Mon projet de voyage en Afrique du Sud se finalise de plus en plus. Les billets d'avion sont achetés et deux tiers des hébergements sont réservés. Cependant, j'ai quelques interrogations concernant le "milieu" de mon voyage.
Pour mieux vous éclairez, voici mon programme de 3 semaines (pour info ce sera en août). Pour information, par rapport à ce que peux voir dans les circuits habituels, avec ma compagne nous apprécions prendre notre temps, organiser par nous même (comme beaucoup ici j'imagine) et éviter de changer d'hébergement tous les quatre matins. C'est pourquoi, nous prenons une bonne semaine au Cap pour pouvoir prendre notre temps et explorer la région (la région du Cap, mais aussi l'arrière pays Franckshoek, Stelleneboesch, Hermanus voir jusqu'à Gansbai).
7 ou 8 nuits: Le Cap (réservé)
3 ou 4 nuits: ???
6 ou 7 nuits: Kruger (réservé)
2 nuits: Graskop
1 nuit: ???
1) Pretoria ou Pilanesberg sur la route du Kruger ?
Il me reste donc à savoir quoi faire entre Le Cap et le Kruger. Je vais réserver un vol interne Le Cap-Johannesburg (j'exclue de facto un vol à Durban et le passage par le Swaziland). Johannesburg ne m'intéresse pas forcément. Notamment les visites de townships qui s'apparente plus à des visites de zoo humains ou dans le meilleur des cas à du voyeurisme (c'est mon opinion en tout cas).
De ce fait, je pensais à faire une halte à Pretoria. La ville me semble jolie avec quelques visites intéressantes (Union Buildings, Voortrekker Monument, Kruger House, Melrose House, Musée du Transvaal) et une sortie possible à la mine de Cullinan. Ce serait une bonne coupure entre Le Cap et le Kruger. Par contre, le mois d'aout c'est 4 à 6 semaines trop tôt pour les Jacarandas en fleur je crois.
Au niveau de la sécurité que pensez-vous de Pretoria ? Dans quel quartier loger ? Avez-vous une recommandation d'hôtel (dans les 50€ la nuit) ?
Si je pars sur Pretoria, je pense faire 2 nuits puis une autre vers Nelspruit pour être proche de l'entrée du parc Kruger le lendemain matin.
L'autre possibilité serait d'aller vers le Pinalesberg. Cependant, comme pour Pretoria, je voudrais faire 2 nuits sur place + 1 vers Nelspruit pour être proche de l'entrée du Kruger. Or, en arrivant vers 12h à Johannesburg (ou un peu avant), en comptant 3h de route MINIMMUM et le temps de récupérer les valises et la voiture de location, on arriverait donc qu'en fin de journée (disons 17h) aux abords du parc. Ce qui nous laisserait qu'une journée de visite complète avant de partir le lendemain aux alentours de Nelspruit.
Est-ce que le Pilanesberg vaut le coup ? Cela ne fait pas trop sachant qu'il y a quasiment une semaine au Kruger ?Pour seulement une journée de visite ? Si oui, où logez aux abords du Parc ? Des conseils d'hébergements (dans les 50€ la nuit également) ? Quels conseils prodigueriez vous pour bien visiter le parc (si c'est possible en une journée bien entendu) ?
Voilà, donc ma grosse interrogation du voyage réside dans ce choix à mon arrivée à Johannesburg après une semaine passée au Cap et une semaine à venir dans le Kruger.
2. Trois jours pour finir à Grasskop
Pour conclure, je pensais finir par la région du Blyde River Canyon. De ce fait, je partirai sur 2 nuits à Grasskop et une supplémentaire sur la route de l'aéroport Tambo (le vol est en fin de journée). Sachant qu'on sortira du Kruger, je pense qu'on arrivera à Grasskop dans l'après-midi ou en fin d'après-midi. Du coup, là aussi ça nous laissera une journée complète pour visiter le Blyde River Canyon et les alentours, voir un peu le matin le lendemain avant de reprendre la route. Est-ce suffisant selon vous? Quels sont les itinéraires préconisés pour visiter le Blyde ?
Pour la dernière nuit en route vers l'aéroport, que conseillerez-vous ? Dullstrom ? Witbank ? Pretoria ? Johannesburg ?
3. Quelques questions
Sur le Cap et sa région, j'ai déjà récupérer pas mal d'informations. J'hésite pour une sortie en mer pour aller voir les grands requins. Est-ce possible dans les alentours du Cap ou faut-il aller jusqu'à Gansbaii ? Avez-vous des "compagnies" à conseiller ? Quels sont les tarifs pratiqués en général ?
Il est peut-être possible que je décale mes dates de réservation au Cap. En effet, j'ai actuellement réservé du 2 au 9 août. J'ai achété les billets d'avion après, et vu l'offre des billets avec la Lufhtansa, je serai sur place le 1er aout. Par conséquent, soit je rajoute une journée au Cap pour faire 8 nuits ou alors je décale du 1er au 8 aout pour 7 nuits. Qu'en pensez-vous ?
Si je décale, de ce fait, j'aurai une nuit de plus entre Le Cap et le Kruger portant le total à 4 nuits. Cela pourrait donc me laisser plus de temps à Pretoria ou autres en fonction de notre choix. Il est aussi possible de rajouter une nuit supplémentaire dans le Kruger (s'il reste de la place pour réserver, j'ai déjà 6 nuits de réservée).
Est-ce facile de se garer quand on visite des villes comme Le Cap et Pretoria par exemple ? Des parkings privés/surveillés ?
Une voiture type Ford Fiesta est-ce suffisant pour visiter le Kruger ? Je compte réserver chez Avis qui semble plutôt fiable (après c'est une agence de location, quand tout va, ça va...).
