Itinéraire 3 semaines en Afrique du Sud
by Gabelo31
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
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Bonjour à tous,
Mon mari et moi désirons partir 3 semaines en octobre 2017 en Afrique du sud
Après avoir lu les carnets de voyage sur le site, voilà l'itinéraire que je privilégierais sachant que nous aimons prendre notre temps (nous sommes retraités donc plus tout jeunes mais encore très vaillants et désireux de découvrir de nouveaux espaces et faire de belles rencontres) .
- Joburg et ses environs pour le contexte historique (le berceau de l'humanité, le musée de l'apartheid, Soweto, le mémorial Pieterson, la maison de Gandhi et celle de Mandéla (peut-être d'autres sites si vous en connaissez?)- 2 ou 3 jours
- Blyde River. 2 jours
- Krugger. 4 jours
- Le Swaziland 2 ou 3 jours
- Hluhluwe- Umfolozi 2 ou 3 jours
- Santa Lucia 2 jours
- Underberg( Sani Pass) 2 jours
- Royal Natal Park?2 jours
- Joburg
Voilà, qu'en pensez-vous?
Nous aurions aussi aimé faire le KTP mais dans ce cas, l'itinéraire serait changé pour se consacrer uniquement à:
Joburg
Kruger
KTP et le Kalahari
et là, j'ai besoin d'aide pour établir les différentes étapes.
Merci pour toutes vos lumières et à très bientôt
gabelo31
Votre parcours est classique, logique bref bien foutu.
C'est avec plaisir que je lis quelqu'un qui veut faire le Cradle of Humankind... Ne vous attendez pas non plus à trop extraordinaire...On est dans l'approfondissement de la société sud-af... (quelques mots dans un de mes carnets)
De même pour la maison de Mandela (celle de Joburg...) ou celle de Ghandi...Peut-être même moins.
Perso j'aurais fait un tour dans Pretoria...plus historique et plus jolie (le Vortrekkers monument en passant, la place Krüger et la maison de la présidence sur les hauteurs).
Pour le reste impec...si vous voulez en savoir plus...
Joburg Kruger et KTP...regardez d'abord s'il reste encore des logements libres au KTP... C'est un tout autre voyage. Déjà, au KTP faut y aller et en revenir ! Entre Joburg et KTP, il n'y a pas beaucoup de choes mais beaucoup de Km...et le Kalahari est vaste vaste et pas très encourageant sur cette ligne droite... Pensez y et on en reparle si vous voulez ?
C'est avec plaisir que je lis quelqu'un qui veut faire le Cradle of Humankind... Ne vous attendez pas non plus à trop extraordinaire...On est dans l'approfondissement de la société sud-af... (quelques mots dans un de mes carnets)
De même pour la maison de Mandela (celle de Joburg...) ou celle de Ghandi...Peut-être même moins.
Perso j'aurais fait un tour dans Pretoria...plus historique et plus jolie (le Vortrekkers monument en passant, la place Krüger et la maison de la présidence sur les hauteurs).
Pour le reste impec...si vous voulez en savoir plus...
Joburg Kruger et KTP...regardez d'abord s'il reste encore des logements libres au KTP... C'est un tout autre voyage. Déjà, au KTP faut y aller et en revenir ! Entre Joburg et KTP, il n'y a pas beaucoup de choes mais beaucoup de Km...et le Kalahari est vaste vaste et pas très encourageant sur cette ligne droite... Pensez y et on en reparle si vous voulez ?
michel85200
Merci pour votre réponse rapide.
Je rajouterai donc Prétoria. Une journée berceau de l'humanité , c'est peut-être trop?
Au vu de la distance, est-il préférable de prendre un vol Joburg-Kruger puis louer un véhicule de Kruger( on ira à Blyde River après le Kruger) à Durban et puis un vol Durban-Joburg avant de repartir pour la France?
Au niveau de la météo, octobre est-il bien choisi?
On laisse le Kalahari pour une autre fois!!
Merci pour vos conseils
A très bientôt
gabelo31
Pour Cradle, une matinée est largement suffisante (à mon avis).
Ben non...Vous louez votre voiture à Joburg, vous la rendez à Joburg (puisque vous allez au Royal Natal NP...vous remontez après à Joburg).
Vous allez dans le Krüger directement après le vol ? Très matinal le vol, je suppose ?
Octobre...très bien. Le seul risque est un peu de pluie...
Ben non...Vous louez votre voiture à Joburg, vous la rendez à Joburg (puisque vous allez au Royal Natal NP...vous remontez après à Joburg).
Vous allez dans le Krüger directement après le vol ? Très matinal le vol, je suppose ?
Octobre...très bien. Le seul risque est un peu de pluie...
michel85200
Nous pensons rester 2 à 3 jours à Joburg en arrivant puis le Kruger.
Le Kruger et l'Umfolozi font-ils double emploi?
Quel mois préconisez-vous de préférence? Nous sommes retraités donc pas d'obligation ...
Pour vous, les vols intérieurs ne sont pas nécessaires; les distances ne sont-elles pas trop grandes et les routes sont-elles bonnes?
gabelo31
Il faut partir tôt le matin de Joburg pour arriver dans les temps au Krüger.
Krüger et Hluhluwe / Umfolozi ne font pas doublon. Cela dépend de ce que vous faites au Swaziland.
Vous êtes National Park ou une expérience en réserve privée vous tente ? (exemple sur votre route, Hlane et Mkhaya, Tembe).
Il faut éviter les vacances sud-af (29 sept au 9 oct en 2017) donc octobre doit être ok. Un mix entre température plus agréables et risque de pluie.
Juillet et août fait froid mais sec et beau. Novembre et Décembre, commence à faire vraiment chaud.
Pas de vols intérieurs dans votre circuit. Les routes sont bonnes. Attention, il faut être prudent pour deux. Votre plus grande étape St Lucia Royal Natal ! Par la route des batailles, a priori. (vous passeriez juste à côté de la tombe de Napoléon III.)
Un coup d'oeil dans mes différents carnets ? Pour les routes et comme votre parcours je l'ai fait...plusieurs fois.
Les spots. Le Krüger. Une pause Swazi. Les baleines à St Lucia. Le beau Drakensberg. Mais..tout est chouette !
Krüger et Hluhluwe / Umfolozi ne font pas doublon. Cela dépend de ce que vous faites au Swaziland.
Vous êtes National Park ou une expérience en réserve privée vous tente ? (exemple sur votre route, Hlane et Mkhaya, Tembe).
Il faut éviter les vacances sud-af (29 sept au 9 oct en 2017) donc octobre doit être ok. Un mix entre température plus agréables et risque de pluie.
Juillet et août fait froid mais sec et beau. Novembre et Décembre, commence à faire vraiment chaud.
Pas de vols intérieurs dans votre circuit. Les routes sont bonnes. Attention, il faut être prudent pour deux. Votre plus grande étape St Lucia Royal Natal ! Par la route des batailles, a priori. (vous passeriez juste à côté de la tombe de Napoléon III.)
Un coup d'oeil dans mes différents carnets ? Pour les routes et comme votre parcours je l'ai fait...plusieurs fois.
Les spots. Le Krüger. Une pause Swazi. Les baleines à St Lucia. Le beau Drakensberg. Mais..tout est chouette !
michel85200
Bonjour Ghislaine,
je pense que vous devriez faire Joburg et Prétoria en deux jours seulement, c'est bien suffisant et comme çà vous pouvez consacrer un peu plus de temps au Kruger ou à votre transit. Pour le reste, Michel (que je salue amicalement🙂) pourra vous donner bien plus d'informations intéressantes que moi. Bonne recherches.
je pense que vous devriez faire Joburg et Prétoria en deux jours seulement, c'est bien suffisant et comme çà vous pouvez consacrer un peu plus de temps au Kruger ou à votre transit. Pour le reste, Michel (que je salue amicalement🙂) pourra vous donner bien plus d'informations intéressantes que moi. Bonne recherches.
Bonjour et surtout meilleurs voeux !
Pour le reste, Michel (que je salue amicalement🙂) pourra vous donner bien plus d'informations intéressantes que moi.
Ca c'est pas sûr...je ne suis guère plus qu'un touriste assidu dans ce beau pays.
Pour le reste, Michel (que je salue amicalement🙂) pourra vous donner bien plus d'informations intéressantes que moi.
Ca c'est pas sûr...je ne suis guère plus qu'un touriste assidu dans ce beau pays.
michel85200
Bonjour Ghislaine,
Octobre est une bonne période avec quelques risques de pluie. Avons passé 6 semaines en 2 016 en RSA entre le 20/10 et début décembre avec seulement une ou deux petites pluies mais un temps venté et frais (fraîcheur anormale à cette saison, paraît-il ?), sauf à Jobourg où il faisait très chaud et dans le Kalahari où c'était la canicule (entre 35 et 40°).
D'accord avec Michel pour le véhicule, un vol vers le Kruger ne serait pas un gain de temps car de Prétoria, il faudrait revenir à Jnb pour attraper un avion alors qu'il n'y a que 4 à 5 heures de route pour rejoindre le Sud de Blyde River Canyon (+ si on est très amusette et moins si l'on est "Bip Bip"). Ensuite, le Kruger (4j est une belle entrée en matière) , le Swaziland (jamais mis les pieds, mais il faudra que je me décide, tout le monde semble attiré par ce petit royaume), puis Santa-Lucia (2j c'est bien), Hluhluwe/Umfolozi (2j) (ai vu plus d'animaux dans le premier mais ai fait une inoubliable rando dans le second). La région entre cette réserve et le Drakensberg compte plusieurs sites historiques (Blood River, Dundee, Rorke's Drift, Isandhlwana......)
Après, pourquoi Sani Pass ? Sauf à vouloir franchir le mythique col pour poser un pied au Lesotho, il y a des coins aussi jolis dans le Drakensberg (Giant's Castle, Cathedrale Peak, Monk's Cowl.......) et plus proches du RNNP (2j dans chaque ne seront pas de trop avec les temps de route), s'il reste une journée, vous ne regretterez pas un petit saut vers Golden Gate Highlands NP sur la route du retour.
Pas de commentaire spécial pour Johannesburg et Prétoria, j'ai toujours fuit ces infernales mégalopoles mais un petit détour à Cradle of Humankind est un excellent conseil (une demi journée voire davantage : j'ai beaucoup aimé).
Si l'on est curieux de tout et surtout de la faune, Kruger et Umfolozi ne font pas double emploi, dans la brousse chaque instant est différent et peut réserver son lot de surprises et si on s'intéresse jusqu'aux petites choses, il y a à faire dans les deux.
En ce qui concerne Kgalagadi, il n'y a effectivement pas grand chose à voir entre Jnb et le parc où il faut compter presque 2 jours de route mais quelle merveille ? C'est peut-être plus sympa au départ du Cap avec Bain's Kloof, le Cederberg, le Namaqualand (si floraison), le Richtersveld avec un possible crochet en Namibie pour voir Fish River Canyon, Augrabies Falls et quelques autres sites sympas sur le long trajet (un autre voyage). Réservations difficiles au KTP en janvier pour fin octobre pourtant, tout n'était pourtant pas complet sur place ???????
Bien cordialement et bon vent. Jacky.
"Moins faire pour mieux voir !"
Octobre est une bonne période avec quelques risques de pluie. Avons passé 6 semaines en 2 016 en RSA entre le 20/10 et début décembre avec seulement une ou deux petites pluies mais un temps venté et frais (fraîcheur anormale à cette saison, paraît-il ?), sauf à Jobourg où il faisait très chaud et dans le Kalahari où c'était la canicule (entre 35 et 40°).
D'accord avec Michel pour le véhicule, un vol vers le Kruger ne serait pas un gain de temps car de Prétoria, il faudrait revenir à Jnb pour attraper un avion alors qu'il n'y a que 4 à 5 heures de route pour rejoindre le Sud de Blyde River Canyon (+ si on est très amusette et moins si l'on est "Bip Bip"). Ensuite, le Kruger (4j est une belle entrée en matière) , le Swaziland (jamais mis les pieds, mais il faudra que je me décide, tout le monde semble attiré par ce petit royaume), puis Santa-Lucia (2j c'est bien), Hluhluwe/Umfolozi (2j) (ai vu plus d'animaux dans le premier mais ai fait une inoubliable rando dans le second). La région entre cette réserve et le Drakensberg compte plusieurs sites historiques (Blood River, Dundee, Rorke's Drift, Isandhlwana......)
