Traverser la frontière mexicaine depuis Tikal (Guatemala) en bus?
by Virgula2
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Est-ce possible ? Si oui, vers quelle ville mexicaine? L'idéal serait pour moi de remonter vers Campeche ou Merida, mais j'ai l'impression que c'est impossible.
Est-ce que ce serait plus simple en passant par le Belize?
Je sais qu'il y a des avions de Tikal pour Cancun, mais ils ont l'air très chers: est-ce bien le cas?
Merci pour vos infos!
Bonjour Virgula,
pour avoir déjà fait ce trajet, je ne passerais pas par le Mexique. Je suggère plutôt de passer par le Belize en autobus le circuit est très bien. Vous pouvez continuer en bus jusqu'au Yucatan vers le nord ensuite ou prendre un vol de l'aéroport de Belize city. Je pense que c'est plus sécuritaire, si vous êtes seule surtout. Le Belize est moins inquiétant que la frontière Guatemale-Mexique dans cette région. Si vous avez du temps, prenez le pour visiter le Belize qui est un très beau pays. La région de Placencia (bras de mer dans les caraïbes) et les îles sur le récif de corail c'est un paradis! Bon voyage, De
La vite va trop vite pour perdre ce précieux temps à tourner en rond sur nous-même! Il faut bouger! Voyager! Echanger! Découvrir ce monde! Bon voyage à tous!
Bonjour,
Je l'ai fait dans l'autre sens: de Chetumal au Mexique (départ vers 6h du matin), passage du Belize (sans s'arrêter) puis frontière Belize-Guatemala.
Arrivée à Flores (point de départ pour Tikal) vers 16h (si ma mémoire est bonne).
Plusieurs compagnies organisent ce trajet, facile et pas cher. Assez confortable aussi.
Chetumal est pas génial donc si tu peux éviter d'y dormir c'est pas plus mal.
Le passage des frontières s'effectue facilement, si tu parles qqs mots d'espagnol, c'est encore mieux.
A ta dispo pour plus d'infos Laurence
Plusieurs compagnies organisent ce trajet, facile et pas cher. Assez confortable aussi.
Chetumal est pas génial donc si tu peux éviter d'y dormir c'est pas plus mal.
Le passage des frontières s'effectue facilement, si tu parles qqs mots d'espagnol, c'est encore mieux.
A ta dispo pour plus d'infos Laurence
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🙂bonjour bien sur c'est plus simple par le bélize compter 2 jours en t'arrétent coucher au bélize une nuit
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Salut Lo73,
Je compte faire exactement le meme trajet que toi dans l'autre sens ; Flores-Passage du Belize pour rejoindre directement la frontiere mexicaine a Chetumal.
Je voudrais savoir si tu as du payer des droits de sorties aux frontieres entre ces pays... si oui, combien? Et pour les compagnies qui font le trajet Guatemala-Belize-Mexique (si elles le font dans un sens, je suppose qu'elle le font dans l'autre!), te souviens-tu des prix aussi?
Merci beaucoup!!
Je compte faire exactement le meme trajet que toi dans l'autre sens ; Flores-Passage du Belize pour rejoindre directement la frontiere mexicaine a Chetumal.
Je voudrais savoir si tu as du payer des droits de sorties aux frontieres entre ces pays... si oui, combien? Et pour les compagnies qui font le trajet Guatemala-Belize-Mexique (si elles le font dans un sens, je suppose qu'elle le font dans l'autre!), te souviens-tu des prix aussi?
Merci beaucoup!!