Pour les vols internes, j'ai vu plusieurs compagnies sud-africaine proposant leurs services. Je pense à Mango, Kulala. C'est surtout Mango qui m'intéresse le plus et je voudrais en savoir plus les concernant vu les prix proposés (47€ Le Cap-Joburg!). Fiabilité et sécurité principalement (je m'attend pas à avoir un repas ou autre, c'est simplement pour faire le trajet...) ?
Bonjour
Pretoria, à mon sens c'est une journée de visite.
Pas de problème en général mais on évite la gare par exemple...les visites après la fermeture des magasins...bref on fait comme dans toutes les villes sudaf...gaffe.
Pilanesberg, pas d'avis, jamais été.
Requins.
Oui, c'est à Gamsbaai...attention aux rabatteurs qui trainent au Cap. Deux opérateurs sur le port...à mon sens équivalents. Traitez en direct.
Prenez donc une journée à Hermanus avec la nuit dans le coin pour être prêt aux aurores pour les requins.
Comme vous êtes longtemps sur CT vous pourriez vous permettre un tour vers le west coast NP ? et ce coin comme cape columbine, même si vous y êtes tôt en août.
Avant le retour vers Joburg je loge généralement à Dulstroom.
Pour visiter CT sans se préoccuper de la voiture....jetez un oeil sur le bus rouge, touristique certes mais bien pratique pour faire le tour de la ville (carnet chemins et détours)
Une Ford Fiesta est suffisante...une plus importante genre SUV plus rassurante.
Mango, pourquoi pas ? Veillez quand même à ne pas atterrir à Lanseria !
Un comparatif sudaf...sa airlines.
Itinéraire pour la Blyde, je dois avoir une carte sur mon carnet.
Merci pour votre retour et vos conseils. C'est bien entendu pour Pretoria. Je vais probablement faire 2 nuits. Je prends l'avion au Cap vers 9/10 heures, j'atterri à 12h à Johannesburg. Je récupère la voiture et je prend la direction de l'hôtel à Pretoria. Le lendemain, je peux voir pour visiter la ville où aller à Cullinan pour la mine de diamant. Si je fais la mine, ça laisse toujours l'après-midi pour visiter voir le lendemain matin. Sachant que je peux visiter aussi quand on arrive à Pretoria car en visant large, à 15 heures on aura posé les valises à l'hôtel. Bref, à voir, mais ça me semble largement jouable voir large d'après vous (étant donné qu'une journée est suffisante).
Pour le Cap, je compte loger au même endroit, à Hout Bay. Le West Coast NP, l'AR dans la journée ça semble faisable en effet. Oui ce sera tôt au mois d’août (du 1er au 9 aout), c'est pour les floraisons ?
A voir, je pense (certain) rajouter une nuit pour arriver sur 8 nuits, il y a l'air tellement à faire dans la région.
Pour Mango c'est le moins cher et quasiment un vol par heure ce qui laisse un libre choix sur l'horaire voulu de départ. South African Airlines propose pas mal de vol mais opéré par Mango (en fait c'est le même vol que Mango) à 20€ plus cher. Le premier vol opéré par SA Airlines est à 12h mais à 109€ (contre 47...). Merci pour Tambo, j'ai bien mis cet aéroport, car en effet il propose aussi Lanseria.
Pour la dernière nuit je vais voir, je vais éviter de faire trop de route pour rallier l'aéroport pour avoir l'esprit un peu plus tranquille. Faire 3/4 heures de route le dernier jour avec le vol le soir, je préfère éviter. Je pense qu'on prendra une nuit à Pretoria.
Je trouve très étrange de passer 8 nuits en ville dans un pays plutôt connu pour sa nature et de s' ennuyer à faire tant d'aller et retour quotidien en voiture pour visiter des environs qui peuvent être très lointain mais bon à chacun son voyage et sa façon de voyager.
Cela étant pour les nuits restantes : 2 nuits au cederberg depuis le cap; 2 nuits à Marakele depuis Joburg.
J'éviterais le pilanesberg qui nécessite d'y dormir pour pouvoir en profiter. Les environs n'ont aucun intérêt sauf pour ceux qui s intéressent aux mines...
Je vais regarder sur Dullstroom, il est possible que je fasse la dernière nuit là-bas en effet.
Si je récapitule ça donnerait quelques choses comme:
- Nuit 1 à 8: Le Cap
- Nuit 9 et 10: Pretoria
- Nuit 11: aux abords du Kruger (via le sud)
- Nuit 12 à 18: Kruger
- Nuit 19 et 20: Grasskop
- Nuit 21: Dullstroom
A tout hasard, même si c'est contraire à ce que je voulais faire à la base, le trajet Grasskop-Tambo est faisable dans la journée avec un vol à 19h ? (donc être à Jambo au plus tard à 16h voir même un peu avant)
On peut compter 4 heures de route minimum sans s'arrêter de Graskop à Tambo.
Je compte bien une heure pour les éventuels embouteillages.
Nous voilà à 5 heures sans aléas.
Je compte minimum 3 heures avant le décollage (c'est toujours embouteillé le soir à Tambo).
1/2 heure pour rendre la voiture.
Nous sommes plutôt d'accord et dans la même optique (prévoir assez large, assurer d'être à l'heure etc). Je vais donc opter pour une nuit sur Dullstroom à mon avis.
Johannesburg ne m'intéresse pas forcément. Notamment les visites de townships qui s'apparente plus à des visites de zoo humains ou dans le meilleur des cas à du voyeurisme (c'est mon opinion en tout cas).