Après, pourquoi Sani Pass ? Sauf à vouloir franchir le mythique col pour poser un pied au Lesotho, il y a des coins aussi jolis dans le Drakensberg (Giant's Castle, Cathedrale Peak, Monk's Cowl.......) et plus proches du RNNP (2j dans chaque ne seront pas de trop avec les temps de route), s'il reste une journée, vous ne regretterez pas un petit saut vers Golden Gate Highlands NP sur la route du retour.
Pas de commentaire spécial pour Johannesburg et Prétoria, j'ai toujours fuit ces infernales mégalopoles mais un petit détour à Cradle of Humankind est un excellent conseil (une demi journée voire davantage : j'ai beaucoup aimé).
Si l'on est curieux de tout et surtout de la faune, Kruger et Umfolozi ne font pas double emploi, dans la brousse chaque instant est différent et peut réserver son lot de surprises et si on s'intéresse jusqu'aux petites choses, il y a à faire dans les deux.
En ce qui concerne Kgalagadi, il n'y a effectivement pas grand chose à voir entre Jnb et le parc où il faut compter presque 2 jours de route mais quelle merveille ? C'est peut-être plus sympa au départ du Cap avec Bain's Kloof, le Cederberg, le Namaqualand (si floraison), le Richtersveld avec un possible crochet en Namibie pour voir Fish River Canyon, Augrabies Falls et quelques autres sites sympas sur le long trajet (un autre voyage). Réservations difficiles au KTP en janvier pour fin octobre pourtant, tout n'était pourtant pas complet sur place ???????
Bien cordialement et bon vent. Jacky.
"Moins faire pour mieux voir !"
Yol + D'Jack
Salut
Pour le Drak, rajoutons le sud avec le Kamberg et Highmoor, personne n'y va et pourtant...
michel85200
Re-bonsoir Ghislaine,
Pourquoi n'auriez-vous pas besoin de votre voiture pendant votre séjour dans le parc Kruger ? Et comment vous y rendrez-vous au départ de Prétoria ou de Johannesburg ? On peut confier sa destinée à un TO et se laisser guider tout au long du séjour dans un ou plusieurs camps. On peut aussi sillonner le parc (une partie du moins si vous ne restez que 4 jours) avec sa propre voiture et faire quelques game-drives organisées par Sanparks (matin, après-midi, soir et nuit) en restant dans le même camp ou en nomadisant, vers le Sud par exemple puisque votre circuit vous conduira ensuite vers le Swaziland. C'est la formule utilisée par la majorité des voyageurs. Il suffit de réserver ses hébergements, d'acheter une carte du parc et un guide de la faune sud-africaine pour identifier les animaux + participer à des sorties, comme je le dis plus haut, pour compléter ses propres découvertes avec le ranger qui conduit la voiture.
Bien cordialement. Jacky.
"Moins faire pour mieux voir !"
Pourquoi n'auriez-vous pas besoin de votre voiture pendant votre séjour dans le parc Kruger ? Et comment vous y rendrez-vous au départ de Prétoria ou de Johannesburg ? On peut confier sa destinée à un TO et se laisser guider tout au long du séjour dans un ou plusieurs camps. On peut aussi sillonner le parc (une partie du moins si vous ne restez que 4 jours) avec sa propre voiture et faire quelques game-drives organisées par Sanparks (matin, après-midi, soir et nuit) en restant dans le même camp ou en nomadisant, vers le Sud par exemple puisque votre circuit vous conduira ensuite vers le Swaziland. C'est la formule utilisée par la majorité des voyageurs. Il suffit de réserver ses hébergements, d'acheter une carte du parc et un guide de la faune sud-africaine pour identifier les animaux + participer à des sorties, comme je le dis plus haut, pour compléter ses propres découvertes avec le ranger qui conduit la voiture.
Bien cordialement. Jacky.
"Moins faire pour mieux voir !"
Yol + D'Jack
Re
Une voiture haute sur roues, c'est bien, surtout pour observer la faune, un 4x4, c'est mieux mais une berline peut suffire sur cet itinéraire, sauf si tu choisis d'escalader le col de Sani ou d'aller au KTP où s'est parfois galère de ne pas avoir quatre roues motrices. On circule librement du lever du jour à la tombée de la nuit dans tous les parcs et réserves d'Afrique du Sud (pas dans beaucoup de réserves privées). As-tu pensé à la Wild Card ?
Bien cordialement. Jacky.
"Moins faire pour mieux voir !"
Une voiture haute sur roues, c'est bien, surtout pour observer la faune, un 4x4, c'est mieux mais une berline peut suffire sur cet itinéraire, sauf si tu choisis d'escalader le col de Sani ou d'aller au KTP où s'est parfois galère de ne pas avoir quatre roues motrices. On circule librement du lever du jour à la tombée de la nuit dans tous les parcs et réserves d'Afrique du Sud (pas dans beaucoup de réserves privées). As-tu pensé à la Wild Card ?
Bien cordialement. Jacky.
"Moins faire pour mieux voir !"
Yol + D'Jack
Bonjour à tous,
Je reviens vers vous, je suis à fond dans mes recherches et ne voudrais pas me tromper alors, excusez-moi si certaines de mes questions vous paraissent inutiles ou ridicules.
Je me demande si ce serait judicieux de prendre un avion ( Emirates par ex) Paris-Joburg, Durban-Paris: nous gagnerions du temps que nous pourrions utiliser ailleurs et la location de voiture serait moindre donc même si le vol est un peu plus cher, l'un dans l'autre on s'y retrouverait. Qu'en pensez-vous?
Merci encore pour vos conseils
Cordialement
gabelo31
Il n'y a pas de question "ridicule".
C'est un choix de repartir de Durban, vous gagneriez du temps dans votre parcours. Mais dans ce cas là vous n'allez plus dans le Drakensberg ?
C'est un choix de repartir de Durban, vous gagneriez du temps dans votre parcours. Mais dans ce cas là vous n'allez plus dans le Drakensberg ?
michel85200
Si vous remontez jusqu'au Royal Natal, pourquoi redescendre vers Durban?
Frais de drop pour la voiture. Quasi même kilométrage.
Moi ce que j'en dis.
michel85200
Bonsoir,
Je me demandais si 1/2 journée supplémentaire pour découvrir l'art à Johannesburg serait intéressant pour découvrir la ville sous un autre angle, qu'en pensez-vous?
J'ai trouvé un chouette hébergement à Bergville, où pourrions-nous nous arrêter pour 2 nuits dans le Drakensberg entre Santa Lucia et Bergville? Nous remonterions directement de Bergville pour Jodburg pour prendre notre vol international.
Merci pour vos conseils
gabelo31
Bonsoir,
Pas de conseil en ce qui concerne Johannesburg et l'art que l'on peut y admirer. Les villes sud-africaines telles Jobourg, le Cap (la ville seulement pas l'environnement), Pretoria, Port-Elisabeth et surtout Durban me font peur par leur gigantisme et leur névrose de la sécurité.
Bergville est une petite localité à proximité du Drakensberg, agréable mais sans charme particulier. Il serait dommage d'y séjourner 2 nuits alors qu'il est possible de loger dans le Royal Natal National Park au pied du fameux Amphithéâtre ou encore à Champagne Castle, Giant's Castle, Cathedral Peak et ailleurs : paysages somptueux, randonnées tous niveaux, faune dans certains, flore magnifique selon la saison. Tous ces sites sont accessibles avec une berline. On peut y trouver tous les types d'hébergement : camping, chalets en self-catering, hôtels ou guesthouses. En provenance de Santa-Lucia et en traversant le Zoulouland d'Est en Ouest, on rejoint la N3 du côté d'Escourt, d'où il est facile de rejoindre les sites nommés ci-dessus. RNNP est bien sûr le plus proche de Jnb via Harrismith et à nouveau la N3 ou via la traversée du superbe Golden Gate Highlands NP, Bethlehem, la R26 (route en bon état) et encore la N3. Il serait dommage de s'en priver.
Bien cordialement. Jacky.
"Moins faire pour mieux voir !"
Pas de conseil en ce qui concerne Johannesburg et l'art que l'on peut y admirer. Les villes sud-africaines telles Jobourg, le Cap (la ville seulement pas l'environnement), Pretoria, Port-Elisabeth et surtout Durban me font peur par leur gigantisme et leur névrose de la sécurité.
Bergville est une petite localité à proximité du Drakensberg, agréable mais sans charme particulier. Il serait dommage d'y séjourner 2 nuits alors qu'il est possible de loger dans le Royal Natal National Park au pied du fameux Amphithéâtre ou encore à Champagne Castle, Giant's Castle, Cathedral Peak et ailleurs : paysages somptueux, randonnées tous niveaux, faune dans certains, flore magnifique selon la saison. Tous ces sites sont accessibles avec une berline. On peut y trouver tous les types d'hébergement : camping, chalets en self-catering, hôtels ou guesthouses. En provenance de Santa-Lucia et en traversant le Zoulouland d'Est en Ouest, on rejoint la N3 du côté d'Escourt, d'où il est facile de rejoindre les sites nommés ci-dessus. RNNP est bien sûr le plus proche de Jnb via Harrismith et à nouveau la N3 ou via la traversée du superbe Golden Gate Highlands NP, Bethlehem, la R26 (route en bon état) et encore la N3. Il serait dommage de s'en priver.
Bien cordialement. Jacky.
"Moins faire pour mieux voir !"
Yol + D'Jack
Bonsoir
Merci beaucoup pour votre réponse rapide.
Je vais chercher 2 hébergements dans le Drakensberg pour y passer 2x2 nuits après avoir séjourné à Santa Lucia mais j'ai un peu de mal à me rendre compte du temps de route effectif nécessaire et nous aimerions ne pas passer trop de temps en voiture.
Merci pour vos conseils avisés.
Bien cordialement
gabelo31
En 5 heures de Joburg airport on rejoint "ma" guest house très proche de Champagne Valley.
La route est bonne. Intéressante...pas vraiment sauf quand on arrive près du Drak.
Généralement j'arrive à Joburg avant midi...et je suis dans le DRak avant le nuit (et je suis pas un fou du volant).
Attention aux radars dans le Gauteng et sur la nationale qui descend vers Durban.
La route est bonne. Intéressante...pas vraiment sauf quand on arrive près du Drak.
Généralement j'arrive à Joburg avant midi...et je suis dans le DRak avant le nuit (et je suis pas un fou du volant).
Attention aux radars dans le Gauteng et sur la nationale qui descend vers Durban.
michel85200
Donc Royal Natal ou Golden Gate sont pour vous !
Le GG a très bonne réputation, je n'ai pratiqué que le Royal Natal (et j'en étais ravi).
Le GG a très bonne réputation, je n'ai pratiqué que le Royal Natal (et j'en étais ravi).
michel85200
Bonsoir,
Royal Natal NP est un endroit magnifique, à ne pas manquer pour un premier voyage en Afrique du Sud. Il est fortement conseillé de loger sur place comme je l'ai dit dans un autre message. Il sera plus facile, ainsi, de partir en balade dans le parc. Une randonnée assez facile conduisant au pied de l'Amphithéâtre demande 5 à 6 heures, (selon que l'on est musard ou non), pour une quinzaine de km, jusqu'aux échelles dans les gorges de la rivière Tugela, au-delà, elle devient un peu plus difficile.
Golden Gate Highlands NP est aussi un superbe endroit, très différent de RNNP et moins grandiose, mais relativement calme. Les hébergements sont de qualité à Glen Reenen Camp ou chez son voisin qui possède un bon restaurant, ou encore Mountain Retreat, perché en haut de la montagne jouissant d'un panorama spectaculaire (en réfection lors de notre passage, fin novembre). La R712 traverse la réserve d'Est en Ouest donnant un aperçu du paysage. Les animaux ne pullulent pas mais sont plus nombreux qu'à RNNP où ils se cachent dans une végétation dense. On y croise surtout des zèbres, des gnous, des élans, des blesboks, des autruches, des babouins et des chacals. On peut se promener sur ses jolis sentiers, parfois à proximité de quelques herbivores, peu farouches. La jolie ville de Clarens, une vingtaine de km après le parc compte de très beaux B&B et Guesthouses. En remontant du Drakensberg et à moins de 3 heures de Jnb, je ne connais rien où il serait agréable de passer un jour ou deux, sauf, à la rigueur, dans la réserve de Suikerbosrand, près d'Heidelberg, mais les hébergements étaient fermés suite à un incendie et nous avons du nous rabattre sur un hôtel d'Heidelberg. L'aéroport ne serait plus, alors, qu'à 1 à 2 heures selon le trafic !
Je pense qu'il vaut mieux profiter au maximum de la beauté de l'un ou de l'autre de ces deux sites et de sacrifier 5/6 heures pour rejoindre en voiture OR Tambo, vous vous reposerez dans l'avion !
