Itinéraire dans le delta du Mékong seule ou avec agence
by Mym13
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
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Bonjour, je voudrais aller 3 ou 4 jours sur le Delta Mékong (en mai). Possible seule ou c'est mieux de passer par une agence (pas trop chère). Itinéraire souhaité : Sa Dec, Ben tre, my tho, cai be, can tho. J'habite à HCMC. A plus, bonne journée
Myriam
Bonjour,
Comme vous le précise Kaoua sur un autre de vos messages, cela dépendra de votre faculté d'autonomie. Si vous souhaitez faire les trajets en indépendant - Vous avez les services des futa bus qui desservent la quasi totalité du delta et des bus locaux pour certaines destinations. Vous pourrez ensuite sur place avec le concours de vos hôtels ou maisons d'hôtes opter pour des sorties et visites . Plusieurs sont proposées telles que les marchés flottants de Can Tho, des balades en bicyclettes, d'autres visites ou activités à thème. Vous pouvez aussi une fois sur place négocier directement avec les prestataires vietnamiens, un bateau, un taxi, un transfert en moto (si vous ne conduisez pas) et ou une visite, là cependant il faudra être habitué à la négociation et arriver à se faire comprendre. - Le choix le plus simple reste de passer par une agence. Soit vous optez pour un tour collectif et suivez le programme avec les autres , Soit vous prenez un tour individuel avec voiture , chauffeur, guide et établissez votre propre tracé.
Votre choix dépendra donc - de votre disponibilité financière, l'agence en individuelle restant la plus onéreuse - de votre autonomie, les futa bus et les hébergeurs proposant des activités seront un bon compromis entre le tout inclus et le tout à organiser.
Votre tracé en 3 jours me semble un peu ambitieux, il sera possible en fonction de votre réactivité et facilité à vous organiser sur place si vous voyagez en autonomie, attention cependant à ne pas passer votre temps sur la route en transfert. 4 jours seraient préférables sauf si vous voyagez avec voiture et chauffeur. Pour Can Tho et les marchés flottants il faudra bien prévoir une journée.
Comme vous le précise Kaoua sur un autre de vos messages, cela dépendra de votre faculté d'autonomie. Si vous souhaitez faire les trajets en indépendant - Vous avez les services des futa bus qui desservent la quasi totalité du delta et des bus locaux pour certaines destinations. Vous pourrez ensuite sur place avec le concours de vos hôtels ou maisons d'hôtes opter pour des sorties et visites . Plusieurs sont proposées telles que les marchés flottants de Can Tho, des balades en bicyclettes, d'autres visites ou activités à thème. Vous pouvez aussi une fois sur place négocier directement avec les prestataires vietnamiens, un bateau, un taxi, un transfert en moto (si vous ne conduisez pas) et ou une visite, là cependant il faudra être habitué à la négociation et arriver à se faire comprendre. - Le choix le plus simple reste de passer par une agence. Soit vous optez pour un tour collectif et suivez le programme avec les autres , Soit vous prenez un tour individuel avec voiture , chauffeur, guide et établissez votre propre tracé.
Votre choix dépendra donc - de votre disponibilité financière, l'agence en individuelle restant la plus onéreuse - de votre autonomie, les futa bus et les hébergeurs proposant des activités seront un bon compromis entre le tout inclus et le tout à organiser.
Votre tracé en 3 jours me semble un peu ambitieux, il sera possible en fonction de votre réactivité et facilité à vous organiser sur place si vous voyagez en autonomie, attention cependant à ne pas passer votre temps sur la route en transfert. 4 jours seraient préférables sauf si vous voyagez avec voiture et chauffeur. Pour Can Tho et les marchés flottants il faudra bien prévoir une journée.
Pour bien aimer un pays il faut le manger, le boire et l’entendre chanter. (Michel Déon)
J'éliminerais Sadec, pas terrible, et ferais
Jour 1 : Bus Saigon-Cai Be (visite des maisons anciennes du quartier de Dong Hoa Hiep et délicieux déjeuner dans la plus belle, celle de Mme KIET), puis ferry CB-ile de An Binh + moto-taxi jetée-excellente maison d'hôtes Ngoc Phuong dans le village de An Binh (vs traversez tte l'ile en moto)
J 2 : balade vélo ds l'ile + ferry AB VIllage-Vinh Long + bus VL-Can Tho (excellent pt hôtel Thanh Thui 66 Hai Ba Trung St et restaurant Phuong Nam juste à côté
J 3 : marché flottant de Cai rang + bus retour Saigon
Jour 1 : Bus Saigon-Cai Be (visite des maisons anciennes du quartier de Dong Hoa Hiep et délicieux déjeuner dans la plus belle, celle de Mme KIET), puis ferry CB-ile de An Binh + moto-taxi jetée-excellente maison d'hôtes Ngoc Phuong dans le village de An Binh (vs traversez tte l'ile en moto)
J 2 : balade vélo ds l'ile + ferry AB VIllage-Vinh Long + bus VL-Can Tho (excellent pt hôtel Thanh Thui 66 Hai Ba Trung St et restaurant Phuong Nam juste à côté
J 3 : marché flottant de Cai rang + bus retour Saigon
Méfiez-vous de la vie, car les ratés ne vous rateront pas!
Décevant à mon avis. Il reste très peu de maisons coloniales ; la visite de la fameuse Maison de l'Amant prend une demi-heure et celle du Mandarin pareil, et aucun restaurant digne de ce nom. On parle des jardins d'horticulteurs en banlieue; ça consiste en milliers de pots de fleurs alignés sur de étagères. J'ai été très déçu. Mon opinion évidement !
Méfiez-vous de la vie, car les ratés ne vous rateront pas!
C'est aussi mon avis surtout qu'en 3 jours on ne peut visiter tout le delta, des choix s'imposent.
Mais notre amie a sans doute çà dans les programmes de son agence.....🤪 d'où sa question....
Pour bien aimer un pays il faut le manger, le boire et l’entendre chanter. (Michel Déon)
Bof, rien de spécial dans les tablettes des agences de voyage, en tout de celle de Vietnam insolite.
Déçue, rien de transcendant dans le Mékong.
En plus le voyage de 3 jours s'est rétrécie à 2 jours pour cause de coronavirus (eh oui, ils m'ont vendu le voyage et après, personne ne faisant le 3 j on me fait revenir le 2e jour).
ça fait un an que je suis là, la mentalité viet, je commence à connaître.
Avec un peu de retard, merci à tous en tout cas pour vos infos.
Myriam
Myriam
Bonjour,
L'ensemble des habitants du Vietnam sont des vietnamiens Les Viet ou Kinh étant une des 54 ethnies (ethnie majoritaire pour les Kinh) Au sud et dans le delta vous rencontrerez des Kinh, des Cham, des Khmers et des Hoa. Ce sera donc la mentalité vietnamienne que vous pensez connaitre à moins que vous ne fassiez le distinguo entre chaque ethnie.
En plein coronavirus il est certain que les prestations n'ont pu être ce que l'on pourrait en attendre. Le delta et en particulier Can Tho ont été affectés, ce qui peut expliquer le manque de qualité. Ceci étant, l'agence aurait du vous en aviser avant, raccourcir le séjour sans préavis ne se fait pas!
Le delta a son charme, il faut du temps, 3 jours sont un minimum, nous vous recommandions plus . En 2 jours vous ne pouvez juger de son intérêt, il vous faudra revenir.
L'ensemble des habitants du Vietnam sont des vietnamiens Les Viet ou Kinh étant une des 54 ethnies (ethnie majoritaire pour les Kinh) Au sud et dans le delta vous rencontrerez des Kinh, des Cham, des Khmers et des Hoa. Ce sera donc la mentalité vietnamienne que vous pensez connaitre à moins que vous ne fassiez le distinguo entre chaque ethnie.
En plein coronavirus il est certain que les prestations n'ont pu être ce que l'on pourrait en attendre. Le delta et en particulier Can Tho ont été affectés, ce qui peut expliquer le manque de qualité. Ceci étant, l'agence aurait du vous en aviser avant, raccourcir le séjour sans préavis ne se fait pas!
Le delta a son charme, il faut du temps, 3 jours sont un minimum, nous vous recommandions plus . En 2 jours vous ne pouvez juger de son intérêt, il vous faudra revenir.
Pour bien aimer un pays il faut le manger, le boire et l’entendre chanter. (Michel Déon)
Bonsoir
Je garde un très bon souvenir de Sadec , petite ville très tranquille, de jolies petites rues étroites enjambant les arroyos par des ponts très arqués e un marché terrestre qui nous a plu . Sans oublier des balades possibles avec une petite barque sur les différents "Rạch" pour découvrir la vie locale , les pécheurs etc... chacun sa perception de cette ville . Sans oublier l'emprunte de Marguerite Duras . Eric
Je garde un très bon souvenir de Sadec , petite ville très tranquille, de jolies petites rues étroites enjambant les arroyos par des ponts très arqués e un marché terrestre qui nous a plu . Sans oublier des balades possibles avec une petite barque sur les différents "Rạch" pour découvrir la vie locale , les pécheurs etc... chacun sa perception de cette ville . Sans oublier l'emprunte de Marguerite Duras . Eric
HENON Eric
Bonsoir
Je garde un très bon souvenir de Sadec , petite ville très tranquille, de jolies petites rues étroites enjambant les arroyos par des ponts très arqués e un marché terrestre qui nous a plu . Sans oublier des balades possibles avec une petite barque sur les différents "Rạch" pour découvrir la vie locale , les pécheurs etc... chacun sa perception de cette ville . Sans oublier l'emprunte de Marguerite Duras . Eric
Bonjour Eric,
Vous avez raison, je tempère donc mon propos... Sadec est bien une petite ville très tranquille qui peut avoir son charme pour qui a le temps de flâner et de se perdre un peu. Mais, avec agence et dans les programmes tels qu'ils sont souvent proposés elle ne laissera pas un souvenir impérissable au touriste comparée à d'autres lieux du Mékong. Visitée trop vite, allant de la maison de l'amant aux jardins de pots de fleurs...elle mérite plus "qu'un un petit tour et puis s'en vont"... Ce que vous y avez découvert n'est hélas que peu souvent proposé et accepté faute de temps...
Je garde un très bon souvenir de Sadec , petite ville très tranquille, de jolies petites rues étroites enjambant les arroyos par des ponts très arqués e un marché terrestre qui nous a plu . Sans oublier des balades possibles avec une petite barque sur les différents "Rạch" pour découvrir la vie locale , les pécheurs etc... chacun sa perception de cette ville . Sans oublier l'emprunte de Marguerite Duras . Eric
Bonjour Eric,
Vous avez raison, je tempère donc mon propos... Sadec est bien une petite ville très tranquille qui peut avoir son charme pour qui a le temps de flâner et de se perdre un peu. Mais, avec agence et dans les programmes tels qu'ils sont souvent proposés elle ne laissera pas un souvenir impérissable au touriste comparée à d'autres lieux du Mékong. Visitée trop vite, allant de la maison de l'amant aux jardins de pots de fleurs...elle mérite plus "qu'un un petit tour et puis s'en vont"... Ce que vous y avez découvert n'est hélas que peu souvent proposé et accepté faute de temps...
Pour bien aimer un pays il faut le manger, le boire et l’entendre chanter. (Michel Déon)
Pour être tranquille, c'est tranquille !
Emprunte, emprunte.... Je ne suis même pas sûr que M. Duras ait jamais mis les pieds dans la "Maison de l'Amant", qui était en fait celle du riche père d'un jeune chinois avec lequel elle fricotait à Saigon où elle était pensionnaire au lycée Chasseloup Laubat en 1930. En fait, la maison des Duras a disparu et la seule "emprunte" est l'école où enseignait sa mère, qui ressemble à n'importe quelle école du Vietnam.
A noter que les scènes du film avec la maison n'ont pas été tournées dans la maison qu'on visite, à l'époque un poste de police, mais dans une autre repeinte en rose pour la circonstance, ainsi que dans le belle maison du mandarin Binh Thuy, pas facile à trouver dans la grande banlieue de Can Tho.
