Bonjour
Merci d'avance de votre aide, de vos conseils et de vos commentaires.
Nous effectuons un voyage au Japon du 3 au 12 octobre prochain (dates d'arrivée et départ Osaka)
Je sais que nous nous y prenons tard mais la décision vient seulement d'être prise.
Notre itinéraire prévisionnel est le suivant
1ère Partie : Samedi 3 - dimanche 4 lundi 5 mardi 6 et mercredi 7 : KYOTO
colloque pour mon mari et visites en solo pour moi) Mardi 6 octobre après midi : fin du colloque et visite ensemble du Pavillon d'argent. NB : check out de l'hôtel du colloque le 6
à trouver à KYOTO un hébergement sympa à prix raisonnable pour le mardi 6
2ème partie : 5 nuits itinérantes du 7 au soir au 12 octobre au matin
Nous écartons Tokyo que nous aimons beaucoup mais que nous avons déjà visité
Après beaucoup de recherches nous avons pensé aux villes suivantes mais nous ne savons pas dans quel ordre ni par quel moyen de locomotion nous rendre d'une à l'autre.
OSAKA
KINOSAKI ONSEN
KOYA-SAN
NARA
Nous avons pensé à commencer par Osaka le 7 octobre où nous souhaiterions ensuite stocker nos bagages encombrants (matériel conférence...) et voyager plus léger, mais ce n'est pas une obligation.
Nous sommes également tentés par KOBE HIROSHIMA et BEPPU mais sommes bien conscients qu'il faudra faire des choix compte tenu des 5 nuits dont nous disposons
Contrainte : Nuit du dimanche 11 impérativement à OSAKA puisque nous repartons le lendemain matin 12 octobre.
Nos questions :
IITINERAIRE le mieux adapté compte tenu de ce qui précède
Moyen de transport (pass à acheter avant de partir ? Billets de train individuels ?une location de voiture avec la contrainte du permis à faire traduire en japonais est elle envisageable?)
Nos préférences en matière de sites :
Goûts simples. Paysages, campagnes, forêts, lacs... (nous sommes des passionnés de la cueillette de champignons) Lieux authentiques, rencontre avec les habitants. Peu de temples car nous en avons déjà visité beaucoup lors de notre précédent voyage
HÉBERGEMENT
une nuit dans un monastère, Ryokans simples - business hôtels - confort raisonnable à prix abordables.
RESTAURATION
Nous apprécions particulièrement la cuisine japonaise (restaurants et autres plans pique-niques bienvenus)
Notre Luxe : nous tenons absolument à nous offrir au court de ce voyage un dîner d'exception et goûter le célébrissime bœuf de Kobe. Avez vous un restaurant à recommander ?
Toutes vos suggestions seront appréciées. Un grand merci pour votre aide
Kinosaki et Koyasan, je dirais une nuit sur place, pour le reste, rester au même endroit (Kyoto par exemple)
Nous avons pensé à commencer par Osaka le 7 octobre où nous souhaiterions ensuite stocker nos bagages encombrants (matériel conférence...) et voyager plus léger, mais ce n'est pas une obligation.
Non, ce n'est pas une obligation, c'est juste une possibilité. Osaka et Kyoto sont très proches.
Contrainte : Nuit du dimanche 11 impérativement à OSAKA puisque nous repartons le lendemain matin 12 octobre.
Toujours pas d'obligation. Kyoto peut aussi faire l'affaire.
pass à acheter avant de partir ?
Le JR Pass est à acheter avant, mais ne serait pas rentable à moins d'aller jusqu'à Beppu.
Il me semble que les autres pass peuvent s'acheter sur place (à vérifier).
une location de voiture avec la contrainte du permis à faire traduire en japonais est elle envisageable?
Oui, il y a une agence de la JAF à Kyoto. La démarche est très rapide, de quelques minutes à quelques heures (et on n'est pas obligé d'attendre sur place).
Peu de temples car nous en avons déjà visité beaucoup lors de notre précédent voyage
Dans ce cas, peut-être privilégier Osaka-Kobe par rapport à Kyoto...
Goûts simples. Paysages, campagnes, forêts, lacs... (nous sommes des passionnés de la cueillette de champignons) Lieux authentiques, rencontre avec les habitants.
