Road between Zagora and Mgouna
by Maroc2025
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Hi there,
Can you tell me if the road between Zagora and M'Gouna is easy or difficult for a 4x4? How much time and how many kilometers should I plan for? I’m traveling in May.
Thanks!
Maroc2025
Hi,
Your question about a single trail doesn’t give much to go on...
You’ll need to give a few more details if you’d like some help! 😊
You’ll need to give a few more details if you’d like some help! 😊
Qui écoute trop la météo, passe sa vie au bistrot !
My dear Francette, it seems I'm more motivated than you to find what we're talking about... 😄
Okay, I'll try to formulate the question myself...
Is there a trail starting from Zagora that goes to M'gouna? The answer is no, it's a summit, you have to go on foot...
Is there a trail from Zagora to M'gouna (Kelaa M'Gouna)? Not 100%. The tarmac has taken over the trail almost everywhere... But there's still the Saghro trail to do... A beautiful trail, the tagine trail... To take after Nkob in the direction of Agdez... The trail crosses the Aglouzi plateau and at the village of Tagmout, you head toward M'Gouna...
Where is the M'gouna valley?
Same as option 2, but after Kelaa, take the tarmac of the Valley of Roses to the M'gouna valley via the Tizi Ait Hamed pass... See a variant that would start from Tagmout, where there's also a trail going toward Skoura. From there, you can connect via a trail to Amejgag and finish on the tarmac of Ait Hamed...
Will that work with this?
Okay, I'll try to formulate the question myself...
Is there a trail starting from Zagora that goes to M'gouna? The answer is no, it's a summit, you have to go on foot...
Is there a trail from Zagora to M'gouna (Kelaa M'Gouna)? Not 100%. The tarmac has taken over the trail almost everywhere... But there's still the Saghro trail to do... A beautiful trail, the tagine trail... To take after Nkob in the direction of Agdez... The trail crosses the Aglouzi plateau and at the village of Tagmout, you head toward M'Gouna...
Where is the M'gouna valley?
Same as option 2, but after Kelaa, take the tarmac of the Valley of Roses to the M'gouna valley via the Tizi Ait Hamed pass... See a variant that would start from Tagmout, where there's also a trail going toward Skoura. From there, you can connect via a trail to Amejgag and finish on the tarmac of Ait Hamed...
Will that work with this?
Qui écoute trop la météo, passe sa vie au bistrot !
You think that’ll work?
Uh... with who?
Uh... with who?
Qui boit l'eau d'une terre étrangère doit en suivre les coutumes (proverbe Mongol)
You seem to know it well, and I'm interested!
We're planning to take the off-road route from Merzouga to Zagora via Tafraoute to spend the night there—what do you think of the track and how difficult is it?
After Zagora, we'll loop through Erg Chegaga to sleep, then Foum Dzuig, and return to Zagora. We have a 4x4.
Maroc2025
This trail has almost no difficulties except for a slight section...
Basically, from Merzouga, it's paved for a little while... "things" move fast in this area, and as I write this, I don't know how far the paving has gone. But it shouldn't be far from the first village, which is Ouzina...
After that, the trail is prepped for paving, so it's easy but really annoying... A magnificent power line also shows you the way...
You'll reach another village: Remlia... There's a little restaurant to grab a cold drink if needed...
After Remlia, if you want to head to Tafraout... there's a 1 or 2 km section depending on the trail you take that will be the only difficulty... It's the dry riverbed with lots of different paths... Try to find a landmark to get closer to the mountain on your right (to the north) to follow it. In a 4x4, I don't see how you could go wrong, but be careful... For info, I took this route in an unprepared 205 for a raid, so in a 4x4... There's mostly a chance to do some sightseeing by exploring the riverbed if you take the wrong paths, but in a 4x4, I'll say it again... "it'll" work out.
After following the mountain, there's a hostel that had its heyday in the past... Auberge de la passe de M'harech... You'll see a first hostel on a slight promontory, with "riad" written in white on the stone... Keep going further... it's nice and pretty around there... Brahim is a good guy, plus there's a small pool...
After that, you'll backtrack... You'll have to cross the riverbed, nothing too complicated... It's dusty though... Try to visualize ahead; you'll spot a kind of marabout and a big lone tree... The trail is over there, you'll find it easily... Then... straight on to Tafraout...
It's a piece of cake, you won't have any issues...
