Outfitter for Little Finland in Nevada
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YA
Hi, Is there, to your knowledge, an outfitter or several outfitters that include a visit to Little Finland in Nevada in their offerings? If so, have you had any experience with them and do you have their contact details? Thanks in advance!
US Usafan Globetrotter ·
Outfider ???? Don’t get it

Rent a 4x4 and you can easily do it without anyone else.
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YA Yakavoyager Regular ·
outfider ???? Don't understand

Rent a 4x4 and it’s doable without anyone else.

Thanks Usafan, Okay, I admit it’s not very clear—it would’ve been simpler to say "guided tour!" That said, you obviously understood my question, but your answer doesn’t address it, especially since you didn’t provide any details! So this doesn’t really help, except that you’ve helped me clarify what I was asking! If you’re not used to driving a 4x4 (which is my case), renting one isn’t enough to tackle just any trail, and this one has a reputation for not being among the easiest. Generally, rental companies don’t allow you to take these kinds of roads and won’t cover you in case of a breakdown or accident (so in the end, it could cost a lot more than hiring an experienced guide—it’s still a choice). At 65, you’re probably less daring, so you start wondering: what if I have a serious health issue or something else on a barely traveled trail, far from any town and with no way to use my phone!
US Usafan Globetrotter ·
I didn’t actually understand the term, to be honest. I’m not aware of any organizations that offer that kind of tour.

But this area isn’t complicated to visit at all. Just use a GPS and avoid going when the weather forecast calls for rain. Yes, insurance doesn’t cover it, but everyone drives on these trails... There aren’t really any major risks—the trail leading to the site is pretty easy to navigate. I just watched a few videos, and nothing looked catastrophic—it’s only about twenty kilometers. My approach is that if it gets too tough at some point, I’ll finish on foot. I use AllTrails and plan my routes in advance, downloading the maps beforehand.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OqsL75GjS0

It seems the easiest way is to go through the north:

At GPS point: 36.5240639267586, -114.14045843910925

And yes, it’s totally possible to rent a Jeep 4x4 and drive it on this kind of trail. I did it last September and covered nearly 2000 km of trails without any issues.

You can find all the info here:

https://www.roadtrippin.fr/nevada/little-finland/little-finland.php

I’m 57... so not too far from 65... 😉 And I travel solo. But I always keep enough supplies in my car to survive a few days in case of a problem while waiting for someone to pass by. In reality, though, there’s nothing to worry about—a spare tire on the Jeep, and you can really go anywhere.

You’ll be even more satisfied having done it yourself.

PS: The Jeep’s 4x4 mode isn’t necessary based on what I see in the video.

I’ll add that Jeeps aren’t very expensive through rental companies and are super practical for getting everywhere... I did White Pocket, which is probably one of the toughest because it’s all sand. And it went perfectly...
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TR Trois14 Globetrotter ·
hi there, just do it

I completely agree with what Usafan’s explaining to you. Go for it! Age doesn’t matter at all. I’m over 80, and I’m definitely planning to go back to Little Finland on one of my next trips. It’s not you—it’s your 4x4 doing all the work, and, except in rainy weather, it’s not a huge challenge for it.

The route breaks down into four parts: - first, a paved road, narrow but with very little traffic. - then the road turns into a well-maintained dirt track. You can drive at 30-40 mph without any risk. - next, the track gets rougher but is still straightforward. At 15-25 mph, it’s easy going. - finally, the last few miles are a bit trickier, and you’ll sometimes need to go slower. It gets sandier, and it’s sometimes a dry wash bed—avoid it in rainy weather. And about 1 km from the end, there’s a sort of step to climb. Sometimes it’s well-prepped with rocks to help you get over it, other times it’s more rugged. You’ll need to pick your line and go very slowly for about 5 meters, as you might scrape underneath. You could also leave the car here before the "step" and finish on foot.

After that, near the clearly visible palm trees, climb up the cliff. And explore. Plan for at least 1 hour on-site (more if possible), ideally in the late afternoon when the light turns golden (though unless you’re staying overnight, part of the return—the easiest part—will be in the dark).

About age—while we might be less agile with shakier balance, the risk is mainly during the site visit at the top of the cliff: be careful, never run, because a loss of balance and a fall could be fatal. But if you’re cautious, no problem.

3.14
De l'Alaska à l'Arizona : contrastes. Voir https://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=4396533#4396533

Dans la vie, le pire qui pourrait nous arriver serait qu'il ne nous arrive rien !
SI Simonic Regular ·
Hi there. If there are just two of you, rent a pickup: 4x4, high clearance, real spare tire. Same price as an SUV. The route isn’t difficult. More info + GPX tracks:

Gold Butte Byway

Planning your solo trip to the U.S.: Hiking GPX Tracks

Have a great day. Jacques.
SI Simonic Regular ·
Three stars for the trail—it’s not necessarily about the driving difficulty, but the isolation.

