Juste une parenthèse:le forum sur la Birmanie se résume de plus en plus au matérialisme.On a vraiment l'impression de voir débarquer le petit capitaliste qui, pour se donner bonne conscience, distribue l'argent à tout va, que "leur vacance" se résument aux hotels, aux guides, aux taxis(pour faire quelques kilométres).Dans l'un des pays les plus pauvres du monde, il serait plus approprié de partager un repas, quelques mots, quelques instants que de jeter l'argent aux pieds des mendiants par la fenètre des taxis!!En trois ou quatre semaines, vous voulez tout voir mais sans apprendre à connaitre les gens;en fait vous voyagez les yeux bandés.En voyage, quelque soit le pays, il y a un mot d'ordre:NE PAS DONNER D'ARGENT.Ne devenons pas, en Birmanie, "les Marmara" du Maroc qui jettent l'argent par les fenètres des bus.Prenons notre temps et en cherchant bien, nous trouverons un moment de bonheur et de partage dans ce pays sans pour cela dépenser des sommes extravagantes et créer la surenchère.Et si le temps nous manque pour tout voir, nous en ferons plus la prochaine fois.Bon voyage dans la simplicité!!
Je ne suis pas sûre d'être d'accord avec ta "petite parenthèse".........
Tu crois vraiment que ceux qui se rendent dans ce pays, jettent l'argent aux mendiants par la fenêtre, que l'on va là bas en riches capitalistes, sans s'intéresser aux gens ?
Tous ceux qui ont été là bas au moins une fois, sont tombés sous le charme de ce pays, un pays où l'on s'aperçoit vite que la gentillesse des habitants est naturelle, un pays totalement isolé, opprimé, qui en bave mais sait rester digne et nous renvoie la plupart du temps une image de sérénité....
Pourquoi ne pourrait-on pas avoir envie d'aider les habitants d'une façon ou d'une autre, faire des petits cadeaux en échange de services, remercier une famille avec qui on a noué des liens, arrondir de quelques billets une course en cyclo si celui ci vous a trimballé tout l'après midi, etc.
La plupart d'entre nous voyagent en routards, dans des guest house, simplement, en essayant de se mêler à la population, en prenant les bus.
En 3 ou 4 semaines, on est conscients que l'on ne verra que ce que voient la majorité des touristes, 4 ou 5 villes principalement. On aurait tous envie d'en voir plus, de s'imprégner de la culture, de partager des moments avec la population, si furtifs soient-ils...
Les touristes pourrissent souvent un pays, c'est vrai, mais il n'y a pas de morale à faire, de jugements hâtifs à porter..... La générosité existe aussi....
On est loin de ces pays et de ces voyages organisés où l'argent est distribué à la pelle sans discernement...
- J'aimerais raconter une anecdote personnelle :
Après une super journée à Mandalay avec un cyclo adorable qui m'avait trimballée partout sans compter les kms, j'ai eu envie de lui payer un verre à la terrasse d'un glacier, près de ma guest house.
Une mendiante est arrivée avec un bébé dans les bras....
Je n'ai pas l'habitude de donner aux mendiants, par contre mon cyclo qui gagne si difficilement sa vie n'a pas hésité à lui donner un peu d'argent ! Je me suis sentie vraiment minable......😕
personnellement si j'étais pauvre en birmanie et on m'envoie de l'argent par la fenêtre je serais plus que ravi , ,
( es que les riches birmans ne le font pas quant ils marie leur fille ou fils ??
es que tu as assister a une crémation , ( entièrement ..) tu constateras que il est de coutume après la crémation d'envoyer de l'argent a des démunis , ,
NE PAS DONNER D'ARGENT
je dirais le contraire donner votre argent , , c'est mieux que les filer aux personnel qui travaille pour la junte , ,
et qui te dit que ces personnes ne partage pas un repas avec des autochtone?
Une mendiante est arrivée avec un bébé dans les bras....
