Un conseil pour ceux qiu recherche un organisateur 4*4 pour le Maroc, eviter à tout prix Baroud Land : on vous fera rouler 8h/9h /jour (vous n'aurez que l'info de 300kms par jour sur le devis le reste c au client de deviner combien de temps cela prend sur pistes) partir de nuit, arriver le soir au bivouac de nuit, dans un stress permanent et une mauvaise ambiance insufflée par l'organisateur qui n'est pas du tout dans la concertation d'un groupe mais dans l'imposition d'un programme sans souplesse autorisée malgré un mécontentement général et une critique permanente bien souvent personnelle.
Bref à eviter si vous voulez passe de bonnes vacances, cela me parait important de faire profiter à d'autres voyageurs notre experience pour que cela ne soit pas subi par d'autres.
cette agence est très loin d'être la seule à répondre aux nombreuses demandes des touristes : faire une excursion en 3 jours dans les dunes au départ de Marrakech (pour ne citer qu'un périple du genre, mais il y en a bien d'autres).
ça rapporte !
Il appartient peut-être à chacun de vérifier la réalité du terrain, avant de contractualiser.
Il y a sur ce forum comme sur d'autres sites de conseils aux voyageurs, de nombreuses discussions qui décrivent cette réalité.
on vous fera rouler 8h/9h /jour (vous n'aurez que l'info de 300kms par jour sur le devis le reste c au client de deviner combien de temps cela prend sur pistes
Penser rouler à 100 km/h sur des pistes est franchement irréaliste.
"imposition d'un programme" : vous ne l'aviez pas lu avant ?
Bonjour,
Vous avez choisi une societé (qui n'est pas une agence, et qui n'est rien au Maroc) qui vend des raids, avec l'ambiance raid, pourquoi vous etonner qu'ils respectent leurs descriptifs.
300km de route au Maroc , cest 6 à 7 h, et sur piste facile presque 10.
Bonjour,
Le mieux est de mettre une annonce sur un site ou forum 4x4 pour rechercher 2 ou 3 équipages et faire les pistes ensemble (moins cher et plus convivial).
Un GPS permettra de télécharger les traces et il ne vous restera plus qu'à les suivre !
A+
Ce qui compte pour la richesse, ce n'est pas d'en disposer mais d'en profiter !!
.... le tout est de savoir avant que 300kms = 9h de route...
Mais la logique, que la logique, ma bonne dame.
Un raid sur piste n'est pas un troncon d'autoroute et ne se fait pas en jet !
Si c'était pour vous promener accompagné avec votre 4x4 vous auriez du en connaitre les limites.
Si c'etait pour faire des excusions il eut fallu choisir une vraie agence touristique marocaine adaptée.
Je pense que tout le monde peut se faire avoir , mais 300kms de pistes en 9/10h ça me parait correct sur piste . Avec ma voiture je roule parfois à 30kms /heure en montagne sur route et 50/60 sur route en dehors des passages de montagne .
Vous auriez dû demander des précisions à cet organisateur , mais surtout il aurait dû vous en donner pour faire en sorte que tout se passe bien pour son groupe .
Ce retour auras comme avantage de pouvoir avertir d'autres voyageurs .
Pour la petite histoire combien avez vous paye ce "raid" ? .
Bonsoir.
Raid ? Vous avez dit raid. Alors regardez la définition :
http://www.larousse.fr/dictionnaires/francais/raid/6622
Parcourir le maximum de distance pour éprouver le matériel ou les personnes, c'est ce qui vous a été offert. C'est un mot que j'évite d'employer, parlez plutôt de balade ou de voyage. Trop de monde part en "raid", d'autres en baroud ????? C'est bien dommage pour eux. mais quand on voit le comportement de certains groupes, le terme convient.