Bien cordialement. Jacky.
"Moins faire pour mieux voir !"
PS: je pense que l'étape de Santa-Lucia au Drakensberg demande une journée de conduite, selon l'itinéraire choisi, il y a quelques curiosités à visiter en chemin.
Royal Natal NP est un endroit magnifique, à ne pas manquer pour un premier voyage en Afrique du Sud. Il est fortement conseillé de loger sur place comme je l'ai dit dans un autre message. Il sera plus facile, ainsi, de partir en balade dans le parc. Une randonnée assez facile conduisant au pied de l'Amphithéâtre demande 5 à 6 heures, (selon que l'on est musard ou non), pour une quinzaine de km, jusqu'aux échelles dans les gorges de la rivière Tugela, au-delà, elle devient un peu plus difficile.
Golden Gate Highlands NP est aussi un superbe endroit, très différent de RNNP et moins grandiose, mais relativement calme. Les hébergements sont de qualité à Glen Reenen Camp ou chez son voisin qui possède un bon restaurant, ou encore Mountain Retreat, perché en haut de la montagne jouissant d'un panorama spectaculaire (en réfection lors de notre passage, fin novembre). La R712 traverse la réserve d'Est en Ouest donnant un aperçu du paysage. Les animaux ne pullulent pas mais sont plus nombreux qu'à RNNP où ils se cachent dans une végétation dense. On y croise surtout des zèbres, des gnous, des élans, des blesboks, des autruches, des babouins et des chacals. On peut se promener sur ses jolis sentiers, parfois à proximité de quelques herbivores, peu farouches. La jolie ville de Clarens, une vingtaine de km après le parc compte de très beaux B&B et Guesthouses. En remontant du Drakensberg et à moins de 3 heures de Jnb, je ne connais rien où il serait agréable de passer un jour ou deux, sauf, à la rigueur, dans la réserve de Suikerbosrand, près d'Heidelberg, mais les hébergements étaient fermés suite à un incendie et nous avons du nous rabattre sur un hôtel d'Heidelberg. L'aéroport ne serait plus, alors, qu'à 1 à 2 heures selon le trafic !
Je pense qu'il vaut mieux profiter au maximum de la beauté de l'un ou de l'autre de ces deux sites et de sacrifier 5/6 heures pour rejoindre en voiture OR Tambo, vous vous reposerez dans l'avion !
Bien cordialement. Jacky.
"Moins faire pour mieux voir !"
PS: je pense que l'étape de Santa-Lucia au Drakensberg demande une journée de conduite, selon l'itinéraire choisi, il y a quelques curiosités à visiter en chemin.
Yol + D'Jack
Bonsoir,
Merci pour tous ces renseignements,
Je vais donc chercher deux hébergements, l'un en Champagne Valley et l'autre à Royal Natal.
Sur Google, le temps de parcours entre Royal Natal et l'aéroport est de 3h34 (345 km), est-ce vraiment ça?
Cordialement
Bon dimanche
gabelo31
A une queue de vache prêt...c'est cela.
Attention, il peut y avoir des embouteillages autour de Joburg aux heures de pointe.
Attention, il peut y avoir des embouteillages autour de Joburg aux heures de pointe.
michel85200
Là, pour le coup, non ou alors il faut beaucoup, beaucoup de km.
michel85200
Pire.
Si vraiment le projet vous tente, il faudrait rejoindre Underberg / Himeville en venant du KZN.
Puis remonter vers Champagne valley soit vers Royal Natal.
Cela rallonge le route entre KZN / St Lucia et le Drak.
Une fois au pied de la Sani... Il faut un 4x4 pour la grimpette ou booker un tour avec l'une des agences locales qui organisent cette grimpette aux aurores en poussant éventuellement jusqu'à Mokothlong....puis une bière dans le bar le plus haut puis redescente donc arrivée la veille et seconde nuit sur place.
J'ai beaucoup aimé la Sani (en descente venant du Lesotho, avec mon 4x4)...il ne faisait pas beau pourtant.
Si vraiment le projet vous tente, il faudrait rejoindre Underberg / Himeville en venant du KZN.
Puis remonter vers Champagne valley soit vers Royal Natal.
Cela rallonge le route entre KZN / St Lucia et le Drak.
Une fois au pied de la Sani... Il faut un 4x4 pour la grimpette ou booker un tour avec l'une des agences locales qui organisent cette grimpette aux aurores en poussant éventuellement jusqu'à Mokothlong....puis une bière dans le bar le plus haut puis redescente donc arrivée la veille et seconde nuit sur place.
J'ai beaucoup aimé la Sani (en descente venant du Lesotho, avec mon 4x4)...il ne faisait pas beau pourtant.
michel85200
Ben moi, je suis allé dans le Drak version sud-af (Kamberg, Giants , Champagne , Royal...)
Et j'ai patienté pour traverser le Lesotho en octobre, un autre voyage...via la sani pass (faut pas oublier non plus que c'est haut dans ce coin donc potentiellement avec neige et glace.
Et j'ai patienté pour traverser le Lesotho en octobre, un autre voyage...via la sani pass (faut pas oublier non plus que c'est haut dans ce coin donc potentiellement avec neige et glace.
michel85200
Bonjour,
Ça y est, mon itinéraire est beaucoup plus clair dans ma tête !
A votre avis, mieux vaut faire Santa Lucia puis Hluhluwe ou Hluhluwe puis Santa Lucia avant de prendre la route des batailles?
Avez-vous une carte routière à me conseiller?
Merci pour vos conseils
gabelo31
Perso, St Lucia puis Hluhluwe.
Carte TA4 en vente sur le site de tracks for africa. Elle donne beaucoup d'indications et des temps de trajet.
https://tracks4africa.co.za/
Carte TA4 en vente sur le site de tracks for africa. Elle donne beaucoup d'indications et des temps de trajet.
https://tracks4africa.co.za/
michel85200
Ben a priori je ne me poserais pas la question...
Comme si en AFS tu payais un restau avec ta carte...en Rands.
michel85200
Le litron d'essence doit être à 1 euro
On mange facilement et correctement pour 10 15 euros
Le petit repas pour 5 7 euros. On commence à sortir de l'ordinaire à 20 25
Attention le service est rarement inclus. Rajouter 10 15 % pour le service. Et ne soyez pas trop exigeant, n'oubliez pas que ces serveurs viennent souvent du township du coin.
L'AFS est un pays dans lequel beaucoup de gens vivent de petits boulots de services.
Les pompistes, les porteurs, les "gareurs"de voiture
Les pièces ne sont pas immeritees.
Des petits 5 rands parci par là.
Ne soyez pas non plus vaches à lait ou otages.
michel85200
Bonjour Ghislaine,
je pense que vous devriez faire Joburg et Prétoria en deux jours seulement, c'est bien suffisant et comme çà vous pouvez consacrer un peu plus de temps au Kruger ou à votre transit.
C'est vrai que les trajets en voiture ça constipe ! 😄 Désolé... 😇
Bonjour tout le monde ! 😉
je pense que vous devriez faire Joburg et Prétoria en deux jours seulement, c'est bien suffisant et comme çà vous pouvez consacrer un peu plus de temps au Kruger ou à votre transit.
C'est vrai que les trajets en voiture ça constipe ! 😄 Désolé... 😇
Bonjour tout le monde ! 😉
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Bonjour,
Ça y est, nous partons dans 3 semaines; Le voyage est ficelé grâce à tous vos conseils glanés sur ce super forum et l'excitation commence à se faire sentir..
Je raconterai nos découvertes et impressions à notre retour.
Dernière question : est-il préférable de partir avec des rands ou de faire le change à l'aéroport où le taux est peut-être plus avantageux ?
À très bientôt
gabelo31
Bonjour
Perso je pars avec des rands que j'ai d'un précédent voyage ou mieux changés enFrance quand le cours est avantageux
Sinon DAB en AFS voir change selon les endroits où je me perds en premier
Bon voyage
michel85200
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It's been a year since I've been longing for South Africa. Our first trip in August 2025 amazed us, and—rarely—it was a unanimous hit with our little family! We were touched to the core, and from the moment we got home, we couldn’t stop talking about going back. 😄
I’d like to take this opportunity to thank everyone who gave me advice on the itinerary for that first trip (Johannesburg loop: Blyde, Kruger, Eswatini, St. Lucia, Durban, Drakensberg)! Thanks to you, our trip went like a dream!
Since then, I haven’t stopped reading articles and discussions on VoyageForum to keep my head in South Africa a little longer!
So, we finally caved and just booked our tickets for January 2027 (from the 3rd to the 26th), with a plan to do a road trip from Cape Town to Johannesburg in about 3 weeks.
I’ve got a rough itinerary that seems great based on what I’ve read on various forums, but there are still some uncertain points, and that’s where I could use your advice.
3/01: Arrival in Johannesburg at 11:45 PM 4/01: Flight to Cape Town, pick up rental car. Afternoon sightseeing 5,6,7/01: Cape Town to visit the big classics in the area (any tips for finding accommodation: which neighborhood, a specific place?) 8/01: Overnight stop before Oudtshoorn—but where??? (Is it essential, or is the CT-Oudtshoorn drive manageable? If so, I’d gain a day in Oudtshoorn. Google Maps shows over 5 hours of driving...) 9,10/01: Oudtshoorn (or would 3 nights be better to really enjoy the area?) 11,12/01: Knysna, Plettenberg Bay (to have time for hiking—if you’ve got hiking tips, I’m all ears!) 13,14/01: Tsitsikamma (still to have time for hiking—who knows the must-do hikes in the area? But maybe 4 nights in the Knysna-Tsitsikamma area is too much—I’m not sure) 16,17/01: Addo Elephant (I’m torn between 3 nights at Addo or 3 nights at Mountain Zebra. Based on travel journals, especially Michel’s on MZ, I’ve scheduled 3 nights at MZ 😄...) 18,19,20/01: Mountain Zebra NP 21/01: Camdeboo NP (because it looks so beautiful!) 22/01: Overnight stop (where?) before wrapping up the trip with either 2 or 3 nights at Golden Gate NP or the Lesotho option, which appeals to me, but I don’t know if it’s doable in 3 days to be back in Johannesburg by the afternoon of the 26th.
That’s my trip idea for now... I’m eagerly waiting for your advice, ideas, and comments... Can’t wait to be back there again!
3/01: Arrival in Johannesburg at 11:45 PM 4/01: Flight to Cape Town, pick up rental car. Afternoon sightseeing 5,6,7/01: Cape Town to visit the big classics in the area (any tips for finding accommodation: which neighborhood, a specific place?) 8/01: Overnight stop before Oudtshoorn—but where??? (Is it essential, or is the CT-Oudtshoorn drive manageable? If so, I’d gain a day in Oudtshoorn. Google Maps shows over 5 hours of driving...) 9,10/01: Oudtshoorn (or would 3 nights be better to really enjoy the area?) 11,12/01: Knysna, Plettenberg Bay (to have time for hiking—if you’ve got hiking tips, I’m all ears!) 13,14/01: Tsitsikamma (still to have time for hiking—who knows the must-do hikes in the area? But maybe 4 nights in the Knysna-Tsitsikamma area is too much—I’m not sure) 16,17/01: Addo Elephant (I’m torn between 3 nights at Addo or 3 nights at Mountain Zebra. Based on travel journals, especially Michel’s on MZ, I’ve scheduled 3 nights at MZ 😄...) 18,19,20/01: Mountain Zebra NP 21/01: Camdeboo NP (because it looks so beautiful!) 22/01: Overnight stop (where?) before wrapping up the trip with either 2 or 3 nights at Golden Gate NP or the Lesotho option, which appeals to me, but I don’t know if it’s doable in 3 days to be back in Johannesburg by the afternoon of the 26th.
That’s my trip idea for now... I’m eagerly waiting for your advice, ideas, and comments... Can’t wait to be back there again!
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I’m surprised by how expensive the accommodations inside the parks are—really steep! Is it possible to stay outside the parks but still close enough to enjoy the game drives?
Do you have any recommendations for more reasonably priced lodging? I’m okay with spending 200 to 250 € per night.
No camping—the friend I’m traveling with absolutely refuses 😉, but maybe upgraded tents would work.
Thanks in advance, and have a great evening! !
I’m planning a potential trip to Namibia for a classic circuit in April 2027.
I’m surprised by how expensive the accommodations inside the parks are—really steep! Is it possible to stay outside the parks but still close enough to enjoy the game drives?
Do you have any recommendations for more reasonably priced lodging? I’m okay with spending 200 to 250 € per night.
No camping—the friend I’m traveling with absolutely refuses 😉, but maybe upgraded tents would work.