Un must à Kyoto : la randonnée Kibune-Kurama avec repas les pieds dans l'eau (quoiqu'en octobre, elle doit être frisquette) pour commencer et onsen au milieu des montagnes pour finir.
Notre Luxe : nous tenons absolument à nous offrir au court de ce voyage un dîner d'exception et goûter le célébrissime bœuf de Kobe. Avez vous un restaurant à recommander ?
Le mieux est de réserver une nuit dans un ryokan à Kinosaki. Vous aurez à la fois l'ambiance originale, le dîner kaiseki et la nuit en chambre japonaise ^^
Quant au boeuf de Kobe, on peut en manger partout (pas d'adresse particulière à donner).
je suis nouvelle sur ce forum et je dois dire que je suis impressionnée. un grand merci Masterpo pour vos réponses précieuses et aussi rapides. cela va vraiment nous aider :-)
Difficile de passer après masterpo... mais je vais quand même essayer de compléter... globalement.
Déjà, si vous ne savez pas trop quoi visiter pendant que monsieur "colloquera", j'ai pas mal d'adresses à vous proposer, ainsi que quelques petits itinéraires sympas...
Pour vos 5 nuits itinérantes, il y a un "truc" sympa à faire au départ de Kyoto...
- Amanohasidate: une des trois plus belles vues du Japon.
- Kinosaki: pour une expérience unique des onsens.
- Matsue: pour un mélange entre tradition, château et jardin-musée exceptionnel
- Hiroshima: pour l'Histoire que l'on ne présente plus
- Miyajima: pour la magie d'une île dans laquelle les hommes et les dieux vivent en harmonie... et la deuxième des vues les plus belles du Japon.
Pas de temples, des paysages inoubliables, mais pas vraiment le temps de chercher des champignons...
Pour ce qui est de manger du "boeuf de Kobe"... Soit c'est tellement cher que l'on se demande pourquoi on paie si cher pour une viande très tendre... ou alors on mange un "vrai" yakiniku avec de la viande provenant d'une des trois meilleures races du Japon... dont fait partie le bœuf de Mie (qui sera ensuite engraissé à Kobe...) La meilleure adresse, rapport qualité/prix que je connaisse est à Osaka, non loin de Namba, près du temple Hozenji. Son nom est Matsuzakagyu.
Koyasan, c'est un site religieux. Donc des temples... encore des temples et nuit dans un temple. Ensuite, visite d'un cimetière. et du mausolée Tokugawa... Cela dit, moi, j'aime beaucoup.
Kobe... il n'y a pas grand chose, à comparer de Kyoto, Nara et Osaka, bien sur. A part un quartier Chinois, un secteur Hollandais et une superbe vue du mont Rokko... si il fait beau.
Mes 25 ans de séjours au japon! http://www.soleilrouge.org/
Okinawa et Miyakojima: https://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=6477376;idl3=9084144203&idl=3731943&idl2=8709057
Sakura: Balade de printemps: https://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=6988760;idl3=9084144203&idl=3731943&idl2=8709057
Contrainte : Nuit du dimanche 11 impérativement à OSAKA puisque nous repartons le lendemain matin 12 octobre.
Bonjour,
Tout dépend de l'horaire de l'avion, mais il y a des trains semi-directs Kyoto - aéroport KIX : il n'est pas absolument indispensable de dormir à Osaka. Le critère principal, c'est plutôt de dormir à proximité de l'une des gares reliées à KIX.
Je voyagerai uniquement en train et bus. Quelqu'un connait-il les horaires du bus qui va d'Utoro à Rausu en passant par le col de Shiretoko, à l'aller et au…
Souhaite retourner au Japon en octobre 2014 mais j aimerais visiter une region le seul probleme c est que j hesite alors j aimerai avoir des avis quelle region…
I’m planning a trip around Italy using only trains or public transport in October (hoping the weather stays nice!).
I’d obviously like to see some tourist destinations, but I also want to get off the beaten path a bit, and I’m hoping to find some help here? I don’t plan to linger too long in the cities.
Starting in the north, I’d like to visit Lake Como or Lake Orta, pass through the Cinque Terre for some hiking, spend a few days in Naples and Rome, then head down to Sicily.