For the trail from M'hamid to Foum Zguid via Chegaga... In a 4x4, it's not complicated... The last time I took this trail was last May at 45°C... in a 205, but prepared this time. If a fool in a 205 can make it, you'll make it in a 4x4... The only slightly annoying part is the hamada, not many landmarks... I don't know what you use for navigation, but this trail is easy to follow if you have Osmand... The great guru Gandinoche also made a GPS available for his fans that shows this trail and even where to take a piss...
Really nothing nasty in a 4x4, classic trails where you'll hardly find yourself alone...
After Remlia, if you want to head to Tafraout... there's a 1 or 2 km section depending on the trail you take that will be the only difficulty... It's the dry riverbed with lots of different paths... Try to find a landmark to get closer to the mountain on your right (to the north) to follow it. In a 4x4, I don't see how you could go wrong, but be careful... For info, I took this route in an unprepared 205 for a raid, so in a 4x4... There's mostly a chance to do some sightseeing by exploring the riverbed if you take the wrong paths, but in a 4x4, I'll say it again... "it'll" work out.
After following the mountain, there's a hostel that had its heyday in the past... Auberge de la passe de M'harech... You'll see a first hostel on a slight promontory, with "riad" written in white on the stone... Keep going further... it's nice and pretty around there... Brahim is a good guy, plus there's a small pool...
After that, you'll backtrack... You'll have to cross the riverbed, nothing too complicated... It's dusty though... Try to visualize ahead; you'll spot a kind of marabout and a big lone tree... The trail is over there, you'll find it easily... Then... straight on to Tafraout...
It's a piece of cake, you won't have any issues...
For the trail from M'hamid to Foum Zguid via Chegaga... In a 4x4, it's not complicated... The last time I took this trail was last May at 45°C... in a 205, but prepared this time. If a fool in a 205 can make it, you'll make it in a 4x4... The only slightly annoying part is the hamada, not many landmarks... I don't know what you use for navigation, but this trail is easy to follow if you have Osmand... The great guru Gandinoche also made a GPS available for his fans that shows this trail and even where to take a piss...
Really nothing nasty in a 4x4, classic trails where you'll hardly find yourself alone...
Qui écoute trop la météo, passe sa vie au bistrot !
Uh ... with who?
Francette said "I'm interested"...
Francette said "I'm interested"...
Qui écoute trop la météo, passe sa vie au bistrot !
This trail has almost no difficulty except for a slight section...
Basically, from Merzouga, it's tarmac for a little while... "it" moves fast in this area, and as I write this, I don't know how far it's gone. But it shouldn't be far from the first village, which is Ouzina...
After that, the trail is prepared for tarmac, so it's easy but really annoying... A magnificent power line also shows you the way...
You'll arrive at another village: Remlia... There's a little restaurant to grab a cold drink if needed...
After Remlia, if you want to go to Tafraout... there's a 1 or 2 km section depending on the trail you take that will be the only difficulty... It's the dry riverbed with lots of different paths... Try to find a landmark to get closer to the mountain on your right (to the north) to follow it... In a 4x4, I don't see how you could go wrong, but be careful... For info, I went through there in a stock 205 (not a rally-prepped one), so in a 4x4... "it" will be fine.
Once you're alongside the mountain, there's a hostel that had its heyday in the past... Auberge de la passe de M'harech... You'll see a first hostel on a slight promontory, with "riad" written in white on the stone... Keep going further... it's nice and pretty there... Brahim is a good guy, plus there's a small pool...
After that, you'll retrace your steps... You'll have to cross the riverbed, nothing too complicated... It's dusty, though... Try to visualize ahead; you'll spot a sort of marabout and a big lone tree... The trail is over there, you'll find it easily... Then... straight on to Tafraout...
It's a piece of cake, you won't have any issues...
For the trail from M'hamid to Foum Zguid via Chegaga... In a 4x4, it's not too complicated... The last time I did this trail was last May at 45°C... in a 205, but prepped this time... If a fool in a 205 can make it, in a 4x4, you'll be fine... The only slightly annoying part is the hamada, not many landmarks... I don't know what you use for navigation, but this trail is easy to follow if you have Osmand... The great guru Gandinoche also made a GPS available for his fans that shows this trail and even where to take a piss...
Really nothing nasty in a 4x4, classic trails where you'll hardly ever find yourself alone...
Thanks so much, it really feels like I'm there! Well, I'm heading to this region for the very first time in three weeks... with a basic rental car, like a Dacia Sandero. Originally, our route was planned from Merzouga to Zagora via the northern road... but I must admit your description of the trail above really interests me... Do you think it's possible to take it in a "normal" car, not prepped, not a 4x4? And how much time should I plan to reach Zagora?
