apres ca se gatte ; ca grimpe a 1180 m juskau col de cabre et rte plus circulante juska gap
si ces montées vous rebutent
depuis livron
ya un parcours balisé qui rejoint le rhone et viarhona
cest plus tranquille et plat
voir sur le line que je donne vers VPP sur ma page
possible de boucler
et d'inclure une partie de ViaRhôna
bonne rte
claudio
Claudio de la Faverges.
Bonjour amis cyclotouristes, claude passionné de voyages à vélo favergien et défenseur du cycliste.
plus la carte bleue est foncée et plus le bagage est léger
en anglais "the more the card is blu the less the luggage is heavy"
J'habite le sud des hautes alpes (laragne-montéglin) Je vous donne mon avis...Pour éviter de faire une grande partie de la N93 circulante, vous pouvez après Luc en Diois prendre le col de Carabès assez étroit, qui grimpe bien(mais le col de cabre aussi) mais bien moins de voitures..et magnifique et vous fait retomber soit sur Serre, soit récupérer Aspremont par une petite route...si vous continuez direction Veynes et Gap. Sinon option : vous descendez plutôt sur Laragne par des routes parallèles (Méreuil, Salèon, avec 2 plans d'eau pour se rafraîchir de chaque côté de la D1075) et remonter sur gap par des routes plus tranquilles (que je prends mêem l'été en vélo pour aller bosser à gap) que la route de Veyne à Gap l'été très fréquentée..Ce sont juste des idées...
en effet
daccord pour le col de carabes que claudio connait bien
magnifique au demeurant, mais assez pentu et peut rebuter des familles
mais ca se grimpe, ce n'est pas le tourmalet
un coin préservé
ensuite les petites routes de la vallée du Buech en effet
attention endroits chauds !
ensuite claudio a une grosse lacune pour rallier Gap :
regardons la carte sur visorando
claudio
Claudio de la Faverges.
Bonjour amis cyclotouristes, claude passionné de voyages à vélo favergien et défenseur du cycliste.
plus la carte bleue est foncée et plus le bagage est léger
en anglais "the more the card is blu the less the luggage is heavy"
exemple de parcours qui relie Die à Gap en évitant au maximum les routes passagères (routes tranquilles avant Laragne puis un morceau du canal remontant à La Saulce) avec deux difficultés, le col de Carabès évoqué ci-dessus et la courte montée de Chateauvieux (3 km) en arrivant sur Gap :
Serres - Luc par Carabès est vraiment un bel itinéraire, nous l'avons fait dans ce sens-là en mai dernier:
tranquille sauf sur la D93 où c'est droit mais faux plat (l'ancien grand lac créé par le Claps quand il bouchait le verrou de la Drôme);
en venant de Die, la montée à l'approche de la Bâtie des Fonts (source de la Drôme) et vers le col est assez prononcée:
http://www.openrunner.com/index.php?id=2242710 De Serres à Laragne, l'itinéraire marqué par est aussi en balcon sur le Buëch, dans les pommeraies:http://www.openrunner.com/index.php?id=4420350 (nous avons fait un détour par Trescléoux pour y dormir un très sympathique gîte d'étape)
Entre Luc et Die, je conseille l'itinéraire très tranquille évitant totalement la D93 par Ausson, (traversée de la D93) Saint-Roman et Menglon, sans relief supplémentaire, par les vignes et les noyeraies.
http://www.openrunner.com/index.php?id=3517240
Je crains que ce ne soit entre Livron et Die que la D93 soit la plus circulante, mais il n'y a pas d'itinéraire bis sans col.
Oui Claude. Foi de Florence, on peut aller à gap par des routes tranquilles en un peu plus de 50 km au lieu de 43 par plusieurs manières : soit en longeant le canal dans le 05 quasi tout le long puis à Tallard récupérer une petite route longée de jardin privés mais là il faut connaître ce petit réseau de routes secondaires qui sont un vrai labyrinthe ; soit en passant par l'ancienne route de gap c'est à dire ventavon et monetier allemont où là avant de rejoindre la nationale venant de sisteron, on bifurque à droite pour traverser le canal et se trouver dans le 04 sur de petites routes jusqu'à Tallard. A Tallard, là on peut prendre la route de Chateauvieux mais ça grimpe ; ou mieux la route de la Luye (cours d'eau) qui est plutôt fraîche et agréable avec de larges bas côté pour rouler ..et on arrive à gap. Voilà, tu sais comment aller de laragne à gap...Je peux mettre aussi le parcours sur openrunner..
