Bonjour
Existe t il un site internet permettant de réserver une chambre d hotel à samui, tao ou phangan en last minute et a tarif discount ?
Avez vous eu de bonnes expériences en la matière ?
Merci
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Hôtels à tarif négocié? (Thaïlande)
by Sylying
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
slt va sur asia room .fr tu a les tarifs les moins cher du net mais a cette epoque les prix se negocie tres facilement et ds tt les hotels de thailande bon voyage
Tu t'es déjà posé la question, et tu as eu ta réponse
http://voyageforum.com/voyage/thailande_quel_site_internet_pour_reserver_un_hotel_D1549810/
http://voyageforum.com/voyage/thailande_quel_site_internet_pour_reserver_un_hotel_D1549810/
Enzo,
les agences locales ont toujours des prix "agences " donc tres inférieurs aux prix affichés sur le site propre de l'hotel ! et souvent inférieures aux prix pratiqués par asiarooms et autres centrales citées - qui ne sont que des agences locales ( asiarooms est a ma connaissance basé en thailande ) Et ensuite c'est une question de volume plus elles vendent plus elles peuvent négocier a la baisse ses prix :
D'autre part plus les hotels sont "respectables" plus ils ont une stratégie de marketing de vendre a une clientele particulière ; par ex certains hotels de classe affichent des tarifs prohibitfs pour faire croire que ce sont des hotels de tres grande classe et en sous- main revendent aux tours operateurs japonais des "packages" honeymoon a moitié du prix affiché du coup le client voit qu'il a obtenu un week-end dans un palace a 500 USD la nuit ( alors qu'il la paie 450 et que l'agence la paie 250 ! ) simple question de positionnement marketing
heureusement que les agences ont des prix inférieurs aux prix "public" des hotels car sinon je ne vois pas comment elles arriveraient a vendre des chambres
les agences locales ont toujours des prix "agences " donc tres inférieurs aux prix affichés sur le site propre de l'hotel ! et souvent inférieures aux prix pratiqués par asiarooms et autres centrales citées - qui ne sont que des agences locales ( asiarooms est a ma connaissance basé en thailande ) Et ensuite c'est une question de volume plus elles vendent plus elles peuvent négocier a la baisse ses prix :
D'autre part plus les hotels sont "respectables" plus ils ont une stratégie de marketing de vendre a une clientele particulière ; par ex certains hotels de classe affichent des tarifs prohibitfs pour faire croire que ce sont des hotels de tres grande classe et en sous- main revendent aux tours operateurs japonais des "packages" honeymoon a moitié du prix affiché du coup le client voit qu'il a obtenu un week-end dans un palace a 500 USD la nuit ( alors qu'il la paie 450 et que l'agence la paie 250 ! ) simple question de positionnement marketing
heureusement que les agences ont des prix inférieurs aux prix "public" des hotels car sinon je ne vois pas comment elles arriveraient a vendre des chambres
merci de m'apprendre mon boulot 
les tarifs contractes, les agences n'ont pas le droit de les publier en ligne
ici on parle des sites internet pas des agences de voyages physiques...
c'est bien qu'on t'ait explique ca chez asiarooms en 5 minutes, mais ce n'est pas aussi simpliste donc bon....
les tarifs contractes, les agences n'ont pas le droit de les publier en ligne
ici on parle des sites internet pas des agences de voyages physiques...
c'est bien qu'on t'ait explique ca chez asiarooms en 5 minutes, mais ce n'est pas aussi simpliste donc bon....
les agences locales ont toujours des prix "agences " donc tres inférieurs aux prix affichés sur le site propre de l'hotel !
Salut Lukmee,
mon expérience est diamétralement opposée! Jamais aucune agence locale en Thaïlande n'a été à même de m'offrir un tarif plus avantageux qu'un site comme ratestogo.com ou le site propre de l'hôtel. Je parle d'hôtel de bonne catégorie. Le dernier exemple en date, le Chateau de Bkk de la chaîne Accor. J'ai loué une suite sur leur site 3 jours à l'avance et elle m'a coûté moins de la moitié de l'offre proposée par 3 différentes agences locales.