After Remlia, if you want to go to Tafraout... there's a 1 or 2 km section depending on the trail you take that will be the only difficulty... It's the dry riverbed with lots of different paths... Try to find a landmark to get closer to the mountain on your right (to the north) to follow it... In a 4x4, I don't see how you could go wrong, but be careful... For info, I went through there in a stock 205 (not a rally-prepped one), so in a 4x4... "it" will be fine.
Once you're alongside the mountain, there's a hostel that had its heyday in the past... Auberge de la passe de M'harech... You'll see a first hostel on a slight promontory, with "riad" written in white on the stone... Keep going further... it's nice and pretty there... Brahim is a good guy, plus there's a small pool...
After that, you'll retrace your steps... You'll have to cross the riverbed, nothing too complicated... It's dusty, though... Try to visualize ahead; you'll spot a sort of marabout and a big lone tree... The trail is over there, you'll find it easily... Then... straight on to Tafraout...
It's a piece of cake, you won't have any issues...
For the trail from M'hamid to Foum Zguid via Chegaga... In a 4x4, it's not too complicated... The last time I did this trail was last May at 45°C... in a 205, but prepped this time... If a fool in a 205 can make it, in a 4x4, you'll be fine... The only slightly annoying part is the hamada, not many landmarks... I don't know what you use for navigation, but this trail is easy to follow if you have Osmand... The great guru Gandinoche also made a GPS available for his fans that shows this trail and even where to take a piss...
Really nothing nasty in a 4x4, classic trails where you'll hardly ever find yourself alone...
Thanks so much, it really feels like I'm there! Well, I'm heading to this region for the very first time in three weeks... with a basic rental car, like a Dacia Sandero. Originally, our route was planned from Merzouga to Zagora via the northern road... but I must admit your description of the trail above really interests me... Do you think it's possible to take it in a "normal" car, not prepped, not a 4x4? And how much time should I plan to reach Zagora?
Hi there!
A "normal" car... no way. 😉
Big Cat has a normal car... but he’s not normal himself, so it works...
Qui boit l'eau d'une terre étrangère doit en suivre les coutumes (proverbe Mongol)
From Merzouga to Zagora via dirt track, you’ll encounter three potential problem areas if it’s rained:
Crossing the Gheris after Ramlia—even with a 4x4, you might have to forget it sometimes
Crossing the Lake Maider just after crossing the Gheris—normally dry, otherwise muddy
The exit from Tafraoute via Lake Aguelmame Sidi Ali—normally dry, otherwise...
Alternative to Ramlia: Merzouga - Outtara - direction Tagueroumt (paved road), at point 31.1549169, -4.4698065 take a left onto a track that leads to the M’harech pass, avoiding the Gheris.
Alternative to Lake Maider: about 2 km before the hostel, a track on the left leads back to the P7110
If Lake Aguelmame Sidi Ali isn’t "drivable": go around to the south—there’ll be tracks that bring you back to the Tafraout-Oumjrane track OR take the paved P7110 then the N12, etc.
Time-wise: never done it either—either we’d made a stop or we weren’t going to Zagora. Rough guess: a full day of driving, 8+ hours depending on difficulties and stops
JP
Personally, an alternative route:
From Zagora, take the RN 12 via Taghbalte, N'Kob, heading toward the beautiful "Tizi n'Tazazert" pass, Boumalne Dades, and El Kelaa des Mgouna.
"Il vaut mieux faire des enfants quand on est vieux, on les em...de moins longtemps (Desproges)
Hello
A "normal" car... no. 😉
Big Cat has a normal car... but he’s not, so it works... 😏😏😏
Well, well, you... 😏
Anyway, I’m glad you say I have a normal car because that’s not the word my wife uses to describe it... I’m more used to hearing "junk heap," "pile of rust," "wreck," and most often "mobile dumpster"...
Well, well, you... 😏
Anyway, I’m glad you say I have a normal car because that’s not the word my wife uses to describe it... I’m more used to hearing "junk heap," "pile of rust," "wreck," and most often "mobile dumpster"...
Qui écoute trop la météo, passe sa vie au bistrot !