Pour le col, c'est vrai il grimpe le col de carabès...mais pas trop le choix : il faudra grimper pour aller vers gap et passer un col..celui de cabre peut être dangereux, avec des camions et des voitures (touristes ou locaux travaillant) pas toujours prudents. Ne pas oublier que c'est un des seuls passage ou il faut faire un détour par le sud drome et la route de nyons, pour aller dans les Hautes Alpes si prisées l'été..
Quant à la chaleur..Laragne, à 600 m, peut être très méridionale et provençale je te l'accorde..mais c'est un des rares endroits actuellement en France où il fait moins de 31 degrés alors que même dans les valléés à 1200 et plus, il fait 37 et 38 ..L(été dernier on s'est pelé tout l'été....donc ce n'est pas pire qu'ailleurs voire mieux car il y a des arbres, des fontaines, des plans d'eau, des cyclistes comme Florence qui adorent bavarder avec les cyclos ou randonneurs de passage...Bref le pied quoi ! Si t'es pas convaincu, je t'invite à repasser dans le coin..
Le souci, c'est que longer le canal quand on connaît c'est facile ; un vrai labyrinthe pour une famille qui cherchera et retombera sur la nationale menant à Tallard . A mon avis l'option de passer le canal via Monetier Allemont est à mon avis meilleure et rouler le long côté 04. Route qui longe les arbres fruitiers agréable, haltes plus faciles, de petites bosses mais rien de méchant
Quant à Chateauvieux, c'est l'idéal certes mais pour une dernière montée vers gap dur dur je trouve pour une famille. Le parcours dont je parlais passe par la route de le Luye, certes plus fréquentée mais avec des bas côtés pour rouler. Mais au final moins de dénivelé...et surtout si on prend le route des prés, on arrive au rond de la médiathèque..bref reste à remonter le boulevard Pompidou pour rendre le train si fin de voyage..ou continuer vers embrun mais là cela circule !
J'ai mis en ligne les parcours que je propose n° 5002500 : http://www.openrunner.com/index.php?id=5002500 et celui passant par chateauvieux qui a plus de dénivelé n°5002521.
Bonjour,
il manque des données: pouvez-vous rouler sur piste un peu caillouteuse (éviter au max la circulation), quel pourcentage et surtout combien de mètres pensez-vous pouvoir monter par jour ?
Avant de partir sur un itinéraire en zone montagneuse en vélo chargé je pars toujours de cette donnée fondamentale pour planifier un minimum afin d'éviter de me retrouver coincé dans une montée qui dépasse ma capacité journalière, trouver une zone agréable où planter la tente aprés avoir fait le plein d'eau (faire du camping sauvage).
J'ai vu sur le site de la drome un parcours sur Openrunner qui nous amènerait juste après Die (Recoubeau Jansac).
Je ne sais pas si çà vous a échappé mais le col de Pennes (sur cette jolie route tranquille) c'est 600m brut de dénivelé, autant à monter que le col de Carabès depuis Luc.
pour l'itinéraire à partir de Livron , il y a un itinéraire VTT qui suit la Drôme de Livron à Saillans: http://valdedrome.com/assets/files/decouverte/Brochure-VTT26.pdf, iil me semble qu'il n'est pas balisé ; comme il suit la Drôme et sa vallée, je le qualifierai d'itinéraire VTC: il suit des sentiers, chemins, à travers bois (réserve naturelle des Ramières) - en tout cas sur la partie autour de Crest (Allex - Aouste-sur-Sye) que nous avons empruntée
Merci pour toutes vos réponses. je vais regarder plus en détails avec une carte sous la main tous les itinéraires proposés.
Concernant l'allure journalière je dirais entre 1000 et 1200 m de D+ par jour compte tenu des conditions climatiques également assez chaude en ce moment.
