Contrôle d'identité en transit dans un pays membre de l'Union européenne?
by Natris
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Bonjour à tous,
Je fais appel à vous car personne n'a su me répondre précisémment auparavant. J'ai 17 ans et je m'apprête à voyager seul. Mon voyage est assez complexe mais j'aime bien les choses complexes ! 🙂 Tout d'abord sachez que je n'ai pas de passeport.
Je vais d'abord faire un vol Réunion - Paris accompagné de mon père. Afin de rejoindre ma mère qui est en vacances en Estonie, j'ai donc pris un vol Paris - Tallinn le lendemain de mon arrivée à Paris, je vais faire Orly - CDG avec une navette je pense. N'ayant pas de passeport, j'ai donc été demander à la mairie une autorisation de sortie de territoire qui, couplée avec la carte d'identité, me permet de voyager partout dans l'UE sans mes parents. MAIS, sur cette autorisation de sortie de territoire, il y est écrit que je suis autorisé à voyager en, je cite, "METROPOLE/ESTONIE". Le problème est que j'ai une escale en Finlande lors du vol Paris - Tallinn. La Finlande étant dans l'Espace Shengen et dans l'UE, vais-je avoir droit à un contrôle douanier ? J'ai pensé que non, vue que ce n'est pas ma destination finale et que donc je suis en transit au sein de l'Espace Shengen mais j'ai besoin de confirmation.
N'ayant pas précisé la Finlande dans mon autorisation de sortie, j'ai été redemander à la mairie de le rajouter au cas où. Ils m'ont rajouté au stylo "EUROPE" à coté des 2 autres destinations avec le tampon de la mairie juste au-dessus. Cela posera-t-il problème à la douane française d'avoir un truc rajouté au stylo ?
Merci d'avance à ceux qui m'aideront
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Natris.
Bonjour,
Non, tout ça ne pose pas de problème.
Michel
Non, tout ça ne pose pas de problème.
Michel
Je suppose qu'il y a des navettes qui le font mais pas de soucis si je le prends seul tout en étant mineur ?
Oui il y a des bus Air France. Pourquoi voulez-vous avoir des problèmes ?
Michel
Oui il y a des bus Air France. Pourquoi voulez-vous avoir des problèmes ?
Michel
Tout d'abord sachez que je n'ai pas de passeport.
Salut, Les citoyens de la Réunion doivent avoir un passeport valide pour aller en Estonie! Cliquer sur ce lien.
http://www.timaticweb.com/cgi-bin/tim_website_client.cgi?SpecData=1&VISA=&page=visa&NA=RE&AR=00&PASSTYPES=PASS&DE=EE&user=DL&subuser=DELTAB2C
Salut, Les citoyens de la Réunion doivent avoir un passeport valide pour aller en Estonie! Cliquer sur ce lien.
http://www.timaticweb.com/cgi-bin/tim_website_client.cgi?SpecData=1&VISA=&page=visa&NA=RE&AR=00&PASSTYPES=PASS&DE=EE&user=DL&subuser=DELTAB2C
Cordialement
Fayd
Tout d'abord sachez que je n'ai pas de passeport.
Salut, Les citoyens de la Réunion doivent avoir un passeport valide pour aller en Estonie! Cliquer sur ce lien.
Bonsoir, Qu'est-ce qu'on appelle "citoyen de la Réunion" ? Je suis né en Ile de France dans la Seine et Marne. Ma carte d'identité a été faite en Essonne. J'habite à la Réunion mais pas grand chose ne l'atteste. M'enfin, un réunionais a bien une carte d'identité attestant qu'il est citoyen franaçais, c'est quoi un citoyen de la Réunion ?! Tout réunionais est un citoyen français à ce que je sache. De plus je me présente à l'aéroport de CDG sans aucune preuve attestant que je viens de la Réunion puisque le billet Paris - Tallinn a été pris à part du billet Réunion - Paris. De plus je lis bien sur votre lien :
Passport and/or passport replacing documents must be valid for intended stay.
Une carte d'identité et une autorisation de sortie de territoire remplacent bien le passeport pour un pays membre de l'UE ?
Salut, Les citoyens de la Réunion doivent avoir un passeport valide pour aller en Estonie! Cliquer sur ce lien.