Thanks in advance, and have a great evening! !
Hi everyone,
We’re revising our travel plans for January 2027. Originally, we were considering Uganda for about 14/15 days, but given the current health situation and the restrictions that might affect my partner, who’s American, we’ve decided to switch to Tanzania instead.
I’m used to traveling in South Africa and organizing my trips myself, but I get the impression that planning a safari in Tanzania is quite different.
I know self-drive isn’t really an option in Tanzania. So my main question is: can you organize your own itinerary and book lodges directly, then hire a local driver-guide? Or is it better to go through a local agency that handles the entire safari?
For the itinerary, which parks would you recommend for a first-time visit in January? Serengeti, Ngorongoro, Tarangire, Manyara, Ruaha, Arusha, Selous…
We’d also like to include Zanzibar to end the trip with a few days at the beach. Over 14/15 days, does that sound realistic or too ambitious?
Finally, for flights, is it better to arrive at Kilimanjaro (JRO) or Dar es Salaam (DAR) based on the itinerary we’re considering?
Thanks in advance for your feedback, especially on the best way to organize the safari and which parks to prioritize in January!
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Just returned from a three-week family trip to Kenya (with three kids aged 10, 12, and 15), and I wanted to share my experience. Forums were super helpful in planning this trip, especially if you want to get a bit off the beaten path.
First off, Kenya is an amazing destination with incredibly friendly and welcoming locals. It was easy to travel around because you can always find someone to give you directions or help you out.
For practical tips—though you’ve probably read this elsewhere—get a Safaricom SIM card when you arrive at the airport so you can pay via M-Pesa (you can top it up with a credit card using the Wise app) and chat with people on WhatsApp. It’ll make your life *so* much easier (booking trains, buses, park entries, etc.) and save you from carrying too much cash or hunting for ATMs.
Also, we went during the first three weeks of July, which wasn’t peak tourist season.
One thing to note: even if you’re using public transport and budget accommodations, Kenya can still be pricey because tourist attractions add up fast—often more expensive than in France. But honestly, it’s usually worth it!
We started our trip with a 5-day homestay. We were welcomed by a really lovely family in Loitokitok with a view of Kilimanjaro right from their garden entrance (just a heads-up: in July, it’s often shrouded in mist!). To find them, search for Greenfield Homestay in Loitokitok. It was a fantastic experience, especially with kids! On top of transfers, they organized several outings with locals: a hike to the Tanzanian border, a motorcycle ride on the foothills of Kilimanjaro, and a day safari in Amboseli. You can book with them eyes closed! For the safari, Anthony (who’s English-speaking) took us around—he’s from the area and knows the park like the back of his hand. Highly recommend him!
Anthony then drove us to Isiolo, a town in the north that’s just starting to open up to tourism. We wanted to see the Monday livestock market, where different ethnic groups gather to buy and sell goats, sheep, and cows (according to Lonely Planet). We were a bit disappointed and wouldn’t recommend it. We also visited Ngare Ndare Forest, which has a stunning waterfall, an interesting walk with an armed ranger (elephants are common), and a suspension bridge for admiring the canopy. Just make sure to let them know you’re coming at least three days in advance to guarantee a ranger will be available. We also did a second safari day in Samburu—it’s a great complement to Amboseli and totally worth it!
Next, we headed to Naivasha (still with Anthony). We found a place on Airbnb (Jasmine House) at Fischerman’s Camp, a campsite we really loved! You’ll spot hippos, monkeys, and beautiful birds there. We organized several activities: a boat ride on the lake to see birds, zebras, and giraffes; a bike safari in Hell’s Gate Park (the campsite is right by the entrance and rents bikes); and a hike to Crater Lake (departing by boat from the campsite), where you walk among zebras, giraffes, and different gazelles. Naivasha is way more touristy than Loitokitok or Isiolo, but there’s no shortage of things to do.
Finally, we spent our last week in Watamu on the coast. To get there, we took an overnight ENA Coach bus from Naivasha to Mombasa, booked via https://www.travler.africa/. It was comfortable and fast, but you’ll need to call the driver to arrange a pickup spot—the restaurant staff at the campsite helped us out with that! Then we took an Uber to Watamu since we had a lot of luggage (we skipped the matatu).
Watamu is nicknamed "Little Italy" because of all the Italian tourists. When we were there (third week of July), it wasn’t peak season yet, so the beaches weren’t cleaned. But we loved the laid-back vibe and how easy it was to get around. We *highly* recommend the marine turtle rescue center—it’s fascinating (especially with kids) and supports a great cause! We were a bit disappointed by the marine park, though—maybe because of the season? There weren’t many fish, and jellyfish kinda ruined the snorkeling. The mangrove tour is also a must-do.
For the trip back to Nairobi, we took the express train from Mombasa. We booked our tickets when we first arrived in Kenya (since payment is only via M-Pesa). The train is reliable and comfortable, and we saw lots of elephants along the way. Just a heads-up: there are *a lot* of security checks, and we almost weren’t allowed to board with our Opinel knife…
If you have any questions, feel free to ask!
All in all, we had an amazing trip—so much variety, great encounters, and the magic of safaris!
First off, Kenya is an amazing destination with incredibly friendly and welcoming locals. It was easy to travel around because you can always find someone to give you directions or help you out.
For practical tips—though you’ve probably read this elsewhere—get a Safaricom SIM card when you arrive at the airport so you can pay via M-Pesa (you can top it up with a credit card using the Wise app) and chat with people on WhatsApp. It’ll make your life *so* much easier (booking trains, buses, park entries, etc.) and save you from carrying too much cash or hunting for ATMs.
Also, we went during the first three weeks of July, which wasn’t peak tourist season.
One thing to note: even if you’re using public transport and budget accommodations, Kenya can still be pricey because tourist attractions add up fast—often more expensive than in France. But honestly, it’s usually worth it!
We started our trip with a 5-day homestay. We were welcomed by a really lovely family in Loitokitok with a view of Kilimanjaro right from their garden entrance (just a heads-up: in July, it’s often shrouded in mist!). To find them, search for Greenfield Homestay in Loitokitok. It was a fantastic experience, especially with kids! On top of transfers, they organized several outings with locals: a hike to the Tanzanian border, a motorcycle ride on the foothills of Kilimanjaro, and a day safari in Amboseli. You can book with them eyes closed! For the safari, Anthony (who’s English-speaking) took us around—he’s from the area and knows the park like the back of his hand. Highly recommend him!
Anthony then drove us to Isiolo, a town in the north that’s just starting to open up to tourism. We wanted to see the Monday livestock market, where different ethnic groups gather to buy and sell goats, sheep, and cows (according to Lonely Planet). We were a bit disappointed and wouldn’t recommend it. We also visited Ngare Ndare Forest, which has a stunning waterfall, an interesting walk with an armed ranger (elephants are common), and a suspension bridge for admiring the canopy. Just make sure to let them know you’re coming at least three days in advance to guarantee a ranger will be available. We also did a second safari day in Samburu—it’s a great complement to Amboseli and totally worth it!
Next, we headed to Naivasha (still with Anthony). We found a place on Airbnb (Jasmine House) at Fischerman’s Camp, a campsite we really loved! You’ll spot hippos, monkeys, and beautiful birds there. We organized several activities: a boat ride on the lake to see birds, zebras, and giraffes; a bike safari in Hell’s Gate Park (the campsite is right by the entrance and rents bikes); and a hike to Crater Lake (departing by boat from the campsite), where you walk among zebras, giraffes, and different gazelles. Naivasha is way more touristy than Loitokitok or Isiolo, but there’s no shortage of things to do.
Finally, we spent our last week in Watamu on the coast. To get there, we took an overnight ENA Coach bus from Naivasha to Mombasa, booked via https://www.travler.africa/. It was comfortable and fast, but you’ll need to call the driver to arrange a pickup spot—the restaurant staff at the campsite helped us out with that! Then we took an Uber to Watamu since we had a lot of luggage (we skipped the matatu).
Watamu is nicknamed "Little Italy" because of all the Italian tourists. When we were there (third week of July), it wasn’t peak season yet, so the beaches weren’t cleaned. But we loved the laid-back vibe and how easy it was to get around. We *highly* recommend the marine turtle rescue center—it’s fascinating (especially with kids) and supports a great cause! We were a bit disappointed by the marine park, though—maybe because of the season? There weren’t many fish, and jellyfish kinda ruined the snorkeling. The mangrove tour is also a must-do.
For the trip back to Nairobi, we took the express train from Mombasa. We booked our tickets when we first arrived in Kenya (since payment is only via M-Pesa). The train is reliable and comfortable, and we saw lots of elephants along the way. Just a heads-up: there are *a lot* of security checks, and we almost weren’t allowed to board with our Opinel knife…
If you have any questions, feel free to ask!
All in all, we had an amazing trip—so much variety, great encounters, and the magic of safaris!
Hi everyone!
My trip to South Africa is getting closer (still 2 months to go 😏), and I’m diving back into my itinerary: from Saturday to the following Sunday around Cape Town, then from Sunday to the following Saturday in Kruger.
For Cape Town, the plan was to avoid changing accommodation every day (we’ll do enough of that in the second part) but still see different landscapes. I know, I’m missing out on a lot, but you’ve got to make choices, and after all this time, I know what I like—and especially what I don’t (or like less) 😉
Here’s the breakdown:
Arrival Saturday at 11 AM: heading to Hermanus (2 nights). The idea is to stroll along the cliff path in the afternoon, and possibly drive to the Klein River Lagoon. Sunday: Stony Point, then depending on time and weather, a hike in Kogelberg Nature Reserve or Fernkloof Nature Reserve (which seems less scenic but has shorter walks). Monday: drive to Franschhoek (1 night). If everything lines up, a hike in Jonkershoek NR and a visit to a wine estate. Tuesday: drive to Mountceder Lodge in the Cederberg (2 nights). I’m thinking of visiting the Stadsaal Caves and the elephant paintings, and maybe one of the hikes listed on the lodge’s site or Maltese Cross. Thursday: heading to Hout Bay for 3 nights. In no particular order: a classic day trip around the peninsula, half a day at Kirstenbosch Gardens, and half a day at Lion’s Head. Sunday: flight to Johannesburg.
My questions are mostly about (short) hikes: Has anyone here done hikes in Kogelberg, Fernkloof, or Jonkershoek? At Mountceder Lodge (Michel, if you’re reading this… 😉), has anyone tried the hikes (guided or not) offered by the lodge? There’s still half a day to fill when we’re in Hout Bay—any ideas (not necessarily hikes)?
Lastly, regarding safety: the French foreign ministry (always alarmist, but still) recommends hiking in groups. Is it really risky in broad daylight? (I’m not sure a group of two women counts as a "group"…)
Thanks in advance for your answers, ideas, and comments!
My trip to South Africa is getting closer (still 2 months to go 😏), and I’m diving back into my itinerary: from Saturday to the following Sunday around Cape Town, then from Sunday to the following Saturday in Kruger.
For Cape Town, the plan was to avoid changing accommodation every day (we’ll do enough of that in the second part) but still see different landscapes. I know, I’m missing out on a lot, but you’ve got to make choices, and after all this time, I know what I like—and especially what I don’t (or like less) 😉
Here’s the breakdown:
Arrival Saturday at 11 AM: heading to Hermanus (2 nights). The idea is to stroll along the cliff path in the afternoon, and possibly drive to the Klein River Lagoon. Sunday: Stony Point, then depending on time and weather, a hike in Kogelberg Nature Reserve or Fernkloof Nature Reserve (which seems less scenic but has shorter walks). Monday: drive to Franschhoek (1 night). If everything lines up, a hike in Jonkershoek NR and a visit to a wine estate. Tuesday: drive to Mountceder Lodge in the Cederberg (2 nights). I’m thinking of visiting the Stadsaal Caves and the elephant paintings, and maybe one of the hikes listed on the lodge’s site or Maltese Cross. Thursday: heading to Hout Bay for 3 nights. In no particular order: a classic day trip around the peninsula, half a day at Kirstenbosch Gardens, and half a day at Lion’s Head. Sunday: flight to Johannesburg.
My questions are mostly about (short) hikes: Has anyone here done hikes in Kogelberg, Fernkloof, or Jonkershoek? At Mountceder Lodge (Michel, if you’re reading this… 😉), has anyone tried the hikes (guided or not) offered by the lodge? There’s still half a day to fill when we’re in Hout Bay—any ideas (not necessarily hikes)?
