La meilleur façon de se déplacer pour faire le tour de l'Europe?
by Punkète
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
salut moi je veu faire le tour de leurope en un ans
en travaillant....je veu savoir kel ai la meilleur fancon de se depalcer et ou....(bus train avion auto-stop)
dite moi les plus bo endroi a visiter autant historique gastronomique sportive(une montage ki vault la peine detre monter)ou seulement un endroit que vous aimez bien mais qui nest pas touristique
les endroit ou je peut travailler avec et sans visa ( genre vendange ou autre)
avec d contact si vous en avez
si vous me deconsiller des endroits trop dangereux
endroits ou loger ( camping, bord de route, gite, auberge jeunesse)
les endroits ou c possible dromir dehor meme en hiver tout koi....
🙂 merci pour les reponces
moi-meme
La facon la plus économique en Europe c'est surement le bus : Eurolines par exemple. Pour le train, il y a des pass mais il faut etre européen, je crois;
Pour ce qui est des lieux, par quelles villes arrives tu ?
sinon pour la france : Paris, bien sur; la Bretagne et laCôte atlantique. tu peux rejoindre le Portugal et L'espagne avec l'Andalousie et Barcelone. Puis par la côte méditérannéenne rejoindre L'Italie etc...
bon voyage
sophie
Le stop marche assez bien en Europe, enfin dépendant des pays/régions. Par exemple, en République Tchèque, ça marche extraordinairement bien, surtout en Moravie. A l'inverse, n'y compte pas trop en Suisse.
Sans Visa, tu ne pourras travailler qu'au noir. Ca se fait, tu trouveras des possibilités, mais je ne te le recommande pas. En ces temps de crise, beaucoup de pays se mettent en chasse des travailleurs au noir. Sachant que l'obtention d'un Visa n'est en aucun cas un problème, ce serait stupide de ne pas te le procurer.
En règle générale, tu trouveras des auberges de jeunesse un peu partout, et à des prix variables (entre 30£ à Londres jusqu'à moins de 5€ en Roumanie, par exemple). Ceci dit, si tu veux te la faire beatnik, en dehors des grosses villes tu pourras loger sans trop de problèmes chez des habitants, ou en tout cas dans une grange. Les cages d'escaliers des immeubles sont souvent accessibles, je te le certifie. Mais je ne te le recommande pas, c'est pas vraiment le grand confort, et en plus c'est illégal. J'ai bien failli passer une nuit au chaud, au poste, d'ailleurs. Sinon, le couchsurfing est très répandu en Europe, comme en Amérique du Nord. Dans les ex-pays communistes, tu pourras dormir sans trop d'ennuis dans les gares (en tout cas en dehors des grosses gares de centre-capitale). Ce n'est en principe pas autorisé, dans les faits, si tu ne fais pas désordre, ils laissent faire. Attention toutefois : ils te laisseront toi, en tant que voyageur sans le sou, si tu arrives sapé en clochard, ils n'auront aucune pitié. Sinon, encore dans les gares, il y a souvent des wagons dans des voies de garage. Tu peux toujours tenter d'y aller, soit en demandant gentiment au vigile, soit sans. Si tu ne demandes pas et qu'il te repère, soit humble et excuse toi platement : généralement, ils m'ont laissé finir ma nuit. Enfin, vérifie quand même l'heure du premier train et réveille toi avant, histoire d'éviter de mauvaises surprises.
Pour se déplacer encore, les trains de marchandise. Mais c'est un peu aléatoire, dans le sens où ils sont lents et marquent de longs arrêts.