Bonsoir, Qu'est-ce qu'on appelle "citoyen de la Réunion" ? Je suis né en Ile de France dans la Seine et Marne. Ma carte d'identité a été faite en Essonne. J'habite à la Réunion mais pas grand chose ne l'atteste. M'enfin, un réunionais a bien une carte d'identité attestant qu'il est citoyen franaçais, c'est quoi un citoyen de la Réunion ?! Tout réunionais est un citoyen français à ce que je sache. De plus je me présente à l'aéroport de CDG sans aucune preuve attestant que je viens de la Réunion puisque le billet Paris - Tallinn a été pris à part du billet Réunion - Paris. De plus je lis bien sur votre lien :
Passport and/or passport replacing documents must be valid for intended stay.
Une carte d'identité et une autorisation de sortie de territoire remplacent bien le passeport pour un pays membre de l'UE ?
c'est quoi un citoyen de la Réunion
Un citoyen de la Réunion fait partie des DOM TOM. Le visa Schengen n'est pas valable pour ces territoires de la république française. Même les personnes qui ont une carte de séjour métropolitaine ne peuvent pas résider aux DOM TOM😏. Avec la CI de la métropole, pas de problème.
Un citoyen de la Réunion fait partie des DOM TOM. Le visa Schengen n'est pas valable pour ces territoires de la république française. Même les personnes qui ont une carte de séjour métropolitaine ne peuvent pas résider aux DOM TOM😏. Avec la CI de la métropole, pas de problème.
Cordialement
Fayd
Ah d'accord. C'est interessant. Mais c'est abérant vous ne trouvez pas ?! Encore une fois les DOM TOM laissés de côté, je trouve ça vraiment désolant. On est fier de revendiquer qu'on a des DOM et des TOM partout dans le monde mais ils ne sont même pas complètement intégrés en France et surtout en UE (et Schengen par la même occasion) notamment pour le transport et les échanges... 🤪
Ma CI est a bien été faite en Métropole délivrée par la préfecture de l'Essonne. Donc avec une CI de métropole et une AST signée d'une mairie réunionaise c'est bon ? Car sur votre lien le "Passport and/or passport replacing documents", je lis bien que l'on doit avoir un passeport et/ou des documents remplacant le passeport. Donc même un "citoyen réunionnais" comme ils l'appellent, avec une CI et une AST réunionnaise serait en règle non ?
Une carte d'identité et une autorisation de sortie de territoire remplacent bien le passeport pour un pays membre de l'UE ?
L'autorisation de sortie du territoire sert uniquement à des mineurs qui voyageraient avec une carte d'identité et sans aucun de ses parents : elle ne peut être demandée qu'à la sortie du territoire, jamais ailleurs, vous pouvez en faire un avion en papier une fois embarqué.
Michel
L'autorisation de sortie du territoire sert uniquement à des mineurs qui voyageraient avec une carte d'identité et sans aucun de ses parents : elle ne peut être demandée qu'à la sortie du territoire, jamais ailleurs, vous pouvez en faire un avion en papier une fois embarqué.
Michel
Sans problème, j'espère, et ne pas stresser😎!
Timatic concerne les compagnies aériennes, qui se basent sur ça pour refuser l'embarquement.
Un conseil, aller se renseigner à l'aéroport (à la réunion) auprès des agents de la compagnie aérienne, et leur expliquer ton cas.
Cordialement
Fayd
Oui c'est bien ce qu'on m'avait expliqué à la mairie pour l'AST.
Le "problème" (ou plutôt une bonne chose dans mon cas je pense) est que ces 2 vols (Réunion - Paris et Paris - Tallinn) n'ont absolument aucun rapport. J'ai pris le vol Paris - Tallinn complètement à part. Donc je ne peux rien demander à la Réunion, ils n'en savent rien. Vous pensez que je dois quand même contacter la compagnie de mon vol Paris - Tallinn à CDG ? Ils seraient capables de me refuser l'embarquement juste parce que j'ai une autorisation de sortie de territoire réunionnaise ? 😮
C'est avec quelle compagnie?, si elle a un représentant à la Réunion, c'est à lui de se renseigner à PARIS par téléphone, et te donner la réponse exacte.
Un agent d'air france sur place peut faire l'affaire.
Cordialement
Fayd
C'est Finnair.