Je n'ai pas l'habitude de donner aux mendiants, par contre mon cyclo qui gagne si difficilement sa vie n'a pas hésité à lui donner un peu d'argent ! Je me suis sentie vraiment minable......😕
salut ming un pauvre sait ce que c'est un pauvre c'est pour cela que il a donner , , c'est une constatation qui se vois partout dans le monde , , , , ,
« Le voyage apprend la tolérance. »
Benjamin Disraeli
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Comme je le disais dans un autre poste - qui a été effacé par le modérateur en raison de la polémique que cela a engendré - en Birmanie, lorsque je vois des enfants qui mendient parce qu'ils ont faim, je les emmène manger vers les petites échoppes de rue. De l'argent, les Birmans eux-mêmes en donnent aux plus démunis, et je ne vois par pourquoi - nous riches touristes - ne ferions pas de même.
D'autre part, ce n'est pas une question de langue, mais de coeur. J'ai partagé des repas ou du thé dans des Teehouses ou en attendant un ferry qui prenait tout son temps avec des personnes qui ne parlaient que leur langue. Et bien, c'était tout simplement magique.
De l'argent, les Birmans eux-mêmes en donnent aux plus démunis, et je ne vois par pourquoi - nous riches touristes - ne ferions pas de même.
salut il faut le reconnait on ne sait pas ce que c'est la vrai misère du coup on doute sur le don et le donner , , mais un démunis sait très bien la souffrance d'un semblable ..........
surtout en asie , car le fait de mendier est que on a perdu tout honneur , ,
« Le voyage apprend la tolérance. »
Benjamin Disraeli
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Et là, une photo de jeunes novices sur une route en Birmanie qui "mendient" leur nourriture de la journée.. c'est une des facettes de l'enseignement du bouddhisme ...
(du matin car après la messe ( 9h) fini la nourirure solide , , , , , 😕
Plus exactement, ils n'ont pas le droit de manger après 11h.
Ce n'est pas tout à fait comparable à la mendicité en effet....
(Clavdia a ajouté cet exemple je pense, juste pour dire que les birmans avaient l'habitude de donner......)
Pour ce qui est de jeter de l'argent par les fenêtres, (comme disait michou56 pour les touristes), ce qui m'avait étonnée la 1ère fois sur la route de Pindaya, c'est de voir des birmans agiter des coupelles au bord des routes lorsqu'on passait en bus, et voir le chauffeur et les birmans vraiment jeter quelques pièces par la fenêtre....
C'est une pratique courante dans les villages, c'est pour l'entretien des temples....
Je sais bien que les moines ne "mendient" pas, c'est la raison pour laquelle j'ai mis ce mot entre guimets ... mais puisque la mendicité semble poser problème à certain d'entre nous, j'avais envie de montrer cette quête de nourriture dépendante de la générosité des gens du lieu, même s'ils ont tout juste de quoi nourrir leur famille 🤪
Oui, et quelques fois ces personnes prennent de très gros risques, se précipitant presque sous les roues des véhicules qui roulent n'importe comment pour recevoir les quelques billets lancés effectivement par les fenêtres...
Un sujet polémique et difficile de savoir s'il faut donner ou non, quand et à qui.
En 2010, par deux fois des Birmans de lieux différents nous ont prié de ne rien donner aux enfants, d'une manière générale, pas uniquement dans leur ville: "S'il vous plait, n'enseignez pas à nos enfants à devenir des mendiants". Du coup rien aux enfants, mais nous avons donné à une action humanitaire sur place, aux enseignants des campagnes des stylos, etc....
en Birmanie, lorsque je vois des enfants qui mendient parce qu'ils ont faim, je les emmène manger vers les petites échoppes de rue. De l'argent, les Birmans eux-mêmes en donnent aux plus démunis, et je ne vois par pourquoi - nous riches touristes - ne ferions pas de même.
C'est sans doute mieux d'offrir à manger aux enfants que de leur donner de l'argent. Quant à donner aux plus démunis, à voir selon les circonstances, son intuition.... En 2002, j'avais donné à un mendiant de Rangon peut être 10 cents, aussitôt 3 à 4 mendiants me suivirent jusqu'à ma GH ... D'autres histoires similaires en 2010.
Un jour, un ami de sœur Emmanuelle lui rend visite en Egypte. Lors de son arrivé il offre qques pièces aux enfants. Sœur Emmanuelle lui sort furieuse. "Voila des années que j'essaie d'en faire des hommes et toi en une minute tu en fais des mendiants..."... (ou une phrase similaire).