Emprunte, emprunte.... Je ne suis même pas sûr que M. Duras ait jamais mis les pieds dans la "Maison de l'Amant", qui était en fait celle du riche père d'un jeune chinois avec lequel elle fricotait à Saigon où elle était pensionnaire au lycée Chasseloup Laubat en 1930. En fait, la maison des Duras a disparu et la seule "emprunte" est l'école où enseignait sa mère, qui ressemble à n'importe quelle école du Vietnam.
A noter que les scènes du film avec la maison n'ont pas été tournées dans la maison qu'on visite, à l'époque un poste de police, mais dans une autre repeinte en rose pour la circonstance, ainsi que dans le belle maison du mandarin Binh Thuy, pas facile à trouver dans la grande banlieue de Can Tho.
Méfiez-vous de la vie, car les ratés ne vous rateront pas!
Bonjour
Pour moi la question était simple "C'est joli Sadec non ?" j'ai juste essayé de répondre en fonction de ma perception lors de ma visite de cette ville . Agence pas agence , dans programme ou pas programme m'a semblé hors questionnement . D'accord ma petite phrase sur M;Duras était hors propos .
@Larsay merci pour cette partie historique mais Sadec ne se résume pas, pour moi, à la maison de l'Amant , vraie ou fausse ? la question étant elle est jolie ou non.
N'importe comment je doute qu'il revienne sur ce post et vos commentaires à tous deux serviront à d'autres .
Bonne journée t bonne soirée pour Jacques
Eric
Pour moi la question était simple "C'est joli Sadec non ?" j'ai juste essayé de répondre en fonction de ma perception lors de ma visite de cette ville . Agence pas agence , dans programme ou pas programme m'a semblé hors questionnement . D'accord ma petite phrase sur M;Duras était hors propos .
@Larsay merci pour cette partie historique mais Sadec ne se résume pas, pour moi, à la maison de l'Amant , vraie ou fausse ? la question étant elle est jolie ou non.
N'importe comment je doute qu'il revienne sur ce post et vos commentaires à tous deux serviront à d'autres .
Bonne journée t bonne soirée pour Jacques
Eric
HENON Eric
Bon, Sadec, ça peut être sympa (j'y ai passé une nuit). J'ai trouvé déplorable le cadre de la maison de l'Amant, au milieu des échoppes de tuyaux en plastique, de générateurs et de quincaillerie, plus le côté lugubre des "chambres" proposées dans la maison et pas cadeau ! ( par contre, j'ai bien appércié les 2 petites mignonnes qui reçoivent en gazouillant du français 😏 ) . En fait, j'ai eu l'impression que les édiles locaux se foutent de tout ; il faut voir la "gare routière". Je préfère Cai Be
Bon dimanche
Bon dimanche
Méfiez-vous de la vie, car les ratés ne vous rateront pas!
C'est à se demander si il y a encore de belles villes au Vietnam, hormis les vieux quartiers de Hanoi, Hoi An et Hué.
Comparé aux dizaines de milliers de villages français bourrés de charme et bien préservés, je trouve que la terre de mes ancêtres fait pale figure.
Et pourtant, c'eut été beau jadis....
Comparé aux dizaines de milliers de villages français bourrés de charme et bien préservés, je trouve que la terre de mes ancêtres fait pale figure.
Et pourtant, c'eut été beau jadis....
Mais bien sur qu'il y a de beaux villages au Vietnam! 😏
Il suffit de chercher un peu et surtout de savoir ce que vous entendez par belles villes ou beaux villages... Hué, Hoi An et Hoan Kiem à Hanoï sont bien préservés mais très touristiques...ceci expliquant cela... Sadec n'est pas à écarter comme vous le dit Eric, ce n'est simplement à mon sens pas à visiter à la va vite!
Il suffit de chercher un peu et surtout de savoir ce que vous entendez par belles villes ou beaux villages... Hué, Hoi An et Hoan Kiem à Hanoï sont bien préservés mais très touristiques...ceci expliquant cela... Sadec n'est pas à écarter comme vous le dit Eric, ce n'est simplement à mon sens pas à visiter à la va vite!
Pour bien aimer un pays il faut le manger, le boire et l’entendre chanter. (Michel Déon)
Il y a encore des milliers de villages bien préservés, il suffit de s'écarter des grands axes touristiques. Rien que dans le delta du Mékong, qui va par exemple à l'ile du Tigre ? C'est toujours du Ben Tre/An Binh et Cie dans les programmes d'agences
Méfiez-vous de la vie, car les ratés ne vous rateront pas!
Bonsoir Phuong
Votre message me rassure avec votre opinion sur l'île du Tigre , je n'osais pas m'exprimer sur cet endroit mais nous partageons totalement votre " C'est gentillet mais pas renversant" . Déçu , j'en déduisais que j'avais du louper quelque chose sur cette île et pour tant malgré le soleil nous avions longtemps marché en bord de route après avoir vu la maison de l'ancien président, son avion et du coup demi-tour et nous avons repris le bateau pour retourner en ville que nous conseillons comme étape . Bonne soirée Eric
Votre message me rassure avec votre opinion sur l'île du Tigre , je n'osais pas m'exprimer sur cet endroit mais nous partageons totalement votre " C'est gentillet mais pas renversant" . Déçu , j'en déduisais que j'avais du louper quelque chose sur cette île et pour tant malgré le soleil nous avions longtemps marché en bord de route après avoir vu la maison de l'ancien président, son avion et du coup demi-tour et nous avons repris le bateau pour retourner en ville que nous conseillons comme étape . Bonne soirée Eric
HENON Eric
Ce qu'il faut, c'est se balader en vélo sur les petites allées qui s'enfoncent dans la forêt et taillis ; on tombe sur des chenaux et de vieilles maisons... et des locaux très sympas, essentiellement des Hoa Hao (photos ; celle de la belle maison est la maison d'hôtes de M. Gia, au bord 'un petit chenal et où on se régale) ; on peut y passer la journée sans être sur la grande route
Méfiez-vous de la vie, car les ratés ne vous rateront pas!
Bonjour,
C'est certain qu'au Vietnam vous ne trouverez pas les villages du Lubéron ou du pays basque 😏 Certains datent du moyen age, sont des points fortifiés...vous n'aurez pas çà au Vietnam, l'architecture n'y a pas cette envergure ou du moins cette pérennité.
Un de mes amis me faisait remarquer récemment et je le site ici: "le peuple vietnamien est, à la base, un peuple de paysans, évoluant dans un environnement naturel pauvre....ce n'est pas un peuple de bâtisseurs et le peu de bâti ancien a été réalisé avec des techniques non durables dans un climat hostile ... si on met à part l'héritage du royaume du Champa, quelques vestiges coloniaux, (quelques villages anciens) il n'existe que très peu d'éléments de mémoire durables purement vietnamiens..."
Cependant des villages du Vietnam ont un charme indéniable, notamment ceux des ethnies, donc, très souvent situés plus au centre et nord du pays. Leur architecture puise ses matériaux dans la nature, bois, bambou, palme, rotin, latanier, terre, chaume de riz...j'en ai vu de très beaux.
Si vous voulez plus de "monuments" orientez vous alors vers, les palais (Hué - Dalat, par exemple), temples, tombeaux, maisons communales et maisons centenaires (aussi dans le delta et à Sa Dec) ou vers quelques villages anciens du delta du fleuve rouge.
C'est certain qu'au Vietnam vous ne trouverez pas les villages du Lubéron ou du pays basque 😏 Certains datent du moyen age, sont des points fortifiés...vous n'aurez pas çà au Vietnam, l'architecture n'y a pas cette envergure ou du moins cette pérennité.
Un de mes amis me faisait remarquer récemment et je le site ici: "le peuple vietnamien est, à la base, un peuple de paysans, évoluant dans un environnement naturel pauvre....ce n'est pas un peuple de bâtisseurs et le peu de bâti ancien a été réalisé avec des techniques non durables dans un climat hostile ... si on met à part l'héritage du royaume du Champa, quelques vestiges coloniaux, (quelques villages anciens) il n'existe que très peu d'éléments de mémoire durables purement vietnamiens..."
Cependant des villages du Vietnam ont un charme indéniable, notamment ceux des ethnies, donc, très souvent situés plus au centre et nord du pays. Leur architecture puise ses matériaux dans la nature, bois, bambou, palme, rotin, latanier, terre, chaume de riz...j'en ai vu de très beaux.
Si vous voulez plus de "monuments" orientez vous alors vers, les palais (Hué - Dalat, par exemple), temples, tombeaux, maisons communales et maisons centenaires (aussi dans le delta et à Sa Dec) ou vers quelques villages anciens du delta du fleuve rouge.
Pour bien aimer un pays il faut le manger, le boire et l’entendre chanter. (Michel Déon)
Pas si fou que ça, tant s'en faut. Son bouddhisme simplifié était excellent, ce qui explique son succès auprès des nha quê. Ce sont les Français, qu'il commençait à gêner, car il prônait également l'indépendance, qui l'ont baptisé ainsi pour justifier son internement dans un asile. Détail amusant, il a réussi en peu de temps à y convertir et le docteur et les infirmières.
Toujours est-il que ce n'est pas la maison d'hôtes, qui est celle avec un jardin devant. Ces Hoa Hao m'ont fait signe en me voyant passer en vélo pour que je vienne grignoter et boire le thé avec eux. Des durs à cuire !
Toujours est-il que ce n'est pas la maison d'hôtes, qui est celle avec un jardin devant. Ces Hoa Hao m'ont fait signe en me voyant passer en vélo pour que je vienne grignoter et boire le thé avec eux. Des durs à cuire !
Méfiez-vous de la vie, car les ratés ne vous rateront pas!
Bonjour à tous,
A notre dernier passage dans le Delta en février, nous avons eu beaucoup de plaisir à nous promener justement dans l'île de An Binh (Vinh Long) et l'île du Tigre (Long Xuyen).
Comme dit très justement dans les précédents messages, rien d'extraordinaire mais plein d'impressions, à la découverte d'un Vietnam quotidien et paisible ; il faut "juste" avoir un peu de temps pour un minimum d'immersion (en 2 roues pour nous, vélo sur l'ile du Tigre et scooter pour An Binh).
Une courte vidéo (4 mn) de nos ressentis sur l'île du Tigre : https://youtu.be/9muflmnOSMo
Vous pourrez, en fin de vidéo, cliquer sur un choix de vignettes, notamment "Balade sur l'île de An Binh" si vous voulez continuer dans le Delta.
Une courte vidéo (4 mn) de nos ressentis sur l'île du Tigre : https://youtu.be/9muflmnOSMo
Vous pourrez, en fin de vidéo, cliquer sur un choix de vignettes, notamment "Balade sur l'île de An Binh" si vous voulez continuer dans le Delta.
Nos albums/carnets et vidéos de voyages dans mon profil, ainsi que:
http://pagesperso-orange.fr/miguel.angulo/
Bonsoir
Merci pour cette vidéo qui me montre un aspect très différent de ce que j'avais vu lors de mon passage sur cette île , balade d'environ 2h a rechercher ce que j'avais trouver sur les autres îles du Mékong , ces petits villages isolés , ces maisons en bois, ces allées pas encore recouvertes de dalles de béton pour y faire du 2 roues . Il faut donc que je retourne dans cette île parcourue il y a très longtemps . trop longtemps votre témoignage m'a convaincu . Bonne soirée Eric
Merci pour cette vidéo qui me montre un aspect très différent de ce que j'avais vu lors de mon passage sur cette île , balade d'environ 2h a rechercher ce que j'avais trouver sur les autres îles du Mékong , ces petits villages isolés , ces maisons en bois, ces allées pas encore recouvertes de dalles de béton pour y faire du 2 roues . Il faut donc que je retourne dans cette île parcourue il y a très longtemps . trop longtemps votre témoignage m'a convaincu . Bonne soirée Eric
HENON Eric
ouais bah c'est fou. Je reviens à l'instant d'Eze village, perché sur un piton rocheux au dessus de la méditerranée, ça a une autre allure. Demain route pour découvrir les villages de l'arrière pays niçois + gorges du Verdon ça promet autre chose.
Pour moi le Vietnam est mort.
A voir cette photo d'un delta du Mékong souillé
Pour moi le Vietnam est mort.