Pour ne pas stresser, si tu as des parents sur Paris, ils vont au comptoir finnair à Orly, pour expliquer le problème, et se renseigner.
Pour ne pas stresser, si tu as des parents sur Paris, ils vont au comptoir finnair à Orly, pour expliquer le problème, et se renseigner.
Cordialement
Fayd
ils vont au comptoir finnair à Orly
C'est à Orly, Finnair ?
Michel
C'est à Orly, Finnair ?
Michel
J'ai personne sur Paris. 😕
Mais à l'embarquement ce n'est pas un simple contrôle du billet pour voir si le nom sur le billet correspond bien à celui sur la pièce d'identité ? Et comment se fait-il que ces histoires soient du ressort de la compagnie aérienne ? Ce n'est pas plutôt la douane (ou la police aux frontières je ne sais pas) qui se doit de contrôler scupuleusement ces papiers ? Parce que ça m'étonnerai qu'un simple employé qui travaille à l'enrengistrement ou à l'embarquement soit au courant de toutes ces réglementations. Une AST qu'elle soit délivrée par la mairie d'une commune de la Réunion ou du Tarn et Garronne n'a-t-elle pas la même valeur ?
C'est à Orly, Finnair ?
Salut, C'est à CDG, J'étais concentré sur son arrivée à Paris. Et il parait que c'est airfrance qui s'occupe de tout, car Finnair n'a même pas de comptoir à CDG, ce qui serait plus facile pour avoir des renseignements.
Salut, C'est à CDG, J'étais concentré sur son arrivée à Paris. Et il parait que c'est airfrance qui s'occupe de tout, car Finnair n'a même pas de comptoir à CDG, ce qui serait plus facile pour avoir des renseignements.
Cordialement
Fayd
Parce que ça m'étonnerai qu'un simple employé qui travaille à l'enrengistrement ou à l'embarquement soit au courant de toutes ces réglementations.
Ben si ! 🙂
Michel
Ben si ! 🙂
Michel
C'est l'agent de la compagnie aérienne qui vérifie scrupuleusement les papiers, plus que la PAF, surtout au sein de l'espace Schengen.
Se renseigner chez Airfrance chez toi pour voyager tranquille.
Finnair à un hub pour Helsinki au terminal 2D à CDG.
Cordialement
Fayd
Bonjour à vous,
Merci encore une fois de vous interesser à mon cas et de prendre le temps de répondre à mes questions. Pour en revenir à cette histoire d'autorisation de sortie. Je l'ai regardé encore une fois et je vous assure qu'il n'y a aucun indice permettant de dire que la commune qui m'a délivré cette autorisation se trouve à la Réunion. Aucune trace écrite scrupulant "La Réunion" ou "974". Il y a juste le nom de la commune. Dans mon cas il y a un indice puisqu'avec la destination rajoutée à la main il y a un tampon juste au dessus écrit "Département de la Réunion, Commune de ...". Mais sans cette "erreur", je vois guère comment un agent peut distinguer une AST d'une petite commune de Corèze et la mienne. A moins qu'il ne connaisse toutes les communes de France mais ça m'étonnerai ! 😏
je suis francais je voudrais aller en roumanie, j'aimerais savoir si c'est possible de pouvoir voyager avec ma carte d'identite seulement car j'ai perdu mon passport?
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My partner (Mexican) entered France on January 21st as a tourist. She was therefore entitled to stay for 90 days in the Schengen Area. She’ll be leaving for Mexico on April 16th, so she’ll have “used up” 86 days.
She plans to return to France on July 18th. According to the European Commission’s Schengen calculator, this new stay “may be authorized for a maximum of 90 days.” That’s not very clear ("may be," "for a maximum of").
The text of Article 6 of the European regulation (2016/399) states that for a stay planned in the territory of the Member States, not exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period, one must examine "the 180-day period preceding each day of the stay." That’s not very clear either.
My partner wants to return to France for a 90-day period starting on July 18th. Is this possible?
There are two ways to look at it:
1) The first day she spent in the Schengen Area was January 21st. That day will drop out of the calculation 180 days later, on July 20th.