Hi there,
I’ll be traveling to Japan this coming August. We’ve finalized our itinerary and booked our flight tickets. Now I’m at the stage of buying train tickets for the few segments we’ll need to cover:
Tokyo - Hakone
Hakone - Kyoto
Kyoto - Osaka
Osaka - Tokyo
Here are my questions:
a) Is it possible to buy train tickets for these segments from Canada?
b) If so, which website should I use to do this?
c) And if it is possible, will we be able to print our tickets from Canada?
d) If it’s not possible, where in Tokyo should I go to buy these tickets when I arrive?
Hi everyone, I wanted to take the Paris-Berlin overnight train with a sleeper berth, the new service operated by European Sleepers.
24/05/2026 17:45 Paris-Nord (actually 16:00 from Paris Bercy Seine) -> 25/05/2026 9:59 (actually 7:30 in Berlin)
05/06/2026 18:31 Berlin (actually 20:00) -> 06/06/2026 10:00 Paris Nord (actually 12:30)
Part of the journey was operated by bus instead of the promised overnight train.
For 2 people: 340 € round trip
A total disaster. Never again. I was really looking forward to taking the overnight train, but we faced last-minute changes and truly unpleasant travel conditions. Here are the details:
1) 2 days before departure: email announcing a change of departure station for the outbound trip—Bercy Seine bus station instead of Gare du Nord.
2) Change of schedule: 4:00 PM from Bercy instead of 5:45 PM from Gare du Nord.
3) Change of transport mode!! A bus from Paris to Brussels, then an overnight train from Brussels to Berlin. No functional toilets on the bus. No children under 4 allowed on the bus.
4) On the sleeper train at 9:30 PM: no functional toilets in our carriage, so we had to go to other carriages, even in the middle of the night, to find working ones.
5) The onboard staff, though very friendly, were as lost as we were. In particular, they didn’t know how to handle the lower berths, so people using them had less space (armrests and backrests). Berth numbers weren’t respected, so some passengers had to move. The staff also didn’t know who was supposed to join the compartment during the journey.
6) Arrival at 7:30 AM in Berlin instead of 10:00 AM. No arrival announcement. Passengers had to search for staff to get breakfast and ended up with just a coffee (breakfast = 15 €, not bad for just a coffee).
7) Return trip: drastic schedule change announced by email on 26/05/2026—departure at 7:30 PM instead of 6:30 PM, with arrival between 12:00 PM and 1:00 PM in Paris instead of 10:00 AM. No change in transport mode announced.
8) Change in transport mode announced by email on the same day (05/06/2026)!! Overnight train from Brussels to Berlin, then a bus from Paris to Brussels. No functional toilets on the bus. Children under 4 banned from the bus, and families in this situation were asked to find another way—after being notified the same day.
9) The overnight train arrived at Berlin station with a 30-minute delay on top of its initial delay (scheduled for 6:31 PM, then 7:30 PM, finally arriving at 8:00 PM). The heating was blasting in the compartment with no way to turn it off. No functional toilets in the carriage. From that point on, customer service stopped responding to my messages.
10) Woken up at 5:00 AM with an announcement in all carriages about arrival in Liège.
11) Woken up again at 6:00 AM to be told we’d arrive in Brussels at 7:00 AM.
12) Arrival in Brussels at 7:00 AM and a one-hour wait for the bus to Paris. No functional toilets on the bus.
13) Arrival at Paris Nord at 12:30 PM, so 2.5 hours late compared to the originally scheduled time.
14) The overnight trains used are very old—I recognized the carriages from 20 years ago!! No functional power outlets, no Wi-Fi, no air conditioning. Five people per compartment is a bit cramped, but I consider these conditions expected (especially the air conditioning), so I’m not complaining about that. There’s already plenty to gripe about with the travel conditions.
I have little hope of getting even a partial refund. Customer service emails acknowledge the discomfort but only offer to reimburse the cost of a coffee on board if we send them the receipt... a bit weak.
I’m sharing this experience in the hope it might help others.
Hi there,
I’d like to take the Train of the Clouds from Lima to Huancayo.
I’ve heard it only runs during certain periods.
Does anyone have info on this?
Thanks!
HuancayoHuancayo
As part of my professional thesis, I’m conducting a study on the evolution of long-distance rail transport in France, particularly since it opened up to competition.
I’ve put together a very quick (about 5-minute) and completely anonymous questionnaire. Your answers will help me better understand users' expectations regarding pricing, frequency, and environmental impact.