Près de la moitié des sud-africains vivent dans des townships ou des campements informels. Réalises-tu ce que signifie de parler de visites de zoos humains? Et que cette expression en dit plus sur toi que sur eux?
Si Pretoria est jolie, en effet, tu n'y seras pas à l'abri qu'un démuni (la ville compte trois des plus importants townships du pays) te braque au couteau pour peu de chose.
Par contre, tu ne devrais pas être importuné lors de ta visite de Cullinan: ils seront au travail au fond des mines et sous haute surveillance.
Et à Hout Bay encore moins.
Tu n'as besoin de monter sur tesgrands chevaux, tu n'as pas saisi ce que je voulais dire par zoo humains.
Quand je parle de zoo humains, je parle des "excursions" organisées dans les townships où tu paies pour aller voir la misère des pauvres gens. C'est aussi pour ça que je parle de voyeurisme.
Ton explication est si peu convaincante que je crains d'avoir trop bien saisi ce que tu voulais dire. Et plutôt que monter sur ton estrade, tu pourrais ouvrir... ce que tu peux.
Nombre "d'excursions" (quel terme!) sont organisées par des entreprises installées sur place et nombre de leurs participants ne sont pas là pour "voir la misère des pauvres gens" (pléonasme: t'enseignes quoi?).
Il n'y a pas que les yeux en voyage, n'est-ce pas?
où tu paies pour aller voir la misère des pauvres gens.
Si c'est payer qui t'embête, tu peux aussi, avec ta voiture de location, te rendre dans un township, en particulier dans une partie de Soweto, et mettre en action d'autres fonctions que la vue. Mais c'est moins facile que Hout Bay, et puis, ton timing minuté pourrait en souffrir.
Si je mets des guillemets à excursions c'est qu'il y a une raison justement. Cela reste une de mes convictions personnelles, mais quand tu paies quelqu'un chargé de te faire visiter un township où les gens sont très pauvres, je ne peux que penser qu'ils s'enrichissent sur leur dos et profite de leur situation. C'est cela que e n'apprécie pas. Avec des personnes profitant de la situation de ces pauvres gens, ils ont tout intérêts à ce que cela reste comme ça et donc à ne pas changer la situation actuelle. C'est parfait pour les touristes et ça leur permet de gagner de l'argent sur la pauvreté.
Après tout, peut-être qu'en France il y a un filon, aller faire visiter les bidonvilles en banlieue parisienne, les camps de migrants le long de la côte, les soit-disant quartiers "chauds" du pays dans les agglomérations de Paris, Lyon, Marseille etc. ? (en espérant que ça n'existe pas déjà après tout).
Bref, pour conclure, je considère cela vraiment comment un business fait sur la pauvreté des personnes habitants ces endroits.
Bien que n'étant pas spécialement attirée par la visite d'un township, je ne pense pas du tout que cette visite puisse être assimilée à celle d'un zoo humain.
Il ne s agit pas de pénétrer chez des personnes contre une piécette, personnes qui assureraient un show (habits traditionnels mis pour l occasion et télé rangée au placard) comme cela existe trop souvent.
Il s agit juste de se promener dans des lieux d'histoire et de découvrir une autre facette de l'Afrique du Sud.
Ces promenades permettent par ailleurs le développement économique de ces zones avec la création par les locaux de services touristiques ( chambres d hôtes restauration excursions).
Un moyen de gagner de l'argent et de voir le bout du tunnel.
Enfin, je trouve que cela permet un mélange social et racial qui ne peut être que bénéfique pour tous.
Il serait certainement souhaitable que ce genre de visites se développe en France pour dégonfler les fantasmes des uns comme des autres.
Bonsoir,
Le voyage est quasiment finalisé à un peu plus d'un mois de notre départ.
Quelques interrogations encore, je compte une nouvelle fois sur vous 😎
- J'ai réservé 2 nuits à Pretoria et j'ai une nuit de libre entre notre départ de Pretoria et l'entrée au Kruger (1ère nuit à Lower Sabie). Etant donné qu'il y a plus de 4h30 entre Pretoria et le Kruger je souhaiterai prendre une nuit assez proche du parc national, notamment pour y faire les courses nécessaires si ce n'est pas encore fait. Quelle ville voir hébergement conseillez-vous ?
- Combien de nuit pour le Blyde River Canyon ? Le meilleur point de départ pour le visiter ? Graskop ?
- Est-il trop tard pour commander la Wild Card ? Nous allons passer 6 nuits au Kruger + Table Mountain au Cap, je suppose qu'elle devient rentable pour un couple ? A vrai dire je n'ai pas encore fait la simulation de calcul.
Première étape avant Kruger
Pourquoi pas Malelane ou Koomatipoort ?
Avec une entrée sud
Ou Hazyview white river Graskop Sabie
Pour une entrée ouest
Graskop ou Sabie pour Blyde
2 jours c’est bien
Achat Wildcard
Vérifier opportunité
Simple A R de l’achat suffit pour enbeneficier
J’ai attendu presque trois mois pour la carte en vrai
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I’m reaching out with a question about which park to choose for a 3-day safari in Kenya.
After 20 days in Uganda, I’m meeting up with my dad for a 3-day safari (that works for him). We’ll be meeting in Nairobi and have a full day to travel to a park (preferably the farthest from Nairobi to avoid crowds?) and spend 4 nights there before heading back to the capital for our flight to France.
I’d love to hear your recommendations since I’ve read so many great tips on this forum.
March or May 2027.
Around 15 days in the Western Cape,
then 15 days in the southern KNP.
Arrival either in PE or George.
The pros know I’m somewhat familiar with the area... that I don’t camp... that my accommodations can be simple and remote, self-catering but with basic comforts... that I’m looking for spots that are a bit off the beaten path... in a relaxed mode...