Bonsoir Emele,
J'ai ressorti des mes vieux tiroirs mes carnets de route et voilà le résultat (les prix sont ceux de mars 2006):
* Bus Chetumal-Flores 270 pesos mexicains par personne (je n'ai pas noté la compagnie)
* taxe pour quitter le Mexique: normalement aucune mais je me rapelle que la douanière voulait nous faire payer 10 USD par personne, chose que nous avons refusé car normalement on ne paie pas pour quitter le Mexique. Mais voilà, elle ne nous avait pas tout expliqué. En réentrant au Mexique (après notre tour au Guatemala), on nous a donné une facture. C'était une facture pour une taxe qu'il fallait aller payer avant de quitter le Mexique. Avec la facture reçue à la frontière, tu vas dans une banque, tu paies 210 pesos par personne et tu reçois un reçu comme preuve du paiement. En faisant les formalités de sortie du Mexique (à l'aéroport de Cancun dans notre cas), tu donnes ton reçu/preuve de paiement et tu es libre de quitter le pays. En fait, en arrivant au Mexique en avion, nous n'avions pas reçu de telle facture car la taxe de départ était comprise dans notre ticket d'avion (un charter par Thomas Cook, vol avec Martinair) mais cela ne vaut que pour une seule entrée (en réalité une sortie car tu paies à la sortie ou à la banque avant) et dans notre cas nous avons donc payé la deuxième fois! Après, avec le recul, on s'est dit que, très certainement la douanière qui avait voulu nous faire payer 10 USD à la frontière c'était pour nous permettre un 'double entry' mais on n'a jamais su la fin de l'histoire... C'est un peu compliqué...je ne sais pas si c'est clair? N'hésite pas si tu as des questions.
* taxe pour le Belize: 15 USD pp (à payer lorsque tu y rentres)
* taxe pour rentrer au Guatemala : 2 USD par personne
* taxe pour sortir du Guatemala: rien
* taxe pour rentrer au Mexique: rien mais reçu la fameuse facture à payer avant de sortir du Mexique
Bon j'espère ne pas avoir fait d'erreur car ça date déjà (et oui... le temps passe vite)
N'hésite pas à me contacter pour plus d'infos sur les frontières ou sur les payés visités Ciao Laurence
J'ai ressorti des mes vieux tiroirs mes carnets de route et voilà le résultat (les prix sont ceux de mars 2006):
* Bus Chetumal-Flores 270 pesos mexicains par personne (je n'ai pas noté la compagnie)
* taxe pour quitter le Mexique: normalement aucune mais je me rapelle que la douanière voulait nous faire payer 10 USD par personne, chose que nous avons refusé car normalement on ne paie pas pour quitter le Mexique. Mais voilà, elle ne nous avait pas tout expliqué. En réentrant au Mexique (après notre tour au Guatemala), on nous a donné une facture. C'était une facture pour une taxe qu'il fallait aller payer avant de quitter le Mexique. Avec la facture reçue à la frontière, tu vas dans une banque, tu paies 210 pesos par personne et tu reçois un reçu comme preuve du paiement. En faisant les formalités de sortie du Mexique (à l'aéroport de Cancun dans notre cas), tu donnes ton reçu/preuve de paiement et tu es libre de quitter le pays. En fait, en arrivant au Mexique en avion, nous n'avions pas reçu de telle facture car la taxe de départ était comprise dans notre ticket d'avion (un charter par Thomas Cook, vol avec Martinair) mais cela ne vaut que pour une seule entrée (en réalité une sortie car tu paies à la sortie ou à la banque avant) et dans notre cas nous avons donc payé la deuxième fois! Après, avec le recul, on s'est dit que, très certainement la douanière qui avait voulu nous faire payer 10 USD à la frontière c'était pour nous permettre un 'double entry' mais on n'a jamais su la fin de l'histoire... C'est un peu compliqué...je ne sais pas si c'est clair? N'hésite pas si tu as des questions.
* taxe pour le Belize: 15 USD pp (à payer lorsque tu y rentres)
* taxe pour rentrer au Guatemala : 2 USD par personne
* taxe pour sortir du Guatemala: rien
* taxe pour rentrer au Mexique: rien mais reçu la fameuse facture à payer avant de sortir du Mexique
Bon j'espère ne pas avoir fait d'erreur car ça date déjà (et oui... le temps passe vite)
N'hésite pas à me contacter pour plus d'infos sur les frontières ou sur les payés visités Ciao Laurence
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Merci beaucoup Lo73, ce sont exactement les infos que je cherchais! Je vais me renseigner un peu plus pour cette taxe de sortie du Mexique mais il me semble que j'avais déja lu quelque chose la dessus...Si je comprends bien, il faut payer la double entrée au Mexique : soit a la sortie du Mexique, soit quand tu y retournes (ils arrivent toujours á te coincer quelque part! 😉 ).
