ship POLARFRONT, operated by the French company "LATITUDE BLANCHE", for some info.
https://www.latitudeblanche.com/voyages-grandnord-polarfront/
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Hi there, I was wondering if anyone has ever taken a cruise with this PO Cruise company.
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They’ve got some great itineraries for Norway.Hello,
We’ll be sailing on the Renaissance with CFC to southern Norway from July 4 to 11, 2026, departing from Dunkirk (the cruise was booked through "Planète Croisière").
When entering some personal details or pre-selecting options on the CFC website, I’m wondering about the "optional" categories for drinks and WiFi.
I’m actually a bit surprised by these extra charges, as we weren’t used to them on other cruises (Australis in Patagonia; Hurtigruten’s Coastal Express in Norway and Alaska; Rivages du Monde in the Arctic or on the Douro River; a Nile river cruise in Egypt), where we sometimes had access to basic drinks at meals and free WiFi when near land.
Anyway, for those who’ve already taken a CFC cruise on the Renaissance, could you share some advice? Specifically about the most basic drink package, called "Fraîcheur" (238 € for two), which doesn’t seem to be described anywhere. The "Premium" package seems excessive (490 € for two for the week) for light drinkers.
As for WiFi, it’s 10 € per day per person. While I find that price acceptable for parking our car in Dunkirk, it feels overpriced here (especially since it was free on the Nordlys "Coastal Express" just 3 or 4 years ago).
So, I’d love to hear from experienced cruisers who’ve been on this ship!
Looking forward to seeing the excursion prices, which should be available soon! 😐
Thanks in advance!
Thanks in advance!
Hi there,
I’d love to hear from travelers who’ve done this cruise with Rivages du Monde or CroisiEurope.
Thanks!
Elettra69
Hi there,
I’m considering a cruise on this ship in the recently introduced Yacht Club category.
Have any forum members tried it?
What are your thoughts? Positive or negative? Which cabins should we go for—or avoid?
We’re already familiar with the Yacht Clubs on the Splendida, Fantasia, Preziosa, and Divina series.
We weren’t as keen on the one on the Seashore—we found it too big.
Thanks in advance for your feedback!
Best,
Claudine
Hi there,
I’d love to hear your thoughts on this cruise and its slightly unusual itinerary.
Also, what do you think about the price?
Good deal or too expensive?
Thanks
We're considering a new cruise soon and would like to try the Renaissance.
The uniqueness of the promenade cabins appeals to us, but could anyone give us some insights on the following points:
- Is the glass door sufficiently tinted to prevent outsiders from seeing into the cabin?
- Is the soundproofing good enough to block out conversations on the promenade deck?
Thanks in advance to anyone who can help!
Hi there,
Do you have a hotel near the cruise port (or easy to reach by metro with luggage) to recommend? I’m planning to spend two days there before boarding.
Thanks in advance! Claudine
Do you have a hotel near the cruise port (or easy to reach by metro with luggage) to recommend? I’m planning to spend two days there before boarding.
Thanks in advance! Claudine
Hello,
My husband, our two teens, and I are going on a cruise on the COSTA Esmeralda at the beginning of July. We’re thinking of exploring the ports on our own. Do any of you have recent experiences or tips to share? Are there shuttles between the port and the city center? Are they free? Looking forward to hearing from you.
My husband, our two teens, and I are going on a cruise on the COSTA Esmeralda at the beginning of July. We’re thinking of exploring the ports on our own. Do any of you have recent experiences or tips to share? Are there shuttles between the port and the city center? Are they free? Looking forward to hearing from you.
Hi, can you eat in the evening at the Costa Smeralda’s cafeteria, or do you have to dine at the restaurant? Thanks for your reply.
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Hi everyone,
As promised, here’s my review of the cruise I took from the 5th to the 19th on the MSC Virtuosa.
As you know, I had initially booked a cruise with Mein Schiff departing from Dubai (from Dubai to Cape Town). It was a 22-day cruise. Due to the issues in the Persian Gulf, my cruise was canceled by Mein Schiff.
So, we started looking for a Plan B because we really wanted to go. Especially my wife, who had just had a minor procedure and needed some rest. Since she had already taken time off, she was determined to travel. However, we were looking for an affordable Plan B since we weren’t sure when Mein Schiff or the airline would reimburse us.
While browsing online, I found a 15-day cruise departing from Pointe-à-Pitre (including flights, transfers, the cruise, and drinks) for a price of 1,200 € in a Fantastica balcony cabin. We thought, *Why not?*
I should mention that I’m not usually a big fan of MSC. My last experience with them was post-Covid (I took two cruises, one in 2021 and another in 2022), and it was honestly a disaster. We didn’t want to repeat that, but after talking to Catherine, who told me she was very happy with a short Christmas cruise, we decided to give it a try.