From July 20th, she’ll get back 1 day of possible stay; on July 22nd, 2 days; and so on. All the days from her previous stay (January 21st–April 16th) need to be outside the 180-day rolling window. The last day of her stay was April 16th. Looking 180 days ahead, that brings us to October 13th. From that date, she’ll be able to return for a full 90 days. 2) The number of allowed days is calculated for each day of the new stay. In other words: the 180-day window is recalculated every day, not fixed at the entry date. If she re-enters France on July 18th, she’ll only have a “credit” of 4 days. But with each day of her new stay, one day from the previous stay (January–April) will drop out of the calculation. The rolling window allows her to “replace” days from the previous stay with those of the new stay, without ever exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period. In this case, my partner could stay in France for 90 days starting on July 18th. The Prefecture doesn’t provide any information, nor does Air France, and in the forums I’ve checked, opinions are divided. Thanks for any insights you can share!
She plans to return to France on July 18th. According to the European Commission’s Schengen calculator, this new stay “may be authorized for a maximum of 90 days.” That’s not very clear ("may be," "for a maximum of").
The text of Article 6 of the European regulation (2016/399) states that for a stay planned in the territory of the Member States, not exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period, one must examine "the 180-day period preceding each day of the stay." That’s not very clear either.
My partner wants to return to France for a 90-day period starting on July 18th. Is this possible?
There are two ways to look at it:
1) The first day she spent in the Schengen Area was January 21st. That day will drop out of the calculation 180 days later, on July 20th.
From July 20th, she’ll get back 1 day of possible stay; on July 22nd, 2 days; and so on. All the days from her previous stay (January 21st–April 16th) need to be outside the 180-day rolling window. The last day of her stay was April 16th. Looking 180 days ahead, that brings us to October 13th. From that date, she’ll be able to return for a full 90 days. 2) The number of allowed days is calculated for each day of the new stay. In other words: the 180-day window is recalculated every day, not fixed at the entry date. If she re-enters France on July 18th, she’ll only have a “credit” of 4 days. But with each day of her new stay, one day from the previous stay (January–April) will drop out of the calculation. The rolling window allows her to “replace” days from the previous stay with those of the new stay, without ever exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period. In this case, my partner could stay in France for 90 days starting on July 18th. The Prefecture doesn’t provide any information, nor does Air France, and in the forums I’ve checked, opinions are divided. Thanks for any insights you can share!
Hello,
We’re planning to travel to Indonesia (Sulawesi with family) next July and August for a stay longer than a month (about 6 weeks).
I’ve seen that it’s possible to get a 60-day visa before departure, but I’ve also read about people having a lot of trouble getting it (some even didn’t manage and had to leave without it).
We absolutely need to have these 4 visas BEFORE leaving because once we’re in Sulawesi, I’m not sure we’ll be able to go to an embassy to request a visa extension after 30 days.
In short, how can we **100% guarantee** that we’ll get our 4 60-day visas before our trip this summer?
Thanks for your valuable tips!
Elodie
In short, how can we **100% guarantee** that we’ll get our 4 60-day visas before our trip this summer?
Thanks for your valuable tips!
Elodie
Hi there,
I’m leaving for Japan in a few weeks. I just noticed my passport has an ink stain on the signature page. Could this cause any issues?
I’m leaving for Japan in a few weeks. I just noticed my passport has an ink stain on the signature page. Could this cause any issues?
Hello, HAPPY NEW YEAR 2026!
We’re heading back in October for a trip through Botswana, Zambia, and Zimbabwe.
I have a question: for our route, we’ll need to cross the Zambia and Zimbabwe borders twice each. From experience, I know we won’t have any issues with Botswana.
But for the other two countries, I can’t find a clear answer.
All your tips are welcome!
Thanks for your replies
Thanks for your replies
Hi everyone!
I’m currently a student on a gap year, and I don’t plan to go back to school right away. That said, traveling really interests me. But I’ve been wondering: does being a student come with any perks when you decide to go abroad? The real question is whether I should re-enroll in a program just to keep that status without actually attending.
Thanks in advance for your replies,
Axel
I’m currently a student on a gap year, and I don’t plan to go back to school right away. That said, traveling really interests me. But I’ve been wondering: does being a student come with any perks when you decide to go abroad? The real question is whether I should re-enroll in a program just to keep that status without actually attending.
Thanks in advance for your replies,
Axel