Voilà, j'espère que j'ai pu t'apporter au moins une ou deux idées :-)
Bons préparatifs
En règle générale, tu trouveras des auberges de jeunesse un peu partout, et à des prix variables (entre 30£ à Londres jusqu'à moins de 5€ en Roumanie, par exemple). Ceci dit, si tu veux te la faire beatnik, en dehors des grosses villes tu pourras loger sans trop de problèmes chez des habitants, ou en tout cas dans une grange. Les cages d'escaliers des immeubles sont souvent accessibles, je te le certifie. Mais je ne te le recommande pas, c'est pas vraiment le grand confort, et en plus c'est illégal. J'ai bien failli passer une nuit au chaud, au poste, d'ailleurs. Sinon, le couchsurfing est très répandu en Europe, comme en Amérique du Nord. Dans les ex-pays communistes, tu pourras dormir sans trop d'ennuis dans les gares (en tout cas en dehors des grosses gares de centre-capitale). Ce n'est en principe pas autorisé, dans les faits, si tu ne fais pas désordre, ils laissent faire. Attention toutefois : ils te laisseront toi, en tant que voyageur sans le sou, si tu arrives sapé en clochard, ils n'auront aucune pitié. Sinon, encore dans les gares, il y a souvent des wagons dans des voies de garage. Tu peux toujours tenter d'y aller, soit en demandant gentiment au vigile, soit sans. Si tu ne demandes pas et qu'il te repère, soit humble et excuse toi platement : généralement, ils m'ont laissé finir ma nuit. Enfin, vérifie quand même l'heure du premier train et réveille toi avant, histoire d'éviter de mauvaises surprises.
Pour se déplacer encore, les trains de marchandise. Mais c'est un peu aléatoire, dans le sens où ils sont lents et marquent de longs arrêts.
Voilà, j'espère que j'ai pu t'apporter au moins une ou deux idées :-)
Bons préparatifs
Qui veut chasser une migraine n'a qu'à boire toujours du bon
oui sa m'aide beaucoup....merci
dapres toi une fille toute seule c assez prudent ou bein sa serais mieu que je me trouve quelquun.....
si je fait tout mon voyage a dormir dehor le plus souvent et p-e a travailler quelque fois par exemple dans les vignobles combien dargent tu me conseil davoir avant de partir....
jaimerais rester un ans...
moi-meme
Pour l'argent, ça ne dépend en fait que de toi. J'ai fait 6 semaines pour 200€, un ami a tenu trois mois avec en tout et pour tout 20€. Ceci étant, dans mon cas et a fortiori dans le sien, c'étaient des conditions assez spartiates, mes dépenses s'axant sur au moins une nuit en camping par semaine pour avoir la certitude de me laver (les autres soirs chez l'habitant, ou alors les gares, cages d'escalier, ou camping sauvage...) et l'achat assez fréquent de nourriture, dans les cas où je ne mangeais pas chez l'habitant non plus. Prévois assez d'argent pour pouvoir faire face à des situations d'urgence, on ne sait jamais. Et ensuite, je me répète, ça dépend des conditions de confort que tu souhaites avoir.
Pour se déplacer seule, oui, bien sûr que tu peux. Mais évidemment, les risques pour une jeune fille sont nettement plus élevés que pour toutes les autres possibilités (femmes plus âgées, hommes de tous âges). Que dire de plus ? Voyager accompagnée est un gage de sécurité, bien sûr, mais voyage seule ne veut pas dire viol automatique tous les soirs. Si tu respectes des règles évidentes de sécurité et que tu t'informes un poil sur les pays dans lesquels tu vas, par exemple si le numéro européen d'urgence ( 112 ) propose ses services en Français ou Anglais sur place, ou alors à quel organisme s'adresser, où sont tes ambassades et services consulaires, éviter les autoroutes pour l'autostop.... Mais des femmes sauront te conseiller sur le sujet bien mieux que moi, sans doute ;-)
Pour se déplacer seule, oui, bien sûr que tu peux. Mais évidemment, les risques pour une jeune fille sont nettement plus élevés que pour toutes les autres possibilités (femmes plus âgées, hommes de tous âges). Que dire de plus ? Voyager accompagnée est un gage de sécurité, bien sûr, mais voyage seule ne veut pas dire viol automatique tous les soirs. Si tu respectes des règles évidentes de sécurité et que tu t'informes un poil sur les pays dans lesquels tu vas, par exemple si le numéro européen d'urgence ( 112 ) propose ses services en Français ou Anglais sur place, ou alors à quel organisme s'adresser, où sont tes ambassades et services consulaires, éviter les autoroutes pour l'autostop.... Mais des femmes sauront te conseiller sur le sujet bien mieux que moi, sans doute ;-)
Qui veut chasser une migraine n'a qu'à boire toujours du bon
bon sa maide merci......jpense que jva me trouver quelquun....