A voir cette photo d'un delta du Mékong souillé
Vous exagérez vraiment trop ! Je connais très bien Eze Village, André Rochat, ancien propriétaire du fabuleux hôtel Château Eza, était un ami et j'y dormais à l'oeil. Le site est magnifique, mais la baie d'Along, le col du Ma Pi Leng, les chutes de Ban Gioc, le lac Babe et autres ne sont pas mal non plus ! Et puis, à Eze Village en juillet at août, il y a autant de touristes que dans vos petits canots 😕 Si vous voulez parler défiguration de sites magnifiques, la Tour Montparnasse, un vrai canadle au coeur du Vieux Paris, le béton de la Côte d'Azur et celui des stations de sports d'hiver des Alpes, entre autres, ne sont pas tristes non plus.
VIETNAM PAS MORT, loin de là !!!!
VIETNAM PAS MORT, loin de là !!!!
Méfiez-vous de la vie, car les ratés ne vous rateront pas!
Pas très surprise de votre réaction, je l'attendais presque, hélas...😕
Le Vietnam, heureusement ne se cantonne pas qu'au delta du Mékong....et à l'image que vous mettez intentionnellement en ligne.
L'image en question devrait, elle, vous interpeller, vous qui dites être vietnamienne....😕!
Elle est le triste résultat: - D'une grande sécheresse frappe en ce moment "votre" pays. - Des nombreux barrages , plus de 100, le long du Mékong, majoritairement chinois...ce qui en plus de la sécheresse du au dérèglement climatique amplifient celle ci.
Les pays en aval ( Laos, Birmanie, Thaïlande, Cambodge et Vietnam) sont au bon vouloir des chinois et des lâchés d'eau. En bout de courses, le delta au Vietnam, sa riziculture, ses cultures maraîchères, ses élevages de poissons, et bien entendu le tourisme en pâtissent...
https://www.lecourrier.vn/secheresse-et-salinisation-ravagent-le-delta-du-mekong/713064.html
Le Vietnam, heureusement ne se cantonne pas qu'au delta du Mékong....et à l'image que vous mettez intentionnellement en ligne.
L'image en question devrait, elle, vous interpeller, vous qui dites être vietnamienne....😕!
Elle est le triste résultat: - D'une grande sécheresse frappe en ce moment "votre" pays. - Des nombreux barrages , plus de 100, le long du Mékong, majoritairement chinois...ce qui en plus de la sécheresse du au dérèglement climatique amplifient celle ci.
Les pays en aval ( Laos, Birmanie, Thaïlande, Cambodge et Vietnam) sont au bon vouloir des chinois et des lâchés d'eau. En bout de courses, le delta au Vietnam, sa riziculture, ses cultures maraîchères, ses élevages de poissons, et bien entendu le tourisme en pâtissent...
https://www.lecourrier.vn/secheresse-et-salinisation-ravagent-le-delta-du-mekong/713064.html
Pour bien aimer un pays il faut le manger, le boire et l’entendre chanter. (Michel Déon)
les très beaux sites au Vietnam, il y a combien ? une vingtaine à tout casser. En France 10 à 20 fois plus et beaucoup plus préservés.
Halong est devenu ultra touristique, Ma Pi Leng en passe de le devenir avec une guesthouse hideuse qui s' y est installée.
Je préfère de loin les aiguilles du midi, les cirques de Mafate ou de Navacelles, le Vercors ou les calanques de Piana.
Il y a une quinzaine d'années j'ai été émerveillée par le Vietnam. Maintenant que je redécouvre la France, je trouve que le Vietnam fait en fait pâle figure surtout ces dernières années où le pays est littéralement massacré.
Halong est devenu ultra touristique, Ma Pi Leng en passe de le devenir avec une guesthouse hideuse qui s' y est installée.
Je préfère de loin les aiguilles du midi, les cirques de Mafate ou de Navacelles, le Vercors ou les calanques de Piana.
Il y a une quinzaine d'années j'ai été émerveillée par le Vietnam. Maintenant que je redécouvre la France, je trouve que le Vietnam fait en fait pâle figure surtout ces dernières années où le pays est littéralement massacré.
Comme c'est étrange votre ressemblance avec un visiteur de ce forum qui y a fait de multiples entrées suivies de sorties tout aussi multiples...
Même phrasé, même usage de superlatifs de dénigrement du Vietnam...
Hum...difficile de passer inaperçu (au masculin!) !!
Hum...difficile de passer inaperçu (au masculin!) !!
Pour bien aimer un pays il faut le manger, le boire et l’entendre chanter. (Michel Déon)
Bonjour
Anphuong a simplement écrit : "Pour moi le Vietnam est mort."
Elle ou il n'a plus le droit d'exprimer un avis personnel sur ce forum !!! comme je l'ai fait pour l'île aux tigres .
Si le partage n'est plus toléré où va ce forum ?
Eric
Anphuong a simplement écrit : "Pour moi le Vietnam est mort."
Elle ou il n'a plus le droit d'exprimer un avis personnel sur ce forum !!! comme je l'ai fait pour l'île aux tigres .
Si le partage n'est plus toléré où va ce forum ?
Eric
HENON Eric
les très beaux sites au Vietnam, il y a combien ? une vingtaine à tout casser.
Pour commencer, plus de 3000 km de côte au Vietnam. Vous les avez tous faits ?
Une vingtaines de sites ? Un site, c'est dans une région ; j'en connais une vingtaine et plus magnifqiues rien que dans la région entre la route Lang Son-Cao Bang et la frontière chinoise. Par ex., Dong Khé, oum je suis déjà allé 5 fois sans jamais y voir un touriste, ni dans le bourg, ni en bas des falaises de Coc Xa (vous connaissez ?), ni dans la fantatsique zone entre DK et la frontière chinoise. Et toute la région au nord de Cao Bang ? Et toute celle au nord et à l'ouest de Bao Lac, de Dong Van, de Meo Vac (Sin Chai) ? Et Hoang Su PHi et au nord (Then Chu Phin), le nord de Bac Ha (Ta Van Chu, Pha Long et Muong Khuong), et le pays des Ha Ni au nord de Sapa (Muong Hum et Ity), les montagnes au nord du nouveau Lai Chau (il parait qu'il y a là une "montagne mythique"), et Sin Hô, et les montagnes à l'ouest de la route Son La-Mai Chau (Kia), et le Pu Luong ? Vous connaissez tout ça dans le Nord ? Ca fait un sacré paquet de choses magnifiques, et la liste est très loin d'être exhaustive ! Et si on descend : Vinh Lôc ? les montagnes des Co Tu à l'ouest de Huê (Ai Luoi), la région autour de Kontum (Kon Jari, etc.), les montagnes au nord et à l'ouest de Dalat, vous connaissez aussi ? Jamais vu un touriste là-dedans non plus, ni de béton !
La France est très belle, mais il y a autant de destructions de beaux sites qu'ailleurs, surtout dans "votre" Côte d'Azur (je l'ai connue avec mes parents dans les années 50, vous voulez que je vous explique comment c'était ????). Je ne vais pas me fatiguer à poster des photos de tout cela, j'en ai des centaines, et pas choisies pour la circonstance comme celle que vous avez postée comme si c'était typique du Vietnam (vous voulez des photos de chenaux vides de touristes dans le delta du Mékong ?)
Pour commencer, plus de 3000 km de côte au Vietnam. Vous les avez tous faits ?
Une vingtaines de sites ? Un site, c'est dans une région ; j'en connais une vingtaine et plus magnifqiues rien que dans la région entre la route Lang Son-Cao Bang et la frontière chinoise. Par ex., Dong Khé, oum je suis déjà allé 5 fois sans jamais y voir un touriste, ni dans le bourg, ni en bas des falaises de Coc Xa (vous connaissez ?), ni dans la fantatsique zone entre DK et la frontière chinoise. Et toute la région au nord de Cao Bang ? Et toute celle au nord et à l'ouest de Bao Lac, de Dong Van, de Meo Vac (Sin Chai) ? Et Hoang Su PHi et au nord (Then Chu Phin), le nord de Bac Ha (Ta Van Chu, Pha Long et Muong Khuong), et le pays des Ha Ni au nord de Sapa (Muong Hum et Ity), les montagnes au nord du nouveau Lai Chau (il parait qu'il y a là une "montagne mythique"), et Sin Hô, et les montagnes à l'ouest de la route Son La-Mai Chau (Kia), et le Pu Luong ? Vous connaissez tout ça dans le Nord ? Ca fait un sacré paquet de choses magnifiques, et la liste est très loin d'être exhaustive ! Et si on descend : Vinh Lôc ? les montagnes des Co Tu à l'ouest de Huê (Ai Luoi), la région autour de Kontum (Kon Jari, etc.), les montagnes au nord et à l'ouest de Dalat, vous connaissez aussi ? Jamais vu un touriste là-dedans non plus, ni de béton !
La France est très belle, mais il y a autant de destructions de beaux sites qu'ailleurs, surtout dans "votre" Côte d'Azur (je l'ai connue avec mes parents dans les années 50, vous voulez que je vous explique comment c'était ????). Je ne vais pas me fatiguer à poster des photos de tout cela, j'en ai des centaines, et pas choisies pour la circonstance comme celle que vous avez postée comme si c'était typique du Vietnam (vous voulez des photos de chenaux vides de touristes dans le delta du Mékong ?)
Méfiez-vous de la vie, car les ratés ne vous rateront pas!
Bonjour
Anphuong a simplement écrit : "Pour moi le Vietnam est mort."
Elle ou il n'a plus le droit d'exprimer un avis personnel sur ce forum !!! comme je l'ai fait pour l'île aux tigres .
Si le partage n'est plus toléré où va ce forum ?
Eric
Bonjour Eric,
Bien entendu que chacun peut s'exprimer ici, moi y compris! Si le Vietnam est mort pour cet intervenant c'est son droit de le dire! Que vous lui fassiez crédit est le votre. Le partage est tout à fait toléré à condition, pour moi, qu'il soit de bonne foi!
Illustrer juste en dessous de son propos: "Pour moi le Vietnam est mort." avec une photo (en période de sécheresse) de Con Lan - île du Phenix - Cù lao Thới Sơn (proche My Tho) sur un des arroyos de la rivière Tien.... n'est sans doute pas tout à fait sans intentions... https://www.alamyimages.fr/les-gens-sur-les-bateaux-sampan-sur-des-canaux-sur-con-lan-unicorn-island-pres-de-my-tho-le-delta-du-mekong-vietnam-image278647347.html
https://goo.gl/maps/L2x1qv4HDXuDrJUz8 A 90 km de Sai Gon et 140 km de cu lao My Hoa Hung...
Rien n'est parfait ici en France comme au Vietnam mais cet endroit, Con Lan, est bien le dernier représentatif d'un delta authentique, c'est une succession sans fin de pirogues, tout le monde est presque à la file, il y a des bouchons et des grands chocs lorsque les pirogues se percutent... Le delta, vous en conviendrez, vous le connaissez 😉, ce n'est pas que çà, il me semble.
Le plus important dans tout çà c'est bien qu'il y ait encore des personnes qui trouvent crédit et plaisir à visiter le Vietnam, pays attachant et aussi pourquoi pas la France...😉, l'un n'empêchant pas l'autre.
Bien à vous Fabienne
Anphuong a simplement écrit : "Pour moi le Vietnam est mort."
Elle ou il n'a plus le droit d'exprimer un avis personnel sur ce forum !!! comme je l'ai fait pour l'île aux tigres .
Si le partage n'est plus toléré où va ce forum ?
Eric
Bonjour Eric,
Bien entendu que chacun peut s'exprimer ici, moi y compris! Si le Vietnam est mort pour cet intervenant c'est son droit de le dire! Que vous lui fassiez crédit est le votre. Le partage est tout à fait toléré à condition, pour moi, qu'il soit de bonne foi!
Illustrer juste en dessous de son propos: "Pour moi le Vietnam est mort." avec une photo (en période de sécheresse) de Con Lan - île du Phenix - Cù lao Thới Sơn (proche My Tho) sur un des arroyos de la rivière Tien.... n'est sans doute pas tout à fait sans intentions... https://www.alamyimages.fr/les-gens-sur-les-bateaux-sampan-sur-des-canaux-sur-con-lan-unicorn-island-pres-de-my-tho-le-delta-du-mekong-vietnam-image278647347.html
https://goo.gl/maps/L2x1qv4HDXuDrJUz8 A 90 km de Sai Gon et 140 km de cu lao My Hoa Hung...