Bonne journée JF
“Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn’t do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbour. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover.” (M. Twain)
^^ Je m'intéresse de près à l'Asie et en particulier à la Birmanie ces dernières années. Ce forum est idéal pour échanger sur les voyages mais je me demandais…
J'ouvre une nouvelle discussion pour faire le point sur les fausses infos venant de voyageurs qui ne semblent jamais avoir dépassé leur magazine Géo. Visa…
Hi everyone,
I’m looking for addresses for guesthouses or, even better, houseboats or rafting houses on the River Kwai, between Kanchanaburi and Sangkhlaburi, to spend a few weeks contemplating this beautiful river.
Thanks for your suggestions!
Premaria
Hi there,
we’re currently in Mai Chau and tomorrow we’re hitting the road back to Hanoi to head up toward Bac Ha and Sapa.
We haven’t really had a set plan since we arrived—we’ve already done the Halong Bay on land and by sea.
I’ve got 2 free days before heading to Bac Ha and Sapa.
Any tips?
Thanks, and looking forward to hearing from you.
Hi fellow travelers,
First trip to Vietnam.
We’ll be arriving in Ho Chi Minh City during Tet.
Is it complicated to find accommodation and get around during this period?
Any tips would be welcome.
Thanks for your replies.
Silly question—backpack or hard-shell suitcase for the Sepilok, Kinabatangan, Tioman, KL trip?
I’m struggling to fit all my son’s and my stuff into the 70L backpack... and I’m thinking a suitcase would be easier, but I’m not sure if it’ll work for getting around.
Hi there,
I didn’t plan to return to Thailand this year, but my health conditions mean it’ll be the best place for me to stay between two trips to India. The tourism setup there is so well-organized that it’s the most "comfortable" country for a short visit. Thailand feels too sanitized for my taste, and there’s too much religion, Buddha, and the King, but it’s still the best option given how my health has been evolving. I’d considered two weeks in ThaTon for hiking, but I got too sick from the burn-offs during my trips to the mountains around Chiang Rai. So I’m not sure where to go this year. Definitely not the sea, touristy spots, or the mountains with burn-offs...
Hello.
In 1996, we crossed Vietnam from Saigon to Hanoi by motorbike—Minsk bikes we bought in Saigon. I haven’t been back since, and it seems like a lot has changed.
- We’re heading to the south (well, the north and center) with the family in July-August (3 people).
- Is the road network more developed now? Back then, there was only National Route 1 from south to north. I’m thinking of renting a car this time (no motorbike with the family—though in ’96, they had a Jawa sidecar for sale, and we hesitated… maybe it’s for the best).
- Is Halong Bay really something to avoid because of overtourism? Even back then, it was pretty crowded. Is there a less touristy alternative?
- We’ll be traveling from Hanoi down to Danang (the only city we didn’t stop in back in ’96). Even though it’s a bit overhyped in a Chinese-tourist kind of way (from what I’ve read), we’re only going for the beach—pure relaxation for 7 days. The beaches are stunning, and I know the South China Sea is warm like coffee.
- Then, we’ll visit Hoi An, where I stopped in ’96. It was already popular with backpackers back then, but no glowing boats or all the touristy fuss!
- After that, Hue, where I have great memories—it’s a beautiful city.
- And also the nature around Ninh Binh, followed by 2-3 days in Hanoi.
That’s the plan. I’d love to hear any tips to avoid mass tourism, and if anyone’s done this before:
- Is it possible to rent a car in Danang and drop it off in Hanoi?
Hey everyone,
I’m over in East Borneo in mid-July.
I’m struggling to wrap up the end of my itinerary, even though it’s pretty straightforward (long but simple).
Last year, we did Malaysia (KL and the mainland + around Kuching).
Day 1 – Arrive in Kota Kinabalu early, stroll around town and hit the must-sees.
Day 2 – Excursion to Tunku Abdul Rahman Park, snorkeling at 3 islands.
Day 3 – Hike around Mount Kinabalu without summiting (450 per person, no way).
Day 4 – Poring Hot Springs + evening flight to Sandakan.