Cordialement.
c'était d'autres activités qui etaient imposées au programme annoncées que sur place, et la majorité du groupe ne les souhaitant pas (6/8 qd meme) on y a quand meme été, le bin sens aurait été quand même de respecter la majorité mais comme c'était l'idée de l'organisateur nous avons tous attendu....
la distance etait respectée, c sur ce qui est regrettable, c'est de ne pas donner l'équivalent en terme de roulage sur les devis cela aurait été plus transparent de la part du vendeur et aurait permis d'éviter la déconvenue de la majorité du groupe pris au dépourvu, je faisais des devis de voyages touristiques et j'ai toujours indiqué temps de roulage et kms, on prend une agence pour cela
après chacun pense ce qu'il veut l'essentiel etant de poser les bonnes questions effectivement et la prochaine fois ce sera fait....chat echaudé craint l'eau froide
Merci c'est ce que je pense aussi !
environ 1000 euros par personne pour une douzaine de jours sur place, mais nous n'en avons que fait la moitié, nous avons souhaité partir et retrouver un rythme plus décent et surtout éviter les accidents que les autres ont eu ou réparations excessives par usage sur-intensif des véhicules non prévus pour de telles ration distance- vitesse...
domage pour vous,
quand j'étais jeune et quelques Toys précedents, internet n'existait pas, ni le gps , donc la premiere fois je suis parti avec une agence francaise en tunisie, petit groupe flexible
et hop l'année d'après je repars au maroc aussi avec une agence francaise et la surprise 30 4x4 des roadbooks et rouler a fond jusque le soir dans le noir, pfff beaucoup trop de monde
toujours dans la meme periode je trouve un organisateur qui fait un bouclé jusque a dakar via la mauritanie, je vais chez l'organisateur en france pour faire connaissance et le groupe serra pas plus grand que 13 voitures et au roadbook, je craque, bon il était vraiment expert pour la navigation et les connaissances sur place, mais le matin reveil au clairon trés trés tot, briefing et pour arriver au bivouac le soir il falait rouler a fond toute la journée sans pouvoir profiter, et il y a ue dans le groupe un accident très grave a cause de la Vitesse que l'organisateur nous imposait, plus jamais cela je m'étais dit
pour les prochains raid (eeuh voyages) je les ai fait tout seul ou bien avec de personnes que j'avais rencontres avant et toujours creé de petit groupes, ce qui c'est toujours bien déroulé ,
ici sur le forum ou d'autres forum il y a des rubriques pour rechercher de covoyageurs,
et l'on peut concocter de tres beau voyages sans se payer des organisateurs
par ex mon dernier voyage c'était au senegal avec comme covoyageur Lucky33 ;-)
Merci des conseils c'est probablement ce que nos s ferons la prochaine fois
Je pense que pas mal de gens ont eu ce genre de mésaventures qui n'arrivent qu'une seule fois lol
Hi there,
I’m planning a trip to Russia and Mongolia, starting from France.
Crossing the border at Poland/Belarus or Georgia/Russia—other borders seem either closed or complicated.
Tourist visas for 3 months with multiple entries.
Do you have any info on Russian companies that cover a 4x4 vehicle for 3 months, and what prices in rubles or euros you’ve paid?
Which bank did you use for expenses? (EuroMastercard and Visa cards no longer work.)
Regarding Russian SIM cards, a new system called "Gosuslugi" has been introduced. How long did it take you to get one, and what steps did you follow?
Hi,
we’re planning to visit a park again.
Could you point us toward the camps in Gonarezhou Park?
>We’re traveling completely self-sufficiently.
We love wildlife.
Thanks for any tips you can share!
JP
Hi there, we’ll be in Mozambique in early December 2026 and we’d like to travel from Vilanculos to Beira by car or bus to reach Beira airport. After that, we’re planning to visit Gorongosa National Park before flying back to France from Beira. From what we’ve heard, the road to Beira is tricky, especially at this time of year (start of the rainy season). Could anyone share their thoughts or suggest a solution? Thanks so much for your help!