je suis pas mal sur que a deux se peut couter moins cher....exemple des endrois
que tu ne coucherai pas tout seul a 2 tu peut p-e etre plus en confiance donc pas oubliger de depenser pour un auberge de jeunesse et moins de poid dans ton sac a dos une tente a 2 une gamelle a 2 pi plein de truc comme sa ...tk merci jte renvoi un message si jai besoin de dautre info....
les vendanges dans le coins de la fance commence quand?? septembre??
moi-meme
Pour les vendanges, il existe déjà des posts à ce sujet, j'avoue ne pas être trop au courant.
Qui veut chasser une migraine n'a qu'à boire toujours du bon
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I’d love to get your thoughts on the following itinerary (late May). I like to take my time in ruins and museums, and beaches don’t interest me. I’ll be staying in hostels and using public transport. Do you see any major omissions or things that aren’t worth it? Thanks!
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Day 6: Trip to SYRACUSE, visit Ortigia Day 7: Ortigia Day 8: NOTO (day trip) (or another Baroque town?) Day 9: Syracuse Archaeological Park + more time in Ortigia (or leave for Enna?)
Day 10: Transport via Enna? TO BE RESOLVED (long, 2 or 3 changes, limited accommodation in Enna...)
Day 11: AGRIGENTO: town and Scala dei Turchi (optional) Day 12: Valley of the Temples + archaeological museum
Day 13: Departure for TRAPANI (4h), afternoon: town (+ salt flats?) Day 14: Segesta (day trip) + town/Erice Day 15: Monte Cofano Nature Reserve (hike + summit) (day trip) Day 16: Zingaro Nature Park (coastal route out, ridge route back) (day trip)
Day 17: Departure for the AEGADIAN ISLANDS: Levanzo and Favignana (bike), overnight if possible Day 18: Egadi Islands
Day 19: Departure for PALERMO + first visits Day 20: The city Day 21: The city (Monreale?) Day 22: Options: - Capo Gallo hike (3.5h round trip) (via Mondello) - Cefalù (45 min by train) Day 23: Return flight
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I’ll be in Copenhagen this coming May for a few days.
Do you have any recommendations for things to visit?
If I had to pick one castle to visit, which one would it be?
I’m torn between: Rosenborg Castle, Amalienborg Palace, or Frederiksborg and Charlottenborg Palaces
Any suggestions?
Thanks
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I’m wondering if anyone can give me some info on how to get from Mallorca to Menorca.
Since flights are cheaper to Mallorca, I’d like to go that way.
Thanks so much for your help!
Hi there,
We’re planning a trip to Finland and Norway this summer, starting in Oulu to explore Lapland, heading up to the North Cape, and then making our way down to Bergen.
This route means renting a car in Finland and dropping it off in Norway. My initial searches are showing rental rates that are... astronomical—about three times the price compared to returning it at the starting point.
I’m guessing I’m not the only one wanting to visit both countries. Are there any great tips to drastically reduce the cost of renting a car?
Thanks to the community for your suggestions!
We’re planning a trip to Finland and Norway this summer, starting in Oulu to explore Lapland, heading up to the North Cape, and then making our way down to Bergen.
This route means renting a car in Finland and dropping it off in Norway. My initial searches are showing rental rates that are... astronomical—about three times the price compared to returning it at the starting point.
I’m guessing I’m not the only one wanting to visit both countries. Are there any great tips to drastically reduce the cost of renting a car?
Thanks to the community for your suggestions!
Hi there, we’re a couple of bikers planning a trip to Majorca in June 2026, and I’d love to organize a half-day or full-day boat or catamaran outing. Which coast do you think is the nicest for this, and do you have any suggestions or personal experiences to share? Thanks in advance!
Hi there,
We’ll be staying in London for 3 nights in September.