Pour ce qui est de la route nous pouvons roulez en chemin VTC, après si c'est trop caillouteux ça va sécouer un peu beaucoup dans la chariotte même si elle est suspendue.
Parti le 10 de livron, nous dormons le soir un peu avant Saillans.
Le lendemain nous faisons Saillans Luc en diois (Le Claps) par le col de pennes en passant par aucelon
Le 12 , Le Claps , Valdrome, La batie des fonds , col de carabès et nuit après serres vers la base nautique.
le 13 on rejoint Romette proche de GAP par Laragne, puis la D4 , tallard, chateuavieux.
le 14 on a pris le train retour
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Hi,
can anyone give us some tips on how to get to North Cape from Lyon Gerland?
What’s the best route to join the EuroVelo 7?
How many kilometers is it from Lyon to North Cape via EuroVelo 7?
The best month to leave—we’re thinking early May.
Thanks for any advice!
17 days, 1,400 km, and 17,500 m of elevation gain cycling in northern Vietnam! 🇻🇳 🚴🇻🇳
From the misty Fansipan to the breathtaking landscapes of the Ha Giang Loop, from remote villages to vibrant markets...
I cycled through the north of the country, getting up close with its people—through mud, heat, endless mountain passes, and unforgettable encounters.
Most importantly, I discovered a Vietnam far different from the usual tourist circuits.
Join me on this adventure through a video that captures these 17 days of travel. :)
If Vietnam calls to you, come ride a stretch with me!
Another long-time dream of Claudio’s: the Petit Mont Cenis pass and the dam at the eponymous lake.
A place where many Italians, including my father, worked in the 1950s–60s.
Faverges → St-Michel-de-Maurienne → Lanslebourg → Petit Mont Cenis → return. 315 km, 3 days. Bivouac at St-Michel-de-M.
Brouter link
Leg One: Faverges → St-Michel-de-Maurienne
Leg Two: St-Michel → Lanslebourg → Mont Cenis Lake → St-Michel
Leg Three: St-Michel → Faverges
And it finally happened in August 2026: in the Maurienne Valley about the famous cycle route known as the V67
🇷🇼 Cycling in Rwanda: 4 episodes, an off-the-beaten-path adventure
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The 4 episodes are available here:
👉 https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLGnfbxjccWAg
The 4th episode focuses on rural Rwandan life: simple, authentic, and sometimes surprising scenes that you only truly discover when you take the time to travel by bike.
If you have a few minutes, let yourself be transported to Rwanda…
Hi, I'm looking for info on cycling to Nordkapp via the EuroVelo 7. Has anyone done it already, and where’s the best place to start the EuroVelo 7?
Thanks
Hi,
We bought the MSR bike tent model (2-person + large awning that can fit 2 bikes) back in 2005. It’s served us really well, especially during a year-long trip in Africa. Now, one of the poles is broken, and we’d love to replace it since that’s the only issue with the tent—we still love it! The poles are 9.35 mm in diameter, with 8 sections of 49 cm and 2 sections of 28 cm. Total length when assembled: 416 cm. Actually, two large sections are broken: one straight and one curved. It’s a pain to find replacements since this model is no longer sold anywhere.
Would anyone have this model lying around unused and be willing to sell me a pole?
Looking for a female travel companion for a cycling trip (arriving by plane in Porto Alegre, Brazil, and cycling toward Montevideo, Uruguay, returning by plane to France from Buenos Aires, Argentina) – 1,500 km
Hello everyone!
I’m planning a cycling trip across Brazil, Uruguay, and Argentina, with a departure set for late October, November, or December. I’m looking for a travel companion to share this long-distance adventure with.
Experience:
I already have solid experience in bicycle touring in Georgia, Kazakhstan, and Kyrgyzstan. Currently, I maintain excellent physical condition by cycling an average of 250 km over 3 days per week (4 hours a day at 20 km/h).
The trip & the pace:
Daily pace: Between 50 and 80 km per day, to make steady progress while taking time to explore.
Accommodation: Flexible and authentic. We’ll alternate between wild camping, campsites, Warmshowers, small guesthouses, and budget hotels depending on opportunities and the weather.