Anne
Hi there,
I’m heading to Lesotho in a few days and I’m struggling to find info on the best route between Katse Dam and Sehlathebe National Park. There’s a fairly "direct" route from Thaba Tseka, but the roads seem rough, and we’re not exactly 4x4 pros. Anyone have any tips to share? Thanks!
Hi everyone,
We’re heading to Mozambique in October and are looking for either a 4x4 or 4x2 rental in Maputo, or a driver transfer option to reach:
- Ponta Do Ouro
- Tofo
- Vilankulos
The idea is to be self-sufficient for sightseeing and stops while still being able to access certain lodges or beaches that require a 4x2.
Do you have any contacts, addresses, or ideas to share?
Thanks in advance,
Hello,
We're hitting the road again in 2027 to discover new countries and cultures.
Could anyone give me some tips on driving from Ulaanbaatar to Lake Baikal and the route to take?
Thanks, and safe travels to those who are setting off!
We’re planning a 4x4 trip from Belgium to Central Asia, passing through Georgia, Russia, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, and Kyrgyzstan.
For these countries, our national insurance obviously doesn’t cover the vehicle, so we’ll need to get local insurance.
Will it be a problem if the vehicle is registered under person A and the national insurance is under person B? Both A and B will be in the vehicle, and both will be listed as drivers on the insurance.
When we get the local insurance, if we again list A and B as drivers, does the order matter? Could we get stuck at the border for this reason?
Hi,
For those who’ve driven on Iceland’s gravel roads in their own or a rented Duster, could you tell me what tires were fitted on the vehicle?
Were they All Terrain tires or more "standard" ones like all-season tires, for example?
Follow-up question: if they were "standard" tires, did that cause any issues on the gravel roads and rough terrain?
Thanks so much for any info you can share.
Best,
Marc
Hi there,
I'm planning a 4x4 road trip from Darwin to Broome with a rooftop tent in July 2026.
I'd like to know if I need to book overnight stops in advance or if I can just wing it and stop wherever I feel like it?
Some evenings, we'd like to stop and make use of campsite facilities (restaurant, shop, showers, toilets).
What do you recommend?
Do I need a permit?
My rough itinerary looks like this:
Darwin - Kakadu
Kakadu - Nitmiluk
Nitmiluk - Kununurra
Kununurra - Purnululu
Purnululu - El Questro
El Questro - Mt Elizabeth - Bell Gorge - Broome
I’m planning a trip to Iceland for next July-August, with a car and tent, and I’m wondering about booking campsites.
From your experience, is it necessary or even essential to book campsites in advance, or do you always manage to find a spot to pitch your tent?
We’ll also have the option to sleep in the car without pitching the tent.
Does that give us the flexibility to stay outside a campsite for a night here and there?
Hi,
I’m planning a road trip in the Middle Atlas, starting and ending in Fez and heading down to the south of Midelt, the Assoul Massif.... We’ll be traveling with two small 4x4s.
I’m looking for detailed maps of this region that include small roads and tracks.
Last year, we had a fantastic road trip in the Anti-Atlas and High Atlas using Erfahren maps, but unfortunately, they don’t cover the area we’re interested in this year.
Thanks for your suggestions!
Dominique
We’re planning a 13-day family road trip in Morocco this July, with six people in a Toyota Prado 4x4 (renting in Marrakech).
We’ll alternate between bivouacking and small hotels/riads depending on the stops.
Here’s the planned route (in this order):
Marrakech
→ Ouarzazate
→ Draa Valley
→ Zagora
→ Erg Chegaga
→ Lake Iriki
→ Foum Zguid
→ Tata
→ Tafraoute
→ Aït Mansour
→ Tiznit
→ Mirleft
→ Taroudant
→ Back to Marrakech
Our goal:
Atlas Mountains + desert + dunes + plateaus + valleys + a bit of coastline.