Jacques.
US Usafan Globetrotter ·
They won’t answer anymore... I think they got lost in Little Finland 😄
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YA Yakavoyager Regular ·
Hi 3.14, Sorry for the delay in responding, but thank you for your reply! Your answer feels lived-in, and that makes it way more interesting. It also matches what I’ve read online so far. You’re absolutely right—it’s not about age but about health. For me, a heart attack a year ago, and my wife with a recent hip and knee replacement, makes us think twice, which is why we’re interested in having some support! I hope you stay in great health for as long as possible and get to return to Little Finland—and other trails of your choice! Cheers,

hi yaka

I completely agree with what Usafan explained. Go for it! Age doesn’t matter. I’m over 80, and I’m planning to go back to Little Finland on one of my next trips. It’s not you—it’s your 4x4 doing all the work. And, except in rainy weather, it’s not a big challenge for it.

The route breaks down into 4 parts: - First, a paved road, not wide, but with very little traffic. - Then the road turns into a well-maintained dirt track. You can drive at 30-40 mph without any risk. - Next, the track gets rougher but is still manageable. At 15-25 mph, it’s easy. - Finally, the last few miles are a bit trickier, and you’ll sometimes need to go slower. It gets sandier, sometimes crossing a dry wash—avoid if it’s raining. And about 1 km from the end, there’s a sort of step-like climb. Sometimes it’s well-prepped with rocks to help you cross, other times it’s more rugged. You’ll need to pick your line and go very slowly for about 5 meters, as you might scrape underneath. Alternatively, you can leave the car here before the "step" and finish on foot.

After that, near the clearly visible palm trees, you’ll climb up the cliff. Then explore! Plan for at least 1 hour on-site (more if possible), ideally in the late afternoon when the light turns golden. But unless you’re staying overnight, part of the return trip—the easiest part—will be in the dark.

Back to the age thing: since we’re less agile and our balance isn’t as steady, the risk might be during the site visit at the top of the cliff. Be careful, never run, because losing your balance and falling could be serious. But if you’re cautious, no problem.

3.14
YA Yakavoyager Regular ·
Hi Simonic, Sorry for the delayed response, but thank you for your reply. You're right—this trail is regularly rated 3 stars, and likely more for its remoteness than its actual difficulty. But it's precisely because of that remoteness and our health that we were hoping to find a company organizing visits to the site. In the meantime, I found a woman online who asked the same question a few years ago and eventually concluded that such a company doesn’t exist, which makes sense given the time it takes for the round trip compared to the time needed to explore the site! Like two years ago in the Southwest, I rented a Wrangler, which I’ll use on more frequented trails. For Little Finland, maybe on the day, I’ll head to the trailhead and hope to team up with another adventurer willing to drive in convoy! Take care,
YA Yakavoyager Regular ·
Hi Usafan, As I replied to 3.14, it’s not a question of age but of health. I’m happy to see that at 57, you’re in great shape. How will it be when you’re 65? I hope so for you! Answering a member’s question is really, really good! Answering a member’s question very quickly is awesome! But answering without actually addressing the question and without having experience on the topic—while basing it on a video that doesn’t seem to accurately summarize the end and thus the difficulties of the route—is sketchy! Insisting afterward by posting completely useless new messages just becomes unpleasant! In the end, by acting this way, you waste the time of the person asking the question, you waste your own time unnecessarily, and you waste the time of other members who might be interested in the topic! I suggest you reflect on this for the future! PS: As far as we’re concerned, the topic is closed, and yes, this time you’re right—I won’t respond to you again!
US Usafan Globetrotter ·
My first reply was pretty innocent, and yours was quite unpleasant.

I quickly provided you with some points that you dismissed way too fast, even though everyone was on my side.

That said, even if you don’t want advice from me, I’m going to give you one anyway. It’d be a shame not to benefit from my experience. Up to you.

If you have serious health issues, you should probably avoid this even if you’re accompanied. I took part in a rescue last September for a motorcyclist who crashed. The helicopter took easily an hour to arrive, even though we called them right away. So having a guide doesn’t guarantee much more safety in case of a heart attack—waiting an hour could be fatal, from what I understand.

Have a good trip.
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US Usafan Globetrotter ·
And to wrap things up, I went through all your forum discussions. I didn’t find any feedback or help you’ve shared with other travelers. At least I took the time to reply to you.

I also noticed that you often ask questions but don’t take the time to thank those who’ve helped with your trips—like in 11 out of your 29 threads (yes, I had time to kill, as you’d say). 😉

So I’m inviting you to contribute too, since you seem to have a lot of travel experience, and at least thank those who pitch in.
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