Lastly, regarding safety: the French foreign ministry (always alarmist, but still) recommends hiking in groups. Is it really risky in broad daylight? (I’m not sure a group of two women counts as a "group"…)
Thanks in advance for your answers, ideas, and comments!
hi
Question: we’re doing a 3-week trip in Namibia, including 5 days for Victoria Falls. I’ve booked one night in Brandberg, and then I have some questions. I was thinking of spending 2 nights in Palmwag, then heading to Etosha for one night in Okaukuejo and then 2 nights in Halali. Alternatively, from Brandberg, I could book a night near Galton Gate and then enter Etosha. I’m not really sure about the distances, especially with a 4x4. Same for the return trip: Halali to Windhoek seems long. Maybe it’d be smart to break it up on the way back? (We have 2 days to get back if needed.) If so, where?
Thanks for your tips and feedback!
Rachel
Question: we’re doing a 3-week trip in Namibia, including 5 days for Victoria Falls. I’ve booked one night in Brandberg, and then I have some questions. I was thinking of spending 2 nights in Palmwag, then heading to Etosha for one night in Okaukuejo and then 2 nights in Halali. Alternatively, from Brandberg, I could book a night near Galton Gate and then enter Etosha. I’m not really sure about the distances, especially with a 4x4. Same for the return trip: Halali to Windhoek seems long. Maybe it’d be smart to break it up on the way back? (We have 2 days to get back if needed.) If so, where?
Thanks for your tips and feedback!
Rachel
Jambo! I organized my trip through this kind of group, so I thought I’d share my experience here. We traveled as a group of four, including two kids aged 9 and 11. After requesting around twenty quotes, I decided to book the safari portion with MAKING MEMORIES IN AFRICA. Ally responded quickly and listened to all my requests—unlike other agencies—such as having a French-speaking guide, the order of park visits (Tarangire, Manyara, Serengeti, then Ngorongoro), and a mix of budget hotels and camping to keep costs down. There were still four agencies in the running, and price was the deciding factor. Even though they were the cheapest, I felt better taken care of than with others. For example, all meals were prepared by a Maasai chef, Louis, who accompanied us throughout the trip, while some others ate meals out of cardboard boxes. Samuel, our guide, explained so many things and answered all our questions. José drove us safely the whole way. Everything was done with great cheer!
At the end of the stay, Ally came to meet us and gave us t-shirts with the agency’s logo—we loved that they took the time to hear our feedback in person. In short, I highly recommend them +++, especially since it’s a local agency that also supports a charity for women and children.
For Zanzibar, I organized everything myself. I hesitated for a long time but eventually booked all four nights at the same place. We don’t like crowds, so I initially considered Jambiani but ended up choosing EVERGREEN BUNGALOWS in Bwejuu. We took their first airport-to-hotel transfer since we arrived at night, and it felt safer. Great value for money, in our opinion. Just be aware that it’s quite isolated—perfect for relaxing and going on excursions. There were very few beach vendors, unlike what I’d read about Zanzibar. We lived with our feet in the sand from morning to night, with a small basin of water outside our room to rinse off. Such a lovely spot!
I had asked for some excursion prices before leaving but ended up booking on-site. Not at our hotel, but at a nearby restaurant that was cheaper. After some thought, since we were based in Bwejuu, I wanted to do Blue Lagoon and Pungume (both departing from the south of Zanzibar).
Blue Lagoon: About 3 hours total, with snorkeling on a small reef full of fish (coral wasn’t great) and a stop at a spot with tons of starfish, plus local snacks, fruit, and drinks.
Pungume: An amazing day with a 50% chance of seeing dolphins (we missed them), a visit to the mangroves, then snorkeling at a spot with some nice coral and, of course, fish. We ended with a fantastic grill (tuna, shrimp, squid, lobster, and fries) on a sandbank in the shade.
Finally, before heading to Stone Town, we visited Paje Cave, which is much less known than Maalum. It’s smaller, but we saw bats, went for a swim, and fed the chickens and rabbits (great for the kids). To finish, we explored Stone Town on our own and had dinner at Forodhani Market.
For flights, we flew with Turkish Airlines from Barcelona to Kilimanjaro and back from Zanzibar—no issues there. However, I don’t recommend the Kilimanjaro-Zanzibar leg with Precision Air. Our luggage didn’t arrive, and according to the hotel, this happens often. We only got it back a day and a half later.
At the end of the stay, Ally came to meet us and gave us t-shirts with the agency’s logo—we loved that they took the time to hear our feedback in person. In short, I highly recommend them +++, especially since it’s a local agency that also supports a charity for women and children.
For Zanzibar, I organized everything myself. I hesitated for a long time but eventually booked all four nights at the same place. We don’t like crowds, so I initially considered Jambiani but ended up choosing EVERGREEN BUNGALOWS in Bwejuu. We took their first airport-to-hotel transfer since we arrived at night, and it felt safer. Great value for money, in our opinion. Just be aware that it’s quite isolated—perfect for relaxing and going on excursions. There were very few beach vendors, unlike what I’d read about Zanzibar. We lived with our feet in the sand from morning to night, with a small basin of water outside our room to rinse off. Such a lovely spot!
I had asked for some excursion prices before leaving but ended up booking on-site. Not at our hotel, but at a nearby restaurant that was cheaper. After some thought, since we were based in Bwejuu, I wanted to do Blue Lagoon and Pungume (both departing from the south of Zanzibar).
Blue Lagoon: About 3 hours total, with snorkeling on a small reef full of fish (coral wasn’t great) and a stop at a spot with tons of starfish, plus local snacks, fruit, and drinks.
Pungume: An amazing day with a 50% chance of seeing dolphins (we missed them), a visit to the mangroves, then snorkeling at a spot with some nice coral and, of course, fish. We ended with a fantastic grill (tuna, shrimp, squid, lobster, and fries) on a sandbank in the shade.
Finally, before heading to Stone Town, we visited Paje Cave, which is much less known than Maalum. It’s smaller, but we saw bats, went for a swim, and fed the chickens and rabbits (great for the kids). To finish, we explored Stone Town on our own and had dinner at Forodhani Market.
For flights, we flew with Turkish Airlines from Barcelona to Kilimanjaro and back from Zanzibar—no issues there. However, I don’t recommend the Kilimanjaro-Zanzibar leg with Precision Air. Our luggage didn’t arrive, and according to the hotel, this happens often. We only got it back a day and a half later.
Hi there,
Hope the pros are on the lookout!
March or May 2027. Around 15 days in the Western Cape, then 15 days in the southern KNP.
Arrival either in PE or George. The pros know I’m somewhat familiar with the area... that I don’t camp... that my accommodations can be simple and remote, self-catering but with basic comforts... that I’m looking for spots that are a bit off the beaten path... in a relaxed mode... From George: Late arrival... need some rest... Herolds Bay from George to the N1. Tsitsikamma is catching my eye (Storms River)... with or without a stop in Knysna. Question: What’s the current condition of the pass from Knysna to Uniondale? R339. And while I’m at it, the condition of the R340. Tsitsikamma, Knysna, and my questions still apply if arriving in PE.
Is the Swartberg still closed? Any recommendations for accommodation in Prince Albert? If I cross the escarpment, I’ll continue via Anysberg NR, Touwsrivier... any thoughts? From there... Tankwa Karoo or Mount Cedar (or both). Then heading back down to the coast... the highlands of Hermanus or Kogelberg NR (any opinions on the latter?).
Or,
A more classic route along the coast...
If I arrive (fairly late) in PE... any ideas for accommodation in that little area? Given that Nyathi Camp is winking at me... (For context... a while back, I stayed at Riverbend (same Addo sector, private concession)... and I visited the ruins of that abandoned lodge at the time, which has clearly been renovated since... located in a very quiet part of Addo...). Any feedback from the pros? Well, that’s about it... I’m open to any other tips or advice!
March or May 2027. Around 15 days in the Western Cape, then 15 days in the southern KNP.
Arrival either in PE or George. The pros know I’m somewhat familiar with the area... that I don’t camp... that my accommodations can be simple and remote, self-catering but with basic comforts... that I’m looking for spots that are a bit off the beaten path... in a relaxed mode... From George: Late arrival... need some rest... Herolds Bay from George to the N1. Tsitsikamma is catching my eye (Storms River)... with or without a stop in Knysna. Question: What’s the current condition of the pass from Knysna to Uniondale? R339. And while I’m at it, the condition of the R340. Tsitsikamma, Knysna, and my questions still apply if arriving in PE.
Is the Swartberg still closed? Any recommendations for accommodation in Prince Albert? If I cross the escarpment, I’ll continue via Anysberg NR, Touwsrivier... any thoughts? From there... Tankwa Karoo or Mount Cedar (or both). Then heading back down to the coast... the highlands of Hermanus or Kogelberg NR (any opinions on the latter?).
Or,
A more classic route along the coast...
If I arrive (fairly late) in PE... any ideas for accommodation in that little area? Given that Nyathi Camp is winking at me... (For context... a while back, I stayed at Riverbend (same Addo sector, private concession)... and I visited the ruins of that abandoned lodge at the time, which has clearly been renovated since... located in a very quiet part of Addo...). Any feedback from the pros? Well, that’s about it... I’m open to any other tips or advice!
Hi there,
I’m reaching out with a question about which park to choose for a 3-day safari in Kenya.
After 20 days in Uganda, I’m meeting up with my dad for a 3-day safari (that works for him). We’ll be meeting in Nairobi and have a full day to travel to a park (preferably the farthest from Nairobi to avoid crowds?) and spend 4 nights there before heading back to the capital for our flight to France.
I’d love to hear your recommendations since I’ve read so many great tips on this forum.
Thanks,
David
I’m reaching out with a question about which park to choose for a 3-day safari in Kenya.
After 20 days in Uganda, I’m meeting up with my dad for a 3-day safari (that works for him). We’ll be meeting in Nairobi and have a full day to travel to a park (preferably the farthest from Nairobi to avoid crowds?) and spend 4 nights there before heading back to the capital for our flight to France.
I’d love to hear your recommendations since I’ve read so many great tips on this forum.
Thanks,
David
Hi,
At the end of July, we’re heading to Namibia with a group of five for a three-week road trip and visit to the national parks. We’ve read conflicting info about buying entry tickets—either online (where?) or at the gate when we arrive?
Thanks in advance for your tips!!
Have a great day
At the end of July, we’re heading to Namibia with a group of five for a three-week road trip and visit to the national parks. We’ve read conflicting info about buying entry tickets—either online (where?) or at the gate when we arrive?
Thanks in advance for your tips!!
Have a great day
Hi there,
I’d love to hear your thoughts on the agencies you used to plan your trip to Uganda.
There’s the whole issue of gorilla permits, which need to be booked in advance and involve a significant financial commitment. That’s where I’m at with my trip planning. Between checking lutb.go.ug/ and reading online reviews, it’s hard to move forward with confidence.
I contacted the French Embassy, but they don’t provide any recommendations. I almost booked with an agency that had a really bad review from February specifically about the permit process.
How did you go about choosing your agency? Given the large sum involved, I’m this close to booking through a travel agency in France for this part.
From what I understand, no matter which agency books the permit, you’re ultimately guided by professionals trained for gorilla trekking based on the permit itself? I’m assuming that’s how it works.
Thanks for your feedback, and I’m really happy to see the forum’s new energy—it’s been super helpful to me in the past.
I’d love to hear your thoughts on the agencies you used to plan your trip to Uganda.
There’s the whole issue of gorilla permits, which need to be booked in advance and involve a significant financial commitment. That’s where I’m at with my trip planning. Between checking lutb.go.ug/ and reading online reviews, it’s hard to move forward with confidence.
I contacted the French Embassy, but they don’t provide any recommendations. I almost booked with an agency that had a really bad review from February specifically about the permit process.
How did you go about choosing your agency? Given the large sum involved, I’m this close to booking through a travel agency in France for this part.
From what I understand, no matter which agency books the permit, you’re ultimately guided by professionals trained for gorilla trekking based on the permit itself? I’m assuming that’s how it works.
Thanks for your feedback, and I’m really happy to see the forum’s new energy—it’s been super helpful to me in the past.
Hi everyone!
We’re heading to Uganda next summer for three weeks with our two kids, who’ll be 7 and 9 years old. We’ve been to Southern Africa before but not East Africa, and after a trip to South Africa two years ago, the kids wanted to return to Africa, while we wanted to explore a new region while staying independent... Uganda’s been catching our eye for a while, and with Rwandair offering relatively attractive prices, we’re going for it!
We’ll be traveling in a 4x4 (self-drive) with roof tents. I don’t have any 4x4 driving experience, so it’ll be a first for me, but we’ll manage 😉 No great apes for us—kids need to be 15, and we don’t want to do that experience without them.
I don’t usually ask the forum much for trip planning, but this time, I’d love your thoughts and advice!