Rien n'est parfait ici en France comme au Vietnam mais cet endroit, Con Lan, est bien le dernier représentatif d'un delta authentique, c'est une succession sans fin de pirogues, tout le monde est presque à la file, il y a des bouchons et des grands chocs lorsque les pirogues se percutent... Le delta, vous en conviendrez, vous le connaissez 😉, ce n'est pas que çà, il me semble.
Le plus important dans tout çà c'est bien qu'il y ait encore des personnes qui trouvent crédit et plaisir à visiter le Vietnam, pays attachant et aussi pourquoi pas la France...😉, l'un n'empêchant pas l'autre.
Bien à vous Fabienne
Pour bien aimer un pays il faut le manger, le boire et l’entendre chanter. (Michel Déon)
Je connais la plupart des endroits que vous citez. Effectivement ce sont des sites naturels splendides, à mon goût.
Mais pour revenir à l'esthétique des maisons anciennes vietnamiennes, on en trouve aussi de très belles comme celles des Edés à Buôn Ma Thuôt avec même des jardins d'agrément 😉 très bien entretenus. Nous y sommes passés en 2008 et ce fut une très belle surprise.
Mais pour revenir à l'esthétique des maisons anciennes vietnamiennes, on en trouve aussi de très belles comme celles des Edés à Buôn Ma Thuôt avec même des jardins d'agrément 😉 très bien entretenus. Nous y sommes passés en 2008 et ce fut une très belle surprise.
Aller jusqu'au bout de ses rêves est la plus belle des destinations
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Bonjour à tous.
je prépare mon voyage et d'après tous les post lus, ce pays est incroyable.
Evidemment j'ai une tonne de questions à vous poser.
voici l'itinéraire possible - Vientiane - Vang Vien - Phonsavan - Sam Neua - Nong Khiaw + villages - Phongsali - Luanh Namtha et région - Udomxai - Huay Xai - Luang Prabang et retour sur Vientiane
qu'en pensez-vous ?
nous allons privilégié les transports locaux, est-il possible d'effectuer cette boucle ?
Nous aimerions également faire du kayak mais je ne sais pas si la saison s'y prête et quel est le meilleur endroit pour le faire.
Concernant le trekking - j'ai lu de Phongsali était le spot le plus authentique pour visiter les villages et la faune ? - connaissez-vous une agence sérieuse et une guesthouse qui pratiquent des prix raisonnables ?
cela vaut-il le coup de prendre un bateau lent pour un trajet sur le Mékong et si oui quel trajet ?
Concernant les hébergements, est il préférable de passer par booking et Agoda ou chercher en arrivant ?
est ce que les moustiques sont voraces au Laos et faut-il un traitement contre le paludisme ? quel est le budget moyen par jour environ (hébergement - nourriture- visite)
est-ce une bonne option de louer des scooters pour visiter les villes et si oui lesquelles ?
d'après ce que je lis, il est préférable d'avoir des espèces sur soi - euros ou dollars ? ce n'est pas trop dangereux de se promener avec autant de billets ?
j'ai encore des tas de questions . Merci à ceux qui peuvent m'aider et preneuse de tout conseils, infos etc... encore merci
Concernant les hébergements, est il préférable de passer par booking et Agoda ou chercher en arrivant ?
est ce que les moustiques sont voraces au Laos et faut-il un traitement contre le paludisme ? quel est le budget moyen par jour environ (hébergement - nourriture- visite)
est-ce une bonne option de louer des scooters pour visiter les villes et si oui lesquelles ?
d'après ce que je lis, il est préférable d'avoir des espèces sur soi - euros ou dollars ? ce n'est pas trop dangereux de se promener avec autant de billets ?
j'ai encore des tas de questions . Merci à ceux qui peuvent m'aider et preneuse de tout conseils, infos etc... encore merci
Hi there,
I’m planning a family trip (my wife and I, both 47, and our two sons, aged 5 and 12) to Malaysia for the last week of June and the first two weeks of July 2027.
We used to love road trips as a couple, then as a trio, but since our second child arrived, we’ve taken a break with "camping village" style trips.
Now feels like the right time to get back to our old habits, while adjusting the pace for the kids.
We’re craving Asia. We’ve been lucky enough to visit Thailand, Indonesia (Bali and Lombok), and Sri Lanka before.
Friends have raved about Malaysia, so we’re definitely tempted.
For those who know and love Malaysia, what would be a good itinerary starting from Kuala Lumpur, with a maximum of 3-4 stops? We’d like a mix of culture, nature, and relaxation (just to clarify, we’re not big beach fans). All of this without rushing, of course.
Thanks in advance for your tips!
For those who know and love Malaysia, what would be a good itinerary starting from Kuala Lumpur, with a maximum of 3-4 stops? We’d like a mix of culture, nature, and relaxation (just to clarify, we’re not big beach fans). All of this without rushing, of course.
Thanks in advance for your tips!
Bonjour, qui serait sur place en ce moment à Flores? d apres des sites internet, tout serait fermé, la situation serait difficile ; notre guide dirait que ça va ; qui croire? nous sommes censés partir le 2 septembre ; merci à celles et ceux qui sont à Flores en ce moment
Hello,
We’re a family of four with two teens aged 16 and 18. We’re heading to Thailand this summer. We’ll arrive in Bangkok and plan to take a flight to Luang Prabang.
I’ve seen there are some great visits and excursions to do (temples, markets, waterfalls) and maybe even venture a bit north to places like Nong Khiaw, Muang Xay, Muang Ngoy, or Oudom Xay.
But I’ve also heard about the Bokeo region with the Gibbon Experience.
Since we won’t be able to do everything, I’d love to hear about your experiences, impressions, and advice on the two options I’m considering, especially since we’ll be meeting family in Chiang Mai, Thailand, afterward.
Option 1: A loop from Luang Prabang heading slightly north, then a flight from Luang Prabang to Chiang Mai.
Option 2: A few days in Luang Prabang, exploring within a few dozen kilometers around, then heading to Bokeo province for the 2-day/1-night Gibbon Experience. For this option, I saw on Rome2Rio that it’s possible to book a ferry trip on the Mekong from Luang Prabang to Huay Xay—they mention about 8 hours. But is that realistic? What type of boat is it? Then, to get to Chiang Mai, there aren’t many options—bus or minivan—but how does crossing the border work?
Finally, for those of you who’ve been to Laos in August, what was the weather like? We’ve already visited Thailand, Vietnam, and Cambodia during the same period over the past four years and weren’t really bothered by bad weather.
Thanks for your feedback! Best regards, Aurélien
Option 1: A loop from Luang Prabang heading slightly north, then a flight from Luang Prabang to Chiang Mai.
Option 2: A few days in Luang Prabang, exploring within a few dozen kilometers around, then heading to Bokeo province for the 2-day/1-night Gibbon Experience. For this option, I saw on Rome2Rio that it’s possible to book a ferry trip on the Mekong from Luang Prabang to Huay Xay—they mention about 8 hours. But is that realistic? What type of boat is it? Then, to get to Chiang Mai, there aren’t many options—bus or minivan—but how does crossing the border work?
Finally, for those of you who’ve been to Laos in August, what was the weather like? We’ve already visited Thailand, Vietnam, and Cambodia during the same period over the past four years and weren’t really bothered by bad weather.
Thanks for your feedback! Best regards, Aurélien
I’m starting a discussion about guides in the Mekong Delta because we’ve just finished our trip in this region and had a hard time finding a French-speaking guide. We had Thanh—she speaks French really well and travels all over the delta region, including Ho Chi Minh City. She’s super friendly and flexible. I recommend her wholeheartedly. If it can help someone...
Feel free to contact us for her number.
Hi everyone,
I couldn’t find any recent info on Kuching.
Can anyone recommend a hotel or guesthouse for under 100 RM that’s nice and affordable? No dorms, please.
Also, does it rain a lot in November, and is it still worth visiting Semenggoh or Bako?
Hi there,
We’ll be arriving in Phnom Penh this coming January and we’re thinking of starting our trip with a stop in Kampong Cham, then Kratie.
After Kratie, we’re considering heading toward Siem Reap with a stop in Kampong Thom.
That said, I’m not really sure how long the Kratie–Kampong Thom journey might take or how complicated it is.
Does this stop on the way to Siem Reap seem like a good idea to you? If we don’t visit the Sambor Prei Kuk site, are there still any walks or sights worth checking out in Kampong Thom?
Thanks in advance for your help.
We’ll be arriving in Phnom Penh this coming January and we’re thinking of starting our trip with a stop in Kampong Cham, then Kratie.
After Kratie, we’re considering heading toward Siem Reap with a stop in Kampong Thom.
That said, I’m not really sure how long the Kratie–Kampong Thom journey might take or how complicated it is.
Does this stop on the way to Siem Reap seem like a good idea to you? If we don’t visit the Sambor Prei Kuk site, are there still any walks or sights worth checking out in Kampong Thom?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Hey everyone,
Silly question—backpack or hard-shell suitcase for the Sepilok, Kinabatangan, Tioman, KL trip? I’m struggling to fit all my son’s and my stuff into the 70L backpack... and I’m thinking a suitcase would be easier, but I’m not sure if it’ll work for getting around.
Thanks! 🙂
Silly question—backpack or hard-shell suitcase for the Sepilok, Kinabatangan, Tioman, KL trip? I’m struggling to fit all my son’s and my stuff into the 70L backpack... and I’m thinking a suitcase would be easier, but I’m not sure if it’ll work for getting around.
Thanks! 🙂
Hi there,
I didn’t plan to return to Thailand this year, but my health conditions mean it’ll be the best place for me to stay between two trips to India. The tourism setup there is so well-organized that it’s the most "comfortable" country for a short visit. Thailand feels too sanitized for my taste, and there’s too much religion, Buddha, and the King, but it’s still the best option given how my health has been evolving. I’d considered two weeks in ThaTon for hiking, but I got too sick from the burn-offs during my trips to the mountains around Chiang Rai. So I’m not sure where to go this year. Definitely not the sea, touristy spots, or the mountains with burn-offs...
Thanks, friends, if you’ve got any suggestions.
Thanks, friends, if you’ve got any suggestions.
Hi everyone,
After a stay on Koh Phayam this coming November, I’d like to spend 2 or 3 days on Koh Phra Thong before heading further south.
Do you think it’s doable to leave Koh Phayam early enough to catch the 10 AM boat from Khura Buri to Koh Phra Thong? The next one isn’t until 4 PM, which would cost me a whole day.
Thanks
After a stay on Koh Phayam this coming November, I’d like to spend 2 or 3 days on Koh Phra Thong before heading further south.
Do you think it’s doable to leave Koh Phayam early enough to catch the 10 AM boat from Khura Buri to Koh Phra Thong? The next one isn’t until 4 PM, which would cost me a whole day.
Thanks
Hi,
I’m planning a trip to Indonesia, specifically Sulawesi and Java, in September for 10 days. I don’t know this part of the world at all—any advice is welcome! I’ll be traveling solo and would also love tips on meeting other travelers or locals.
Thanks
I’m planning a trip to Indonesia, specifically Sulawesi and Java, in September for 10 days. I don’t know this part of the world at all—any advice is welcome! I’ll be traveling solo and would also love tips on meeting other travelers or locals.
Thanks
Hello everyone,
Not long ago, I used to travel as a couple, but my husband has since passed away, and I’ve decided to set off again. The trip I took to Cambodia in January 2025 did me a world of good.
I’m now considering Thailand, a destination we never included in our plans because even 15 years ago, people said it was too touristy. Still, I’m thinking about the itinerary below, but I don’t feel up to arranging buses, trains, or guides on my own while I’m there. I’m looking for one or more drivers and have been in touch with an agency, but their offers are just copy-paste group tours that I don’t want.
So, if you have any contacts, experiences, or advice, I’d be so grateful if you’d share them with me. Here’s my rough plan:
Arrival in Bangkok
Ayutthaya (2 nights)
Kanchanaburi (2 or 3 nights)
Sangkhlaburi/Sai Yok (3 nights)
Sukhothai (2 nights)
Lampang (I’ve planned 3 nights, but that might be a bit much—it depends on what time I arrive in the city)
Chiang Mai
Chiang Dao
Pai
Chiang Rai
I was thinking about the Mae Hong Son loop—thoughts?
What do you think about staying overnight at the Golden Triangle?