We’ll cover about 1,700 km in total.
We’re planning:
Bivouacking in the Chegaga/Iriki area
Flexible for the rest (booking the day before or same day)
Sand gear: traction plates, compressor, tow strap, roof rack
Questions:
Is the Zagora → Chegaga → Iriki → Foum Zguid crossing in July doable on our own (single vehicle, no guide)?
Are there any truly technical or risky sections between Chegaga and Iriki?
Does the overall itinerary seem manageable in 13 days without rushing?
Any suggestions for great bivouac spots or particularly interesting stops along this route?
The points on the route are provisional overnight stops. Some spots will include two nights in the same area.
We’re used to off-road driving, but not yet in the Moroccan desert.
Thanks in advance for your feedback and tips! 😊
Good evening
I could use some advice 🙂
Our trip to Namibia is planned for June/July 2026.
We’re struggling a bit with timing and choosing activities for the part of the trip between Sesriem and Brandberg.
Day 1: Sesriem to Mirabib
Day 2: Mirabib to Swakopmund – visit Swakopmund, overnight in Swakopmund
Day 3: Sandwich Harbour – overnight in Swakopmund
Day 4: Kayaking with the seals + the living dunes – overnight in Swakopmund
Day 5: Moon Landscape, Henties Bay + Cape Cross – overnight at White Lady Lodge in Brandberg
Does this itinerary seem realistic to you? Is Cape Cross really worth the trip? If I had to choose between Cape Cross and kayaking with the seals, which would you recommend?
Thanks in advance for your help!
Hélix
My son and I are heading to Georgia this summer to explore the High Caucasus (Svaneti, Kazbek, and Tusheti regions). For this, we’re planning to rent a 4x4.
However, the rental agencies we’ve found prohibit driving on the tracks to Omalo (Tusheti) and/or Ushguli (Svaneti).
Do you know of any agencies in Tbilisi (local and reliable) that allow rented 4x4s to drive on these tracks? If so, which ones?
Hi everyone,
I’m starting to plan an itinerary for September 2027 focused on Zimbabwe and Zambia. I’d love to visit Gonarezhou National Park—I see there are two sectors: the Mwenezi Region in the south and the area around the Runde River in the north. Should I cover both sectors or just focus on the northern region?
For the parks along the Zambezi River, is it better to visit Mana Pools on the Zimbabwe side or Lower Zambezi on the Zambia side?
Thanks in advance for any tips on the parks in these two countries.
Have a great day, everyone.
We’re spending 18 days in New Zealand from 05/04 to 05/21, arriving in QUEENSTOWN and leaving from AUCKLAND.
Any ideas for a road trip that covers the highlights of both islands but only changes hotels every 3–4 nights?
Thanks.
For our trip to Georgia in July, I’d like to rent a 4x4 starting from Tbilisi.
Do you have any rental companies to recommend?
The traditional rentals like Hertz, Avis, etc. seem way overpriced compared to local companies—what do you think? Are they properly insured?
Has anyone here tried Geo Rent Car, Auto 4 Rental, or Sur Price?
Also, I’m looking for info on the condition of the Ushguli–Lentekhi track—is it passable?
Hi everyone,
A well-prepped 4x4, a travel plan across Africa in stages since I’ve got kids to see regularly and work to earn a living.
I’m leaving in November for about a month with the goal of reaching Senegal via Mauritania. I’d love to share this trip with someone who wants to discover Mauritania and a bit of Senegal... and also experience life on board a 4x4 in the desert or bush, sometimes sleeping in the vehicle or in hostels/small hotels for comfort. I want to share this rediscovery because two’s better than one!
Just traveling, exploring, and living! !
I’m planning to explore Argentine and Chilean Patagonia for a month in December 2019.
I’m looking for a rental company (or several) that offers single-cab 4x4 pick-ups with a fitted camper cell for two people. I’m specifically after a vehicle with an indoor shower for extra comfort ;)
So, no vans—at least not from the rental companies I’ve seen so far.