From George:
Late arrival... need some rest... Herolds Bay from George to the N1.
Tsitsikamma is catching my eye (Storms River)... with or without a stop in Knysna.
Question:
What’s the current condition of the pass from Knysna to Uniondale? R339.
And while I’m at it, the condition of the R340.
Tsitsikamma, Knysna, and my questions still apply if arriving in PE.
Is the Swartberg still closed?
Any recommendations for accommodation in Prince Albert?
If I cross the escarpment, I’ll continue via Anysberg NR, Touwsrivier... any thoughts?
From there... Tankwa Karoo or Mount Cedar (or both).
Then heading back down to the coast... the highlands of Hermanus or Kogelberg NR (any opinions on the latter?).
Or,
A more classic route along the coast...
If I arrive (fairly late) in PE... any ideas for accommodation in that little area?
Given that Nyathi Camp is winking at me...
(For context... a while back, I stayed at Riverbend (same Addo sector, private concession)... and I visited the ruins of that abandoned lodge at the time, which has clearly been renovated since... located in a very quiet part of Addo...).
Any feedback from the pros?
Well, that’s about it...
I’m open to any other tips or advice!
Hi there,
I’m considering camping in Nyungwe Park with my family (2 adults, 2 kids) at Uwinka campsite. Problem: the park rents the tent but without any gear (mattresses, blankets). We don’t have a car. Is it possible to rent or buy mattresses and blankets near the park, please?
Thanks for your help
Hi, I'm looking for information on the road conditions in Moremi. We're leaving in 15 days, and from what I've heard, the roads are pretty tough to drive on. Any advice?
Thanks
I’m planning a potential trip to Namibia for a classic circuit in April 2027.
I’m surprised by how expensive the accommodations inside the parks are—really steep! Is it possible to stay outside the parks but still close enough to enjoy the game drives?
Do you have any recommendations for more reasonably priced lodging? I’m okay with spending 200 to 250 € per night.
No camping—the friend I’m traveling with absolutely refuses 😉, but maybe upgraded tents would work.
Hello,
We’re planning a route from Maun to Kazane and Victoria Falls for May 2027 in a Toyota Hilux 4x4, staying in lodges (no camping). Here’s the rough outline:
- Maun: Arrival likely from Johannesburg, 2 nights
- Khwai: 2 nights
- Return to Maun
- Need to decide on a stop between Maun and Sepopa?
- Sepopa: 2 nights
- Cross into Namibia: Bagani, 2 nights
- Kongola: 2 nights
- Katima Mulilo: 2 nights
- Kasane: 3 or 4 nights
- Victoria Falls: 1 or 2 nights
- Return to France from Kasane or Victoria Falls
What’s the road condition like between Maun and Khwai? The stop names are approximate based on accommodations.
Thanks for any feedback on this plan!
Ailleurs 64
At the end of July, we’re heading to Namibia with a group of five for a three-week road trip and visit to the national parks.
We’ve read conflicting info about buying entry tickets—either online (where?) or at the gate when we arrive?
I’d love to hear your thoughts on the agencies you used to plan your trip to Uganda.
There’s the whole issue of gorilla permits, which need to be booked in advance and involve a significant financial commitment. That’s where I’m at with my trip planning. Between checking lutb.go.ug/ and reading online reviews, it’s hard to move forward with confidence.
I contacted the French Embassy, but they don’t provide any recommendations. I almost booked with an agency that had a really bad review from February specifically about the permit process.
How did you go about choosing your agency? Given the large sum involved, I’m this close to booking through a travel agency in France for this part.
From what I understand, no matter which agency books the permit, you’re ultimately guided by professionals trained for gorilla trekking based on the permit itself? I’m assuming that’s how it works.
Thanks for your feedback, and I’m really happy to see the forum’s new energy—it’s been super helpful to me in the past.
We’re heading to Uganda next summer for three weeks with our two kids, who’ll be 7 and 9 years old.
We’ve been to Southern Africa before but not East Africa, and after a trip to South Africa two years ago, the kids wanted to return to Africa, while we wanted to explore a new region while staying independent... Uganda’s been catching our eye for a while, and with Rwandair offering relatively attractive prices, we’re going for it!
We’ll be traveling in a 4x4 (self-drive) with roof tents. I don’t have any 4x4 driving experience, so it’ll be a first for me, but we’ll manage 😉 No great apes for us—kids need to be 15, and we don’t want to do that experience without them.
I don’t usually ask the forum much for trip planning, but this time, I’d love your thoughts and advice!
First question: Karamoja or not? At first glance, if we want to add it to a "classic" loop in the southwest, it doesn’t seem realistic—too packed, too much driving. We could consider doing the full loop via Kidepo and then heading down to Murchison, but I’m worried the trip might feel less varied and less kid-friendly. That said, the region looks stunning, and I’m struggling to accept not going at all... What do you think?
If we skip Karamoja, we’d do a loop: Murchison/Fort Portal/QENP/Bunyonyi/Mburo, which seems pretty comprehensive and would let us take our time, which is nice. A few random questions:
- How much time should we plan for the Fort Portal area? I was thinking at least 3 days to visit Bigodi Swamp, walk around the craters, and maybe do a community walk (any thoughts on that?).
- Between Murchison Falls and the Fort Portal area, is it worth breaking up the drive? I spotted Lake Albert Safari Lodge on the shores of Lake Albert—it’s not too expensive and looks nice.
- I’d love to do some easy walks/hikes at the foot of the Rwenzori Mountains, ideally without a guide, but it doesn’t seem straightforward. Do you know if it’s possible to do nice walks independently? I’ve read about hikes in the hills near Kilembe but nothing very specific. Maybe staying somewhere at the foot of the mountains, like Ruboni Community Camp, would allow that.