Salut Lukmee,
mon expérience est diamétralement opposée! Jamais aucune agence locale en Thaïlande n'a été à même de m'offrir un tarif plus avantageux qu'un site comme ratestogo.com ou le site propre de l'hôtel. Je parle d'hôtel de bonne catégorie. Le dernier exemple en date, le Chateau de Bkk de la chaîne Accor. J'ai loué une suite sur leur site 3 jours à l'avance et elle m'a coûté moins de la moitié de l'offre proposée par 3 différentes agences locales.
"There is no way to happiness, happiness is the way" Buddha
"Le vrai voyageur n'a pas de plan établi et n'a pas l'intention d'arriver" Lao Tseu
en effet similan
les hotels (je parle des chaines) et non des petits boubouis qui se pretendent hotels
ont toutes une regle de parite tarifaire, cela signifie qu'un client ne doit pas trouver un tarif moins cher que celui de l'hotel
j'imagine qu'on a explique a lukmee la moitie des choses
les hotels offrent un tarif negocie aux agences au dessus duquel les agences ajoutent une marge et l'ensemble peut etre egal mais pas plus bas que le tarif hotel
donc dans le meilleur des cas, les sites comme expedia, ratesgo, asiarooms, etc font jeu egal avec les accorhotels.com, hilton.com...
dans le cas d'asiarooms, l'explication vient du fait qu'ils n'ont pas signe de contrats avec les hotels, c'est un agent dans chaque pays qui viole son contrat en fournissant ses propres tarifs et que asiarooms repercute sur son site
la centaine d'hotels concernes (de 2 chaines differentes) pourraient toutes faire un proces a asiarooms (certains soucieux de la forte production du site pour leur hotel ne le font pas)
les hotels (je parle des chaines) et non des petits boubouis qui se pretendent hotels
ont toutes une regle de parite tarifaire, cela signifie qu'un client ne doit pas trouver un tarif moins cher que celui de l'hotel
j'imagine qu'on a explique a lukmee la moitie des choses
les hotels offrent un tarif negocie aux agences au dessus duquel les agences ajoutent une marge et l'ensemble peut etre egal mais pas plus bas que le tarif hotel
donc dans le meilleur des cas, les sites comme expedia, ratesgo, asiarooms, etc font jeu egal avec les accorhotels.com, hilton.com...
dans le cas d'asiarooms, l'explication vient du fait qu'ils n'ont pas signe de contrats avec les hotels, c'est un agent dans chaque pays qui viole son contrat en fournissant ses propres tarifs et que asiarooms repercute sur son site
la centaine d'hotels concernes (de 2 chaines differentes) pourraient toutes faire un proces a asiarooms (certains soucieux de la forte production du site pour leur hotel ne le font pas)
les hotels offrent un tarif negocie aux agences au dessus duquel les agences ajoutent une marge et l'ensemble peut etre egal mais pas plus bas que le tarif hotel
Compte tenu que les hôtels ont eux-mêmes, pour leurs ventes directes au client final, des tarifs différents pour une même chambre à la même période, je dirai plutôt que le tarif proposé par une agence de voyage ne peut pas être plus bas que le plus bas des tarifs proposés par l'hôtel. Parce qu'il faut bien reconnaître qu'il est extrêmement fréquent d'obtenir par une agence un prix plus bas que le plein tarif normal de l'hôtel.
Compte tenu que les hôtels ont eux-mêmes, pour leurs ventes directes au client final, des tarifs différents pour une même chambre à la même période, je dirai plutôt que le tarif proposé par une agence de voyage ne peut pas être plus bas que le plus bas des tarifs proposés par l'hôtel. Parce qu'il faut bien reconnaître qu'il est extrêmement fréquent d'obtenir par une agence un prix plus bas que le plein tarif normal de l'hôtel.