I have to say, I was left speechless. Honestly, the cruise was absolutely perfect. There’s nothing to complain about (or just a few minor details). In terms of service and food, I felt like I was on a premium cruise line. I’d even say MSC has nothing to envy from some of those companies. While premium lines like Holland, Celebrity, and Royal are cutting back on services, I think MSC has made huge improvements. Seriously, I wasn’t expecting this at all. You’ll see what I mean as we chat more.
I won’t do a full review like I usually do because there weren’t many stops: 1. We boarded in Pointe-à-Pitre 2. We stopped in Saint-Martin 3. Then it was a direct crossing to the Azores...
This cruise was really about relaxing, even if it’s not the kind of trip we usually take.
First off, I’m not a big fan of "flight and cruise" packages. I asked if we could leave two days early, but they said it wasn’t possible. We had to take the flight, then the bus, and board the ship directly.
It’s not really my thing, but given the price we paid and since we really wanted to relax, we thought, *Why not?*
Here’s the itinerary:
Boarding in Pointe-à-Pitre Saint-Martin Five days at sea The Azores Four days at sea Hamburg One day at sea Le Havre

But as I mentioned, it wasn’t about the itinerary. It was really about taking a break and unwinding. Honestly, I came back thrilled.
Departure and boarding details to come
As promised, here’s my review of the cruise I took from the 5th to the 19th on the MSC Virtuosa.
As you know, I had initially booked a cruise with Mein Schiff departing from Dubai (from Dubai to Cape Town). It was a 22-day cruise. Due to the issues in the Persian Gulf, my cruise was canceled by Mein Schiff.
So, we started looking for a Plan B because we really wanted to go. Especially my wife, who had just had a minor procedure and needed some rest. Since she had already taken time off, she was determined to travel. However, we were looking for an affordable Plan B since we weren’t sure when Mein Schiff or the airline would reimburse us.
While browsing online, I found a 15-day cruise departing from Pointe-à-Pitre (including flights, transfers, the cruise, and drinks) for a price of 1,200 € in a Fantastica balcony cabin. We thought, *Why not?*
I should mention that I’m not usually a big fan of MSC. My last experience with them was post-Covid (I took two cruises, one in 2021 and another in 2022), and it was honestly a disaster. We didn’t want to repeat that, but after talking to Catherine, who told me she was very happy with a short Christmas cruise, we decided to give it a try.
I have to say, I was left speechless. Honestly, the cruise was absolutely perfect. There’s nothing to complain about (or just a few minor details). In terms of service and food, I felt like I was on a premium cruise line. I’d even say MSC has nothing to envy from some of those companies. While premium lines like Holland, Celebrity, and Royal are cutting back on services, I think MSC has made huge improvements. Seriously, I wasn’t expecting this at all. You’ll see what I mean as we chat more.
I won’t do a full review like I usually do because there weren’t many stops: 1. We boarded in Pointe-à-Pitre 2. We stopped in Saint-Martin 3. Then it was a direct crossing to the Azores...
This cruise was really about relaxing, even if it’s not the kind of trip we usually take.
First off, I’m not a big fan of "flight and cruise" packages. I asked if we could leave two days early, but they said it wasn’t possible. We had to take the flight, then the bus, and board the ship directly.
It’s not really my thing, but given the price we paid and since we really wanted to relax, we thought, *Why not?*
Here’s the itinerary:
Boarding in Pointe-à-Pitre Saint-Martin Five days at sea The Azores Four days at sea Hamburg One day at sea Le Havre

But as I mentioned, it wasn’t about the itinerary. It was really about taking a break and unwinding. Honestly, I came back thrilled.
Departure and boarding details to come
Hi there
Is the water from the cabin sinks drinkable?
Is the water from the cabin sinks drinkable?
We’re stopping over in Rovinj this coming May, and since we’ve already visited the main sights (port, church, etc.), is there a walk we can do on our own—no boat needed—that would fill a morning?
Thanks to anyone who knows the area…
My wife and I are going on a cruise on the MS Vesteralen on August 4th. The ship stays close to the coast to deliver mail and packages. My wife is a musician and is sensitive to the movement of the boat. Which deck and cabin should we choose?
Thanks in advance
Thanks in advance
Hi there,
So, I booked this cruise...
I know CFC gets a lot of criticism—
- And that it’s not really like the ships I usually take.
But the destination really interested me...
So, I’m giving it a try...
I’m going in with an open mind, thinking I got a good deal, so I’m not expecting the same experience as when I travel with Yacht Club or The Haven.
We’ll see... soon!hi, we’re going on a cruise with MSC Virtuosa in the Caribbean. Has anyone done this cruise before and could give us some tips for excursions on the different islands? Thanks for your help
😉Hi there,
A few months ago, CFC put the EN VOGUE experience on sale, departing from Dunkirk.
I booked this package to test the boat and onboard services for myself.
I’d read a lot of reviews mentioning numerous issues on board, so I wanted to see for myself what it was really like…
Okay, I’ll stop rambling… The package included boarding at 6 PM on Friday, dinner, a show, an overnight stay, and breakfast. We chose an interior cabin for this experience—since the boat wasn’t leaving the dock, we didn’t see the point in paying more… All in all, it cost 130 € per person. My mom joined us; she got the same cabin for 130 € with no single occupancy supplement.