When I look online, of course, I can find agencies that organize tours to national parks, etc.
I’m retired but in great physical shape. I’d rather go hiking than sit in hot springs with crowds of tourists who’ve all arranged meet-ups. I don’t want to spend a day at an elephant camp, and I don’t want to visit Karen villages.
I’d love to hear your advice.
Thank you all,
Hi,
On September 1st, we're heading to Kalimantan for six weeks, probably from Pontianak to the Derawan Islands.
I've scoured this site, which is usually my go-to 😉, and others like VoyageForum, but recent info is pretty scarce.
I'd love any tips on places you've visited—our itinerary is still a work in progress.
We're two couples traveling with backpacks, using buses, boats, guesthouses, and homestays.
Thanks in advance!
Hi everyone,
Could you share your thoughts on my 3-week itinerary?
We’re a small group (family + friends) of 12 people, planning to leave around January 21, 2027.
Here’s my itinerary:
3 nights in Bangkok
4 nights in Chiang Mai
3 nights on Koh Samui
3 nights on Koh Phangan
4 nights in Krabi
4 nights in Phuket
I’m also open to any great tips you might have...
Thanks, everyone! Alain.
Hi,
From Malacca to get to Jerantut, is it better to go back to KL and take a bus from there, or take a bus to Tampin and then a train? Any feedback on the "Jungle Train"? (duration, price, comfort, etc.). Thanks
Hi there,
We’re planning a 3-week family trip next summer with our three kids, who’ll be 8, 8, and 7 years old.
After some research, we’re leaning toward Malaysia to combine nature/forests and paradise beaches. The idea is to introduce our kids to the country’s culture, nature, and wildlife.
We want a great trip but without splurging on luxury options like high-end lodges and resorts. We’re looking for comfort with a touch of authenticity—basically, a good middle ground.
I’ve started putting together an itinerary and would love your expert advice and tips to help us build this amazing trip with our little ones.
Day 1: Departure from France
Day 2: Kuala Lumpur Stay at a hotel near the airport or KL Sentral. Just one night.
Day 3: Morning flight to Sandakan (Borneo). Stay in Sepilok
Day 4: Sepilok: * Orangutan Center * Malayan Sun Bear Center * Rainforest Discovery Centre
Day 5: Depart for Kinabatangan. Boat safari in the late afternoon.
Day 6: Sunrise safari. Jungle walk. Evening safari.
Day 7: Final safari. Return to Sandakan.
Flight to Kuala Lumpur, then to Kota Bharu (or overnight transit depending on schedules).
Day 8: Transfer to the port. Boat to the Perhentian Islands.
Days 9 to 13: Perhentian Besar 5 full days. * Snorkeling * Hiking * Turtle watching * Wild beaches * Relaxation
Day 14: Return to the mainland. Bus or private car to Taman Negara.
Days 15 and 16: Taman Negara.
Day 17: Return to Kuala Lumpur.
Day 18: Visit the Petronas Towers or Batu Caves
Day 19: Free day.
Day 20: Return flight.
Thanks in advance, everyone!
Baptiste
After some research, we’re leaning toward Malaysia to combine nature/forests and paradise beaches. The idea is to introduce our kids to the country’s culture, nature, and wildlife.
We want a great trip but without splurging on luxury options like high-end lodges and resorts. We’re looking for comfort with a touch of authenticity—basically, a good middle ground.
I’ve started putting together an itinerary and would love your expert advice and tips to help us build this amazing trip with our little ones.
Day 1: Departure from France
Day 2: Kuala Lumpur Stay at a hotel near the airport or KL Sentral. Just one night.
Day 3: Morning flight to Sandakan (Borneo). Stay in Sepilok
Day 4: Sepilok: * Orangutan Center * Malayan Sun Bear Center * Rainforest Discovery Centre
Day 5: Depart for Kinabatangan. Boat safari in the late afternoon.
Day 6: Sunrise safari. Jungle walk. Evening safari.
Day 7: Final safari. Return to Sandakan.
Flight to Kuala Lumpur, then to Kota Bharu (or overnight transit depending on schedules).
Day 8: Transfer to the port. Boat to the Perhentian Islands.
Days 9 to 13: Perhentian Besar 5 full days. * Snorkeling * Hiking * Turtle watching * Wild beaches * Relaxation
Day 14: Return to the mainland. Bus or private car to Taman Negara.
Days 15 and 16: Taman Negara.
Day 17: Return to Kuala Lumpur.
Day 18: Visit the Petronas Towers or Batu Caves
Day 19: Free day.
Day 20: Return flight.
Thanks in advance, everyone!
Baptiste
Hi everyone,
We’re heading to Flores and then Bali at the end of September.
We’ve already visited both but this time, once we’re in Labuan Bajo, we’d like to take a boat to the Komodo Islands to see the famous Komodo dragons.
I don’t want to sleep on the boat—just a day trip would be perfect.
Does anyone know a reliable and friendly provider to recommend?
Thanks in advance, and have a great summer!
Time to hit the road again!
Summer seems to be the best time weather-wise for Bali. And since summer’s when we can take a long trip, let’s go for Bali... even though we know it’ll be *packed* with people! So we’ll steer clear of the island’s south...
Our current plan (19 days on the ground, 7 stops): - 4 Nights (3 days) in Ubud 2 days for rice terraces / activities (Tegallalang, Campuhan Ridge, Monkey Forest, Bird Park, coffee plantation, market (?), dance "pestacle," cooking class and/or spa) 1 day with a driver for the Temples (Pura Gunung Kawi, Tirta Empul Spring, Pura Mengening, Goa Gajah...) - 2 nights in Sidemen (1 day for Pura Kehen + Batur Caldera + Pura Besakih and 1 day to relax in the rice terraces) - 3 nights on Gili Meno (Rest and beaches) from Padangbai - 2 nights in Amed (1 day from Padangbai with the Abang rice terrace and Tirta Gangga baths, and the next day a boat tour in Amed) - 4 nights in Pemuteran (1 day for transfer and rest, 1 day to visit Kawah Ijen, and 2 days of snorkeling at Menjangan Island) - 2 nights in Munduk (1 day with the Dayang rice terrace and the 3-waterfall hike, 1 day at Pura Ulun Danu Bratan) - 2 nights in Jatiluwih (1 day in the rice terraces, and on the last day, we’ll stop by Pura Taman Ayun in Mengwi and Pura Tanah Lot before catching our red-eye flight).
Accommodations in homestays or hotels. Transportation to be arranged on-site with the lodgings (?) Boat to Gili Meno to book in advance (?) Kawah Ijen excursion to plan ahead (?)—check with the homestay (?)
Thanks for your thoughts/comments to help us explore this destination...
Summer seems to be the best time weather-wise for Bali. And since summer’s when we can take a long trip, let’s go for Bali... even though we know it’ll be *packed* with people! So we’ll steer clear of the island’s south...
Our current plan (19 days on the ground, 7 stops): - 4 Nights (3 days) in Ubud 2 days for rice terraces / activities (Tegallalang, Campuhan Ridge, Monkey Forest, Bird Park, coffee plantation, market (?), dance "pestacle," cooking class and/or spa) 1 day with a driver for the Temples (Pura Gunung Kawi, Tirta Empul Spring, Pura Mengening, Goa Gajah...) - 2 nights in Sidemen (1 day for Pura Kehen + Batur Caldera + Pura Besakih and 1 day to relax in the rice terraces) - 3 nights on Gili Meno (Rest and beaches) from Padangbai - 2 nights in Amed (1 day from Padangbai with the Abang rice terrace and Tirta Gangga baths, and the next day a boat tour in Amed) - 4 nights in Pemuteran (1 day for transfer and rest, 1 day to visit Kawah Ijen, and 2 days of snorkeling at Menjangan Island) - 2 nights in Munduk (1 day with the Dayang rice terrace and the 3-waterfall hike, 1 day at Pura Ulun Danu Bratan) - 2 nights in Jatiluwih (1 day in the rice terraces, and on the last day, we’ll stop by Pura Taman Ayun in Mengwi and Pura Tanah Lot before catching our red-eye flight).
Accommodations in homestays or hotels. Transportation to be arranged on-site with the lodgings (?) Boat to Gili Meno to book in advance (?) Kawah Ijen excursion to plan ahead (?)—check with the homestay (?)
Thanks for your thoughts/comments to help us explore this destination...
Hello,
After reading and researching, we're planning the following stops in Cambodia in January 2027: - Phnom Penh - Kampong Cham - Kratie - Siem Reap - Battambang - Kampot (round trip)
I'm wondering about the direction of these stops, which could also influence our international flights. Either a round trip from Phnom Penh in the order above. Or landing in Siem Reap with the following order:
- Battambang (round trip) - Siem Reap / Angkor - Kratie - Kampong Cham - Phnom Penh - Kampot (round trip)
This second option would save us the Battambang - PP - Kampot trip but means doing a round trip to Battambang from Siem Reap and placing the "highlight of the trip" (Angkor) at the beginning of our stay.
What do you think?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Have a great Sunday
After reading and researching, we're planning the following stops in Cambodia in January 2027: - Phnom Penh - Kampong Cham - Kratie - Siem Reap - Battambang - Kampot (round trip)
I'm wondering about the direction of these stops, which could also influence our international flights. Either a round trip from Phnom Penh in the order above. Or landing in Siem Reap with the following order:
- Battambang (round trip) - Siem Reap / Angkor - Kratie - Kampong Cham - Phnom Penh - Kampot (round trip)
This second option would save us the Battambang - PP - Kampot trip but means doing a round trip to Battambang from Siem Reap and placing the "highlight of the trip" (Angkor) at the beginning of our stay.
What do you think?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Have a great Sunday
Hi there,
We’ll be arriving in Phnom Penh this coming January and we’re thinking of starting our trip with a stop in Kampong Cham, then Kratie.
After Kratie, we’re considering heading toward Siem Reap with a stop in Kampong Thom.
However, I’m not quite sure how long the Kratie–Kampong Thom journey might take or how complicated it is.
Does this stop on the way to Siem Reap seem like a good idea to you? If we don’t visit the Sambor Prei Kuk site, are there still some walks and/or things to see in Kampong Thom?
Thanks in advance for your help.
We’ll be arriving in Phnom Penh this coming January and we’re thinking of starting our trip with a stop in Kampong Cham, then Kratie.
After Kratie, we’re considering heading toward Siem Reap with a stop in Kampong Thom.
However, I’m not quite sure how long the Kratie–Kampong Thom journey might take or how complicated it is.
Does this stop on the way to Siem Reap seem like a good idea to you? If we don’t visit the Sambor Prei Kuk site, are there still some walks and/or things to see in Kampong Thom?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Hi there,
We’re planning to travel from Chiang Rai to Luang Prabang next November.
We’d like to take a slow boat from Chiang Khong—or rather from Huay Xai in Laos—with an overnight stop in Pakbeng.
Could you let us know if the boat still leaves Huay Xai in the late morning? If so, what time roughly, and what’s the price for the trip?
Thanks for your help!
Alod
Hello everyone,
We (3 adults: 68, 65, and 25 years old) are just back from a short trip to the Philippines, and I’d like to share a little summary of our journey. First of all, I’d like to thank everyone who contributes to this forum about this destination and answers the questions of those who aren’t familiar with it. I should also mention that my comments are personal and don’t reflect anyone else’s opinions. Since I don’t have any literary or photographic talent, I’ll stick to the facts and share a few details about the sights, hotels, and restaurants.
Preparations: We chose this destination in December and quickly booked our flight tickets (540 € with Turkish Airlines) for a departure on February 16 and return on March 5, 2019. We then contacted two French-speaking tour operators based in Manila, asking them to put together an itinerary based on our wishes (places to visit, type of accommodation) and our budget. We wanted to see the rice terraces in northern Luzon, the hanging coffins in Sagada, before flying to the Visayas (Bohol, Siquijor, etc.), and the Taal Volcano, while limiting our nights in Manila as much as possible. In the end, we opted for Alize, whose itinerary and quote matched our request almost perfectly. Our exchanges helped us refine our circuit.
International flights: The round-trip flights went smoothly. Turkish Airlines, while not at the level of Asian or Gulf airlines, does the job just fine.