- Lake Mutanda looks really cool, and so does Lake Bunyonyi... Ideally, I’d like to see both, but won’t that feel repetitive? Is Lake Mutanda worth the detour?
Last practical question, since we don’t have experience with this: for the car with kids, would you recommend two tents (a bit more space) or a four-person tent?
I’ll stop here—already a lot of questions...
Thanks in advance for your feedback, and looking forward to exchanging ideas!
Gabriel
We’re planning our second trip to South Africa in July 2026. In 2023, we did a loop from Joburg, Golden Gate, Drakensberg, Hluhluwe, St Lucia, Eswatini, Kruger, Blyde River Canyon, and back to Joburg.
This time, we’d like to go to Cape Town and do a road trip to Port Elizabeth, then fly back to Joburg to return to Kruger. At this stage of my planning, here’s what it could look like:
D1 to D4: Cape Town and Cape of Good Hope (Table Mountain, Lion’s Head, Waterfront, Bo-Kaap, Boulders, Cape Point, Chapman’s Peak Drive). I’ve spotted a few places to stay between Camps Bay and Hout Bay (3 nights).
D5 and D6: Either Karoo NP or Hermanus and De Hoop. Any opinions to tip the scales? I’ll admit I’m already leaning toward Karoo (the "wild" vibe of the landscapes and wildlife encounters appeal to me much more than the seaside, which feels less exotic). If we go for Karoo, where should we stay? Inside the park or in Beaufort West? I’ve seen good reviews for Ko-ka Tsara Bush Camp, but maybe it’s better to stay in the Sanparks cottages to make the most of the park? (2 nights)
Option B is to do Stellenbosch (though vineyards aren’t great in winter) and/or the Whale Route—Betty’s Bay, Hermanus, De Hoop (2 nights near Gansbaai).
D7 and D8: Klein Karoo, Oudtshoorn. Staying at De Cango Guest Farm (2 nights).
D9 and D10: Knysna, Robberg Nature Reserve, Tsitsikamma (2 nights in Plettenberg Bay and 1 night in PE).
D11: Flight from Port Elizabeth to Joburg at 7 AM and drive to Marloth Park.
For Kruger, I’ve booked 2 nights in Marloth Park, 1 night in Skukuza, 2 nights in Satara, and 1 night in Talamati, which we loved. I’ll book the last night in Graskop later since we want to revisit the Blyde Canyon area.
I’d love all the feedback you can give on my itinerary, especially for days 5 and 6.
If you have recommendations for accommodations for 4 people, I’d appreciate those too.
Thanks! 🙂
We’re a family of four (two daughters aged 18 and 21) and we’re planning a three-week trip to Tanzania. Zanzibar would be our main base, but we’d also like to do a safari on the mainland.
Could you share any tips on:
- the ideal length for such a safari, the best place to go during this period (and easily accessible by flight from Zanzibar)
- your recommendations for the most suitable type of stay for a family like ours
- reliable local agencies with reasonable prices that could help us with this plan
Hi everyone, I’m here to get some advice on visiting KRUGER Park.
From what I’ve gathered through my reading, I understand there are two ways to visit the park:
- Independently with your own vehicle
=> Do you drive all day?
- By booking with a professional
=> Safari early in the morning and late in the afternoon. But what do you do in between?
When it comes to accommodations, the options are:
- Booking in one of the park’s camps, where the lodging is basic but functional
- Booking in a private reserve, which is more comfortable but prohibitively expensive
- Booking outside the park, which means entering the park every morning. But if you want to stay for 3 days, that doesn’t seem practical to me.
Do you have any advice for accommodations?
To be honest, I’m really struggling to understand how it all works...
Thanks to everyone for your help.
Bidule 27
Hey everyone!
Heading to Namibia in a few days and I just read that the entry fees for all parks in Namibia have skyrocketed. Increases between 86 and 100%, and this has been in effect since April 1st (no joke). Have any of you heard about this, and if so, do you know if it’s actually being enforced?
For example, the fee for Etosha has gone from 150 NAD to 280 NAD per day per person.
Thanks in advance!
I’m really interested in traveling to South Africa in September 2020. My question is whether I should go on an organized tour or plan my own itinerary. Organized trips are pretty expensive $$$$, but the security aspect reassures me. I’d love to hear your thoughts on safety in South Africa and whether it’s easy to arrange activities like visiting vineyards, Cape Town, and going on a safari on our own. Which is better in terms of cost—booking an organized trip or doing it ourselves? It’s definitely less exciting to follow a group for 10 days. We’re a couple in our 50s who love nature.
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We’re heading out in April 2027 with our 4x4 to explore part of Southern Africa. Right now we’re researching all these beautiful countries and deciding where to ship our vehicle. We’re from Le Havre—has anyone here already shipped from that port to South Africa or East Africa?
As for all these countries, is wild camping allowed, tolerated, easy, or difficult?
We’ve already visited a few, but you can read just about anything online, so getting tips from real independent travelers is way better :)
We’re all ears for any hacks, experiences, or spots you’d recommend.
See you on the road with Doddy
Hi,
I’m starting to plan a great trip for the last three weeks of January 2027 (my first time in South Africa).
After spending a few hours (!) browsing this forum, here’s a rough first draft of my itinerary:
D0 Arrival at JNB
D1, D2 Blyde River Canyon
D3, D4, D5, D6, D7: Kruger
D8, D9, D10: St Lucia and surrounding area
D11, D12, D13, D14: Drakensberg + Lesotho
D15 A very long driving day to the south (hope the AC doesn’t break down!)