We’re planning a 15-day trip to Uzbekistan in March—classic independent itinerary: Tashkent, Samarkand, Bukhara, Khiva. We’d like to take the train between each city, but I don’t want to lock down the whole trip before we leave.
So, my question is: is it absolutely necessary to book train tickets before departure, whether for the high-speed trains or the regional ones? Is booking really essential for the regional trains?
Hello,
We’re traveling as a family with two boys aged 10 and 12 to Cairo in February. During our trip, we’re planning to take an overnight train (with or without a sleeper) for the Cairo-Aswan route.
Do you know how I can book this remotely?
Also, I’m looking for:
- A local contact to sail the Nile by felucca for 3 days from Aswan
- A contact to guide us in Cairo
Looking forward to your tips, and thanks in advance!
Marie
Hi everyone,
I first traveled solo to Japan in 2019, exploring the Kyushu region (28 days), and I’m planning to return with my daughter (she’s an adult and it’ll be her first time in Asia) from April 25 to May 9.
I’m reaching out on this forum to ask for route ideas—this time north of Tokyo, but without heading to the Sapporo island (I’m saving that for a future trip).
I’d love to take advantage of the cherry blossom season and its festivities.
I’m looking to create a route that’s a little off the beaten path while staying within 5-6 hours by train from Tokyo to avoid spending too much time on transfers.
Thanks in advance for sharing your suggestions and experiences!
Michael
I'm heading to MEXICO IN NOVEMBER 2025. Since private guides and drivers are really expensive—over 300 € per day—I'm thinking of exploring the Yucatán by train. CAN YOU SHARE ANY INFO ON THIS? Thanks
Hi there!
We’re planning to visit Serbia (1 week) and then Montenegro (2nd week) with our kids from April 18 to May 4. We’d prefer to travel by train (overnight if possible), but we’re not sure which platform to book on or when to do it (is it too early?). If anyone has any tips, I’m all ears!!
I wanted to know if it’s possible to go from Tashkent to Almaty by train without passing through Kyrgyzstan. I’ve heard the border is often closed 😕 between Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan.
Thanks in advance!
Olivier
Hi there!
We’re planning to head back to Istanbul next year—obviously by plane—and then take the train from Istanbul to Antalya. Has anyone here already made this trip by train with TCDD?
I’d love any tips or info that could be useful for us!
I'd like to go to Montserrat on my own from Barcelona. Share your suggestions with me.
Which train should I take, where to get off, what to see once I arrive, etc.
I need to take a sleeper train from Bangkok to Vientiane in January.
I found some ticket options on 12Go Asia, but booking doesn’t seem possible at the moment. I’ve tried simulations for several dates, but no luck.
I’m wondering if it’s already fully booked, if they’ve stopped selling tickets… yet 12Go still features it every day 😕
Has anyone else run into this issue?
Can I find tickets on another site? (I tried Baolau, but no sleepers left for January 8th.)
Hi there,
I’m a bit late to be worrying about this, but hopefully someone can help me before I leave.
Tomorrow afternoon, I arrive at Lyon Part-Dieu on the TGV at 5:50 PM and take the TER to Mâcon at 6:16 PM. Is a 26-minute transfer doable? Are the TGV and TER on the same departure board? And are they on the same platforms too?
I’ve been to Lyon before but never had to make a connection after arriving.
Thanks
I can’t seem to complete the payment for my trip on the IRCTC (Indian Railways) site. No matter which payment method I choose, my Visa card isn’t accepted.
Has anyone here managed to do it, and if so, could you share the method you used?
Thanks in advance!
Charlie
Starting November 15th, I’ll be arriving in Thailand, and during my stay, I plan to visit the north, around the Chiang Mai area, then head south to the Krabi region.
After Krabi, I’m planning to take an overnight train to Bangkok. I was wondering if there’s a train that leaves from Krabi or Trang, or if I absolutely have to go to Surat Thani?
Also, which official website can I use to book my ticket?
Next, since I’ll be arriving at dawn in Bangkok, I’ve planned to spend 2 days in Kanchanaburi. What’s the most convenient way to get there—bus or train? And if you know any companies or websites, that’d be great.
Hi there,
Does anyone know if there’s a bus from Luang Namtha to Boten to catch the train coming from China to Vientiane? If so, what’s the name of the company? Also, how long does the bus take to cover that distance? What’s the condition of the road like?
Thanks for your help!