"There is no way to happiness, happiness is the way" Buddha
"Le vrai voyageur n'a pas de plan établi et n'a pas l'intention d'arriver" Lao Tseu
Enzo, puisque tu es un professionnel (c'est ce que tu signales sur ce forum dans ton post d'aout 2007 ) et probablement d'une des 2 chaines que tu cites dans ton post, tu sais parfaitement comment les choses fonctionnent !
on ne m'a pas "" expliqué la moitié des choses"" - je sais lire mes contrats
les contrats qu'ont les agences locales avec les hotels sont TOUJOURS inférieurs a ce que les hotels proposent en direct - sinon je ne vois pas quel interet aurait une agence a avoir de contrat . et quand je dis inférieur c'est de 10 à 50 %, sans compter les avantages annexes ( chambres pour les guides, tarifs de groupes, promotions speciales basse saison .. les séjours 7 nuits payées 5, . )
bien au contraire les ""je cite: petits boubouis qui se pretendent hotels " ont des tarifs si bas qu'ils ne peuvent se permettre en plus de faire de réduction aux agences ; ils fonctionnent alors plutot par commission données au chauffeur de tuktuk qui rabattent les clients par ex
quand tu parles de violation de contrat : c'est effectivement que les agences s'engagent souvent par contrat a ne pas publier sur leurs sites internet de prix de vente de chambre (en vente de chambre seulement) a un tarif inférieur a celui publié par l'hotel - mais le contrat précise aussi " sauf si c'est dans le cadre d'une offre globale de services"
c'est bien ce que font toutes les agences qui proposent des voyages ( avec avion et services )
Pour gagner sa vie l'agence obtient des tarifs hotels bien moins chers que ceux publiés + des services de guides et et de transports moins chers que ce vous pourriez trouver par vous meme, les restaurant font des ristournes importantes, les tarifs des activités idem ..
quant aux grosses centrales qui proposent uniquement des chambres, je ne sait pas si elles ont des contrats - mais en Thailande c'est vrai que tout ets possible, bien que je sache a par expérience pour certaines qu'elles passent alors par l'intermédaire des plus gros de la place ; mais comme tu le signales justement quel intéret aurait Accor a faire un proces à Asiarooms ou à Diethelm qui au final vend ses chambres et fait de la pub à Accor ?
Amicalement
on ne m'a pas "" expliqué la moitié des choses"" - je sais lire mes contrats
les contrats qu'ont les agences locales avec les hotels sont TOUJOURS inférieurs a ce que les hotels proposent en direct - sinon je ne vois pas quel interet aurait une agence a avoir de contrat . et quand je dis inférieur c'est de 10 à 50 %, sans compter les avantages annexes ( chambres pour les guides, tarifs de groupes, promotions speciales basse saison .. les séjours 7 nuits payées 5, . )
bien au contraire les ""je cite: petits boubouis qui se pretendent hotels " ont des tarifs si bas qu'ils ne peuvent se permettre en plus de faire de réduction aux agences ; ils fonctionnent alors plutot par commission données au chauffeur de tuktuk qui rabattent les clients par ex
quand tu parles de violation de contrat : c'est effectivement que les agences s'engagent souvent par contrat a ne pas publier sur leurs sites internet de prix de vente de chambre (en vente de chambre seulement) a un tarif inférieur a celui publié par l'hotel - mais le contrat précise aussi " sauf si c'est dans le cadre d'une offre globale de services"
c'est bien ce que font toutes les agences qui proposent des voyages ( avec avion et services )
Pour gagner sa vie l'agence obtient des tarifs hotels bien moins chers que ceux publiés + des services de guides et et de transports moins chers que ce vous pourriez trouver par vous meme, les restaurant font des ristournes importantes, les tarifs des activités idem ..
quant aux grosses centrales qui proposent uniquement des chambres, je ne sait pas si elles ont des contrats - mais en Thailande c'est vrai que tout ets possible, bien que je sache a par expérience pour certaines qu'elles passent alors par l'intermédaire des plus gros de la place ; mais comme tu le signales justement quel intéret aurait Accor a faire un proces à Asiarooms ou à Diethelm qui au final vend ses chambres et fait de la pub à Accor ?
