Trek au Zanskar au départ de Padum: possibilité se trouver une stucture minimale?
by Huguetter
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
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Bonjour , j' aurai aimé savoir si a PADUM je peux trouver Guide , horse , horseman et cuisinier afin de faire la traversée Padum- Lamayuru . En effet j' essaye de trouver tout ce staf au depart de LEH mais c' est vraiment la galere : soit les prix montent , montent jusqu' a 65 euros /jour /pers /base 3 pers avec le tres cité PHUNCHOK ( soit la modeste somme de 3000 euros pour 15 jours ) soit d' autres donnent un prix plus correct , on echange des mails , tout va bien les trajets en jeep a l' aller et retour sont compris ;cela parait parfait mais lorsque l' on insiste pour avoir toute la liste des prestations incluses :changement de programme .On vous rajoute 250 euros pour le trajet LEH/PADUM .Ils sont a mourir de rire ces LADAKHIS 😏
... par expérience, je sais qu'il est beaucoup plus facile de trouver sur place qu'à distance ... et que l'apparence de sérieux dans les contacts pris à distance se transforme rarement en réalité une fois qu'on est sur place
... les prix qu'on t'annonce sont des prix gonflés et avant négociation, et tes interlocuteurs ne prendront au sérieux ta demande que si tu leur verses un acompte ou si tu es sur place !
... à leur décharge, ils en ont peut-être un peu marre aussi de ces touristes qui demandent des prix ou même s'inscrivent sans tenir leurs engagements, et ils profitent de la haute saison!
... le mieux est de se pointer sur place à Leh ou Lamayuru et trouver toi-même ton staff (le muletier suffit, voire le cuisisinier si vraiment tu n'as pas envie de t'occuper de la bouffe et si le muletier ne s'en charge pas moyennant supplément ... en revanche, je ne vois pas l'utilité du guide !)
... depuis quelques années, le nombre d'"agences" ou prétendues telles s'est développé à Leh de façon exponentielle ... très peu sont professionnelles !
... les prix qu'on t'annonce sont des prix gonflés et avant négociation, et tes interlocuteurs ne prendront au sérieux ta demande que si tu leur verses un acompte ou si tu es sur place !
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... le mieux est de se pointer sur place à Leh ou Lamayuru et trouver toi-même ton staff (le muletier suffit, voire le cuisisinier si vraiment tu n'as pas envie de t'occuper de la bouffe et si le muletier ne s'en charge pas moyennant supplément ... en revanche, je ne vois pas l'utilité du guide !)
... depuis quelques années, le nombre d'"agences" ou prétendues telles s'est développé à Leh de façon exponentielle ... très peu sont professionnelles !
Bonjour Huguetter,
Si vous n'êtes pas plus de quatre, et si tu fais ce trek avant fin août, ne te casses pas la tête. Va à Padum en bus (pour 500 Rs). Ce n'est pas toujours facile. Depuis Leh, il n'y a que deux bus directs (en 2 jours) par semaine. Sinon si tu ne peux pas attendre, tu fais Leh-Kargil (bus tous les jours) puis Kargil-Padum (bus tous les deux jours, ou peut-être taxi collectif s'ils acceptent les touristes cette année). A Padum, il y a l'agence Zanskar-trek dans la rue principale, un peu chère à mon goût. Si vous avez vos tentes et vos duvets, demandez des horsemen au restaurant, à l'épicerie, partout, tout le monde se connaît, et on t'indiquera quelqu'un. En dernier recours, si tous les chevaux sont partis sur des treks, ils sortiront les ânes. Les Zanskaris et les Ladakhis trouvent que les ânes ne vont pas assez vite, mais ils sont les seuls à s'en plaindre ! A Pishu, les habitants font l'élevage de chevaux pour les treks. On peut maintenant y aller en voiture. C'est le début du trek, alors tu peux y aller avec tout ton matériel et trouver des ânes sur place. Avec les chevaux, je suppose qu'ils préfèrent attendre à Lamayuru ou à Darcha. Pour la nourriture, il y a un restaurant à chaque étape : cabane ou parachute-tente. Dans les endroits très isolés, ce restaurant ferme fin-août. En juillet-août, le guide et les cuisiniers sont inutiles. Autrement, si vous êtes dix, le gardien-cuisinier de la tente-restaurant risque d'être débordé. Et, trouver à l'improviste 6 ou 7 chevaux libres sera plus difficile, ou au moins plus long. L'agence sera nécessaire pour organiser le tout.