Could you recommend a hotel near a tube station, at a good price, with fairly spacious rooms?
Thanks! 🌸
We’ll be staying in London for 3 nights in September.
Could you recommend a hotel near a tube station, at a good price, with fairly spacious rooms?
Thanks! 🌸
Hi there,
Does anyone know if there are any works in progress at Torcello, and if so, what type of works and how long they’re expected to last?
Thanks in advance
Hi everyone,
I’m sharing my draft itinerary with you because I just booked our flight tickets, and I feel like it’s quite late in the season. So, I’d like to be sure about my stops before reserving the hotels. I’ll be traveling alone with my two adult children. We want to prioritize outdoor walks, avoid too many indoor visits (both for budget and preference), and not spend too much time on the road.
D1: Arrival at 9 AM in Malaga, day in Malaga and overnight stay D2: Head straight to Nerja (1-hour drive) and spend the night there D3: Head straight to Granada (1.5-hour drive), spend the day and night there D4: Granada. Visit the Alhambra (Nasrid Palaces tour at 5 PM) and spend the night D5: Head to Ronda (2.5-hour drive) and spend the night D6: White Villages and overnight in Ronda D7: Head straight to the Costa del Sol (e.g., Estepona), spend the day and night there D8: Return to Malaga to catch our flight
There you go! This itinerary takes into account that we’d like to do a circuit starting from Seville in a few years. That said, it’d be a shame to miss something doable from Malaga.
Questions: Since the Alhambra visit is only at 5 PM, and we’d already have the day to explore Granada, would arriving the day before be a mistake? Or should we skip this day and dedicate it elsewhere (Costa del Sol? Head toward Tabernas?)? The old town appeals to me, but maybe the Sacromonte neighborhood isn’t essential... Same question for Ronda: should we dedicate a full day to it, or combine Ronda and the White Villages in one day? Note that we love wandering around villages outside, so that might answer my question! :)
Final question: Is it better to rent the car at Malaga Airport or in the city? If we rent at the airport, we’d need a hotel with parking, which doesn’t seem easy. Or stay outside the city and park for free near the center if possible? I’ve read comments about taking a taxi to Malaga and then picking up the rental car at the airport the next morning. The taxi would really need to be affordable...
Thanks so much for your feedback and suggestions for visits during this little circuit. Have a great day, everyone! Christine
D1: Arrival at 9 AM in Malaga, day in Malaga and overnight stay D2: Head straight to Nerja (1-hour drive) and spend the night there D3: Head straight to Granada (1.5-hour drive), spend the day and night there D4: Granada. Visit the Alhambra (Nasrid Palaces tour at 5 PM) and spend the night D5: Head to Ronda (2.5-hour drive) and spend the night D6: White Villages and overnight in Ronda D7: Head straight to the Costa del Sol (e.g., Estepona), spend the day and night there D8: Return to Malaga to catch our flight
There you go! This itinerary takes into account that we’d like to do a circuit starting from Seville in a few years. That said, it’d be a shame to miss something doable from Malaga.
Questions: Since the Alhambra visit is only at 5 PM, and we’d already have the day to explore Granada, would arriving the day before be a mistake? Or should we skip this day and dedicate it elsewhere (Costa del Sol? Head toward Tabernas?)? The old town appeals to me, but maybe the Sacromonte neighborhood isn’t essential... Same question for Ronda: should we dedicate a full day to it, or combine Ronda and the White Villages in one day? Note that we love wandering around villages outside, so that might answer my question! :)
Final question: Is it better to rent the car at Malaga Airport or in the city? If we rent at the airport, we’d need a hotel with parking, which doesn’t seem easy. Or stay outside the city and park for free near the center if possible? I’ve read comments about taking a taxi to Malaga and then picking up the rental car at the airport the next morning. The taxi would really need to be affordable...
Thanks so much for your feedback and suggestions for visits during this little circuit. Have a great day, everyone! Christine
Hello,
we’re a couple planning a 2-week road trip this August, with a must-stop (about 3 days on Skye). Any route suggestions? Hotel recommendations? Photo spots?