Looking forward to reading your message and planning this amazing journey together!
Hi everyone,
In early April, I’m redoing the Vélo Francette (La Rochelle to Ouistreham), and then I’d like to cycle along the Cotentin Peninsula (which I don’t know at all), follow the coast up to Cherbourg, and then head back down to at least Saint-Malo. I’d love to know if it’s pleasant for cycling—are the roads nice? Not too windy? What are the must-see spots? Any great campsites? All your tips and advice are more than welcome, and I thank you in advance.
Hi there,
I’m planning to bike to meet some friends in Côte d’Ivoire in early November.
I’ll be starting in Abidjan and heading to Abengourou, which is close to the Ghana border.
I’d like to take the trails. Does anyone have recent info on eastern Côte d’Ivoire?
Any tips, safety advice, or must-see stops? I’m open to all suggestions.
Thanks in advance for your help!
Fx
After testing it for three years across various modes of transport, I’m sharing this video of a bike packing case. It’s made from recycled cardboard and shrink-wrapped, with adjustable thickness and added bubble wrap depending on the level of protection you want.
Installing spacers at the fork and chainstays makes the packaging compact. With the fifteen-odd euros for shrink-wrapping at the airport, this case travels really well.
https://youtu.be/_GDJi-GqmkM
- Low bulk (1.10m x 0.70m x 0.25m for a large frame), it fits vertically in train luggage compartments and the total dimensions (x+y+z) don’t exceed 2.40m.
- Two carrying solutions for public transport and easy handling by airport staff (no more tears in the cardboard from openings).
- Discreet packaging when dealing with bus drivers and train conductors, as it looks like an ordinary parcel.
- No need to return to the starting point to retrieve the case from your outbound trip, which you’d otherwise have to store somewhere, or deal with a bulky cover to pack in your panniers.
- You can still check tire pressure through the plastic film without damaging the packaging too much.
Drawbacks: Around 3 hours for this lengthy and meticulous process—removing the wheels, pedals, handlebars, and derailleur without misaligning them, then securing all components to the frame.
If you get a chance to test it, send me your feedback for future improvements.
I just took a trip in Tunisia from Tozeur to Douz, skirting Chott el Jerid to the south. I’m back with the urge to keep going further south via the 4x4 tracks to connect Douz to Ksar Ghilane. Has anyone driven this route recently or explored southern Tunisia?
Thanks for your tips!
fix
😎Fellow traveling cyclists or not, all of you who love travel, the pleasure of physical effort, nature, beautiful machines, people with true passions they seek to fulfill, and who also enjoy reading great literature about all this—the *200* magazine is for you just as it is for me. I should mention I have no financial or other interest in this (in an era where we accuse our politicians of all sorts of vile interests, I prefer to take precautions). I’ve been subscribed since the beginning, and every three months, I get my 130 pages of dreams (the magazine just went from 110 to 130 pages).
It covers everything from the trans-America route to the TCR (Trans Continental Race) from Belgium to a small town in Turkey, with mind-blowing averages—4,000 km and 80,000 m of elevation gain in 8 days and 15 hours for the winner. Let that sink in, and all of it without assistance—accepting a patch could penalize you. There’s also a story about crossing Iran, encountering one of the world’s most welcoming populations, following in the footsteps of Nicolas Bouvier, as well as retirees leisurely traversing France. The common thread in all these stories? Beautiful writing. Take, for example, a stunning article: *"Passengers of the Cold: From Edinburgh to Thurso, at the very north of Scotland, 550 km of moors, coasts, and icy wind. In Thurso, the road ends at a quay, facing the Orkney Islands. We wanted a November trip, off-season. We wanted to surprise winter. Just before the snow."* A sublime piece on the experience of facing adversity and the chance encounters along the road and in the elements.
Before I embarked on my own bike trips, I dreamed a lot about them—from the Atacama to the Gobi, along the Mekong, and not forgetting France. And now, these 130 pages every quarter keep those dreamy vibes alive through stories written in the most beautiful prose.