Amicalement
Hello,
Quel est ton budget je peux te dire ou trouver a Lamai si tu veux.
A bientot
Quel est ton budget je peux te dire ou trouver a Lamai si tu veux.
A bientot
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If you have any ideas, I’d love to hear them! Have a great day! :-)
Hi there
My trip’s coming up, and I’m having a bit of trouble with three bus/minivan routes. Usually, I find everything at this time of year, but this time—yikes!
Sandakan → Sepilok: No app for this one—you just hop on bus #14 at the local terminal (pay cash on board). But where do I catch it, and where’s the stop??
Sandakan → Semporna: From what I’ve heard, it’s the Sida Express company (great name, right? 😄). Can’t book online, but apparently, you *have* to because there’s only one bus at 8 AM. Where do I board, and where does it drop me off?
Semporna → Tawau: Found this via AI—is it legit? No online booking, as far as I can tell. Minivans leave from a stop in the Jalan Hospital area, near the Milimewa supermarket, supposedly???? And when you arrive, does it drop you at **Sabindo Square** in Tawau?????
Thanks for any tips—I’m stuck!
My trip’s coming up, and I’m having a bit of trouble with three bus/minivan routes. Usually, I find everything at this time of year, but this time—yikes!
Sandakan → Sepilok: No app for this one—you just hop on bus #14 at the local terminal (pay cash on board). But where do I catch it, and where’s the stop??
Sandakan → Semporna: From what I’ve heard, it’s the Sida Express company (great name, right? 😄). Can’t book online, but apparently, you *have* to because there’s only one bus at 8 AM. Where do I board, and where does it drop me off?
Semporna → Tawau: Found this via AI—is it legit? No online booking, as far as I can tell. Minivans leave from a stop in the Jalan Hospital area, near the Milimewa supermarket, supposedly???? And when you arrive, does it drop you at **Sabindo Square** in Tawau?????
Thanks for any tips—I’m stuck!
Hi there,
we’ll be in Mai Chau in June and we’re thinking of heading to Sapa, but first spending a few days in Bac Ha to do some hiking and explore the area.
Is this a good idea for those who’ve been there?
How do you get there?
Thanks for your feedback.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Cédric.
Hi everyone. As I’m planning my trip for next winter, I’m looking for hotel suggestions in Camotes, Bantayan, Malapascua, Bohol, and Siquijor. The ones I had in mind seem to be fully booked (unless it’s too early?). For those familiar with the area, is it easy to find accommodations on the spot in January/February? I’m specifically looking for hotels with a pool, beachfront, air conditioning, and easy scooter rental nearby. Thanks for your tips!
Hi there,
I’m planning an itinerary and would love some feedback on whether it’s doable and if the number of days per destination is enough—or too much. I was also debating whether to add an extra night on an island or spend an extra night in Kampot to visit Kep or Battambang.
March 23: Arrival in Phnom Penh in the morning March 24: Phnom Penh March 25: Phnom Penh March 26: Depart for Kampot March 27: Kampot March 28: Depart for Battambang March 29: Battambang March 30: Tonlé SAP to Siem Reap March 31: Siem Reap April 1: Siem Reap April 2: Siem Reap April 3: Siem Reap April 4: Siem Reap April 5: Departure
Thanks for any suggestions or help!
March 23: Arrival in Phnom Penh in the morning March 24: Phnom Penh March 25: Phnom Penh March 26: Depart for Kampot March 27: Kampot March 28: Depart for Battambang March 29: Battambang March 30: Tonlé SAP to Siem Reap March 31: Siem Reap April 1: Siem Reap April 2: Siem Reap April 3: Siem Reap April 4: Siem Reap April 5: Departure
Thanks for any suggestions or help!
Hi there,
Yesterday in the Thailand section, 100% of the new threads were just about beach destinations 😕...
So here’s the counterattack in the form of this photo thread, dedicated solely to the countryside: the locals, their livestock, fields, farms, rice paddies, small rivers, and agricultural machinery. If you’ve got any pictures that fit these categories, feel free to add them!
Comments welcome.
For each photo, I’ll (or you can) indicate the area where it was taken.