Si vous n'êtes pas plus de quatre, et si tu fais ce trek avant fin août, ne te casses pas la tête. Va à Padum en bus (pour 500 Rs). Ce n'est pas toujours facile. Depuis Leh, il n'y a que deux bus directs (en 2 jours) par semaine. Sinon si tu ne peux pas attendre, tu fais Leh-Kargil (bus tous les jours) puis Kargil-Padum (bus tous les deux jours, ou peut-être taxi collectif s'ils acceptent les touristes cette année). A Padum, il y a l'agence Zanskar-trek dans la rue principale, un peu chère à mon goût. Si vous avez vos tentes et vos duvets, demandez des horsemen au restaurant, à l'épicerie, partout, tout le monde se connaît, et on t'indiquera quelqu'un. En dernier recours, si tous les chevaux sont partis sur des treks, ils sortiront les ânes. Les Zanskaris et les Ladakhis trouvent que les ânes ne vont pas assez vite, mais ils sont les seuls à s'en plaindre ! A Pishu, les habitants font l'élevage de chevaux pour les treks. On peut maintenant y aller en voiture. C'est le début du trek, alors tu peux y aller avec tout ton matériel et trouver des ânes sur place. Avec les chevaux, je suppose qu'ils préfèrent attendre à Lamayuru ou à Darcha. Pour la nourriture, il y a un restaurant à chaque étape : cabane ou parachute-tente. Dans les endroits très isolés, ce restaurant ferme fin-août. En juillet-août, le guide et les cuisiniers sont inutiles. Autrement, si vous êtes dix, le gardien-cuisinier de la tente-restaurant risque d'être débordé. Et, trouver à l'improviste 6 ou 7 chevaux libres sera plus difficile, ou au moins plus long. L'agence sera nécessaire pour organiser le tout.
Bonjour
Suite à un accord avec une agence connu de Manali pour faire la grande traversée du Zanskar cet été 2010; nous avons versé le 1/3 du prix comme acompte au mois d'avril; avec un contrat clair de prestation au départ de Delhi. Aujourd'hui alors que nous sommes à 8 jours du départ , cette agence nous demande 18% de plus pour cause de baisse de l'euro par rapport au dollars. Quelqu'un peut il me conseiller pour la suite à tenir ? cela représente une somme importante . Merci d'avance
Suite à un accord avec une agence connu de Manali pour faire la grande traversée du Zanskar cet été 2010; nous avons versé le 1/3 du prix comme acompte au mois d'avril; avec un contrat clair de prestation au départ de Delhi. Aujourd'hui alors que nous sommes à 8 jours du départ , cette agence nous demande 18% de plus pour cause de baisse de l'euro par rapport au dollars. Quelqu'un peut il me conseiller pour la suite à tenir ? cela représente une somme importante . Merci d'avance
pb
si tu n es pas partie, c est que tu n as pas traité sur place, donc attends d etre a leh pour faire les agences, toujours beaucoup plus cher par internet où les prix sont standards...aichatou
Je viens mêler de ce qui ne me regarde pas, mais :
Est-ce que le prix avait été fixé en euros ou en dollars ?
Si c'est en euro, il n'y a aucune raison de changer quoi que ce soit.
Sur ce graphique : http://fr.finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=EURINR=X&t=3m&l=on&z=m&q=l&c=
on voit que le change entre l'euro et la roupie est remonté au même niveau qu'en avril.
En attendant encore un peu, il peut même devenir meilleur, et tu pourras faire baisser le prix. (il est toujours permis de rêver, c'est la réalité de demain)
Si c'est en dollar, la courbe n'est pas favorable. Il faudra discuter.