I’ll stop here because it might sound like I’m advertising, but if you don’t know *200*, I invite you to discover it. It’ll give you wings for the most incredible challenges or simply reinforce your desire for slow rides with your eyes open to others and nature.
A little news to wrap up: Axel Carion and a friend just broke the record for crossing South America from Colombia to Ushuaia in 59 days. On its own, that doesn’t mean much, but I can’t help it—it makes me dream. You should see how he talks about it, the flashes of that wild nature he’s stored away: a snowstorm at Paso Jama and the surreal sight of the suddenly snow-covered Licancabur!
Luc
PS: The magazine is called *200* because a day’s ride starts at 200 km—well, I’ve never done a ride like that since my longest was 167 km (with 18 kg of luggage, mind you), but why not one day? The magazine will explain how to tackle your first 200, and then the question in conclusion: when will you do your first 300?😏
I’ve got my flight ticket sorted—departing in mid-November and returning in mid-March. I’ll arrive in Santiago and leave from Buenos Aires.
I’ve already been to southern Argentina, specifically Torres del Paine National Park, and I’d love to go back to do the full W trek (I only did the shorter version last time).
I also want to do some hiking and maybe even tackle a summit. I climb and occasionally do some mountaineering, so I’ll definitely be going with a guide.
I plan to start around Temuco in Chile, with the idea of heading toward the lakes, then taking the Carretera Austral.
I’m not sure if I’ll go all the way to Ushuaia—it’s supposed to not be *that* worth it, except for the bragging rights of saying you’ve been to the end of the world.
I saw there are lakes in Argentina too.
I don’t have a precise itinerary, but what I’d love is, once I reach the southernmost point of my trip, to take a mini-cruise to see some wildlife. Any tips for that?
What kind of sleeping bag did you take? Is a 0°C (32°F) one enough?
And one last question: white gas stove or can I get by with my gas stove?
I'm developing a free and open-source web app for planning walking and cycling trips (and even car trips). You can create a route by clicking directly on the map to add waypoints, and it can consist of multiple stages. The app provides tools to edit the stages and the overall route, and to display useful information (distances, altitudes, and elevation changes). A relief profile can be shown as a graph for a specific stage or the entire route.
Once the route is ready, it can be exported as a GPX file, which can then be used with a GPS or a mobile navigation app.
The app is built in JavaScript and runs entirely in the web browser. It uses the Leaflet library and several OpenStreetMap-based services. Initially developed for my personal needs (I enjoy hiking and cycle touring), I’d be happy to share it with anyone who might find it useful. It’s free to use, doesn’t require an account, and the source code is available.
hello fellow cycling enthusiasts
here’s a travel journal of the cycling tour through the Rhône-Alpes Auvergne region by Claudio
zouli
it was the plan
http://cbandiera.free.fr/parcours/auvergne-Ralpes/
the trip was completed
story being posted online soon
1100 km in 11 days
beautiful and varied regions
Hello,
We’d like to go on a 3- to 4-month bike trip starting in December, crossing from Assam (northeast India) to New Delhi via Nepal.
Are there routes with light traffic along the Brahmaputra and through Nepal?
We’re also looking for any info on accommodations, wild camping, local interactions, etc.
Thanks,
Michel
I’m planning to cycle from Morlaix to Brest (via Roscoff and the V45 coastal route). We’ll start riding on August 16th for 13 days (with stops for island visits, surfing, etc.). Is there a lot of traffic at this time of year? I’ve got two kids, 11 and 13, and we don’t like riding in the middle of cars (we’ve already done the Vélomaritime—Caen to Cherbourg—the Loire route from Orléans to Saumur, the Vélodyssée from Nantes to Royans, and the canals like the Nivernais and Bourgogne, where there were plenty of bike-only lanes, which isn’t the case on this route).
Thanks for your help if you’ve already done this route in late August!
Virginie
Hi there,
I’ve been road cycling for several years, and I’m about to switch to gravel in the next few days—I’m waiting for my bike, which should arrive this week.
I’m planning a bikepacking trip in a few weeks along the Véloroute V81, also known as the Vélosud, from Biarritz to Le Barcarès.