D16, D17, D18, D19 southwest coast (so far I’ve noted Oudtshoorn, Robberg Nature Reserve, Wilderness NP, De Hoop Reserve, and a bit of the wine route)
D20, D21 Cape Town (peninsula and a bit of the city) + domestic flight and return flight (departure from JNB at 11 PM)
A few questions before refining this:
- Do you see any major issues with this itinerary?
- We don’t have a choice on dates, and personally, I prefer green landscapes to desert ones anyway, but do you really see far fewer animals in January than in the dry season? Five days in Kruger should give us enough time to spot plenty of different animals despite the tall grass, right? As for the heat, we’re from Réunion, so we’re relatively used to it, even though I know it’s not the same type of heat.
- Can I trust the distances and driving times given by Google Maps?
- Picking up the vehicle in Johannesburg and dropping it off in Cape Town: how much might that cost us? I’m thinking it probably won’t be worse (in terms of time or money, since there are five of us—2 adults + 3 kids) than going back to Joburg after Lesotho, taking a flight to Cape Town, and renting another vehicle... but maybe I’m wrong.
- Finally, wouldn’t it be better to focus on just one of the two regions (either the northeast or Cape Town and the south coast)? If it were up to me, I’d stick to the first part and extend a few stops... but not everyone agrees! And we’re thinking that since it’ll be really hot, a second part of the trip that’s a bit """cooler""" would be welcome.
I imagine many of you have been captivated by the Masai Mara park and/or your safari experience with Tony Crocetta/Melting Pot Safari. Still, I’d like to share my perspective.
First, I’m an avid traveler, especially in love with Africa, which my partner and I have explored a bit (Zambia, South Africa, Botswana, Kenya, Zimbabwe, Namibia...).
That said, I want to express my deep disappointment with both the Masai Mara and Tony Crocetta’s camp, Melting Pot Safari, where we stayed last year.
First, about the park: it’s stunning, no doubt. But what a highly touristy place! I can’t find the words to describe the horror of being among 30 4x4 vehicles lined up in front of a lioness hunt, let alone encircling her right after her kill while her prey is still alive in her jaws... no respect for wildlife. The same goes for surrounding a young leopard playing with its small prey, a moment when I counted over 50 vehicles, most with their engines running... sickening. I turned away, both my gaze and my camera. What a disaster to see this natural wonder of Africa turned into a tourist hotspot.
Yes, I loved this place on Earth, but no, I won’t "promote" it anywhere or to anyone.
Next, I also wanted to share my dissatisfaction with Tony Crocetta’s famous camp, Melting Pot Safari: where to begin? We booked a private vehicle for four with two friends, and I have no complaints about the vehicle itself (though it obviously came at a cost). The windows and the vehicle weren’t very photo-friendly, but let’s move on.
The trip between the sisters’ guesthouse (which was fine) and the camp went smoothly, except we arrived a bit too late. Result: "We’ll leave for the safari an hour later today because the driver has to respect his rest hours." Perfect—with park formalities, we only spent about an hour in the park that evening. The safari got off to a great start...
During our 12-day stay, we saw some amazing things. Tony wasn’t at the camp—I don’t know what the atmosphere is like when he’s there, but it was rather cold during our trip. Sylvie, his wife, barely looked at us, never asking how our day, night, or game drive went (I think she spoke to us once during the stay, plus the day we arrived, of course). We felt invisible... (if I were mean, I’d say the money had already been deposited into Melting Pot’s bank account.)
The evening meals, if I may say so, were a joke: not enough dessert (aside from fruit, but the few elaborate desserts—like 10 for 18 guests) for everyone, barely enough meat or sides. If you were unlucky like us and ended up with a group of 15 people who decided to skip the starter, you’d better hurry to get your main course, or there might not be any left—and no refills... We always ate our fill, but sometimes we had to serve ourselves in advance.
Finally, I want to correct something about the quality of the meals: seriously, this buffet was really mediocre and far from the culinary standards I’d read about in my pre-trip research (see their Facebook page).
Anyway, let’s move past the food—after all, the avocados were sublime, and we’re not there primarily to eat.
About the tent: the river views were beautiful, and the beds were very comfortable. No running water, individual showers outside the tent, and dry toilets—but it’s Africa, so we weren’t shocked. However, I’m disappointed that for this "modest" price, I wasn’t warned there’d be no soap (and no, I don’t travel with my own soap—and for the price, a little bar in the tent wouldn’t be a luxury). But let’s move on—the hippo views were fantastic. Oh, and to preserve the Masai Mara’s water (which makes sense) and for hygiene reasons, underwear isn’t washed by the camp staff—fair enough. But then what’s that little sign next to the bed? Oh right, for a hefty sum, underwear suddenly becomes "washable"...
Finally, my biggest gripe is about the essential part: the game drives. In France, they sell you a dream with a "photo safari" (what’s the difference, really? A room with a few more electrical outlets?). They promise guides especially suited for photography (not a given, sorry) and vehicles that can get close to animals and go off-road... but here’s the catch: the guides are bound by park laws and hounded by rangers looking to fine rule-breakers. Result: as soon as a white ranger vehicle is spotted, we have to abandon our spot for a wild chase through the grass. Fun once... The next day, we learned that another group’s guide got caught and had to pay $100 for breaking the rules—a sum he casually asked the travelers in his vehicle to cover... because of course, Melting Pot lures tourists with dreams, the poor rangers try to get close, all while breaking park laws... and they break those laws for Crocetta’s company, which, of course, won’t dip into its profits to pay the fines. Basically, it’s "keep the clients happy, but don’t get fined—or the fines are on you or you’ll have to ask the clients directly." Nice boss! Anyway, there were long discussions about this last year, especially among the guests in the fined vehicle. My partner and I found these practices unacceptable, and we were deeply disappointed by this attitude.