Hey Seb,
Hmm, I think it’s pretty ambitious with a Dacia and no experience to tackle the oued crossing before Remilia... Marabu’s right—if it’s rained, it’ll be tough. But more than that, it’s a total maze of tracks going every which way. Info about the tracks can be outdated after just a few months, and a route that was doable in a sedan in February might not be even a month later (sometimes even a day later). The weather’s way better at reshaping terrain than excavators... I haven’t been to the area since this spring, so take my info with a grain of salt...
By the way, does anyone know where the tarmac will cross the oued?
Hmm, I think it’s pretty ambitious with a Dacia and no experience to tackle the oued crossing before Remilia... Marabu’s right—if it’s rained, it’ll be tough. But more than that, it’s a total maze of tracks going every which way. Info about the tracks can be outdated after just a few months, and a route that was doable in a sedan in February might not be even a month later (sometimes even a day later). The weather’s way better at reshaping terrain than excavators... I haven’t been to the area since this spring, so take my info with a grain of salt...
By the way, does anyone know where the tarmac will cross the oued?
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Pour notre voyage en Georgie en juillet, je souhaite louer 4x4 au départ de Tbilisi. Avez vous des loueurs à me recommander? Les loueurs traditionnels type Hertz, Avis, etc .... paraissent hors de prix par rapport aux loueurs locaux? que faut-il en penser ? sont-ils bien assurés?
L'un de vous a-t-il expérimenté Geo Rent Car ? Auto 4 rental? ou encore Sur Price?
D'autre part, je cherche des infos sur l'état de la piste Ushguli - Lentekhi, est-elle praticable?
merci de vos conseils Penlan
Pour notre voyage en Georgie en juillet, je souhaite louer 4x4 au départ de Tbilisi. Avez vous des loueurs à me recommander? Les loueurs traditionnels type Hertz, Avis, etc .... paraissent hors de prix par rapport aux loueurs locaux? que faut-il en penser ? sont-ils bien assurés?
L'un de vous a-t-il expérimenté Geo Rent Car ? Auto 4 rental? ou encore Sur Price?
D'autre part, je cherche des infos sur l'état de la piste Ushguli - Lentekhi, est-elle praticable?
merci de vos conseils Penlan
Hi everyone,
A well-prepped 4x4, a travel plan across Africa in stages since I’ve got kids to see regularly and work to earn a living.
I’m leaving in November for about a month with the goal of reaching Senegal via Mauritania. I’d love to share this trip with someone who wants to discover Mauritania and a bit of Senegal... and also experience life on board a 4x4 in the desert or bush, sometimes sleeping in the vehicle or in hostels/small hotels for comfort. I want to share this rediscovery because two’s better than one!
Just traveling, exploring, and living! !
Bonjour,
Je souhaite parcourir la Patagonie argentine et chilienne pendant 1 mois en décembre 2019.
Je suis donc à la recherche d'un (ou plusieurs) loueur(s) qui propose(nt) en location des pick-up 4x4 (mono-cabine car nous seront 2) avec une cellule aménagée. Je parle bien d'un véhicule aménagé avec une douche à l'intérieur pour plus de confort ;) Donc exit le van ! (du moins dans les loueurs que j'ai vu).
En parcourant le forum, j'ai vu le loueur Holiday Rent coté chilien. Mais avez-vous des adresses coté argentin ? Car, à défaut de rendre le véhicule dans la même ville qu'au départ, je pense qu'il est préférable et moins cher de le rendre au moins dans le même pays.
Je souhaite parcourir la Patagonie argentine et chilienne pendant 1 mois en décembre 2019.
Je suis donc à la recherche d'un (ou plusieurs) loueur(s) qui propose(nt) en location des pick-up 4x4 (mono-cabine car nous seront 2) avec une cellule aménagée. Je parle bien d'un véhicule aménagé avec une douche à l'intérieur pour plus de confort ;) Donc exit le van ! (du moins dans les loueurs que j'ai vu).
En parcourant le forum, j'ai vu le loueur Holiday Rent coté chilien. Mais avez-vous des adresses coté argentin ? Car, à défaut de rendre le véhicule dans la même ville qu'au départ, je pense qu'il est préférable et moins cher de le rendre au moins dans le même pays.
Hello,
I’m traveling through Argentina and Chile (as well as Paraguay and Uruguay) with a 2019 Toyota Hilux Euro 6. Could anyone tell me if the local diesel is suitable for its engine, or if I need to take any special precautions (like adding an additive, for example) for these countries? I’d also like to know if driving at high altitudes is possible, and up to what elevation—or if I should worry about the vehicle going into limp mode? If that happens, what should I do?