Day 5-6-7 – Kinabatangan River (still looking for the right guide).
Day 8 – Sepilok for the orangutans, the Sun Bear Centre, and Rainforest Discovery Centre.
Day 9 – Selingan, turtle island.
Day 10 – Head to Semporna.
Day 11-12-13-14 – Sipadan, Mabul, Kapalai.
Day 15 – Bohey Dulang.
Day 16 to Day 25: I’M STUCK.
I looked into Danum Valley, but for 3 days/2 nights, they’re quoting 650 € per person—come on, that’s ridiculous.
I checked out a detour into Indonesia (still East Borneo), but I’m having trouble deciding what would be amazing.
I read about Sangalaki + Kakaban (2 islands, 1 base) / Mahakam Delta - Kutai (orangutans and river) / Sungai Boh (Dayak Kayan) – jungle & culture.
But honestly, I’m struggling to finalize this itinerary.
If we venture that way, we’d head back to KK from Balikpapan.
For a 4-month stay in Egypt, I had ENORMOUS problems. The regulations are very bureaucratic and extremely nitpicky there. For a 4-month stay in the Philippines, I was wondering if the procedures are just as complicated? I’m bringing my cell phone with an eSIM. Should I choose a plan from Canada for use in the Philippines, or should I get a plan only once I arrive? After 30 days, do I renew with the Canadian provider I chose before leaving, or do I switch to a local company? Do I need to register my phone with the authorities in the Philippines? (That was the case in Egypt.) For the 3rd and 4th months, will it be just as simple—renewing with a Canadian or local provider—or should I expect problems?
Hello,
I’ll be in Malaysia with my wife, mainly in Langkawi and Penang for Christmas and New Year’s at the end of 2026.
If you’ve had the experience—and since I’ve read (though it’s not very clear) that these two islands get quite crowded during this period—would you recommend booking accommodation well in advance, or is it easy to find something on the spot?
Hotels or Airbnb?
Do you have any great tips for accommodation or any practical info to share?
We’ll be staying 5 to 7 days on each island.
Thanks in advance for your replies
Hi there. To make the most of Lake Toba, is it better to find accommodation on the lake’s shores (which one?) or on Samosir Island? Thanks for your tips!
Hi there,
We’re heading to Vietnam as a family on July 8th for a little over 3 weeks (north and center). We’ve only booked the first 3 nights in Hanoi, and nothing else after that. We like to decide things on the spot and go with the flow, without rushing everywhere. But I’m still a bit unsure: when heading down to the center (Hue), is it better to book the overnight trains in advance? We don’t want to take any flights while we’re there—just use the overnight train for the long trips. But I’m worried we won’t get seats if we buy the tickets on the spot, say, 2 days before. What do the experts here think? And which website can we use to book the tickets? Thanks in advance for your tips!
Hi everyone!
I’m heading back to Thailand in July 2026 with a stopover in Cambodia to visit the Angkor site.
After Angkor, I’ve booked a stay on Ko Chang island. Does anyone know if there are direct transport options from Cambodia to Ko Chang without having to go back through Bangkok? That would be amazing!!
I think there are, but I’d need more details!!
I went to Thailand in February 2025 and don’t remember having to apply for a visa—is that still the case now? And for Cambodia too?
Thanks so much!!!
Laurence from Bayonne
I’d love to get some feedback on our itinerary—it’s probably pretty basic! This is our second trip to Asia and our first to Indonesia. We have three kids aged 20, 18, and 12. We land in Jakarta at 4 PM, spend 3 nights/2 days there, then take the train to Yogyakarta for 3 nights/2 days, followed by the train to Surabaya for 2 nights/1 day, then the train to Bromo for 1 day/1 night, a private driver to Ijen for 2 nights/2 days, then on to Bali (Ubud) for 4 nights/3 days, followed by Gili Air for 3 nights/2 days, Senggigi (Lombok) for 2 nights, and finally 5 nights in Kuta. I’m considering cutting the 2 nights in Senggigi to just keep Kuta and extend it to 7 nights. In Lombok, I’m not sure how to get around since I’m not comfortable with scooters... Your thoughts on all of this, and any advice, are more than welcome—don’t hesitate!