Si c'est en dollar, la courbe n'est pas favorable. Il faudra discuter.
le prix a bien été fixé en euro , et j'ai aussi regardé la parité euro- roupie indienne qui est même plus favorable pour l'agence aujourd'hui. entre temps l'agence à monté ces tarifs; plusieurs semaine aprés nos accords. quelle pourrait être la solution pour régler ce litige
Merci d'avance
pb
Il y a peut-être une solution, mais je ne la connais pas.
Le dialogue.
Lui montrer les courbes de change euro-roupie et lui dire qu'il y gagne par rapport au mois d'avril.
Dire que vous étiez d'accord pour un montant, mais que ça ne vous intéresse plus si c'est trop cher.
Lui dire qu'il ne peut pas changer son prix en cours de route, sinon vous pouvez vous aussi le changer à la baisse.
Vous avez versé un acompte, il vous tient en otage. Autrefois la règle était de payer la moitié au départ et l'autre moitié à l'arrivée. Maintenant, ils se sont habitués à ce que les touristes occidentaux paient tout avant le départ.
Peut-être quelqu'un d'autre aura une idée.
Vous avez versé un acompte, il vous tient en otage. Autrefois la règle était de payer la moitié au départ et l'autre moitié à l'arrivée. Maintenant, ils se sont habitués à ce que les touristes occidentaux paient tout avant le départ.
Peut-être quelqu'un d'autre aura une idée.
... moi j'attendrais d'être sur place à Manali pour discuter, en me faisant aider si possible ...
... en n'hésitant pas si besoin à menacer d'utiliser les grands moyens !
... mais devant ce genre d'attitude, je me demande si je n'irais pas jusqu'à exiger le remboursement de l'acompte et organiser mon voyage sur place auprès d'une des nombreuses autres agences de Manali !
... car même si elle laisse tomber l'augmentation de 18 %, elle risque de vouloir se refaire d'une autre façon sur la qualité des prestations ou le nombre de mules, le nombre de jours à vide des muletiers, les pseudo-suppléments ou le montant des taxes de camping ...
... d'un autre côté, tu nous dis toi-même que tu n'es "pas tout net", alors ... 🤪😇
P.S. : quel est le nom de cette agence ?
... mais devant ce genre d'attitude, je me demande si je n'irais pas jusqu'à exiger le remboursement de l'acompte et organiser mon voyage sur place auprès d'une des nombreuses autres agences de Manali !
... car même si elle laisse tomber l'augmentation de 18 %, elle risque de vouloir se refaire d'une autre façon sur la qualité des prestations ou le nombre de mules, le nombre de jours à vide des muletiers, les pseudo-suppléments ou le montant des taxes de camping ...
... d'un autre côté, tu nous dis toi-même que tu n'es "pas tout net", alors ... 🤪😇
P.S. : quel est le nom de cette agence ?
Il semble d'accord pour ajuster le tarif, fixé au départ en Euro, par rapport à une valeur de roupie de: 65 roupie pour 1 €; ce qui était peut être le cas au moment de la parution de leur catalogue. c'est déjà mieux . mais à la lecture du réglement il n'y a aucune allusion à une modification de tarif après contrat.
Pour le nom de l'agence , c'est une des 2 importantes de Manali ( voir Routard); et je vous donnerais des nouvelles à mon retour sur le sérieux et la satisfaction de cette agence avec cette fois son nom. Nous sommes un peu en éclaireur pour un groupe plus important été 2011
pb
salut huguetter !
je suis confrontee a la meme problematique que toi a quelques semaines d'intervalle. Comment cela s'est-il passe pour toi ? Tu es parvenu a trouver horseman et poney/donkey a padum ?
pour ma part le sac est trop lourd pour me passer de portage aussi je pense le faire sans guide/cuisinier et tout le tralala mais avec uniquement le horseman
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je suis confrontee a la meme problematique que toi a quelques semaines d'intervalle. Comment cela s'est-il passe pour toi ? Tu es parvenu a trouver horseman et poney/donkey a padum ?
pour ma part le sac est trop lourd pour me passer de portage aussi je pense le faire sans guide/cuisinier et tout le tralala mais avec uniquement le horseman
a+
A Pishu c' est le depart des chevaux tu devrais pouvoir trouver facilement .Essaye de voir avec lotussonam@yahoo.com il a une petite agence (prix tres correct ) a LEH et est originaire de Pishu , son pere et autres cousins font office d " arrieros" au depart du village . Bon voyage , ce trek est magique 😉
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I’m planning to go hiking on this island and would like to know the best time to do it. I visited for a few days in November 2018—not for hiking but just to explore—and the weather wasn’t great, especially in the mountains. So, is a star-shaped itinerary doable if I rent a car and maybe use two different accommodations?