Thanks in advance
I’m traveling through Argentina and Chile (as well as Paraguay and Uruguay) with a 2019 Toyota Hilux Euro 6. Could anyone tell me if the local diesel is suitable for its engine, or if I need to take any special precautions (like adding an additive, for example) for these countries? I’d also like to know if driving at high altitudes is possible, and up to what elevation—or if I should worry about the vehicle going into limp mode? If that happens, what should I do?
Thanks in advance
Hi there,
My trip to South Africa is starting to take shape.
However, I'm struggling to figure out the route through Kruger Park. I can't seem to find the information I need about getting around.
Coming from the south, I plan to arrive on Day 1 in the early afternoon at Malelane or Crocodile Bridge.
Do some shopping in Malelane (or Crocodile Bridge main area) and stay overnight outside the park.
Leave on Day 2 at 5 AM for the park. Explore the southern part of the park.
Stay overnight around Skukuza or Lower Sabie. (We don’t want to stay in one of the park’s big camps. We’re looking for a lodge around 200 €.
Head out on Day 3 for a self-drive safari, maybe as far as Orpen.
We’d like to stay in a private reserve on nights 4 and 5.
We’re not sure which one or how to get into a private reserve. Do we need to exit Kruger Park?
On Day 5, we’d like to leave to visit Blyde Canyon (on Day 6).
Could you help us with these different locations?
Thanks
Could you help us with these different locations?
Thanks
Bonjour
Souhaitant quitter le Maroc durant l'été mais y laisser mon 4*4, afin de ne pas être pénaliser sur le fameux délai de 6 mois, je voudrais le parquer dans l'une des deux enclaves espagnoles (Cueta ou mellila) Connaissez vous des gens ou des sociétés qui s'occupent sur place des parkings longue durée (sécurisés de préférence) une fois la voiture déposée, quelle solution de transports publics pour rejoindre la France aéroport le plus proche = Tanger depuis Cueta ?... Comment rejoindre facilement cet aéroport etc etc
Merci d'avance Dominique
Souhaitant quitter le Maroc durant l'été mais y laisser mon 4*4, afin de ne pas être pénaliser sur le fameux délai de 6 mois, je voudrais le parquer dans l'une des deux enclaves espagnoles (Cueta ou mellila) Connaissez vous des gens ou des sociétés qui s'occupent sur place des parkings longue durée (sécurisés de préférence) une fois la voiture déposée, quelle solution de transports publics pour rejoindre la France aéroport le plus proche = Tanger depuis Cueta ?... Comment rejoindre facilement cet aéroport etc etc
Merci d'avance Dominique
hello! I’d like to go to Kazakhstan and rent a fitted 4x4 locally so I can drive off-road trails and sleep inside the vehicle... could anyone share some local rental company addresses, please? Thanks! !
Hi,
I'm about to rent a self-drive 4x4 in Mongolia. Has anyone heard of GOBI.RENT? Otherwise, do you have any tips for checking this company since there's no info on their website (e.g., registration number on the RCS)?
Thanks
I'm about to rent a self-drive 4x4 in Mongolia. Has anyone heard of GOBI.RENT? Otherwise, do you have any tips for checking this company since there's no info on their website (e.g., registration number on the RCS)?
Thanks
Hi everyone,
I’m finalizing my trip starting from Namibia. When I arrive in Divundu, I’d like to head straight to the Khwai area early in the morning to one of the campsites in the Khwai Development Trust. Is the drive doable with a good 4x4 in a day? We’ll spend 2 nights in Khwai, then 2 or maybe 3 nights in the Moremi area (Third Bridge/Xakanaxa/Mboma) before heading back to Maun to wrap up our journey. Is that too much time to spend in each place?
We’d also like to do one or two boat excursions in the delta. Any suggestions for the best options and operators?
Thanks in advance for your tips and advice! Best, Patrick
I’m finalizing my trip starting from Namibia. When I arrive in Divundu, I’d like to head straight to the Khwai area early in the morning to one of the campsites in the Khwai Development Trust. Is the drive doable with a good 4x4 in a day? We’ll spend 2 nights in Khwai, then 2 or maybe 3 nights in the Moremi area (Third Bridge/Xakanaxa/Mboma) before heading back to Maun to wrap up our journey. Is that too much time to spend in each place?
We’d also like to do one or two boat excursions in the delta. Any suggestions for the best options and operators?
Thanks in advance for your tips and advice! Best, Patrick