For those wondering why cities like Jakarta and Surabaya: we don’t often get the chance to visit big Asian cities, so we wanted to include that discovery in our trip. The trains between Jakarta and Yogyakarta, Surabaya and Probolinggo are booked. The return flight from Lombok to Jakarta is also set. Accommodations are booked but flexible (same for the trains).
Hi,
After our trip to China, we want to spend a week in the Philippines for some beach time and snorkeling.
We're looking for the best spot to settle in—nice beaches, great marine life, and short transfer times.
Thanks for your suggestions!
Does anyone know of a private transfer or taxi company that organizes transfers from the Sukhothai area to Chiang Mai?
Our routes are Sukhothai-Lampang, Lampang-Chom Thong, and Chom Thong-Chiang Mai.
My searches on Google Maps, 12Go, and others haven’t turned up much...
For our Bangkok-Sukhothai trips, I use a company I’ve already tried, but they don’t have a fleet available from Sukhothai and have to go through third-party companies—which, understandably, take their commission. This nearly doubles the prices...
There are four of us, and we’re not traveling light, so a minibus isn’t an option. ;-)
Hello,
While traveling in Thailand, I’m looking for a Buddhist kumlai reed bracelet.
Does anyone know where I can find one?
In Bangkok, I visited a few temples but didn’t see any in the nearby shops.
If you have any ideas, I’d love to hear them! Have a great day! :-)
My trip’s coming up, and I’m having a bit of trouble with three bus/minivan routes. Usually, I find everything at this time of year, but this time—yikes!
Sandakan → Sepilok:
No app for this one—you just hop on bus #14 at the local terminal (pay cash on board). But where do I catch it, and where’s the stop??
Sandakan → Semporna:
From what I’ve heard, it’s the Sida Express company (great name, right? 😄).
Can’t book online, but apparently, you *have* to because there’s only one bus at 8 AM.
Where do I board, and where does it drop me off?
Semporna → Tawau:
Found this via AI—is it legit?
No online booking, as far as I can tell.
Minivans leave from a stop in the Jalan Hospital area, near the Milimewa supermarket, supposedly????
And when you arrive, does it drop you at **Sabindo Square** in Tawau?????
Hi there,
we’ll be in Mai Chau in June and we’re thinking of heading to Sapa, but first spending a few days in Bac Ha to do some hiking and explore the area.
Is this a good idea for those who’ve been there?
How do you get there?
Thanks for your feedback.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Cédric.
Hi everyone. As I’m planning my trip for next winter, I’m looking for hotel suggestions in Camotes, Bantayan, Malapascua, Bohol, and Siquijor. The ones I had in mind seem to be fully booked (unless it’s too early?). For those familiar with the area, is it easy to find accommodations on the spot in January/February? I’m specifically looking for hotels with a pool, beachfront, air conditioning, and easy scooter rental nearby. Thanks for your tips!
Hi there,
I’m planning an itinerary and would love some feedback on whether it’s doable and if the number of days per destination is enough—or too much. I was also debating whether to add an extra night on an island or spend an extra night in Kampot to visit Kep or Battambang.
March 23: Arrival in Phnom Penh in the morning
March 24: Phnom Penh
March 25: Phnom Penh
March 26: Depart for Kampot
March 27: Kampot
March 28: Depart for Battambang
March 29: Battambang
March 30: Tonlé SAP to Siem Reap
March 31: Siem Reap
April 1: Siem Reap
April 2: Siem Reap
April 3: Siem Reap
April 4: Siem Reap
April 5: Departure
Hi there,
Yesterday in the Thailand section, 100% of the new threads were just about beach destinations 😕...
So here’s the counterattack in the form of this photo thread, dedicated solely to the countryside: the locals, their livestock, fields, farms, rice paddies, small rivers, and agricultural machinery. If you’ve got any pictures that fit these categories, feel free to add them!
Comments welcome.
For each photo, I’ll (or you can) indicate the area where it was taken.
Hope you're all doing well! It's been a while since I last traveled, but I'm finally heading out again soon!
For those familiar with SOUTHEAST ASIA, I'm planning to leave in mid-June (with the trip ending at the latest in November), and I don’t have a precise idea of exact places or itineraries yet. The thing is, this period is usually the rainy season...