I’m not planning to join an organized group—just traveling with one other person and organizing things ourselves—unless you’d recommend a local agency or guide. Finally, even though I’ll be getting maps, a topo guide, and a GPS, I’d really appreciate your top hiking recommendations. Thanks so much for your tips!
I’m not planning to join an organized group—just traveling with one other person and organizing things ourselves—unless you’d recommend a local agency or guide. Finally, even though I’ll be getting maps, a topo guide, and a GPS, I’d really appreciate your top hiking recommendations. Thanks so much for your tips!
Hi there,
I’m planning to do the Mercantour crossing following the Randoxygène route in mid-July. I’m used to hiking in the mountains, but I sometimes get vertigo, for example on ridges with drops on both sides. I wanted to check if there are any T4 or T3-T4 sections and find out if there are any very exposed passages—and if so, where—so I can plan an alternative route. Can anyone give me some info on this? Thanks!
I’m planning to do the Mercantour crossing following the Randoxygène route in mid-July. I’m used to hiking in the mountains, but I sometimes get vertigo, for example on ridges with drops on both sides. I wanted to check if there are any T4 or T3-T4 sections and find out if there are any very exposed passages—and if so, where—so I can plan an alternative route. Can anyone give me some info on this? Thanks!
hi there,
I’m planning a trip around Cap Corse and the AGRIATES in 2026, from May 8th to 15th (there are still 2 spots left, by the way! Just DM me if you're interested).
I’d love to know which hikes are worth prioritizing in the AGRIATES. We’ll be staying in SALECCIA for two days as our base—what should we focus on from there? A round trip to IGNHU beach? Any other suggestions? For Ostricano, I think it’s too far for a round trip... Thanks for your tips! Have a great day, Anie, Toulouse
I’m planning a trip around Cap Corse and the AGRIATES in 2026, from May 8th to 15th (there are still 2 spots left, by the way! Just DM me if you're interested).
I’d love to know which hikes are worth prioritizing in the AGRIATES. We’ll be staying in SALECCIA for two days as our base—what should we focus on from there? A round trip to IGNHU beach? Any other suggestions? For Ostricano, I think it’s too far for a round trip... Thanks for your tips! Have a great day, Anie, Toulouse
Hi,
I’d like some advice on doing the Camino de Santiago—or part of it—from the Basque Country.
Best,
Hi there,
I’d like to get some info about the GR10 Pyrenees traverse. I need help planning the daily stages and accommodations—my wife isn’t an experienced hiker but walks a lot, so I’d like to schedule shorter walking days and thus a longer overall trip in terms of number of days.
Could anyone give me some help and advice? Best regards,
I’d like to get some info about the GR10 Pyrenees traverse. I need help planning the daily stages and accommodations—my wife isn’t an experienced hiker but walks a lot, so I’d like to schedule shorter walking days and thus a longer overall trip in terms of number of days.
Could anyone give me some help and advice? Best regards,
Hi there, I’m planning the Annapurna Circuit for March 2027 and I’m looking for a local agency with a local guide—preferably French-speaking—to arrange this trek for us. Any suggestions? Thanks
Hello!
We’re spending a few days in Toraja country at the end of May. We’d love to do a day trek—taking our time—on a route that’s stunning in terms of scenery, but not a level 5 in difficulty!
Any suggestions you can share, please?
Thanks in advance
Hi everyone,
I’d like to do the Mare a Mare Sud in May over 4 days. I’ve found quite a few places to stay along the route, but I’m stuck on the start and finish. I’ll be arriving by plane on Sunday evening and would like to start pretty early on Monday morning. Ideally, accommodation right at the trailhead (Alzu di Gallina) would be amazing, but I can’t find anything. Any tips? Also, for the transfer from Figari Airport to Porto Vecchio or Alzu di Gallina? At the end, I’d like to pick up a rental car—any advice on that too?