I know many people adore this park and/or this company—maybe you were luckier... or maybe you’re less demanding than we are when it comes to respecting rules, nature, and clients. But after traveling through much of southern Africa, I can tell you we personally came back frustrated from this experience and aren’t eager to return... You’ve been warned.
Here’s my feedback after a recent trip to Ethiopia, organized with a local guide.
Despite a signed quote, months of prep exchanges (over eight months!), and phone calls right up to departure day, the guide didn’t honor the commitments we’d agreed on.
Haile Haftu FANUAILE, manager of the agency www.charmethiopiantours.com—who we’d organized everything with—didn’t meet us as promised when we arrived in Addis Ababa. Without any warning, he sent a different guide to accompany us for the entire trip (with a flimsy excuse).
Several parts of the signed quote weren’t respected:
– Services included in the quote but not provided on-site (meals, water),
– Hotels we’d chosen, booked, and paid for were swapped for lower-category places,
– Visits were canceled because the timing wasn’t calculated properly,
– One stop on the itinerary was dropped without any reason or explanation.
We’d paid a deposit for domestic flights, with a promise to refund any overpayment. A month after returning, 150 € per person (there were three of us) still hasn’t been refunded.
I’m sharing this to warn fellow travelers about the importance of solid guarantees to ensure contracts are actually honored. Double-check everything before committing!
Wishing everyone safe and smooth travel prep—Ethiopia is an incredible country!
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Hello,
Feedback following a recent trip to Ethiopia, organized with a local guide.
Despite a signed quote, numerous preparatory exchanges over eight months, and phone calls right up until the day of departure, the guide did not fulfill his commitments.
Haile Haftu FANUAILE, manager of the agency www.charmethiopiantours.com with whom we had organized everything, did not meet us as agreed upon our arrival in Addis Ababa; without warning us, he sent another guide in his place to accompany us throughout the trip (with a bogus excuse).
Several points in the signed quote were not honored:
– services included in the quote but not provided on site (meals, water),
– hotels chosen, booked, and paid for, replaced by lower-category establishments,
– visits canceled due to lack of time, which had not been calculated correctly,
– one stop on the itinerary canceled without reason or explanation.
A deposit had been paid for the booking of domestic flights, with a commitment to refund the overpayment.
To date, one month after our return, 150 € per person (there were three of us) has still not been refunded.
This testimony is intended to alert travelers to the importance of solid guarantees for contracts that are actually honored, so that everyone can be extra vigilant before committing.
Good luck with your travel preparations, everyone.
Ethiopia is an extraordinary country!
Hello,
With so many agencies out there, we're feeling a bit lost. Could you please share your experience—like recommending your agency if you were happy with them—and tell us why, and if possible, what budget we should expect? Feel free to send it in a private message :)
We’re just the two of us, and ideally, we’d like to go in a 4x4 alone or with another couple, or in a very small group.
Hi there,
I’ve reached out to a few agencies for a week-long family safari next summer before heading to Zanzibar.
So far, the itinerary looks like this:
Day 1: Late arrival at JRO and overnight in Arusha
Day 2: Drive to Tarangire, park visit, and overnight in Tarangire
Day 3: Tarangire, drive to and overnight in Karatu
Day 4: Ngorongoro and overnight in Ngorongoro
Day 5: Drive to Serengeti and safari in Seronera
Day 6: Serengeti and overnight near Lobo
Day 7: Serengeti and overnight in Seronera
Day 8: Flight from Seronera to Zanzibar
On paper, it covers "everything," but maybe there’s a bit too much time lost on the road... Any alternatives?
To simplify (and cut costs), I was thinking:
Day 1: Late arrival at JRO and overnight in Arusha
Day 2: Arusha National Park with a walking safari and meeting the Maasai (?)
Day 3: Drive to Tarangire, park visit, and overnight in Tarangire
Day 4: Full day in Tarangire
Day 5: Tarangire, drive to and overnight in Karatu
Day 6: Ngorongoro and overnight in Ngorongoro
Day 7: Morning in Manyara or Natron and drive to JRO
Day 8: Flight to Zanzibar
Your thoughts and recommendations are welcome...
Thanks
We have the opportunity to spend about ten days somewhere for Christmas, and I’m really tempted by Zanzibar. I’ve been dreaming for a long time about the Spice Island, Stone Town, diving...
Which hotels could you recommend? Not a big "resort"—we’re more into "boutique hotels" or even an Airbnb house. Somewhere quiet (we’re not party animals).
I’m thinking of staying the first few nights in Stone Town and then moving to a beach, preferably one where we can swim regardless of the tides, without ending up in seaweed and mud at low tide.
I’m a bit lost with all the beaches because apparently, the north is very crowded, the south is very windy, and the east has some good and some not-so-good spots, with big tides or not... HELP! 🤪
I’d like to limit myself to a maximum of 2 different places to stay over the 10 days.
I’m reaching out because I don’t understand how Volcanoes National Park works.
I looked at booking for the gorillas, but there’s just the price listed, and the same goes for the Diane Fossey tomb.
So I contacted a hotel in Kinigi, and they told me that for the gorillas, you need a car to get to the park headquarters, and then once you know your group, you need to get from the headquarters to the trekking start point?? Do you confirm this? Is that really how it works? They say the hotel has a driver and it would cost 100 DOLLARS!!
I just found out that on top of the permit, there are other fees??? Uhh…
Are there other options, knowing I don’t want to rent a 4x4 since I’m traveling alone?
And if I don’t get the gorilla permit but just want to visit the Diane Fossey tomb, is it the same issue? From Kinigi, do you need a 4x4? How far is the tomb from the headquarters? Is it a hike you can do alone OR DO YOU NEED A GUIDE, ON FOOT? By car??