Day 1: We landed on time (6:15 PM) on Monday, February 16, at Terminal 3. We exchanged our euros (near the car rental counters), and I can confirm the exchange rate was very good. On the way to the St. Giles Hotel (decent and affordable for a transit night), we got our first glimpse of Manila’s dense traffic. The Makati district, where our hotel was located, offers a wide choice of restaurants, so we grabbed a quick bite to recover from the trip.
Day 2: This day was dedicated to transferring to Banaue. Fortunately, we had a comfortable van and an excellent driver for this journey, which took all day (8 to 9 hours with stops). We got a taste of driving in the Philippines—and it’s terrifying. You wouldn’t want to drive on these roads. The first thing that struck us was the relatively good condition of the roads and the cleanliness (a change from other Southeast Asian countries). This impression lasted throughout our trip. Around 6 PM, we checked into our room at the Banaue Hotel (large, charm-free, but with a beautiful view of the rice terraces).
Day 3: With the help of a local guide, we took a jeepney to Batad. And then—wow! The rice terraces form an amphitheater overlooking the small village. Under the sun, it’s simply spectacular and breathtaking! Even though we’re familiar with rice terraces (Sapa, Bali, Thailand, etc.), we were dazzled by so much beauty. We spent the day walking along the terrace walls. This place is timeless and fully deserves its UNESCO World Heritage status. However, we returned to the hotel exhausted (due to our ages and lack of exercise). We had dinner with our driver at the Las Vegas restaurant in the center of Banaue. The meal was decent, cheap, and the Filipino owner played the guitar to accompany our dinner.
Day 4: Today, our driver took us to Sagada. The mountain road offered spectacular landscapes (about 1.5 to 2 hours). Along the way, we stopped in Bontoc to visit the small but interesting anthropological museum. It features old photos and various objects from the Ifugao tribes, as well as a reconstruction of primitive dwellings. We then went on a short hike in Sagada with a very friendly local guide who explained the region’s funeral rites. The walk started at the communal cemetery before reaching “Echo Valley,” where we saw the first coffins hanging on the cliff. We continued to the “Underground River” and a small waterfall, ending our journey in the “Lumiang Cave” burial cave. All in all, this day was very interesting. On the way back, we made a few photo stops. In the evening, on our driver’s recommendation, we ate at the “Bistro,” a French enclave in the center of Banaue (good pizza, roasted quail, homemade fries).
Day 5: Today was a transfer day. To limit fatigue and nights in Manila, our tour operator arranged a flight from Clark to Tagbilaran (Bohol), saving us 2 to 3 hours of driving. But to catch our flight, we had to leave very early: 5:30 AM. Our kind driver dropped us off on time at the airport. To use it, we had to pay a 150 PHP tax per person. The Philippine Airlines flight (15 minutes) left early and was far from full. Upon arrival, we were taken to the Loboc River Hotel, on the banks of the river of the same name. A very charming lodge lost in a tropical garden. We stayed in a stilt cottage overlooking the river. We relaxed a bit in the lovely pool. This place is really great—the staff is charming, and the food is excellent for a reasonable price.
Day 6: This day was dedicated to exploring Bohol. The program was classic, starting with the tarsier sanctuary. We saw a few specimens in a small garden, each pointed out by a staff member. It was both good and disappointing because the animals were in pseudo-freedom in a small enclosure. Then we went to the “Chocolate Hills” and climbed 240 steps to admire the panoramic view of the hills—but by 10 AM, it was crowded. On the way back, we stopped at the butterfly garden, which was uninteresting: tiny, with few butterflies. We consoled ourselves by photographing beautiful flowers. To please our teen, we stopped at the Loboc Eco Tourism Adventure Park and crossed the river lying down, suspended from a steel cable (300 PHP). Finally, we had the traditional lunch-cruise on the Loboc River. It was a factory-like experience, and the meal was unremarkable. The only good thing was the singer on each boat and the lush vegetation. Afterward, we visited colonial churches and the cathedral, remnants of the Spanish presence, before returning to the hotel for a well-deserved dip in the pool. Note that for those interested, there’s an arena near the hotel where cockfights are held every Sunday—something Filipinos are passionate (if not obsessed) about.
Day 8: Very early departure for the port. We boarded a *banca* in search of dolphins. After about an hour of sailing, we were lucky enough to spot around a hundred dolphins. Our boat then headed to the small and charming island of Pamilacan. After a walk through the little village, we came across locals traditionally building a boat. They told us it takes about a month to finish their outrigger boat. Then we had to choose our snorkeling spot between the coral garden, the fish park, and the turtle enclosure. Note that a fee is charged for each spot: 150 PHP per place and per person. It felt a bit like we were being ripped off, especially since the spots weren’t amazing—we’d see much better on Apo for much less. We had lunch on the island at one of the many small eateries (350 PHP per person).
Days 9 and 10: On our return, we were taken to the Bohol Sea Resort on Panglao Island, where we stayed for 2 nights. It’s a small, recent establishment in a quiet corner of the island. It’s relaxing—maybe a bit too much. It has a nice pool and access to Danao Beach, but the view is blocked by a flotilla of boats. We didn’t try their diving school. The meals were good. If we had to do it again, we’d skip this stop to spend more time in Negros.
Days 11 and 12: We took a fast ferry (Ocean Jet) from Tagbilaran port to Dumaguete and were taken to the Thalatta Resort, about 20 km away near Zamboanguita. We stayed there for 2 nights. Let’s just say it was our favorite. It’s a small place facing Apo Island. The rooms are simple, and the pool, nestled in a magnificent tropical garden, is fantastic. The staff is friendly, and the meals are very good. The hotel has its own diving center (snorkeling gear provided) and its own boats. We booked the Apo Island excursion: 1,350 PHP per person, including lunch. It was incredible: magnificent corals, colorful fish, and turtles of all sizes. The crew was endlessly kind and didn’t hesitate to dive to guide us to the best spots. In short, a perfect day. This site is ranked among the top 5 diving spots in the Philippines. Since we were lucky enough to be there on a Wednesday morning, we explored the surprising Malapay Market, a 10-minute walk from our hotel. You’ll find numerous stalls selling vegetables, fruits, live or dried fish, and handicrafts. Enclosures are set up for selling livestock (calves, zebu, pigs). There are also restaurants. We were lucky to see two pigs roasted traditionally on a spit. There are few Europeans, and the people are warm. A great moment. We left this beautiful place with regret because we didn’t have time to visit the island or go swimming with whale sharks.
Days 12 to 15: From Dumaguete port, we took a short crossing (1 hour with Ocean Jet) to Siquijor Island to reach the Coco Grove Beach Resort. A beautiful hotel nestled in a spacious tropical garden. Several restaurants and bars, 4 pools. Despite the size of the place, it remains intimate. You can snorkel (corals and fish) right in front of the beautiful beach. We stayed in a very pleasant duplex suite. For those interested, there’s a spa and a diving center. You can also take the Apo Island excursion (offered at 1,950 PHP). We spent our days relaxing between the pool and the beach. In the evening, the sunsets over Negros and Apo were stunning. We booked an island tour with a comfortable tricycle from the hotel (1,500 PHP). The circuit was classic and allowed us to go around the island. We discovered beaches, the famous 400-year-old ficus tree with its enormous roots, and its equally famous foot bath with its cleaning fish. Then we visited the St. Isidore Convent before heading to the Cambugahay waterfalls and their four pools. The setting is idyllic, and the water is surprisingly good—we had a lot of fun swimming. We had dinner at a restaurant overlooking the island, where you can see Apo, Cebu, and Negros. In the end, Siquijor turned out to be a real little tropical paradise. Since the hotel restaurants were expensive, we dined at nearby establishments: Fuego (clean, good—excellent raw fish—and quiet), Chekesch (louder), and the very pleasant Baha Bar, which brews its own beer and offers more refined cuisine.
Days 15 to 16: We left at dawn to return to Dumaguete and its airport by ferry. We had breakfast at the Coco Grande Hotel, an annex of the previous one. The Philippine Airlines flight went smoothly. A driver took us to the town of Taal. We stayed at Paradores Del Castillo, right in the heart of the old town. It’s a charming old house with only 6 rooms. The various rooms are decorated with antiques—a real little museum. The garden is pleasant and opens onto the town. It’s an old early 19th-century house converted into a hotel, beautifully arranged with 6 rooms in the heart of the city. The restaurant in the garden is very pleasant and offers a panoramic view. We visited an old Spanish house before heading to the beautiful Basilica of St. Martin of Tours, one of the most beautiful religious buildings in the Philippines. A mass was in progress, allowing us to gauge the Filipinos’ fervor before we could visit. When we left, it was dark, and we could admire the illuminated building. We ended our evening by exploring the night market with its many fruit and skewer stalls. A nice surprise. In the morning, we were taken to the shores of Taal Lake, an ancient caldera where a second volcano has formed in the middle of the lake, which in turn contains another lake. We boarded a *banca* to reach the island in the middle of the lake. This was followed by an uphill walk, made difficult by the high temperature (36°C) and the dust on the path. The dust was worsened by the many horses carrying (or bringing back) the less courageous. To illustrate the difficulty of the climb, the trail is marked by the Stations of the Cross and its 14 stations. We were panting while our guide trotted far ahead. Our effort was rewarded when we reached the summit and its viewpoints over the inner lake and the surroundings. The wisps of smoke seen here and there confirmed we were on an active volcano. Inside the lake, there are supposedly 45 small volcanoes, one of which emerged during its last eruption in 1911. On the way back, we had lunch by the lake before returning to Manila and the Bayleaf Hotel, whose main merit is its location in the Intramuros district. In the late afternoon, we walked along the walls of the old city. We had dinner on the hotel’s panoramic terrace overlooking the city and the bay.
Day 17: Last day! Our tour operator joined us for a tour of the Intramuros district. He enriched the visit with comments on the history, geopolitics, and economy of the Philippines. We visited the Manila Cathedral, destroyed 7 times in the past (6 earthquakes and the 1945 bombing). It’s beautiful, and its stained glass is magnificent. We couldn’t enter the San Agustin Church, the oldest Catholic building in Manila. We passed by the memorial to the Battle of Manila, which claimed over 100,000 lives. We visited the area around Casa Manila, which was closed on Monday, and had a drink at Barbara’s cabaret, located in a historic house. A very enriching morning. Then we went to the Mall of Asia, the world’s largest shopping mall, to buy some souvenirs (Kultura store) before being taken to the airport. We exchanged our last pesos at the buying rate right after check-in. The return flight went smoothly. We regretted not being able to use the facilities of Istanbul’s new airport, as its opening was delayed by another month.
Finances: In the end, we spent 1,640 € for the international flights, 4,200 € for the stay (hotels, visits, various transports) with the agency (whose professionalism we can only praise), and about 700 € for meals, tips, and souvenirs.
Summary: Luckily, we had beautiful weather throughout our stay, with temperatures between 26 and 35°C. Discovering the Philippines was a wonderful experience. The diversity of the landscapes, the kindness of the Filipinos, the cleanliness, and the truly delicious fruits (especially pineapples and mangoes). We were never harassed, unlike in many touristy countries. On the other hand, the food, though generally cheap, wasn’t exceptional. Since this country is so vast, we might return in the near future.
Though I’m not a specialist on this destination, I’m happy to answer your questions based on my experience.
We (3 adults: 68, 65, and 25 years old) are just back from a short trip to the Philippines, and I’d like to share a little summary of our journey. First of all, I’d like to thank everyone who contributes to this forum about this destination and answers the questions of those who aren’t familiar with it. I should also mention that my comments are personal and don’t reflect anyone else’s opinions. Since I don’t have any literary or photographic talent, I’ll stick to the facts and share a few details about the sights, hotels, and restaurants.
Preparations: We chose this destination in December and quickly booked our flight tickets (540 € with Turkish Airlines) for a departure on February 16 and return on March 5, 2019. We then contacted two French-speaking tour operators based in Manila, asking them to put together an itinerary based on our wishes (places to visit, type of accommodation) and our budget. We wanted to see the rice terraces in northern Luzon, the hanging coffins in Sagada, before flying to the Visayas (Bohol, Siquijor, etc.), and the Taal Volcano, while limiting our nights in Manila as much as possible. In the end, we opted for Alize, whose itinerary and quote matched our request almost perfectly. Our exchanges helped us refine our circuit.