We’d checked in online to board faster. We took the train to DUNKIRK, then a taxi to the shuttle pavilion—7 € for the ride. When we arrived at the pavilion, we were told to wait because there was a connection issue with check-in. Great start… After about ten minutes, we were finally allowed to proceed. At the counter, they said they didn’t have our cabin cards and no record of our check-in… Very odd. With no solution, they put us on the bus and said we’d sort it out at reception. Perfect. We went through security, and they confiscated our water bottles—never seen that before! Then they said my mom had a corkscrew in her bag, so they searched it… but there was no corkscrew. Total amateur hour… They eventually dropped it.
We got on the bus for a ten-minute ride… We boarded the ship with a crew member and headed to reception. Turns out, we weren’t the only ones in this situation. The nightmare began… Only two staff members were handling all the issues, and everything seemed complicated. They told my mom her cabin had been given to someone else 😲. That was the last straw…
It took forever—they had to redo the entire check-in. Finally, they told my mom her cabin was good to go; they’d mixed her up with someone else… After a solid half-hour, we could finally head to our cabin.
I’m determined to test everything: the pool, jacuzzi, show, restaurant, spa, etc… TO BE CONTINUED
Okay, I’ll stop rambling… The package included boarding at 6 PM on Friday, dinner, a show, an overnight stay, and breakfast. We chose an interior cabin for this experience—since the boat wasn’t leaving the dock, we didn’t see the point in paying more… All in all, it cost 130 € per person. My mom joined us; she got the same cabin for 130 € with no single occupancy supplement.
We’d checked in online to board faster. We took the train to DUNKIRK, then a taxi to the shuttle pavilion—7 € for the ride. When we arrived at the pavilion, we were told to wait because there was a connection issue with check-in. Great start… After about ten minutes, we were finally allowed to proceed. At the counter, they said they didn’t have our cabin cards and no record of our check-in… Very odd. With no solution, they put us on the bus and said we’d sort it out at reception. Perfect. We went through security, and they confiscated our water bottles—never seen that before! Then they said my mom had a corkscrew in her bag, so they searched it… but there was no corkscrew. Total amateur hour… They eventually dropped it.
We got on the bus for a ten-minute ride… We boarded the ship with a crew member and headed to reception. Turns out, we weren’t the only ones in this situation. The nightmare began… Only two staff members were handling all the issues, and everything seemed complicated. They told my mom her cabin had been given to someone else 😲. That was the last straw…
It took forever—they had to redo the entire check-in. Finally, they told my mom her cabin was good to go; they’d mixed her up with someone else… After a solid half-hour, we could finally head to our cabin.
I’m determined to test everything: the pool, jacuzzi, show, restaurant, spa, etc… TO BE CONTINUED
Hi,
We received a promotion from our CFC agency offering cruises at up to 40-100% off, and among other details: CFC organizes parking for departures from Dunkirk.
"Unattended parking located about 12 minutes away, fenced off with barriers, at a rate of 10 € per day. Drop off passengers and luggage at the Model Pavilion, and a CFC shuttle will take you from the parking lot to the Model Pavilion every 15-20 minutes. Same for disembarkation. You can book through your agency or on their website. No refunds if the booking is canceled; payment is due at reservation."
Have a great day,
Guylène
PS: Personally, we’d rather keep our vehicle in a free, supervised parking lot and take a taxi to the Model Pavilion.
Hi there,
In June we’re taking a cruise called "Pearls of the Baltic" on board Renaissance CFC Cruises—with stops in Kiel (Germany), Gdańsk (Poland), Rønne (Bornholm), Copenhagen (Denmark), and Gothenburg (Sweden).
This layover in Gothenburg doesn’t really inspire me—could you tell me what’s worth seeing? Are there locals offering excursions around the area by van right when you leave the port, like you often see on Caribbean cruises?
I saw there’s a hop-on hop-off bus, but I’m not sure if there’s a stop near the terminal.
What are your suggestions? Thanks in advance! Best regards,
This layover in Gothenburg doesn’t really inspire me—could you tell me what’s worth seeing? Are there locals offering excursions around the area by van right when you leave the port, like you often see on Caribbean cruises?
I saw there’s a hop-on hop-off bus, but I’m not sure if there’s a stop near the terminal.
What are your suggestions? Thanks in advance! Best regards,
Hi! On June 10th, we’re heading off on a 10-day Baltic Sea cruise with CFC Cruises’ *Renaissance*. We’ll be stopping in Copenhagen, and we’re planning to take the City Sightseeing hop-on hop-off buses to explore the city with multiple stops. Could anyone tell me which quay cruise ships usually dock at and how to get from the quay to the nearest stop to board the tour bus? Thanks for your tips and suggestions!