Thanks in advance!
Caro
I’d like to do the Mare a Mare Sud in May over 4 days. I’ve found quite a few places to stay along the route, but I’m stuck on the start and finish. I’ll be arriving by plane on Sunday evening and would like to start pretty early on Monday morning. Ideally, accommodation right at the trailhead (Alzu di Gallina) would be amazing, but I can’t find anything. Any tips? Also, for the transfer from Figari Airport to Porto Vecchio or Alzu di Gallina? At the end, I’d like to pick up a rental car—any advice on that too?
Thanks in advance!
Caro
I’m traveling solo by plane to Catania in May and plan to hike the northern side of Etna, starting from Linguaglossa where I’ll arrive by bus. After that, I’d love some info on how to get up to Piano Provenzana (shuttles or hitchhiking), since it seems there’s no public transport except in the summer. Can you sleep there in a free or cheap refuge, or camp? And how far up can you go without having to hire a guide? Thanks in advance. Bernard.
Hi everyone,
I’m heading to Morocco in August and we’ll start with a stop in Chefchaouen (we’re driving).
My question: can anyone suggest a 5-to-7-day loop hiking route from Chefchaouen in Talassemtane Park, ideally passing by the God’s Bridge? Or a paper guidebook that covers a few options?
We prefer wild camping and guesthouses.
Thanks in advance
Hi there, for those who’ve been recently—is it possible to find other solo travelers in March on the island to share transport or room costs? It doesn’t seem easy to travel on a budget.
If you have any recommendations for simple lodgings or places with dorms, I’d love to hear them.
For those who’ve done multi-day treks while moving around: do you need to bring your own sleeping bag? I’d love to hear about itineraries you’ve done without a guide, just with a map and GPS.
Thanks, and have a great day!
Hi everyone!
We’re planning a 15-day road trip to Scotland this summer, specifically to explore and hike on Lewis and Harris—places we’ve never been before. We’ve visited other islands on previous road trips in Scotland (we usually go in April for a week). This would be our first time in Scotland in the summer and for 15 days. We’re looking at late August to early September.
I’m currently drafting the itinerary. We’d be crossing from Ullapool and were thinking of spending 3 nights on Harris and 4 nights on Lewis.
Does that sound balanced to you? Is it better to keep the same accommodation on Harris and the same on Lewis to explore the area? I’d love to hear about any past experiences you’ve had on these islands. Thanks!
I’m currently drafting the itinerary. We’d be crossing from Ullapool and were thinking of spending 3 nights on Harris and 4 nights on Lewis.
Does that sound balanced to you? Is it better to keep the same accommodation on Harris and the same on Lewis to explore the area? I’d love to hear about any past experiences you’ve had on these islands. Thanks!
Hi there, I’m trying to leave for 15 days very soon to São Vicente. I’m either looking to join an agency or figure things out on my own to go hiking on one of these islands or both. From what I’ve seen, it’s not easy to organize with local transport, so it gets expensive. Can I use the services of a small local agency? I’m looking for the simplest way to hike for several days. Also, how do you get from São Vicente to São Nicolau? Thanks in advance and have a great day!
Aichatou
Hi there,
I’ve been wanting to do this for several years, and this year’s the one. Next September, I’ll be trekking in Tusheti (Georgia), from Omalo to Shatili. Of course, I won’t be renting a vehicle that’d just sit unused. No problem getting to Pshaveli, but from there to Omalo, it’s a dirt road (still the case?) There must be some form of public transport since there are so many guesthouses, and not all travelers come in a 4x4. If any of you have been to Omalo, could you confirm that these shared transports exist and how often they run?
I’ve been wanting to do this for several years, and this year’s the one. Next September, I’ll be trekking in Tusheti (Georgia), from Omalo to Shatili. Of course, I won’t be renting a vehicle that’d just sit unused. No problem getting to Pshaveli, but from there to Omalo, it’s a dirt road (still the case?) There must be some form of public transport since there are so many guesthouses, and not all travelers come in a 4x4. If any of you have been to Omalo, could you confirm that these shared transports exist and how often they run?