Kanchanaburi:
Kanchanaburi:
Sri Chiangmai:
Soppong:
Tha Wang Pha:
Kanchanaburi:
Kanchanaburi:
Sri Chiangmai:
Soppong:
Tha Wang Pha:
🙂 Hi everyone!
Hope you're all doing well! It's been a while since I last traveled, but I'm finally heading out again soon!
For those familiar with SOUTHEAST ASIA, I'm planning to leave in mid-June (with the trip ending at the latest in November), and I don’t have a precise idea of exact places or itineraries yet. The thing is, this period is usually the rainy season...
Any advice? I was thinking of Malaysia or Indonesia, like Sulawesi, for example (all countries and islands in Southeast Asia interest me except Bali).
Any recommendations? I’m doing my research online, but if anyone here has the time and knowledge, I’d love to hear from you.
Thanks everyone, take care and stay happy! ❤️
Hope you're all doing well! It's been a while since I last traveled, but I'm finally heading out again soon!
For those familiar with SOUTHEAST ASIA, I'm planning to leave in mid-June (with the trip ending at the latest in November), and I don’t have a precise idea of exact places or itineraries yet. The thing is, this period is usually the rainy season...
Any advice? I was thinking of Malaysia or Indonesia, like Sulawesi, for example (all countries and islands in Southeast Asia interest me except Bali).
Any recommendations? I’m doing my research online, but if anyone here has the time and knowledge, I’d love to hear from you.
Thanks everyone, take care and stay happy! ❤️
Hi there,
My partner and I are planning a trip to Indonesia in September-October 2026. It’ll be our first time in Asia, and we’re thinking of hitting the classic spots in East Java and Bali, then wrapping up with a cruise around Komodo for some snorkeling/diving. Here’s a rough draft of our itinerary—I’m wondering if it’s doable.
20/09: Flight from Jakarta to Yogyakarta, arrive around noon, afternoon/evening and overnight in Yogyakarta. 21/09: Borobudur 22/09: Prambanan 23/09: Travel to Bromo (Cemoro Lawang) 24/09: Bromo 25/09: Kawa Ijen 26/09: Travel to Bali, overnight in Pemuteran 27/09: Excursion to Pulau Melujan, overnight in Pemuteran 28/09: Travel to Munduk, overnight in Munduk 29/09: Explore Munduk and surroundings, overnight in Munduk 30/09: Explore Munduk and surroundings, overnight in Munduk 01/10: Route to Ubud (via Pura Ulu Danau Bratan, Jatiluwih?), overnight in Ubud 02/10: Explore Ubud and surroundings, overnight in Ubud 03/10: Explore Ubud and surroundings, overnight in Ubud 04/10: Travel to Denpasar, flight to Labuan Bajo, overnight in Labuan Bajo 05/10: Komodo cruise 06/10: Komodo cruise 07/10: Komodo cruise, flight to Denpasar in the late afternoon/evening or overnight in Labuan Bajo. 08/10: Flight to Denpasar (if not taken the day before), afternoon in Jimbaran, overnight near Denpasar 09/10: 10:00 AM flight Denpasar - SIN, overnight in Singapore 10/10: Flight SIN-YQB
Thanks for your thoughts—and for your time!
My partner and I are planning a trip to Indonesia in September-October 2026. It’ll be our first time in Asia, and we’re thinking of hitting the classic spots in East Java and Bali, then wrapping up with a cruise around Komodo for some snorkeling/diving. Here’s a rough draft of our itinerary—I’m wondering if it’s doable.
