après avoir passé pas mal de temps à surfer sur le site à la recherche d'informations sur le passage de la frontière entre le Kirghizistan et la Chine des questions me trottent encore dans la tête.
Je pars cet été pour un mois, je souhaite passer 3 semaines au Kirghizistan et une semaine en Chine dans le Xinjiang autour de Kachgar.
J'ai cru comprendre qu'il fallait mieux passer la frontière à Irkeshtan que Torugart, est ce bien ça ?
Pour le prix certains parlent de sommes très importantes alors j'aimerais avoir l'avis de ceux qui ont en eu l'expérience ? C'est autour de 400 yuan soit 50 euros pour un taxi à diviser par le nombre de passager. Est ce bien ça ?
merci pour vos conseils.
Barbara
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J'ai cru comprendre qu'il fallait mieux passer la frontière à Irkeshtan que Torugart, est ce bien ça ?
Sauf à ce que cela ait changé récemment (voir sur caravanistan.com), Irkeshtam est en effet plus aisé car n'exigeant pas un transfert pré-organisé à travers le vaste no-man's land côté chinois. Ce qui est requis pour le franchissement du col du Torugart.
Néanmoins, contrairement à la période passée, depuis Irkhestam, il n'est désormais plus possible de poursuivre côté chinois en faisant de l'auto-stop. La traversée du no-man's land jusqu'à Wuqia (woutchia en prononciation francophone) se fait impérativement par un taxi minivan agréé par les autorités chinoises.
Pendant tout le transport, le chauffeur conserve les passeports de ces passagers. Non pas qu'il y ait des contrôles, mais il est responsable de l'acheminement de ses passagers jusqu'à la sortie du no-man's land.
En sus, côté Kirghizistan, il y a des transports collectifs de Osh à Sary Tash, voire jusqu'à Irkeshtam (que l'on peut atteindre par auto-stop) où existe même un petit hébergement très très rustique, juste à proximité du poste-frontière kirghize. Rien de cela à Torugart.
Pour le prix certains parlent de sommes très importantes alors j'aimerais avoir l'avis de ceux qui ont en eu l'expérience ? C'est autour de 400 yuan soit 50 euros pour un taxi à diviser par le nombre de passager. Est ce bien ça ?
Le 27/09/18, le trajet Wuqia -> Irkeshtam était facturé 400 Yuans, à répartir entre les passagers. Plus on se rapproche de l'heure de fermeture de la frontière, plus on risque de se retrouver seul à assumer ce coût. Non négociable.
Une fois déposé au poste de l'Immigration, à l'entrée de Wuqia, là où se font l'essentiel des contrôles, il est possible de rejoindre le centre-ville d'où partent des taxis collectifs à destination de Kashgar (36 Y / personne, bien que le billet indique 33Y + 1Y d'assurance). Presque 2 h de trajet.
Pour Torugart, c'est considérablement plus onéreux, car il faut passer côté chinois par un tour-opérateur de Kashgar qui facturera 2 fois le trajet Torugart - Kashgar (le chauffeur fait l'aller-et-retour).
Fabrice
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Si vous voulez varier les plaisirs, les paysages, et si vous avez un peu de temps, il est possible depuis Osh de rejoindre Murghab (Pamir tadjik), d'entrer en Chine par le Col de Kulma, de visiter Tashkorgan (Pamir chinois) avant d'arriver à Kashgar par la route du Karakorum.
Le segment le plus délicat en terme de transport se trouve entre Murghab et le Col de Kulma.
A minima, compter 3-4 jours entre Osh et Kashgar via Murghab.
Fabrice
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Bonjour
Je suis aussi intéressé par vos infos. je serai, moi en vélo pour passer l'Irkeshtan et entrer en Chine et le Torugart pour en sortir.
Pour Irkeshtan, le taxi est-il obligatoire si on est en vélo ?
Pour la sortie de Chine, pensez-vous que, étant sur place à kachgar, il est possible de trouver un taxi qui monte au Torugart à prix raisonnable ?
Merci de vote réponse
Il faut comprendre que la Chine applique à la lettre la notion de "no man's land". Hormis les habitants de cette zone, personne n'est admis dans cette zone hors transit sans contrôle permanent.
Le contrôle permanent est délégué au chauffeur du minivan ou taxi, qui conserve les passeports avec lui.
Pour Irkeshtan, le taxi est-il obligatoire si on est en vélo ?
Si un cycliste était laissé entrer dans un no man's land, il pourrait se balader à sa guise, et même y rester autant de temps qu'il ne le veut, jusqu'à être intercepté.
Ce n'est donc pas possible. Bien que ce le fut dans le passé.
J'ai constaté ce mode opératoire tant au Col de Kulma que pour Irkhestam (à partir de Wuqia).
Pour la sortie de Chine, pensez-vous que, étant sur place à kachgar, il est possible de trouver un taxi qui monte au Torugart à prix raisonnable ?
D'après ce que j'ai compris à la lecture de témoignage; le passage du Torugart se fait impérativement via un tour-opérateur local. Seule une agence locale pourrait solliciter le permis requis auprès des autorités administratives locales. Ce qui invaliderait la possibilité d'un taxi affrété.
Peut-être n'est que de l'intox des agences de voyage locales. Mais je n'ai pas lu le moindre témoignage d'un contournement de ces agences.
Pour les passages frontières en Asie Centrale, le mieux est de se référer au forum caravanistan in caravanistan.com/forum/. Régulièrement mis à jour par des retours d'expérience.
Fabrice
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Salut,
ou en es tu dans tes preparatifs de voyage. J'ai passer le col de Torugart il y a une semaine: 17 controle de passeport, 450$, scanne de ton telephone, inspection de ton ordi , ton appareil photo.
Au kirghizistan si tu veux aller te ballader vers Sary Mogol ( super decor) j'ai uen adresse a te refiler si ca t'interresse.
Si tu veux d'autres infos, n'hesites pas.
Quand que je peux me connecter!
un intellectuel assis ira moins loin qu'un con qui marche!
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