First question: Karamoja or not? At first glance, if we want to add it to a "classic" loop in the southwest, it doesn’t seem realistic—too packed, too much driving. We could consider doing the full loop via Kidepo and then heading down to Murchison, but I’m worried the trip might feel less varied and less kid-friendly. That said, the region looks stunning, and I’m struggling to accept not going at all... What do you think?
If we skip Karamoja, we’d do a loop: Murchison/Fort Portal/QENP/Bunyonyi/Mburo, which seems pretty comprehensive and would let us take our time, which is nice. A few random questions: - How much time should we plan for the Fort Portal area? I was thinking at least 3 days to visit Bigodi Swamp, walk around the craters, and maybe do a community walk (any thoughts on that?). - Between Murchison Falls and the Fort Portal area, is it worth breaking up the drive? I spotted Lake Albert Safari Lodge on the shores of Lake Albert—it’s not too expensive and looks nice. - I’d love to do some easy walks/hikes at the foot of the Rwenzori Mountains, ideally without a guide, but it doesn’t seem straightforward. Do you know if it’s possible to do nice walks independently? I’ve read about hikes in the hills near Kilembe but nothing very specific. Maybe staying somewhere at the foot of the mountains, like Ruboni Community Camp, would allow that. - Lake Mutanda looks really cool, and so does Lake Bunyonyi... Ideally, I’d like to see both, but won’t that feel repetitive? Is Lake Mutanda worth the detour?
Last practical question, since we don’t have experience with this: for the car with kids, would you recommend two tents (a bit more space) or a four-person tent?
I’ll stop here—already a lot of questions...
Thanks in advance for your feedback, and looking forward to exchanging ideas! Gabriel
We’re heading to Uganda next summer for three weeks with our two kids, who’ll be 7 and 9 years old. We’ve been to Southern Africa before but not East Africa, and after a trip to South Africa two years ago, the kids wanted to return to Africa, while we wanted to explore a new region while staying independent... Uganda’s been catching our eye for a while, and with Rwandair offering relatively attractive prices, we’re going for it!
We’ll be traveling in a 4x4 (self-drive) with roof tents. I don’t have any 4x4 driving experience, so it’ll be a first for me, but we’ll manage 😉 No great apes for us—kids need to be 15, and we don’t want to do that experience without them.
I don’t usually ask the forum much for trip planning, but this time, I’d love your thoughts and advice!
First question: Karamoja or not? At first glance, if we want to add it to a "classic" loop in the southwest, it doesn’t seem realistic—too packed, too much driving. We could consider doing the full loop via Kidepo and then heading down to Murchison, but I’m worried the trip might feel less varied and less kid-friendly. That said, the region looks stunning, and I’m struggling to accept not going at all... What do you think?
If we skip Karamoja, we’d do a loop: Murchison/Fort Portal/QENP/Bunyonyi/Mburo, which seems pretty comprehensive and would let us take our time, which is nice. A few random questions: - How much time should we plan for the Fort Portal area? I was thinking at least 3 days to visit Bigodi Swamp, walk around the craters, and maybe do a community walk (any thoughts on that?). - Between Murchison Falls and the Fort Portal area, is it worth breaking up the drive? I spotted Lake Albert Safari Lodge on the shores of Lake Albert—it’s not too expensive and looks nice. - I’d love to do some easy walks/hikes at the foot of the Rwenzori Mountains, ideally without a guide, but it doesn’t seem straightforward. Do you know if it’s possible to do nice walks independently? I’ve read about hikes in the hills near Kilembe but nothing very specific. Maybe staying somewhere at the foot of the mountains, like Ruboni Community Camp, would allow that. - Lake Mutanda looks really cool, and so does Lake Bunyonyi... Ideally, I’d like to see both, but won’t that feel repetitive? Is Lake Mutanda worth the detour?
Last practical question, since we don’t have experience with this: for the car with kids, would you recommend two tents (a bit more space) or a four-person tent?
I’ll stop here—already a lot of questions...
Thanks in advance for your feedback, and looking forward to exchanging ideas! Gabriel
Hi everyone!
I’m looking for a French-speaking local guide for July 2019. Would anyone have a contact there? No tour operators, please.
Thanks in advance!
I’m looking for a French-speaking local guide for July 2019. Would anyone have a contact there? No tour operators, please.
Thanks in advance!
Hello,
We’re planning our second trip to South Africa in July 2026. In 2023, we did a loop from Joburg, Golden Gate, Drakensberg, Hluhluwe, St Lucia, Eswatini, Kruger, Blyde River Canyon, and back to Joburg. This time, we’d like to go to Cape Town and do a road trip to Port Elizabeth, then fly back to Joburg to return to Kruger. At this stage of my planning, here’s what it could look like:
D1 to D4: Cape Town and Cape of Good Hope (Table Mountain, Lion’s Head, Waterfront, Bo-Kaap, Boulders, Cape Point, Chapman’s Peak Drive). I’ve spotted a few places to stay between Camps Bay and Hout Bay (3 nights). D5 and D6: Either Karoo NP or Hermanus and De Hoop. Any opinions to tip the scales? I’ll admit I’m already leaning toward Karoo (the "wild" vibe of the landscapes and wildlife encounters appeal to me much more than the seaside, which feels less exotic). If we go for Karoo, where should we stay? Inside the park or in Beaufort West? I’ve seen good reviews for Ko-ka Tsara Bush Camp, but maybe it’s better to stay in the Sanparks cottages to make the most of the park? (2 nights) Option B is to do Stellenbosch (though vineyards aren’t great in winter) and/or the Whale Route—Betty’s Bay, Hermanus, De Hoop (2 nights near Gansbaai). D7 and D8: Klein Karoo, Oudtshoorn. Staying at De Cango Guest Farm (2 nights). D9 and D10: Knysna, Robberg Nature Reserve, Tsitsikamma (2 nights in Plettenberg Bay and 1 night in PE). D11: Flight from Port Elizabeth to Joburg at 7 AM and drive to Marloth Park.
For Kruger, I’ve booked 2 nights in Marloth Park, 1 night in Skukuza, 2 nights in Satara, and 1 night in Talamati, which we loved. I’ll book the last night in Graskop later since we want to revisit the Blyde Canyon area.
I’d love all the feedback you can give on my itinerary, especially for days 5 and 6. If you have recommendations for accommodations for 4 people, I’d appreciate those too. Thanks! 🙂
We’re planning our second trip to South Africa in July 2026. In 2023, we did a loop from Joburg, Golden Gate, Drakensberg, Hluhluwe, St Lucia, Eswatini, Kruger, Blyde River Canyon, and back to Joburg. This time, we’d like to go to Cape Town and do a road trip to Port Elizabeth, then fly back to Joburg to return to Kruger. At this stage of my planning, here’s what it could look like:
D1 to D4: Cape Town and Cape of Good Hope (Table Mountain, Lion’s Head, Waterfront, Bo-Kaap, Boulders, Cape Point, Chapman’s Peak Drive). I’ve spotted a few places to stay between Camps Bay and Hout Bay (3 nights). D5 and D6: Either Karoo NP or Hermanus and De Hoop. Any opinions to tip the scales? I’ll admit I’m already leaning toward Karoo (the "wild" vibe of the landscapes and wildlife encounters appeal to me much more than the seaside, which feels less exotic). If we go for Karoo, where should we stay? Inside the park or in Beaufort West? I’ve seen good reviews for Ko-ka Tsara Bush Camp, but maybe it’s better to stay in the Sanparks cottages to make the most of the park? (2 nights) Option B is to do Stellenbosch (though vineyards aren’t great in winter) and/or the Whale Route—Betty’s Bay, Hermanus, De Hoop (2 nights near Gansbaai). D7 and D8: Klein Karoo, Oudtshoorn. Staying at De Cango Guest Farm (2 nights). D9 and D10: Knysna, Robberg Nature Reserve, Tsitsikamma (2 nights in Plettenberg Bay and 1 night in PE). D11: Flight from Port Elizabeth to Joburg at 7 AM and drive to Marloth Park.
For Kruger, I’ve booked 2 nights in Marloth Park, 1 night in Skukuza, 2 nights in Satara, and 1 night in Talamati, which we loved. I’ll book the last night in Graskop later since we want to revisit the Blyde Canyon area.
I’d love all the feedback you can give on my itinerary, especially for days 5 and 6. If you have recommendations for accommodations for 4 people, I’d appreciate those too. Thanks! 🙂
Hi
Any feedback on the agency Mon Guide Zanzibar?
Hi everyone,
We’re a family of four (two daughters aged 18 and 21) and we’re planning a three-week trip to Tanzania. Zanzibar would be our main base, but we’d also like to do a safari on the mainland. Could you share any tips on: - the ideal length for such a safari, the best place to go during this period (and easily accessible by flight from Zanzibar) - your recommendations for the most suitable type of stay for a family like ours - reliable local agencies with reasonable prices that could help us with this plan
Thanks in advance!
Albin
We’re a family of four (two daughters aged 18 and 21) and we’re planning a three-week trip to Tanzania. Zanzibar would be our main base, but we’d also like to do a safari on the mainland. Could you share any tips on: - the ideal length for such a safari, the best place to go during this period (and easily accessible by flight from Zanzibar) - your recommendations for the most suitable type of stay for a family like ours - reliable local agencies with reasonable prices that could help us with this plan
Thanks in advance!
Albin
Hi everyone, I’m here to get some advice on visiting KRUGER Park.
From what I’ve gathered through my reading, I understand there are two ways to visit the park:
- Independently with your own vehicle
=> Do you drive all day?
- By booking with a professional
=> Safari early in the morning and late in the afternoon. But what do you do in between?
When it comes to accommodations, the options are: - Booking in one of the park’s camps, where the lodging is basic but functional - Booking in a private reserve, which is more comfortable but prohibitively expensive - Booking outside the park, which means entering the park every morning. But if you want to stay for 3 days, that doesn’t seem practical to me. Do you have any advice for accommodations?
To be honest, I’m really struggling to understand how it all works... Thanks to everyone for your help. Bidule 27
When it comes to accommodations, the options are: - Booking in one of the park’s camps, where the lodging is basic but functional - Booking in a private reserve, which is more comfortable but prohibitively expensive - Booking outside the park, which means entering the park every morning. But if you want to stay for 3 days, that doesn’t seem practical to me. Do you have any advice for accommodations?
To be honest, I’m really struggling to understand how it all works... Thanks to everyone for your help. Bidule 27
Hey everyone!
Heading to Namibia in a few days and I just read that the entry fees for all parks in Namibia have skyrocketed. Increases between 86 and 100%, and this has been in effect since April 1st (no joke). Have any of you heard about this, and if so, do you know if it’s actually being enforced?
For example, the fee for Etosha has gone from 150 NAD to 280 NAD per day per person.
Thanks in advance!
Namibia raises park fees by 86 to 100 percent
Namibia raises park fees by 86 to 100 percent
Hello,
I’m really interested in traveling to South Africa in September 2020. My question is whether I should go on an organized tour or plan my own itinerary. Organized trips are pretty expensive $$$$, but the security aspect reassures me. I’d love to hear your thoughts on safety in South Africa and whether it’s easy to arrange activities like visiting vineyards, Cape Town, and going on a safari on our own. Which is better in terms of cost—booking an organized trip or doing it ourselves? It’s definitely less exciting to follow a group for 10 days. We’re a couple in our 50s who love nature. 😊🦁
I’m really interested in traveling to South Africa in September 2020. My question is whether I should go on an organized tour or plan my own itinerary. Organized trips are pretty expensive $$$$, but the security aspect reassures me. I’d love to hear your thoughts on safety in South Africa and whether it’s easy to arrange activities like visiting vineyards, Cape Town, and going on a safari on our own. Which is better in terms of cost—booking an organized trip or doing it ourselves? It’s definitely less exciting to follow a group for 10 days. We’re a couple in our 50s who love nature. 😊🦁
Hi everyone,
We’re heading out in April 2027 with our 4x4 to explore part of Southern Africa. Right now we’re researching all these beautiful countries and deciding where to ship our vehicle. We’re from Le Havre—has anyone here already shipped from that port to South Africa or East Africa? As for all these countries, is wild camping allowed, tolerated, easy, or difficult? We’ve already visited a few, but you can read just about anything online, so getting tips from real independent travelers is way better :) We’re all ears for any hacks, experiences, or spots you’d recommend. See you on the road with Doddy
We’re heading out in April 2027 with our 4x4 to explore part of Southern Africa. Right now we’re researching all these beautiful countries and deciding where to ship our vehicle. We’re from Le Havre—has anyone here already shipped from that port to South Africa or East Africa? As for all these countries, is wild camping allowed, tolerated, easy, or difficult? We’ve already visited a few, but you can read just about anything online, so getting tips from real independent travelers is way better :) We’re all ears for any hacks, experiences, or spots you’d recommend. See you on the road with Doddy
Hi,
I’m starting to plan a great trip for the last three weeks of January 2027 (my first time in South Africa).