While browsing the forum, I came across the Chilean rental company Holiday Rent. But do you have any recommendations for Argentine rentals?
Because, if I can’t return the vehicle in the same city as pickup, I’d prefer—and it’d likely be cheaper—to at least return it in the same country.
I’m traveling through Argentina and Chile (as well as Paraguay and Uruguay) with a 2019 Toyota Hilux Euro 6. Could anyone tell me if the local diesel is suitable for its engine, or if I need to take any special precautions (like adding an additive, for example) for these countries?
I’d also like to know if driving at high altitudes is possible, and up to what elevation—or if I should worry about the vehicle going into limp mode?
If that happens, what should I do?
Hi there,
Can you tell me if the road between Zagora and M'Gouna is easy or difficult for a 4x4? How much time and how many kilometers should I plan for? I’m traveling in May.
Thanks!
Hi there,
My trip to South Africa is starting to take shape.
However, I'm struggling to figure out the route through Kruger Park. I can't seem to find the information I need about getting around.
Coming from the south, I plan to arrive on Day 1 in the early afternoon at Malelane or Crocodile Bridge.
Do some shopping in Malelane (or Crocodile Bridge main area) and stay overnight outside the park.
Leave on Day 2 at 5 AM for the park. Explore the southern part of the park.
Stay overnight around Skukuza or Lower Sabie. (We don’t want to stay in one of the park’s big camps. We’re looking for a lodge around 200 €.
Head out on Day 3 for a self-drive safari, maybe as far as Orpen.
We’d like to stay in a private reserve on nights 4 and 5.
We’re not sure which one or how to get into a private reserve. Do we need to exit Kruger Park?
On Day 5, we’d like to leave to visit Blyde Canyon (on Day 6).
I’m planning to leave Morocco for the summer but want to leave my 4x4 there to avoid exceeding the famous 6-month limit. I’d like to park it in one of the two Spanish enclaves (Ceuta or Melilla).
Does anyone know of people or companies that handle long-term parking (preferably secure) in either place?
Once the car is parked, what’s the best way to get back to France using public transport?
Is the nearest airport Tanger from Ceuta?...
How do I get there easily, etc. etc.
hello! I’d like to go to Kazakhstan and rent a fitted 4x4 locally so I can drive off-road trails and sleep inside the vehicle... could anyone share some local rental company addresses, please? Thanks! !
I'm about to rent a self-drive 4x4 in Mongolia. Has anyone heard of GOBI.RENT?
Otherwise, do you have any tips for checking this company since there's no info on their website (e.g., registration number on the RCS)?
I’m finalizing my trip starting from Namibia.
When I arrive in Divundu, I’d like to head straight to the Khwai area early in the morning to one of the campsites in the Khwai Development Trust. Is the drive doable with a good 4x4 in a day?
We’ll spend 2 nights in Khwai, then 2 or maybe 3 nights in the Moremi area (Third Bridge/Xakanaxa/Mboma) before heading back to Maun to wrap up our journey.
Is that too much time to spend in each place?
We’d also like to do one or two boat excursions in the delta. Any suggestions for the best options and operators?
Thanks in advance for your tips and advice!
Best,
Patrick
Hi everyone,
I’m planning to explore the western part of Madagascar from May 1st to 5th, specifically to visit the Tsingy. I’ve heard different versions about the road conditions and access to the Tsingy during this time, so I’d love to hear from people who’ve actually made this trip during this time of year.
Have you traveled from Morondava → Tsingy between May 1st and 5th?
Was the journey doable and safe?
Did you have access to the Grands Tsingy, or just the Petits Tsingy?
Thanks so much for your feedback—it’ll really help me get a clearer picture! 😊
Also, if you have any recommendations for reliable and experienced driver-guides, I’d love to hear them.
Thanks again!