International flights: The round-trip flights went smoothly. Turkish Airlines, while not at the level of Asian or Gulf airlines, does the job just fine.
Day 1: We landed on time (6:15 PM) on Monday, February 16, at Terminal 3. We exchanged our euros (near the car rental counters), and I can confirm the exchange rate was very good. On the way to the St. Giles Hotel (decent and affordable for a transit night), we got our first glimpse of Manila’s dense traffic. The Makati district, where our hotel was located, offers a wide choice of restaurants, so we grabbed a quick bite to recover from the trip.
Day 2: This day was dedicated to transferring to Banaue. Fortunately, we had a comfortable van and an excellent driver for this journey, which took all day (8 to 9 hours with stops). We got a taste of driving in the Philippines—and it’s terrifying. You wouldn’t want to drive on these roads. The first thing that struck us was the relatively good condition of the roads and the cleanliness (a change from other Southeast Asian countries). This impression lasted throughout our trip. Around 6 PM, we checked into our room at the Banaue Hotel (large, charm-free, but with a beautiful view of the rice terraces).
Day 3: With the help of a local guide, we took a jeepney to Batad. And then—wow! The rice terraces form an amphitheater overlooking the small village. Under the sun, it’s simply spectacular and breathtaking! Even though we’re familiar with rice terraces (Sapa, Bali, Thailand, etc.), we were dazzled by so much beauty. We spent the day walking along the terrace walls. This place is timeless and fully deserves its UNESCO World Heritage status. However, we returned to the hotel exhausted (due to our ages and lack of exercise). We had dinner with our driver at the Las Vegas restaurant in the center of Banaue. The meal was decent, cheap, and the Filipino owner played the guitar to accompany our dinner.
Day 4: Today, our driver took us to Sagada. The mountain road offered spectacular landscapes (about 1.5 to 2 hours). Along the way, we stopped in Bontoc to visit the small but interesting anthropological museum. It features old photos and various objects from the Ifugao tribes, as well as a reconstruction of primitive dwellings. We then went on a short hike in Sagada with a very friendly local guide who explained the region’s funeral rites. The walk started at the communal cemetery before reaching “Echo Valley,” where we saw the first coffins hanging on the cliff. We continued to the “Underground River” and a small waterfall, ending our journey in the “Lumiang Cave” burial cave. All in all, this day was very interesting. On the way back, we made a few photo stops. In the evening, on our driver’s recommendation, we ate at the “Bistro,” a French enclave in the center of Banaue (good pizza, roasted quail, homemade fries).
Day 5: Today was a transfer day. To limit fatigue and nights in Manila, our tour operator arranged a flight from Clark to Tagbilaran (Bohol), saving us 2 to 3 hours of driving. But to catch our flight, we had to leave very early: 5:30 AM. Our kind driver dropped us off on time at the airport. To use it, we had to pay a 150 PHP tax per person. The Philippine Airlines flight (15 minutes) left early and was far from full. Upon arrival, we were taken to the Loboc River Hotel, on the banks of the river of the same name. A very charming lodge lost in a tropical garden. We stayed in a stilt cottage overlooking the river. We relaxed a bit in the lovely pool. This place is really great—the staff is charming, and the food is excellent for a reasonable price.
Day 6: This day was dedicated to exploring Bohol. The program was classic, starting with the tarsier sanctuary. We saw a few specimens in a small garden, each pointed out by a staff member. It was both good and disappointing because the animals were in pseudo-freedom in a small enclosure. Then we went to the “Chocolate Hills” and climbed 240 steps to admire the panoramic view of the hills—but by 10 AM, it was crowded. On the way back, we stopped at the butterfly garden, which was uninteresting: tiny, with few butterflies. We consoled ourselves by photographing beautiful flowers. To please our teen, we stopped at the Loboc Eco Tourism Adventure Park and crossed the river lying down, suspended from a steel cable (300 PHP). Finally, we had the traditional lunch-cruise on the Loboc River. It was a factory-like experience, and the meal was unremarkable. The only good thing was the singer on each boat and the lush vegetation. Afterward, we visited colonial churches and the cathedral, remnants of the Spanish presence, before returning to the hotel for a well-deserved dip in the pool. Note that for those interested, there’s an arena near the hotel where cockfights are held every Sunday—something Filipinos are passionate (if not obsessed) about.
Day 8: Very early departure for the port. We boarded a *banca* in search of dolphins. After about an hour of sailing, we were lucky enough to spot around a hundred dolphins. Our boat then headed to the small and charming island of Pamilacan. After a walk through the little village, we came across locals traditionally building a boat. They told us it takes about a month to finish their outrigger boat. Then we had to choose our snorkeling spot between the coral garden, the fish park, and the turtle enclosure. Note that a fee is charged for each spot: 150 PHP per place and per person. It felt a bit like we were being ripped off, especially since the spots weren’t amazing—we’d see much better on Apo for much less. We had lunch on the island at one of the many small eateries (350 PHP per person).
Days 9 and 10: On our return, we were taken to the Bohol Sea Resort on Panglao Island, where we stayed for 2 nights. It’s a small, recent establishment in a quiet corner of the island. It’s relaxing—maybe a bit too much. It has a nice pool and access to Danao Beach, but the view is blocked by a flotilla of boats. We didn’t try their diving school. The meals were good. If we had to do it again, we’d skip this stop to spend more time in Negros.
Days 11 and 12: We took a fast ferry (Ocean Jet) from Tagbilaran port to Dumaguete and were taken to the Thalatta Resort, about 20 km away near Zamboanguita. We stayed there for 2 nights. Let’s just say it was our favorite. It’s a small place facing Apo Island. The rooms are simple, and the pool, nestled in a magnificent tropical garden, is fantastic. The staff is friendly, and the meals are very good. The hotel has its own diving center (snorkeling gear provided) and its own boats. We booked the Apo Island excursion: 1,350 PHP per person, including lunch. It was incredible: magnificent corals, colorful fish, and turtles of all sizes. The crew was endlessly kind and didn’t hesitate to dive to guide us to the best spots. In short, a perfect day. This site is ranked among the top 5 diving spots in the Philippines. Since we were lucky enough to be there on a Wednesday morning, we explored the surprising Malapay Market, a 10-minute walk from our hotel. You’ll find numerous stalls selling vegetables, fruits, live or dried fish, and handicrafts. Enclosures are set up for selling livestock (calves, zebu, pigs). There are also restaurants. We were lucky to see two pigs roasted traditionally on a spit. There are few Europeans, and the people are warm. A great moment. We left this beautiful place with regret because we didn’t have time to visit the island or go swimming with whale sharks.
Days 12 to 15: From Dumaguete port, we took a short crossing (1 hour with Ocean Jet) to Siquijor Island to reach the Coco Grove Beach Resort. A beautiful hotel nestled in a spacious tropical garden. Several restaurants and bars, 4 pools. Despite the size of the place, it remains intimate. You can snorkel (corals and fish) right in front of the beautiful beach. We stayed in a very pleasant duplex suite. For those interested, there’s a spa and a diving center. You can also take the Apo Island excursion (offered at 1,950 PHP). We spent our days relaxing between the pool and the beach. In the evening, the sunsets over Negros and Apo were stunning. We booked an island tour with a comfortable tricycle from the hotel (1,500 PHP). The circuit was classic and allowed us to go around the island. We discovered beaches, the famous 400-year-old ficus tree with its enormous roots, and its equally famous foot bath with its cleaning fish. Then we visited the St. Isidore Convent before heading to the Cambugahay waterfalls and their four pools. The setting is idyllic, and the water is surprisingly good—we had a lot of fun swimming. We had dinner at a restaurant overlooking the island, where you can see Apo, Cebu, and Negros. In the end, Siquijor turned out to be a real little tropical paradise. Since the hotel restaurants were expensive, we dined at nearby establishments: Fuego (clean, good—excellent raw fish—and quiet), Chekesch (louder), and the very pleasant Baha Bar, which brews its own beer and offers more refined cuisine.
Days 15 to 16: We left at dawn to return to Dumaguete and its airport by ferry. We had breakfast at the Coco Grande Hotel, an annex of the previous one. The Philippine Airlines flight went smoothly. A driver took us to the town of Taal. We stayed at Paradores Del Castillo, right in the heart of the old town. It’s a charming old house with only 6 rooms. The various rooms are decorated with antiques—a real little museum. The garden is pleasant and opens onto the town. It’s an old early 19th-century house converted into a hotel, beautifully arranged with 6 rooms in the heart of the city. The restaurant in the garden is very pleasant and offers a panoramic view. We visited an old Spanish house before heading to the beautiful Basilica of St. Martin of Tours, one of the most beautiful religious buildings in the Philippines. A mass was in progress, allowing us to gauge the Filipinos’ fervor before we could visit. When we left, it was dark, and we could admire the illuminated building. We ended our evening by exploring the night market with its many fruit and skewer stalls. A nice surprise. In the morning, we were taken to the shores of Taal Lake, an ancient caldera where a second volcano has formed in the middle of the lake, which in turn contains another lake. We boarded a *banca* to reach the island in the middle of the lake. This was followed by an uphill walk, made difficult by the high temperature (36°C) and the dust on the path. The dust was worsened by the many horses carrying (or bringing back) the less courageous. To illustrate the difficulty of the climb, the trail is marked by the Stations of the Cross and its 14 stations. We were panting while our guide trotted far ahead. Our effort was rewarded when we reached the summit and its viewpoints over the inner lake and the surroundings. The wisps of smoke seen here and there confirmed we were on an active volcano. Inside the lake, there are supposedly 45 small volcanoes, one of which emerged during its last eruption in 1911. On the way back, we had lunch by the lake before returning to Manila and the Bayleaf Hotel, whose main merit is its location in the Intramuros district. In the late afternoon, we walked along the walls of the old city. We had dinner on the hotel’s panoramic terrace overlooking the city and the bay.
Day 17: Last day! Our tour operator joined us for a tour of the Intramuros district. He enriched the visit with comments on the history, geopolitics, and economy of the Philippines. We visited the Manila Cathedral, destroyed 7 times in the past (6 earthquakes and the 1945 bombing). It’s beautiful, and its stained glass is magnificent. We couldn’t enter the San Agustin Church, the oldest Catholic building in Manila. We passed by the memorial to the Battle of Manila, which claimed over 100,000 lives. We visited the area around Casa Manila, which was closed on Monday, and had a drink at Barbara’s cabaret, located in a historic house. A very enriching morning. Then we went to the Mall of Asia, the world’s largest shopping mall, to buy some souvenirs (Kultura store) before being taken to the airport. We exchanged our last pesos at the buying rate right after check-in. The return flight went smoothly. We regretted not being able to use the facilities of Istanbul’s new airport, as its opening was delayed by another month.
Finances: In the end, we spent 1,640 € for the international flights, 4,200 € for the stay (hotels, visits, various transports) with the agency (whose professionalism we can only praise), and about 700 € for meals, tips, and souvenirs.
Summary: Luckily, we had beautiful weather throughout our stay, with temperatures between 26 and 35°C. Discovering the Philippines was a wonderful experience. The diversity of the landscapes, the kindness of the Filipinos, the cleanliness, and the truly delicious fruits (especially pineapples and mangoes). We were never harassed, unlike in many touristy countries. On the other hand, the food, though generally cheap, wasn’t exceptional. Since this country is so vast, we might return in the near future.
Though I’m not a specialist on this destination, I’m happy to answer your questions based on my experience.
So, my flight tickets have just been booked for a trip to Cambodia from November 4th to 27th, 2025.
I’ll be traveling solo and want to explore this amazing country while getting a bit off the beaten path.
I’m arriving in Phnom Penh and also departing from Phnom Penh.
My goal is to travel as much as possible by bus and scooter.
What itinerary would you recommend?
What are the must-do things?
I’m open to all tips and info.
Thanks in advance for your help and responses.
We got back enchanted from a 6-week trip to Cambodia!
Our itinerary: Kampot - Kampong Chhnang - Battambang - Siem Reap - Kampong Cham - Sen Monorom (Mondulkiri) - Banlung (Ratanakiri) - Kratie - Kampong Thom - Phnom Penh.
We traveled by bus, minivan, boat (between Battambang and Siem Reap), overnight bus, scooter, tuk-tuk, and rickshaw for shorter distances. We stayed in guesthouses, homestays, and even in the jungle during a trek.