After spending a few hours (!) browsing this forum, here’s a rough first draft of my itinerary:
D0 Arrival at JNB D1, D2 Blyde River Canyon D3, D4, D5, D6, D7: Kruger D8, D9, D10: St Lucia and surrounding area D11, D12, D13, D14: Drakensberg + Lesotho
D15 A very long driving day to the south (hope the AC doesn’t break down!)
D16, D17, D18, D19 southwest coast (so far I’ve noted Oudtshoorn, Robberg Nature Reserve, Wilderness NP, De Hoop Reserve, and a bit of the wine route) D20, D21 Cape Town (peninsula and a bit of the city) + domestic flight and return flight (departure from JNB at 11 PM)
A few questions before refining this: - Do you see any major issues with this itinerary?
- We don’t have a choice on dates, and personally, I prefer green landscapes to desert ones anyway, but do you really see far fewer animals in January than in the dry season? Five days in Kruger should give us enough time to spot plenty of different animals despite the tall grass, right? As for the heat, we’re from Réunion, so we’re relatively used to it, even though I know it’s not the same type of heat.
- Can I trust the distances and driving times given by Google Maps?
- Picking up the vehicle in Johannesburg and dropping it off in Cape Town: how much might that cost us? I’m thinking it probably won’t be worse (in terms of time or money, since there are five of us—2 adults + 3 kids) than going back to Joburg after Lesotho, taking a flight to Cape Town, and renting another vehicle... but maybe I’m wrong.
- Finally, wouldn’t it be better to focus on just one of the two regions (either the northeast or Cape Town and the south coast)? If it were up to me, I’d stick to the first part and extend a few stops... but not everyone agrees! And we’re thinking that since it’ll be really hot, a second part of the trip that’s a bit """cooler""" would be welcome.
Thanks for your help
D0 Arrival at JNB D1, D2 Blyde River Canyon D3, D4, D5, D6, D7: Kruger D8, D9, D10: St Lucia and surrounding area D11, D12, D13, D14: Drakensberg + Lesotho
D15 A very long driving day to the south (hope the AC doesn’t break down!)
D16, D17, D18, D19 southwest coast (so far I’ve noted Oudtshoorn, Robberg Nature Reserve, Wilderness NP, De Hoop Reserve, and a bit of the wine route) D20, D21 Cape Town (peninsula and a bit of the city) + domestic flight and return flight (departure from JNB at 11 PM)
A few questions before refining this: - Do you see any major issues with this itinerary?
- We don’t have a choice on dates, and personally, I prefer green landscapes to desert ones anyway, but do you really see far fewer animals in January than in the dry season? Five days in Kruger should give us enough time to spot plenty of different animals despite the tall grass, right? As for the heat, we’re from Réunion, so we’re relatively used to it, even though I know it’s not the same type of heat.
- Can I trust the distances and driving times given by Google Maps?
- Picking up the vehicle in Johannesburg and dropping it off in Cape Town: how much might that cost us? I’m thinking it probably won’t be worse (in terms of time or money, since there are five of us—2 adults + 3 kids) than going back to Joburg after Lesotho, taking a flight to Cape Town, and renting another vehicle... but maybe I’m wrong.
- Finally, wouldn’t it be better to focus on just one of the two regions (either the northeast or Cape Town and the south coast)? If it were up to me, I’d stick to the first part and extend a few stops... but not everyone agrees! And we’re thinking that since it’ll be really hot, a second part of the trip that’s a bit """cooler""" would be welcome.
Thanks for your help
Hello everyone,
I imagine many of you have been captivated by the Masai Mara park and/or your safari experience with Tony Crocetta/Melting Pot Safari. Still, I’d like to share my perspective. First, I’m an avid traveler, especially in love with Africa, which my partner and I have explored a bit (Zambia, South Africa, Botswana, Kenya, Zimbabwe, Namibia...). That said, I want to express my deep disappointment with both the Masai Mara and Tony Crocetta’s camp, Melting Pot Safari, where we stayed last year.
First, about the park: it’s stunning, no doubt. But what a highly touristy place! I can’t find the words to describe the horror of being among 30 4x4 vehicles lined up in front of a lioness hunt, let alone encircling her right after her kill while her prey is still alive in her jaws... no respect for wildlife. The same goes for surrounding a young leopard playing with its small prey, a moment when I counted over 50 vehicles, most with their engines running... sickening. I turned away, both my gaze and my camera. What a disaster to see this natural wonder of Africa turned into a tourist hotspot.
Yes, I loved this place on Earth, but no, I won’t "promote" it anywhere or to anyone.
Next, I also wanted to share my dissatisfaction with Tony Crocetta’s famous camp, Melting Pot Safari: where to begin? We booked a private vehicle for four with two friends, and I have no complaints about the vehicle itself (though it obviously came at a cost). The windows and the vehicle weren’t very photo-friendly, but let’s move on. The trip between the sisters’ guesthouse (which was fine) and the camp went smoothly, except we arrived a bit too late. Result: "We’ll leave for the safari an hour later today because the driver has to respect his rest hours." Perfect—with park formalities, we only spent about an hour in the park that evening. The safari got off to a great start... During our 12-day stay, we saw some amazing things. Tony wasn’t at the camp—I don’t know what the atmosphere is like when he’s there, but it was rather cold during our trip. Sylvie, his wife, barely looked at us, never asking how our day, night, or game drive went (I think she spoke to us once during the stay, plus the day we arrived, of course). We felt invisible... (if I were mean, I’d say the money had already been deposited into Melting Pot’s bank account.) The evening meals, if I may say so, were a joke: not enough dessert (aside from fruit, but the few elaborate desserts—like 10 for 18 guests) for everyone, barely enough meat or sides. If you were unlucky like us and ended up with a group of 15 people who decided to skip the starter, you’d better hurry to get your main course, or there might not be any left—and no refills... We always ate our fill, but sometimes we had to serve ourselves in advance. Finally, I want to correct something about the quality of the meals: seriously, this buffet was really mediocre and far from the culinary standards I’d read about in my pre-trip research (see their Facebook page). Anyway, let’s move past the food—after all, the avocados were sublime, and we’re not there primarily to eat.
About the tent: the river views were beautiful, and the beds were very comfortable. No running water, individual showers outside the tent, and dry toilets—but it’s Africa, so we weren’t shocked. However, I’m disappointed that for this "modest" price, I wasn’t warned there’d be no soap (and no, I don’t travel with my own soap—and for the price, a little bar in the tent wouldn’t be a luxury). But let’s move on—the hippo views were fantastic. Oh, and to preserve the Masai Mara’s water (which makes sense) and for hygiene reasons, underwear isn’t washed by the camp staff—fair enough. But then what’s that little sign next to the bed? Oh right, for a hefty sum, underwear suddenly becomes "washable"...
Finally, my biggest gripe is about the essential part: the game drives. In France, they sell you a dream with a "photo safari" (what’s the difference, really? A room with a few more electrical outlets?). They promise guides especially suited for photography (not a given, sorry) and vehicles that can get close to animals and go off-road... but here’s the catch: the guides are bound by park laws and hounded by rangers looking to fine rule-breakers. Result: as soon as a white ranger vehicle is spotted, we have to abandon our spot for a wild chase through the grass. Fun once... The next day, we learned that another group’s guide got caught and had to pay $100 for breaking the rules—a sum he casually asked the travelers in his vehicle to cover... because of course, Melting Pot lures tourists with dreams, the poor rangers try to get close, all while breaking park laws... and they break those laws for Crocetta’s company, which, of course, won’t dip into its profits to pay the fines. Basically, it’s "keep the clients happy, but don’t get fined—or the fines are on you or you’ll have to ask the clients directly." Nice boss! Anyway, there were long discussions about this last year, especially among the guests in the fined vehicle. My partner and I found these practices unacceptable, and we were deeply disappointed by this attitude.
I know many people adore this park and/or this company—maybe you were luckier... or maybe you’re less demanding than we are when it comes to respecting rules, nature, and clients. But after traveling through much of southern Africa, I can tell you we personally came back frustrated from this experience and aren’t eager to return... You’ve been warned.
I imagine many of you have been captivated by the Masai Mara park and/or your safari experience with Tony Crocetta/Melting Pot Safari. Still, I’d like to share my perspective. First, I’m an avid traveler, especially in love with Africa, which my partner and I have explored a bit (Zambia, South Africa, Botswana, Kenya, Zimbabwe, Namibia...). That said, I want to express my deep disappointment with both the Masai Mara and Tony Crocetta’s camp, Melting Pot Safari, where we stayed last year.
First, about the park: it’s stunning, no doubt. But what a highly touristy place! I can’t find the words to describe the horror of being among 30 4x4 vehicles lined up in front of a lioness hunt, let alone encircling her right after her kill while her prey is still alive in her jaws... no respect for wildlife. The same goes for surrounding a young leopard playing with its small prey, a moment when I counted over 50 vehicles, most with their engines running... sickening. I turned away, both my gaze and my camera. What a disaster to see this natural wonder of Africa turned into a tourist hotspot.
Yes, I loved this place on Earth, but no, I won’t "promote" it anywhere or to anyone.
Next, I also wanted to share my dissatisfaction with Tony Crocetta’s famous camp, Melting Pot Safari: where to begin? We booked a private vehicle for four with two friends, and I have no complaints about the vehicle itself (though it obviously came at a cost). The windows and the vehicle weren’t very photo-friendly, but let’s move on. The trip between the sisters’ guesthouse (which was fine) and the camp went smoothly, except we arrived a bit too late. Result: "We’ll leave for the safari an hour later today because the driver has to respect his rest hours." Perfect—with park formalities, we only spent about an hour in the park that evening. The safari got off to a great start... During our 12-day stay, we saw some amazing things. Tony wasn’t at the camp—I don’t know what the atmosphere is like when he’s there, but it was rather cold during our trip. Sylvie, his wife, barely looked at us, never asking how our day, night, or game drive went (I think she spoke to us once during the stay, plus the day we arrived, of course). We felt invisible... (if I were mean, I’d say the money had already been deposited into Melting Pot’s bank account.) The evening meals, if I may say so, were a joke: not enough dessert (aside from fruit, but the few elaborate desserts—like 10 for 18 guests) for everyone, barely enough meat or sides. If you were unlucky like us and ended up with a group of 15 people who decided to skip the starter, you’d better hurry to get your main course, or there might not be any left—and no refills... We always ate our fill, but sometimes we had to serve ourselves in advance. Finally, I want to correct something about the quality of the meals: seriously, this buffet was really mediocre and far from the culinary standards I’d read about in my pre-trip research (see their Facebook page). Anyway, let’s move past the food—after all, the avocados were sublime, and we’re not there primarily to eat.
About the tent: the river views were beautiful, and the beds were very comfortable. No running water, individual showers outside the tent, and dry toilets—but it’s Africa, so we weren’t shocked. However, I’m disappointed that for this "modest" price, I wasn’t warned there’d be no soap (and no, I don’t travel with my own soap—and for the price, a little bar in the tent wouldn’t be a luxury). But let’s move on—the hippo views were fantastic. Oh, and to preserve the Masai Mara’s water (which makes sense) and for hygiene reasons, underwear isn’t washed by the camp staff—fair enough. But then what’s that little sign next to the bed? Oh right, for a hefty sum, underwear suddenly becomes "washable"...
Finally, my biggest gripe is about the essential part: the game drives. In France, they sell you a dream with a "photo safari" (what’s the difference, really? A room with a few more electrical outlets?). They promise guides especially suited for photography (not a given, sorry) and vehicles that can get close to animals and go off-road... but here’s the catch: the guides are bound by park laws and hounded by rangers looking to fine rule-breakers. Result: as soon as a white ranger vehicle is spotted, we have to abandon our spot for a wild chase through the grass. Fun once... The next day, we learned that another group’s guide got caught and had to pay $100 for breaking the rules—a sum he casually asked the travelers in his vehicle to cover... because of course, Melting Pot lures tourists with dreams, the poor rangers try to get close, all while breaking park laws... and they break those laws for Crocetta’s company, which, of course, won’t dip into its profits to pay the fines. Basically, it’s "keep the clients happy, but don’t get fined—or the fines are on you or you’ll have to ask the clients directly." Nice boss! Anyway, there were long discussions about this last year, especially among the guests in the fined vehicle. My partner and I found these practices unacceptable, and we were deeply disappointed by this attitude.