20/09: Flight from Jakarta to Yogyakarta, arrive around noon, afternoon/evening and overnight in Yogyakarta. 21/09: Borobudur 22/09: Prambanan 23/09: Travel to Bromo (Cemoro Lawang) 24/09: Bromo 25/09: Kawa Ijen 26/09: Travel to Bali, overnight in Pemuteran 27/09: Excursion to Pulau Melujan, overnight in Pemuteran 28/09: Travel to Munduk, overnight in Munduk 29/09: Explore Munduk and surroundings, overnight in Munduk 30/09: Explore Munduk and surroundings, overnight in Munduk 01/10: Route to Ubud (via Pura Ulu Danau Bratan, Jatiluwih?), overnight in Ubud 02/10: Explore Ubud and surroundings, overnight in Ubud 03/10: Explore Ubud and surroundings, overnight in Ubud 04/10: Travel to Denpasar, flight to Labuan Bajo, overnight in Labuan Bajo 05/10: Komodo cruise 06/10: Komodo cruise 07/10: Komodo cruise, flight to Denpasar in the late afternoon/evening or overnight in Labuan Bajo. 08/10: Flight to Denpasar (if not taken the day before), afternoon in Jimbaran, overnight near Denpasar 09/10: 10:00 AM flight Denpasar - SIN, overnight in Singapore 10/10: Flight SIN-YQB
Thanks for your thoughts—and for your time!
Hi everyone,
My girlfriend and I booked our tickets with Saudia Airlines for a trip to Thailand this summer, from July 5th to August 3rd. Given the geopolitical situation in the Middle East, we’re keeping a close eye on the news.
I was wondering if anyone here is in the same situation as us?
• Have you heard anything about possible mass cancellations or if the airline is still maintaining its routes to Asia?
• Are there any travelers who’ve recently returned who could tell us if air corridors have been changed (longer flight times)?
The idea is to know what to expect so we can prepare as best as possible. Thanks for your replies! !
Hi everyone,
Thanks for all your contributions on the forum—they’ve really helped me plan my trip. There are four of us friends heading to Sulawesi for 20 days. Based on all your advice, I’ve put together the following itinerary:
July 30: Makassar – sightseeing July 31: Makassar – sightseeing + overnight bus to Rantepao August 1–7: Tana Toraja with a guide August 7: Tana Toraja to Tentena + visit Tentena August 8: Early departure with a private driver to Ampana, then ferry to the Togian Islands August 9–15: Togian Islands (2 different resorts) August 15: Depart Togian Islands for Luwuk August 16: Flight Luwuk to Makassar August 17: Rammang Rammang August 18: Stroll in Makassar, then return home
Overall, what do you think?
I also have a question about the connection between Tentena and the Togian Islands: Is it doable to leave early in the morning as planned and still be sure not to miss the ferry?
Thanks in advance for your feedback! :)
Thanks for all your contributions on the forum—they’ve really helped me plan my trip. There are four of us friends heading to Sulawesi for 20 days. Based on all your advice, I’ve put together the following itinerary:
July 30: Makassar – sightseeing July 31: Makassar – sightseeing + overnight bus to Rantepao August 1–7: Tana Toraja with a guide August 7: Tana Toraja to Tentena + visit Tentena August 8: Early departure with a private driver to Ampana, then ferry to the Togian Islands August 9–15: Togian Islands (2 different resorts) August 15: Depart Togian Islands for Luwuk August 16: Flight Luwuk to Makassar August 17: Rammang Rammang August 18: Stroll in Makassar, then return home
Overall, what do you think?
I also have a question about the connection between Tentena and the Togian Islands: Is it doable to leave early in the morning as planned and still be sure not to miss the ferry?
Thanks in advance for your feedback! :)
Hi everyone,
I’m currently working on a 30-day itinerary for May/June 2027.
10 days in eastern Java (Malang, Bromo, waterfalls, Meru Beriti Park, Banyuwangi, and Ijen), a short transit in Ubud for a few days, then Flores before heading back to Jakarta.
We’ll spend 15 days in Flores (the classic route: Moni, Bajawa, Riung, Ruteng, ending in Labuan Bajo).
I’d love some firsthand feedback on flights to Maumere or Ende from Bali Denpasar. I know there are no direct routes and that you have to connect through Labuan Bajo or Timor (I think), which isn’t an issue in itself.
But I’ve read here and there that flights to these destinations can be delayed—or worse, canceled—and that it’s better to fly in and out of Labuan Bajo, which isn’t exactly ideal...
Thanks for any tips or experiences you can share!