Pour les lieux á voir au Guatemala, je pensais, á partir de la frontiere mexicaine : quelques villages sur la route (Todos Santos), Lac Atitlan, Antigua, Tikal... puis retourner au Mexique. Je ne sais pas si le sud est (Livingston...) "doit" absolument etre rajouté sur la liste. A voir.
Merci encore,
Emele
Pour les lieux á voir au Guatemala, je pensais, á partir de la frontiere mexicaine : quelques villages sur la route (Todos Santos), Lac Atitlan, Antigua, Tikal... puis retourner au Mexique. Je ne sais pas si le sud est (Livingston...) "doit" absolument etre rajouté sur la liste. A voir.
Merci encore,
Emele
Salut Emele,
En effet, comme tu le dis bien, je te cite Si je comprends bien, il faut payer la double entrée au Mexique : soit a la sortie du Mexique, soit quand tu y retournes (ils arrivent toujours á te coincer quelque part! 😉 )., il faut payer d'une façon ou d'une autre mais je pense que payer un tampon 'double entry' revient moins cher que la fameuse taxe des 210 pesos...
Pour les endroits à visiter: quelques villages sur la route (Todos Santos) - nous n'avons rien visité entre la frontière et le Lac Atitlan Lac Atitlan: on a adoré, nous avons logé à Panajachel (assez pratique) et de là nous avons visité: Solola (le marché du dimanche nous a beaucoup plu et nous n'avons rencontré que 2 touristes); Santa Catarina de Palopo (à vélo, sympa mais ça grimpe bien); Santiago et San Pedro (sur la rive opposée), pas besoin de tour organisé, tu prends un bateau 'local' sans problèmes; et bien évidemment Chichicastenanago - assez touristique mais ça vaut le détour, il suffit de s'éloigner un rien du centre, de manger dans une cantine locale et c'est déjà moins bondé. Antigua: incontournable - attention les hôtels sont vite remplis Tikal: grandiose! Je ne sais pas si le sud est (Livingston...) "doit" absolument etre rajouté sur la liste. A voir. Je ne peux pas te renseigner, nous n'avons pas fait cette régiontoujours là pour + d'infos Ciao ciao Lo
En effet, comme tu le dis bien, je te cite Si je comprends bien, il faut payer la double entrée au Mexique : soit a la sortie du Mexique, soit quand tu y retournes (ils arrivent toujours á te coincer quelque part! 😉 )., il faut payer d'une façon ou d'une autre mais je pense que payer un tampon 'double entry' revient moins cher que la fameuse taxe des 210 pesos...
Pour les endroits à visiter: quelques villages sur la route (Todos Santos) - nous n'avons rien visité entre la frontière et le Lac Atitlan Lac Atitlan: on a adoré, nous avons logé à Panajachel (assez pratique) et de là nous avons visité: Solola (le marché du dimanche nous a beaucoup plu et nous n'avons rencontré que 2 touristes); Santa Catarina de Palopo (à vélo, sympa mais ça grimpe bien); Santiago et San Pedro (sur la rive opposée), pas besoin de tour organisé, tu prends un bateau 'local' sans problèmes; et bien évidemment Chichicastenanago - assez touristique mais ça vaut le détour, il suffit de s'éloigner un rien du centre, de manger dans une cantine locale et c'est déjà moins bondé. Antigua: incontournable - attention les hôtels sont vite remplis Tikal: grandiose! Je ne sais pas si le sud est (Livingston...) "doit" absolument etre rajouté sur la liste. A voir. Je ne peux pas te renseigner, nous n'avons pas fait cette régiontoujours là pour + d'infos Ciao ciao Lo
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bonsoir,
une petite question vu que je vais faire Mexique-Guatemala puis retourner au Mexique pour avoir une nouvelle carte de tourisme et re-bénéficier de 180 jours sur le territoire, la carte touristique pour aller au Mexique depuis le Guatemala, on se la procure comment ? 😕
merci d'avance 😉
une petite question vu que je vais faire Mexique-Guatemala puis retourner au Mexique pour avoir une nouvelle carte de tourisme et re-bénéficier de 180 jours sur le territoire, la carte touristique pour aller au Mexique depuis le Guatemala, on se la procure comment ? 😕
merci d'avance 😉
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But could I still be denied entry if they say I don’t cover the return date or that I’m too close to the 6-month mark?