Tom
I just realized there’s only one payment method accepted for booking the Mombasa-Nairobi express train ticket online: M-Pesa, a mobile money transfer service used in Africa. Would it be impossible to book as a European?
I’d love to know if any of you have recently eaten on the overnight train from Bangkok to Chiang Mai.
We’ve always ordered food on the train, and it was really good (and super convenient).
But in 2022, we ended up feeling like total idiots (with our 4-year-old daughter...) when we boarded the train only to find out that this service was no longer available... (It was the first time we’d traveled right after COVID.)
That’s also when we saw once again how kind Thai people are—they all offered to share their food with us, even though we were mortified. In the end, we managed to buy some instant noodles, which was better than nothing. Anyway, that’s the little story behind it.
In the following years, we’ve always brought our own meals.
I’ve read online that meal trays are back in service (could you confirm this, please?), but that the quality is really poor. I’ve also seen multiple reports that, even though you can eat well everywhere in Thailand, the train meal was the worst food travelers had during their trip...
Could you give me a recent opinion on this?
We’ll be departing from Krung Thep Aphiwat Central Station—do you know if there’s anywhere to buy a meal there before boarding the train?
Thanks so much for your help,
and have a great Sunday!
We’re heading to Thailand in February 2026 and we’d like to take the overnight train from Bangkok to Chiang Mai. Can we book two first-class tickets? I’m only seeing second-class options.
Hi everyone,
For traveling in Rajasthan by train and bus, could you give me some info: where to buy tickets, cost, purchase locations, websites, etc.?
Any tips you have would be super helpful.
Thanks
We’re traveling to Java on October 23, just the two of us.
I’ve read that it’s best to book train tickets in advance on tiket.com.
Is that true, and how far ahead do you recommend?
Are the tickets changeable?
Hi everyone,
I’m planning to travel from Ulaanbaatar to Irkutsk by train this summer but I’m a bit worried about crossing the borders. How does it work? Could anyone share their experience? (I’ve found quite a few accounts of people going *from* Russia *to* Mongolia, but entering a country is never the same as leaving it—especially in this context!)
Can anyone tell me how to book train tickets online? We're planning to travel from HANOI to HO CHI MINH CITY by train, making several stops along the way. I'd also like to find the schedules and the stations where the trains stop.
There are four of us, and we've already planned stops in HANOI / DONG HOI / HUE.
I’m heading to Japan for the second time with my 20-year-old son. During our first trip, we spent two weeks in Tokyo and Kyoto (plus the surrounding areas).
This time, we’re planning to stay in Tokyo for at least 4-5 days and then head to the island of Naoshima.
I’m looking for suggestions and advice:
Is getting to Naoshima from Tokyo complicated? If so, do you have any recommendations for a stopover somewhere? Given that we’d prefer not to move every day, we’d rather settle in one place and then explore on day trips...
Do you think it’s possible to do something like this:
5 nights in Tokyo (Shinjuku)
3 nights in Kyoto
2 nights in Naoshima (or is one night enough??) and if one night is enough, where could I spend a second night on the way back to Tokyo?
2 nights in Tokyo (I’d love your advice on staying in a different neighborhood—last time we stayed near Ueno Park)—keeping in mind we’re flying out of Narita.
I’m considering maybe skipping Kyoto, which I love but has apparently become *very* touristy...
Not really keen on Osaka... since we’ll already have done Tokyo as our "big city." I’d prefer towns where nature is present... (a bit like Kyoto, which offers all that...)
For info, we’ll be traveling by train.
Thanks in advance for all your suggestions and help!
I have one last little question:
Is cash still widely used in Japan, or not at all anymore?
We’re planning this *very* last-minute—I know! But we’d love to spend 4 days soon (within the next 10–12 days) on a city getaway with our young adult kids. Ideally by train, and for this short trip, we’d prefer not to spend more than 4–6 hours in transit, leaving from Lausanne (Switzerland). We’ve been considering Milan, Strasbourg, or Freiburg im Breisgau, but I’ll admit I’m feeling a bit lost...
Venice was our original plan, but the connection changes in Domodossola or Milan are making the travel time longer this year.
It’s peak summer, so there’ll be tourists and it’ll likely be hot, but oh well...
Any suggestions? We love wandering around, taking photos, exploring cities on foot, trying out restaurants, and keeping things low-key.