Any advice? I was thinking of Malaysia or Indonesia, like Sulawesi, for example (all countries and islands in Southeast Asia interest me except Bali).
Any recommendations? I’m doing my research online, but if anyone here has the time and knowledge, I’d love to hear from you.
My partner and I are planning a trip to Indonesia in September-October 2026. It’ll be our first time in Asia, and we’re thinking of hitting the classic spots in East Java and Bali, then wrapping up with a cruise around Komodo for some snorkeling/diving. Here’s a rough draft of our itinerary—I’m wondering if it’s doable.
20/09: Flight from Jakarta to Yogyakarta, arrive around noon, afternoon/evening and overnight in Yogyakarta.
21/09: Borobudur
22/09: Prambanan
23/09: Travel to Bromo (Cemoro Lawang)
24/09: Bromo
25/09: Kawa Ijen
26/09: Travel to Bali, overnight in Pemuteran
27/09: Excursion to Pulau Melujan, overnight in Pemuteran
28/09: Travel to Munduk, overnight in Munduk
29/09: Explore Munduk and surroundings, overnight in Munduk
30/09: Explore Munduk and surroundings, overnight in Munduk
01/10: Route to Ubud (via Pura Ulu Danau Bratan, Jatiluwih?), overnight in Ubud
02/10: Explore Ubud and surroundings, overnight in Ubud
03/10: Explore Ubud and surroundings, overnight in Ubud
04/10: Travel to Denpasar, flight to Labuan Bajo, overnight in Labuan Bajo
05/10: Komodo cruise
06/10: Komodo cruise
07/10: Komodo cruise, flight to Denpasar in the late afternoon/evening or overnight in Labuan Bajo.
08/10: Flight to Denpasar (if not taken the day before), afternoon in Jimbaran, overnight near Denpasar
09/10: 10:00 AM flight Denpasar - SIN, overnight in Singapore
10/10: Flight SIN-YQB
Hi everyone,
My girlfriend and I booked our tickets with Saudia Airlines for a trip to Thailand this summer, from July 5th to August 3rd. Given the geopolitical situation in the Middle East, we’re keeping a close eye on the news.
I was wondering if anyone here is in the same situation as us?
• Have you heard anything about possible mass cancellations or if the airline is still maintaining its routes to Asia?
• Are there any travelers who’ve recently returned who could tell us if air corridors have been changed (longer flight times)?
The idea is to know what to expect so we can prepare as best as possible. Thanks for your replies! !
Thanks for all your contributions on the forum—they’ve really helped me plan my trip. There are four of us friends heading to Sulawesi for 20 days. Based on all your advice, I’ve put together the following itinerary:
July 30: Makassar – sightseeing
July 31: Makassar – sightseeing + overnight bus to Rantepao
August 1–7: Tana Toraja with a guide
August 7: Tana Toraja to Tentena + visit Tentena
August 8: Early departure with a private driver to Ampana, then ferry to the Togian Islands
August 9–15: Togian Islands (2 different resorts)
August 15: Depart Togian Islands for Luwuk
August 16: Flight Luwuk to Makassar
August 17: Rammang Rammang
August 18: Stroll in Makassar, then return home
Overall, what do you think?
I also have a question about the connection between Tentena and the Togian Islands: Is it doable to leave early in the morning as planned and still be sure not to miss the ferry?
Hi everyone,
I’m currently working on a 30-day itinerary for May/June 2027.
10 days in eastern Java (Malang, Bromo, waterfalls, Meru Beriti Park, Banyuwangi, and Ijen), a short transit in Ubud for a few days, then Flores before heading back to Jakarta.
We’ll spend 15 days in Flores (the classic route: Moni, Bajawa, Riung, Ruteng, ending in Labuan Bajo).
I’d love some firsthand feedback on flights to Maumere or Ende from Bali Denpasar. I know there are no direct routes and that you have to connect through Labuan Bajo or Timor (I think), which isn’t an issue in itself.
But I’ve read here and there that flights to these destinations can be delayed—or worse, canceled—and that it’s better to fly in and out of Labuan Bajo, which isn’t exactly ideal...
Thanks for any tips or experiences you can share!