I know many people adore this park and/or this company—maybe you were luckier... or maybe you’re less demanding than we are when it comes to respecting rules, nature, and clients. But after traveling through much of southern Africa, I can tell you we personally came back frustrated from this experience and aren’t eager to return... You’ve been warned.
Hi there,
Here’s my feedback after a recent trip to Ethiopia, organized with a local guide.
Despite a signed quote, months of prep exchanges (over eight months!), and phone calls right up to departure day, the guide didn’t honor the commitments we’d agreed on.
Haile Haftu FANUAILE, manager of the agency www.charmethiopiantours.com—who we’d organized everything with—didn’t meet us as promised when we arrived in Addis Ababa. Without any warning, he sent a different guide to accompany us for the entire trip (with a flimsy excuse).
Several parts of the signed quote weren’t respected:
– Services included in the quote but not provided on-site (meals, water), – Hotels we’d chosen, booked, and paid for were swapped for lower-category places, – Visits were canceled because the timing wasn’t calculated properly, – One stop on the itinerary was dropped without any reason or explanation.
We’d paid a deposit for domestic flights, with a promise to refund any overpayment. A month after returning, 150 € per person (there were three of us) still hasn’t been refunded.
I’m sharing this to warn fellow travelers about the importance of solid guarantees to ensure contracts are actually honored. Double-check everything before committing!
Wishing everyone safe and smooth travel prep—Ethiopia is an incredible country!
--- Hello,
Feedback following a recent trip to Ethiopia, organized with a local guide.
Despite a signed quote, numerous preparatory exchanges over eight months, and phone calls right up until the day of departure, the guide did not fulfill his commitments. Haile Haftu FANUAILE, manager of the agency www.charmethiopiantours.com with whom we had organized everything, did not meet us as agreed upon our arrival in Addis Ababa; without warning us, he sent another guide in his place to accompany us throughout the trip (with a bogus excuse).
Several points in the signed quote were not honored: – services included in the quote but not provided on site (meals, water), – hotels chosen, booked, and paid for, replaced by lower-category establishments, – visits canceled due to lack of time, which had not been calculated correctly, – one stop on the itinerary canceled without reason or explanation.
A deposit had been paid for the booking of domestic flights, with a commitment to refund the overpayment. To date, one month after our return, 150 € per person (there were three of us) has still not been refunded.
This testimony is intended to alert travelers to the importance of solid guarantees for contracts that are actually honored, so that everyone can be extra vigilant before committing.
Good luck with your travel preparations, everyone. Ethiopia is an extraordinary country!
Here’s my feedback after a recent trip to Ethiopia, organized with a local guide.
Despite a signed quote, months of prep exchanges (over eight months!), and phone calls right up to departure day, the guide didn’t honor the commitments we’d agreed on.
Haile Haftu FANUAILE, manager of the agency www.charmethiopiantours.com—who we’d organized everything with—didn’t meet us as promised when we arrived in Addis Ababa. Without any warning, he sent a different guide to accompany us for the entire trip (with a flimsy excuse).
Several parts of the signed quote weren’t respected:
– Services included in the quote but not provided on-site (meals, water), – Hotels we’d chosen, booked, and paid for were swapped for lower-category places, – Visits were canceled because the timing wasn’t calculated properly, – One stop on the itinerary was dropped without any reason or explanation.
We’d paid a deposit for domestic flights, with a promise to refund any overpayment. A month after returning, 150 € per person (there were three of us) still hasn’t been refunded.
I’m sharing this to warn fellow travelers about the importance of solid guarantees to ensure contracts are actually honored. Double-check everything before committing!
Wishing everyone safe and smooth travel prep—Ethiopia is an incredible country!
--- Hello,
Feedback following a recent trip to Ethiopia, organized with a local guide.
Despite a signed quote, numerous preparatory exchanges over eight months, and phone calls right up until the day of departure, the guide did not fulfill his commitments. Haile Haftu FANUAILE, manager of the agency www.charmethiopiantours.com with whom we had organized everything, did not meet us as agreed upon our arrival in Addis Ababa; without warning us, he sent another guide in his place to accompany us throughout the trip (with a bogus excuse).
Several points in the signed quote were not honored: – services included in the quote but not provided on site (meals, water), – hotels chosen, booked, and paid for, replaced by lower-category establishments, – visits canceled due to lack of time, which had not been calculated correctly, – one stop on the itinerary canceled without reason or explanation.
A deposit had been paid for the booking of domestic flights, with a commitment to refund the overpayment. To date, one month after our return, 150 € per person (there were three of us) has still not been refunded.
This testimony is intended to alert travelers to the importance of solid guarantees for contracts that are actually honored, so that everyone can be extra vigilant before committing.
Good luck with your travel preparations, everyone. Ethiopia is an extraordinary country!
Hello,
With so many agencies out there, we're feeling a bit lost. Could you please share your experience—like recommending your agency if you were happy with them—and tell us why, and if possible, what budget we should expect? Feel free to send it in a private message :)
We’re just the two of us, and ideally, we’d like to go in a 4x4 alone or with another couple, or in a very small group.
Thanks so much in advance!
We’re just the two of us, and ideally, we’d like to go in a 4x4 alone or with another couple, or in a very small group.
Thanks so much in advance!
Hi there,
I’ve reached out to a few agencies for a week-long family safari next summer before heading to Zanzibar.
So far, the itinerary looks like this: Day 1: Late arrival at JRO and overnight in Arusha Day 2: Drive to Tarangire, park visit, and overnight in Tarangire Day 3: Tarangire, drive to and overnight in Karatu Day 4: Ngorongoro and overnight in Ngorongoro Day 5: Drive to Serengeti and safari in Seronera Day 6: Serengeti and overnight near Lobo Day 7: Serengeti and overnight in Seronera Day 8: Flight from Seronera to Zanzibar
On paper, it covers "everything," but maybe there’s a bit too much time lost on the road... Any alternatives?
To simplify (and cut costs), I was thinking: Day 1: Late arrival at JRO and overnight in Arusha Day 2: Arusha National Park with a walking safari and meeting the Maasai (?) Day 3: Drive to Tarangire, park visit, and overnight in Tarangire Day 4: Full day in Tarangire Day 5: Tarangire, drive to and overnight in Karatu Day 6: Ngorongoro and overnight in Ngorongoro Day 7: Morning in Manyara or Natron and drive to JRO Day 8: Flight to Zanzibar
Your thoughts and recommendations are welcome... Thanks
So far, the itinerary looks like this: Day 1: Late arrival at JRO and overnight in Arusha Day 2: Drive to Tarangire, park visit, and overnight in Tarangire Day 3: Tarangire, drive to and overnight in Karatu Day 4: Ngorongoro and overnight in Ngorongoro Day 5: Drive to Serengeti and safari in Seronera Day 6: Serengeti and overnight near Lobo Day 7: Serengeti and overnight in Seronera Day 8: Flight from Seronera to Zanzibar
On paper, it covers "everything," but maybe there’s a bit too much time lost on the road... Any alternatives?
To simplify (and cut costs), I was thinking: Day 1: Late arrival at JRO and overnight in Arusha Day 2: Arusha National Park with a walking safari and meeting the Maasai (?) Day 3: Drive to Tarangire, park visit, and overnight in Tarangire Day 4: Full day in Tarangire Day 5: Tarangire, drive to and overnight in Karatu Day 6: Ngorongoro and overnight in Ngorongoro Day 7: Morning in Manyara or Natron and drive to JRO Day 8: Flight to Zanzibar
Your thoughts and recommendations are welcome... Thanks
Hi everyone,
We have the opportunity to spend about ten days somewhere for Christmas, and I’m really tempted by Zanzibar. I’ve been dreaming for a long time about the Spice Island, Stone Town, diving...
Which hotels could you recommend? Not a big "resort"—we’re more into "boutique hotels" or even an Airbnb house. Somewhere quiet (we’re not party animals).
I’m thinking of staying the first few nights in Stone Town and then moving to a beach, preferably one where we can swim regardless of the tides, without ending up in seaweed and mud at low tide.
I’m a bit lost with all the beaches because apparently, the north is very crowded, the south is very windy, and the east has some good and some not-so-good spots, with big tides or not... HELP! 🤪
I’d like to limit myself to a maximum of 2 different places to stay over the 10 days.
Thanks in advance! 😉
We have the opportunity to spend about ten days somewhere for Christmas, and I’m really tempted by Zanzibar. I’ve been dreaming for a long time about the Spice Island, Stone Town, diving...
Which hotels could you recommend? Not a big "resort"—we’re more into "boutique hotels" or even an Airbnb house. Somewhere quiet (we’re not party animals).
I’m thinking of staying the first few nights in Stone Town and then moving to a beach, preferably one where we can swim regardless of the tides, without ending up in seaweed and mud at low tide.
I’m a bit lost with all the beaches because apparently, the north is very crowded, the south is very windy, and the east has some good and some not-so-good spots, with big tides or not... HELP! 🤪
I’d like to limit myself to a maximum of 2 different places to stay over the 10 days.
Thanks in advance! 😉
hi there
I’m reaching out because I don’t understand how Volcanoes National Park works. I looked at booking for the gorillas, but there’s just the price listed, and the same goes for the Diane Fossey tomb.
So I contacted a hotel in Kinigi, and they told me that for the gorillas, you need a car to get to the park headquarters, and then once you know your group, you need to get from the headquarters to the trekking start point?? Do you confirm this? Is that really how it works? They say the hotel has a driver and it would cost 100 DOLLARS!! I just found out that on top of the permit, there are other fees??? Uhh… Are there other options, knowing I don’t want to rent a 4x4 since I’m traveling alone?
And if I don’t get the gorilla permit but just want to visit the Diane Fossey tomb, is it the same issue? From Kinigi, do you need a 4x4? How far is the tomb from the headquarters? Is it a hike you can do alone OR DO YOU NEED A GUIDE, ON FOOT? By car?? If someone could explain everything to me… and is the DF Foundation different??
If I decide to go through an agency, is it possible in Musanze (which would save me trips) or is it mandatory to go through Kigali? Thanks so much for your help… Best regards
I’m reaching out because I don’t understand how Volcanoes National Park works. I looked at booking for the gorillas, but there’s just the price listed, and the same goes for the Diane Fossey tomb.
So I contacted a hotel in Kinigi, and they told me that for the gorillas, you need a car to get to the park headquarters, and then once you know your group, you need to get from the headquarters to the trekking start point?? Do you confirm this? Is that really how it works? They say the hotel has a driver and it would cost 100 DOLLARS!! I just found out that on top of the permit, there are other fees??? Uhh… Are there other options, knowing I don’t want to rent a 4x4 since I’m traveling alone?
And if I don’t get the gorilla permit but just want to visit the Diane Fossey tomb, is it the same issue? From Kinigi, do you need a 4x4? How far is the tomb from the headquarters? Is it a hike you can do alone OR DO YOU NEED A GUIDE, ON FOOT? By car?? If someone could explain everything to me… and is the DF Foundation different??
If I decide to go through an agency, is it possible in Musanze (which would save me trips) or is it mandatory to go through Kigali? Thanks so much for your help… Best regards
Hey everyone,
I’m in the middle of planning a road trip in Southern Africa, and I’m specifically working on the itinerary—especially the distances.
I’ve got the time, but I’m struggling with the transfer days (so much driving just to end up spending the whole day on the road). That’s why I’m trying to analyze travel times, even if it means adding extra stops.
My highlights in Zimbabwe would be: - Hwange - Victoria Falls (and maybe Matusadona) - Mana Pools - Harare - Gonarezhou - Great Zimbabwe
But the distances and travel times seem huge (over 4 hours each time), and I don’t see how to make the drives more chill or shorten them—even if it means adding stops (but which ones?) between each leg.
Would anyone be able to estimate the travel time between these highlights and maybe suggest some nice stops to take breaks?
I’m in the middle of planning a road trip in Southern Africa, and I’m specifically working on the itinerary—especially the distances.
I’ve got the time, but I’m struggling with the transfer days (so much driving just to end up spending the whole day on the road). That’s why I’m trying to analyze travel times, even if it means adding extra stops.
My highlights in Zimbabwe would be: - Hwange - Victoria Falls (and maybe Matusadona) - Mana Pools - Harare - Gonarezhou - Great Zimbabwe
But the distances and travel times seem huge (over 4 hours each time), and I don’t see how to make the drives more chill or shorten them—even if it means adding stops (but which ones?) between each leg.
Would anyone be able to estimate the travel time between these highlights and maybe suggest some nice stops to take breaks?