Thanks for your feedback.
I saw on the French Embassy in Peru’s website and the Peruvian Consulate in Paris’s site that the rule is to have a passport valid for 6 months *after the arrival date* (not the return date).
I arrive in Peru on August 13, 2019 (for about twelve days), and my passport is valid until February 16, 2020.
That’s 6 months and 3 days after my arrival date in Peru. In my opinion, I’m good to go.
But could I still be denied entry if they say I don’t cover the return date or that I’m too close to the 6-month mark?
Thanks for your feedback.
Hi there,
I read on the French Ministry of Foreign Affairs website that it’s possible to apply for a temporary driving permit in China, valid for 1 month. I’m planning to rent a car (without a driver) to explore part of the country next August, so I was wondering:
Has anyone here already gone through this process upon arrival? How long do the formalities take on the spot? Is it possible to handle these steps in advance, before arriving in China?
Thanks in advance for your replies.
I read on the French Ministry of Foreign Affairs website that it’s possible to apply for a temporary driving permit in China, valid for 1 month. I’m planning to rent a car (without a driver) to explore part of the country next August, so I was wondering:
Has anyone here already gone through this process upon arrival? How long do the formalities take on the spot? Is it possible to handle these steps in advance, before arriving in China?
Thanks in advance for your replies.
Hi
Has anyone been to Rwanda recently and gotten a 3-month visa on arrival easily?
Thanks
Hi there,
My departure is slowly approaching, and now that I’ve got my Russian visa sorted, I’m fine-tuning the rest of my trip to Tajikistan. Since the Tajik visa is no longer required for stays under 30 days (for French nationals), I’ll need to visit the Ministry of Interior (OVIR) to register within 10 days of entering the country. No big deal, though, since I had to go there anyway to apply for my GBAO permit. 😉 However, I’ve *seen* several reports from travelers (mostly motorized) mentioning that you need an entry permit for Kyrgyzstan, which has to be arranged in advance at the Kyrgyz Ministry (consulate?) in Dushanbe. Otherwise, you’re *stuck* at the Kyzyl-Art border (with no Wi-Fi, of course, to try and sort it out). The most recent report was from a year ago, so I’d love to know if this is still the case and if it’s indeed at the Kyrgyz Ministry (consulate?) where you need to go for this pre-authorization.
Does anyone have any recent info on this?
Thanks in advance!
Hi everyone.
I’m leaving for almost 3 months in the Philippines (11 weeks total) starting in early May.
I already have my round-trip ticket.
The problem is, I don’t have time to get a 2-month visa because the process takes nearly a month.
From what I’ve read here and there, I need a return ticket valid for less than a month when I arrive in the Philippines to prove my good faith.
After that, I can apply for a 30-day extension at the immigration office.
I’m planning to either buy a fully refundable ticket to the nearest country or a fake ticket.
For 3 months, I’ll need to extend my visa two more times before my return date to France.
My question is this:
Will immigration ask me each time I extend my visa by one month to show proof of an exit ticket matching the new visa extension date?
Is it possible to extend directly by 2 months before the initial 30 days expire?
Thanks in advance for your experiences and tips! 😊
Hello to all the Thailand regulars.
I’ve been to Thailand several times, but it was about 20 years ago…
There’s a new system in place now, it seems.
TDAC – Thailand Digital Arrival Card.
Before arriving, I apply for a TDAC, okay. If during my stay I cross the border to spend a few days in Malaysia and then re-enter Thailand, do I need to submit a new TDAC application? Do I use the same TDAC as when I first entered the country?
Or do I initially have to pay for a Thai multi-entry visa?
Thanks in advance for your insights—I can’t find the answer online.
Pierre
I’ve been to Thailand several times, but it was about 20 years ago…
There’s a new system in place now, it seems.
TDAC – Thailand Digital Arrival Card.
Before arriving, I apply for a TDAC, okay. If during my stay I cross the border to spend a few days in Malaysia and then re-enter Thailand, do I need to submit a new TDAC application? Do I use the same TDAC as when I first entered the country?