Has anyone here already done this route? Any info is welcome, whether it’s about the route itself, gear, or accommodation. I’ll prioritize staying with locals as much as possible. On that note, I just signed up for the brand-new site *Guidon et Couette* ((www.guidon-et-couette.fr)), which offers free accommodation between cyclists across the country, but there’s almost no one listed along my route!
Thanks in advance.
Laurent.
Hi there, I’m planning a cross-Canada bike trip, and I’ve got a question that might seem silly, but could someone tell me how to pack a bike (in a box, with a fragile sticker... I don’t know) for a flight? Thanks in advance!
This summer, we’re planning to cycle along the EV 19 that follows the Meuse River from Langres all the way to Rotterdam.
My question is about getting back to Nantes.
Do any of you know what the best return option might be? I’d love to hear about your experiences.
I saw that FlixBus doesn’t take bikes.
By train, I think it’s possible but would involve multiple local trains.
We were also wondering if there’s a boat from Rotterdam to Saint-Nazaire that could take passengers with bikes.
Any tips or experiences you can share would be really helpful—thanks in advance!
Have a great evening
I’ve gotten used to crossing Europe by bus to return by bike.
It was really convenient to take the bike without having to disassemble it.
But FlixBus no longer accepts bikes...
What alternatives do you know about?
Thanks.
Hi there,
I’m planning to ride the Dutch section of the EuroVelo 19, from Maastricht to Rotterdam.
Since it’s too complicated to bring my bike on the train, I’m looking to rent one locally.
I’d love any tips or bike rental shop recommendations—I’m struggling to find options even in Rotterdam.
The plan is to rent in Rotterdam, take the train to Maastricht with the bike, then cycle back to Rotterdam.
Thanks in advance for any advice or suggestions!
Nath
I’m planning to build a new touring bike.
I want to prioritize lightness.
That said, I’m tempted by a suspension fork that could offer some comfort on rougher roads.
The recent appearance of gravel suspension forks on the market might meet my needs—at least on paper.
I’m particularly considering the RockShox Rudy Ultimate XPLR fork.
Unlike MTB forks, its travel is short: either 30 mm or 40 mm.
It weighs 1400 g, which is 400/500 g more than a steel fork.
Any thoughts or real-world feedback on this?
I’m also wondering about the durability of magnesium (lower leg) for long-distance bike touring.
And what’s the impact of skipping the manufacturer-recommended maintenance every 50 and 200 hours? That’s bound to happen on a long trip unless you carry extra gear.
More generally, how reliable are these kinds of forks?
I’m making an exception and creating a separate post this time, since it’s all about France. In May, we spent a week in Provence, specifically in the Luberon, exploring the cycling routes *Autour du Luberon à Vélo*, the *Véloroute du Calavon* (part of EuroVelo 8), and the shorter *Les Ocres à Vélo* route. Together, they gave us an amazing journey through rolling hills, vineyards, lavender fields still green in spring, and some of the most stunning landscapes in southern France.
It was, of course, the perched villages that impressed us the most. We visited Gordes, Roussillon, Bonnieux, Lacoste, Lourmarin, Ménerbes, Oppède-le-Vieux, Cucuron, and Lauris. Many of them are among the most beautiful villages in Provence, and it’s hard not to agree with that reputation.
One interesting point is the route of EuroVelo 8 in this part of the region. The official path mainly follows the old railway line of the *Véloroute du Calavon*, which is very comfortable and safe. But in our opinion, cyclists traveling EuroVelo 8 around the Mediterranean would discover even more treasures if the route passed through villages like Bonnieux, Lacoste, or Oppède-le-Vieux.
We were also pleasantly surprised by how safe cycling felt. Most of the route takes small local roads, but traffic is light, drivers are respectful, and road design really takes cyclists into account. It’s one of those places where you can ride peacefully even without separated bike lanes.
Our full story:
Around Luberon by bicycle - the most beautiful villages of Provence
You can also find all our cycling travel stories on the forum:
Cycling Thread - Europe’s most beautiful bike routes
Hi there, we’re a group of 4 cyclists looking to get from Treviso in Italy to Munich with our 4 non-folding bikes. It seems complicated! Are there any solutions? Thanks so much.