While the Angkor temples are fabulous, it’s the people you should visit Cambodia for—the "Land of Smiles" truly lives up to its nickname! Tourists gather in Angkor but are quite rare elsewhere, even though the country is easy to travel around.
I won’t describe our trip in detail but instead highlight a few favorite moments.
From Kampot, don’t hesitate to head out around 6 AM to see the fishermen return and their wives selling their catch (just 10 minutes away by the coast). Guaranteed picturesque!
In Battambang, known for its food scene, we discovered a cooking class with Smokin’ Pot (authentic Khmer cooking class). They pick you up from your guesthouse to shop for ingredients (we made fish amok and beef lok lak) at their village market, then cook and eat together. A private class—just the two of us! They also send the recipes via WhatsApp as a PDF. +855 12 821 400
In Siem Reap, I can recommend a francophone tuk-tuk driver who was very attentive to our wishes. We visited tourist spots but also more remote villages and local grilled-pork restaurants with him. He’s a wealth of information about local life, and chatting with him was a real pleasure—we left with regret! You can reach him on WhatsApp: Vung Hem, +855 96 614 0146.
We did a 2-day, 1-night trek in Mondulkiri. Don’t expect a super dense jungle—it looks more like a forest similar to ours. But Nara, our Bunong ethnic guide, made the experience adventurous and ultimately very immersive! WhatsApp +855 86 630 489
Bee Bee’s Chalets homestay: If you pass through Banlung in Ratanakiri, we *loved* this family and their budget-friendly bungalows. Playing Uno, enjoying Nita’s cooking (ask for her fish amok—amazing!), it was a true homestay experience! Contact Nita on WhatsApp: +855 88 818 5525.
In Kratie, rent a scooter and follow the Mekong north for 40 km at your own pace. Being so close to the locals was a treat! Same goes for heading south if you have time.
Kampong Thom: Head 25 km out to visit the pre-Angkorian temples of Sambor Prei Kuk. Around a hundred monuments spread across three sites… and hardly anyone there!
A few practical tips: Though prices are often listed in dollars, you can always pay in riels (1 USD = 4000 riels), which is what we preferred. PassApp: An app to book tuk-tuks or rickshaws (and most importantly, know the price upfront). Virak Buntham: A bus company connecting several cities, bookable online.
Feel free to ask me questions about places, accommodations, etc.—I’d be happy to answer!
A few practical tips: Though prices are often listed in dollars, you can always pay in riels (1 USD = 4000 riels), which is what we preferred. PassApp: An app to book tuk-tuks or rickshaws (and most importantly, know the price upfront). Virak Buntham: A bus company connecting several cities, bookable online.
Feel free to ask me questions about places, accommodations, etc.—I’d be happy to answer!
Hi everyone,
We’re planning our second trip to Thailand (2 weeks on-site, late April/early May) as a family with our 5- and 7-year-olds.
On our first trip, we visited Bangkok, Ayutthaya, the River Kwai, Koh Lipe, Koh Phi Phi, and Khao Lak. We especially loved Koh Phi Phi for its limestone cliffs and lush vegetation, as well as Koh Lipe for its crystal-clear waters and snorkeling.
This time, I’m thinking of spending 7 days on the islands. I was considering Koh Tao and Koh Phangan. We’d like some scenery, snorkeling right from the beach, and a bit of atmosphere—but not too much (just enough to grab dinner in the evening).
For the other part of the trip, we’re torn between Chiang Mai and Khao Sok. One or the other… or both? We don’t want to rush, but we’re really nature-focused, so we won’t be hitting too many temples…
Thanks in advance for your tips and experiences!
We’re planning our second trip to Thailand (2 weeks on-site, late April/early May) as a family with our 5- and 7-year-olds.
On our first trip, we visited Bangkok, Ayutthaya, the River Kwai, Koh Lipe, Koh Phi Phi, and Khao Lak. We especially loved Koh Phi Phi for its limestone cliffs and lush vegetation, as well as Koh Lipe for its crystal-clear waters and snorkeling.
This time, I’m thinking of spending 7 days on the islands. I was considering Koh Tao and Koh Phangan. We’d like some scenery, snorkeling right from the beach, and a bit of atmosphere—but not too much (just enough to grab dinner in the evening).
For the other part of the trip, we’re torn between Chiang Mai and Khao Sok. One or the other… or both? We don’t want to rush, but we’re really nature-focused, so we won’t be hitting too many temples…
Thanks in advance for your tips and experiences!
Hi everyone, I’m looking to do a 15-day Muay Thai training course. Any great places to recommend? Thanks
Hi there, I’ll be on vacation in Malaysia in November and plan to spend 5 days in Penang. After that, I’d like to visit some temples and places in Butterworth or nearby, and also explore the city. Since I usually get around on foot, which neighborhood would be best for me—meaning within a 30-minute walk of attractions, street food stalls, bus lines, etc.? Thanks in advance for your help!
Françoise
Hello, it’s been a while since I last asked for your help on this forum—I’ve really missed it! I hope you’re all doing well, whether you're new or returning members.
I’m planning a trip from February 6 to 18, 2027, with my sister (we’re 47 and 50—time flies!). I’ve got my eye on a flight from Paris that lands in Bangkok on February 7 at 3 PM, with a return flight from Bangkok on February 18 at noon.
My sister has never been to this destination, and it’ll be her first time in Asia. Her priorities: beaches, sunshine, and cocktails by the shore. For me, I love that too, but I also enjoy exploring, nature, forests, and a bit of comfort (mixing guesthouses and higher-end hotels with pools). A little evening entertainment would be great, but not too much—good cocktails in a nice atmosphere rather than a rave party ;-). And I can’t help but dream of taking her on a little trek through a tropical forest (guaranteed memories and laughs, though she might curse me at the time) and showing her some karst landscapes.
I’ve been to Thailand before, but it was 15 years ago...
The idea is to give her a taste of Bangkok for 1 or 2 nights, a few days on an island (but which one...?), a tropical forest excursion with 1 or 2 nights on-site (Khao Sok?), and then back to Bangkok.
For the "main" island, even after reading the *Guide du Routard*, I’m still undecided. It’s hard to find a place that ticks all the boxes without feeling as crowded as the French Riviera in August: Koh Lanta? Khao Lak (though it’s not an island)? Koh Tao (I could maybe get my PADI certification, but I’m afraid she’d get bored, and it might be better to save that for a solo trip)? Koh Yao Yai (I worry we’d be bored in the evenings)? What a dilemma!
Thank you if you’ve read this far! Feel free to share any advice—it’ll all be warmly welcomed.
Here’s a rough outline of the itinerary (I’d rather skip a night in Bangkok if needed):
· Saturday, February 6, 2027: departure (overnight flight) · Sunday, February 7, 2027: arrival at 3 PM, probably at the hotel by 6 PM, evening in Bangkok (overnight in Bangkok) · Monday, February 8, 2027: day in Bangkok (Wat Pho and a floating market?) (overnight in Bangkok) · Tuesday, February 9, 2027: travel to Koh Lanta or another island (flight to Phuket or Krabi?) (overnight on island "x") · Wednesday, February 10, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Thursday, February 11, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Friday, February 12, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Saturday, February 13, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Sunday, February 14, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Monday, February 15, 2027: travel to Khao Sok—nighttime excursion to Khao Sok (overnight in Khao Sok) · Tuesday, February 16, 2027: exploration and hike in Khao Sok (overnight in Khao Sok) · Wednesday, February 17, 2027: return trip to Bangkok (overnight in Bangkok) · Thursday, February 18, 2027: return flight to Paris at noon
I’m planning a trip from February 6 to 18, 2027, with my sister (we’re 47 and 50—time flies!). I’ve got my eye on a flight from Paris that lands in Bangkok on February 7 at 3 PM, with a return flight from Bangkok on February 18 at noon.
My sister has never been to this destination, and it’ll be her first time in Asia. Her priorities: beaches, sunshine, and cocktails by the shore. For me, I love that too, but I also enjoy exploring, nature, forests, and a bit of comfort (mixing guesthouses and higher-end hotels with pools). A little evening entertainment would be great, but not too much—good cocktails in a nice atmosphere rather than a rave party ;-). And I can’t help but dream of taking her on a little trek through a tropical forest (guaranteed memories and laughs, though she might curse me at the time) and showing her some karst landscapes.
I’ve been to Thailand before, but it was 15 years ago...
The idea is to give her a taste of Bangkok for 1 or 2 nights, a few days on an island (but which one...?), a tropical forest excursion with 1 or 2 nights on-site (Khao Sok?), and then back to Bangkok.
For the "main" island, even after reading the *Guide du Routard*, I’m still undecided. It’s hard to find a place that ticks all the boxes without feeling as crowded as the French Riviera in August: Koh Lanta? Khao Lak (though it’s not an island)? Koh Tao (I could maybe get my PADI certification, but I’m afraid she’d get bored, and it might be better to save that for a solo trip)? Koh Yao Yai (I worry we’d be bored in the evenings)? What a dilemma!
Thank you if you’ve read this far! Feel free to share any advice—it’ll all be warmly welcomed.
Here’s a rough outline of the itinerary (I’d rather skip a night in Bangkok if needed):
· Saturday, February 6, 2027: departure (overnight flight) · Sunday, February 7, 2027: arrival at 3 PM, probably at the hotel by 6 PM, evening in Bangkok (overnight in Bangkok) · Monday, February 8, 2027: day in Bangkok (Wat Pho and a floating market?) (overnight in Bangkok) · Tuesday, February 9, 2027: travel to Koh Lanta or another island (flight to Phuket or Krabi?) (overnight on island "x") · Wednesday, February 10, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Thursday, February 11, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Friday, February 12, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Saturday, February 13, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Sunday, February 14, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Monday, February 15, 2027: travel to Khao Sok—nighttime excursion to Khao Sok (overnight in Khao Sok) · Tuesday, February 16, 2027: exploration and hike in Khao Sok (overnight in Khao Sok) · Wednesday, February 17, 2027: return trip to Bangkok (overnight in Bangkok) · Thursday, February 18, 2027: return flight to Paris at noon
Hi there,
I’m planning a trip to Cambodia and was set on visiting the Ratanakiri region, which seemed to match what we love most in terms of landscapes: forests, jungle, greenery...
However, as I started looking into the area, I read that deforestation there is massive, and some of the info on the topic is years old—the situation hasn’t improved since, unfortunately.
So my question is: is Ratanakiri still worth visiting, and does it justify the long travel time and distance to get there?
I’ve seen that jungle treks are possible, but from experience, I know guides sometimes hesitate to venture deep into the forest and stick to shorter walks along the edges of parks.
Thanks in advance for your feedback.
I’m planning a trip to Cambodia and was set on visiting the Ratanakiri region, which seemed to match what we love most in terms of landscapes: forests, jungle, greenery...
However, as I started looking into the area, I read that deforestation there is massive, and some of the info on the topic is years old—the situation hasn’t improved since, unfortunately.
So my question is: is Ratanakiri still worth visiting, and does it justify the long travel time and distance to get there?
I’ve seen that jungle treks are possible, but from experience, I know guides sometimes hesitate to venture deep into the forest and stick to shorter walks along the edges of parks.
Thanks in advance for your feedback.
Hi there,
I’ve found so many tips and reviews on this forum, so it’s my turn to contribute a little.
We spent just over two weeks with our family, with the following itinerary:
- Hanoi: 5 days
- Halong Bay: 3 days and 2 nights
- Tam Coc: 3 days
- Mai Chau: 2 days
- Sapa: 3 days
We got around by bike, scooter, Grab, and bus.
Our main accommodations were homestays and hotels in Hanoi.
We visited lots of museums, temples, and neighborhoods in Hanoi.
We did a 2-day, 1-night trek in Sapa with May, a Hmong local, without going through an agency.
A few small regrets: the weather was overcast, and we couldn’t make it to Fansipan, but nothing major 😅. We also couldn’t find transport to get from Sapa to Mu Cang Chai.
Other than that, this trip will stay in our memories for the kindness of the Vietnamese people, the connections we made, the food (street food, homestays...), the coffee 😋, the landscapes, and how easy it was to get around...
Our goal was to take our time and focus only on a small part of northern Vietnam.
If you need any tips or recommendations, don’t hesitate to ask.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Cédric.