Or do I initially have to pay for a Thai multi-entry visa?
Thanks in advance for your insights—I can’t find the answer online.
Pierre
My partner (Mexican) entered France on January 21st as a tourist. She was therefore entitled to stay for 90 days in the Schengen Area. She’ll be leaving for Mexico on April 16th, so she’ll have “used up” 86 days.
She plans to return to France on July 18th. According to the European Commission’s Schengen calculator, this new stay “may be authorized for a maximum of 90 days.” That’s not very clear ("may be," "for a maximum of").
The text of Article 6 of the European regulation (2016/399) states that for a stay planned in the territory of the Member States, not exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period, one must examine "the 180-day period preceding each day of the stay." That’s not very clear either.
My partner wants to return to France for a 90-day period starting on July 18th. Is this possible?
There are two ways to look at it:
1) The first day she spent in the Schengen Area was January 21st. That day will drop out of the calculation 180 days later, on July 20th.
From July 20th, she’ll get back 1 day of possible stay; on July 22nd, 2 days; and so on. All the days from her previous stay (January 21st–April 16th) need to be outside the 180-day rolling window. The last day of her stay was April 16th. Looking 180 days ahead, that brings us to October 13th. From that date, she’ll be able to return for a full 90 days. 2) The number of allowed days is calculated for each day of the new stay. In other words: the 180-day window is recalculated every day, not fixed at the entry date. If she re-enters France on July 18th, she’ll only have a “credit” of 4 days. But with each day of her new stay, one day from the previous stay (January–April) will drop out of the calculation. The rolling window allows her to “replace” days from the previous stay with those of the new stay, without ever exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period. In this case, my partner could stay in France for 90 days starting on July 18th. The Prefecture doesn’t provide any information, nor does Air France, and in the forums I’ve checked, opinions are divided. Thanks for any insights you can share!
She plans to return to France on July 18th. According to the European Commission’s Schengen calculator, this new stay “may be authorized for a maximum of 90 days.” That’s not very clear ("may be," "for a maximum of").
The text of Article 6 of the European regulation (2016/399) states that for a stay planned in the territory of the Member States, not exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period, one must examine "the 180-day period preceding each day of the stay." That’s not very clear either.
My partner wants to return to France for a 90-day period starting on July 18th. Is this possible?
There are two ways to look at it:
1) The first day she spent in the Schengen Area was January 21st. That day will drop out of the calculation 180 days later, on July 20th.
From July 20th, she’ll get back 1 day of possible stay; on July 22nd, 2 days; and so on. All the days from her previous stay (January 21st–April 16th) need to be outside the 180-day rolling window. The last day of her stay was April 16th. Looking 180 days ahead, that brings us to October 13th. From that date, she’ll be able to return for a full 90 days. 2) The number of allowed days is calculated for each day of the new stay. In other words: the 180-day window is recalculated every day, not fixed at the entry date. If she re-enters France on July 18th, she’ll only have a “credit” of 4 days. But with each day of her new stay, one day from the previous stay (January–April) will drop out of the calculation. The rolling window allows her to “replace” days from the previous stay with those of the new stay, without ever exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period. In this case, my partner could stay in France for 90 days starting on July 18th. The Prefecture doesn’t provide any information, nor does Air France, and in the forums I’ve checked, opinions are divided. Thanks for any insights you can share!
Hello,
We’re planning to travel to Indonesia (Sulawesi with family) next July and August for a stay longer than a month (about 6 weeks).
I’ve seen that it’s possible to get a 60-day visa before departure, but I’ve also read about people having a lot of trouble getting it (some even didn’t manage and had to leave without it).
We absolutely need to have these 4 visas BEFORE leaving because once we’re in Sulawesi, I’m not sure we’ll be able to go to an embassy to request a visa extension after 30 days.
In short, how can we **100% guarantee** that we’ll get our 4 60-day visas before our trip this summer?
Thanks for your valuable tips!
Elodie
In short, how can we **100% guarantee** that we’ll get our 4 60-day visas before our trip this summer?
Thanks for your valuable tips!
Elodie