If someone could explain everything to me… and is the DF Foundation different??
If I decide to go through an agency, is it possible in Musanze (which would save me trips) or is it mandatory to go through Kigali?
Thanks so much for your help…
Best regards
I’m in the middle of planning a road trip in Southern Africa, and I’m specifically working on the itinerary—especially the distances.
I’ve got the time, but I’m struggling with the transfer days (so much driving just to end up spending the whole day on the road). That’s why I’m trying to analyze travel times, even if it means adding extra stops.
My highlights in Zimbabwe would be:
- Hwange
- Victoria Falls (and maybe Matusadona)
- Mana Pools
- Harare
- Gonarezhou
- Great Zimbabwe
But the distances and travel times seem huge (over 4 hours each time), and I don’t see how to make the drives more chill or shorten them—even if it means adding stops (but which ones?) between each leg.
Would anyone be able to estimate the travel time between these highlights and maybe suggest some nice stops to take breaks?
I’ve been to Rwanda twice before, in November 1991 and December 1993, mostly for solidarity work.
I’m looking into going back this November or December for three weeks, but I’m a bit hesitant when I see the tourist offerings—it’s so far from how I like to travel...
I travel solo using public transport and stay in places like guesthouses (GH), or accommodations run by cooperatives, associations, or religious groups. I love villages, markets, hikes, and local crafts.
So far, my searches for these kinds of lodging options haven’t turned up much.
For now, I’m considering visiting (in no particular order):
Butare: Kibeho, Bisesero, Nyanza
Ngenda
Akagera, Kibungo, Lake Muazi
Dian Fossey’s tomb (with the possibility of seeing gorillas)
Kibuye??? Is the political situation stable there? Or Cyangugu?
So here are my first questions:
-Is French still widely spoken?
-Are there lists of the types of accommodations I mentioned above, or places to find that info?
-Is what I’m planning doable using public transport? From the towns, are moto-taxis still available to get to villages, sites, and—most importantly—back?
-Is it possible to go hiking solo?
-Which are the best markets and what days are they held?
I know that’s a lot of questions already, and I really appreciate any relevant answers you can share.
Looking forward to exchanging more!
I’m planning my next trip in September, and after two self-drive trips to Botswana last year, I’d love to explore Kruger. Since I’m used to camping, I’m thinking of renting an equipped van from Kitted Africa (a small Suzuki van—thanks Safari Expert!) to sleep in a tent and occasionally in a hut.
Here’s my provisional itinerary, and I’d love to hear your thoughts if you don’t mind.
I’ve got 13 nights to plan in Kruger. The rental company is based in Nelspruit.
Entering from the south:
14-15-16.09: 3 nights at Crocodile Bridge or Lower Sabie
17-18-19.09: 3 nights at Skukuza
20-21.09: 2 nights at Satara
22-23-24.09: 3 nights at Olifants
25-26.09: 2 nights at Tamboti or Talamati
Exiting the park on 27.09 via Orpen Gate, then heading to Blyde River Canyon for a night in a hotel or elsewhere.
28.09: Return to Nelspruit, drop off the van, and stay in a hotel.
29.09 (midday): Airlink flight to Johannesburg, then an evening return flight to GVA.
What do you think? Too many nights here, not enough there?
I’ll be traveling solo, I love driving, and I enjoy settling in the middle of nature to listen, observe, and take photos (Botswana was perfect for that).
Thanks in advance!
Nicole
Photo: Baines Baobab, Botswana, April 2025
I’d like to return to Africa and stay in a lodge where I can see animals—not necessarily the Big Five—without needing any transport once I arrive at the lodge, and at a price under $250 per day for two people with full board. The week-long stay is planned for late June into early July. I’m looking for suggestions. Thanks in advance!
Hi, I’d like to travel to Ethiopia as a solo 60-year-old woman, backpacking style, between December 2025 and January 2026.
I’m wondering about the current state of the country: unrest, safety concerns, etc.
Government websites advise against going, saying it’s too dangerous.
But I’m skeptical—they tend to be overly cautious.
So I’m looking for reliable information, though I’m not sure where to find it.
Thanks in advance!
Hello,
We’re a group of four seventy-something retirees and we’re planning a 4-week trip to South Africa. We’re seasoned "adventurers" used to multi-week stays (we’ve been to India seven times, Mexico, Thailand, Laos, Myanmar, Australia, etc.).
For South Africa, we’re thinking of covering most of the trip in a private vehicle and taking flights for inter-state transfers.
We’re interested in meeting people, learning about the country’s evolution, exploring major cities, visiting traditional villages, and seeing wildlife.
Here’s the itinerary we’re considering:
Johannesburg – 2 days (we’ll pass through again later)
Pretoria – 2 days
Blyde River Canyon and Graskop – 1 day
Acornhoek – 1 day
Letaba – 2 days
Lobamba – 2 days
Johannesburg – 1 day
Flight to Cape Town
Cape Town – 3 days
Cape of Good Hope – 1 day
Stellenbosch – 1 day
Hermanus – 1 day
Mossel Bay – 2 days
Oudtshoorn
Wilderness – 2 days
Knysna
Port Elizabeth – 2 days
Addo Elephant Park
Flight back to Johannesburg
Johannesburg – 1 day
Return to Paris
Could you share your thoughts on this itinerary? We’ll be renting a vehicle to explore both regions.
We can easily add 4–5 more days to the trip if needed.
We’re looking at traveling either between April and May 2026 or in October/November 2026.
I’ll follow up later to discuss the best safari options and get a rough budget estimate.
Thanks to everyone who takes the time to read this and share their thoughts!
