Randonnée dans le Wadi Rum (Jordanie)
by Thienan
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
peut-on le faire sans guide?
Peut-on camper librement ou l'on veut?
Avez vous une idée des températures et de la météo en février?
Thien An
L'avenir il ne faut pas le prévoir, mais le permettre
bonsoir Michel,
merci beaucoup pour vos conseils. apres avoir lu les autres post, je suis effectivement tentee par Diseh plutot que Rum: est-ce qu a votre avis, on y voit d'aussi jolies choses qu'a Rum (on ferait appel au guide que vous avez mentionne dans un autre post)?
merci beaucoup pour vos conseils. apres avoir lu les autres post, je suis effectivement tentee par Diseh plutot que Rum: est-ce qu a votre avis, on y voit d'aussi jolies choses qu'a Rum (on ferait appel au guide que vous avez mentionne dans un autre post)?
Thien An
L'avenir il ne faut pas le prévoir, mais le permettre
Bonjour,
On y voit de très jolies choses car vous êtes toujours dans le Wadi Rum mais en dehors de la réserve proprement dite.
Il y a surtout bien moins de monde et tout est plus "souple"
Diseh (comme le village de Rum) n'est pas joli mais sert de base.
Je n'ai pas le moindre intérêt financier dans cette histoire. J'ai simplement horreur de moutonner et de me faire presser comme un citron.
L'entrée de la réserve me donne cette impression. Raison pour laquelle j'avais choisi un plan bis...
Michel
On y voit de très jolies choses car vous êtes toujours dans le Wadi Rum mais en dehors de la réserve proprement dite.
Il y a surtout bien moins de monde et tout est plus "souple"
Diseh (comme le village de Rum) n'est pas joli mais sert de base.
Je n'ai pas le moindre intérêt financier dans cette histoire. J'ai simplement horreur de moutonner et de me faire presser comme un citron.
L'entrée de la réserve me donne cette impression. Raison pour laquelle j'avais choisi un plan bis...
Michel
merci. Je n'ai jamais eu de doute sur vos motivations. C'est super sympa de permettre à d'autres personnes de profiter de ce genre d'info et je compte bien en faire usage. Je crois que c'est effectivement dommage de visiter un lieu pareil en tant que "touriste-plein- de-sous-noyé-dans-la-masse" quand il y a moyen de faire autrement.
J'imagine que le vécu et le souvenir seront bien meilleurs en allant à Diseh.
MERCI ENCORE
MERCI ENCORE
Thien An
L'avenir il ne faut pas le prévoir, mais le permettre
Bonjour,
Au fil des différents posts sur le sujet, j'ai l'impression qu'effectivement depuis Diseh, c'est mieux. (je n'aime pas non plus trop me faire embarqué dans des trucs préformatés.)
Par contre, je me demande, voyageant seul, si cela sera compliqué depuis Diseh, les tarifs de Awad, vu par ailleurs, indique toujours des prix pour un 4X4 complet.
Une autre question, est-il possible depuis diseh, de voir les mêmes choses que depuis Rum ? en gros, y a t il une chasse gardée pour les organisateurs depuis Rum ?
Merci.
Au fil des différents posts sur le sujet, j'ai l'impression qu'effectivement depuis Diseh, c'est mieux. (je n'aime pas non plus trop me faire embarqué dans des trucs préformatés.)
Par contre, je me demande, voyageant seul, si cela sera compliqué depuis Diseh, les tarifs de Awad, vu par ailleurs, indique toujours des prix pour un 4X4 complet.
Une autre question, est-il possible depuis diseh, de voir les mêmes choses que depuis Rum ? en gros, y a t il une chasse gardée pour les organisateurs depuis Rum ?
Merci.
Bonjour,
Sauf erreur de ma part, je n’ai jamais communiqué de prix sur le forum.
Il me semble qu’il doit y avoir maldonne ou du moins confusion car il va de soi que si vous êtes seul, le tarif est pour une personne. S’il n’est pas nécessairement le quart d’un tarif prévu pour quatre, vous ne payez pas non plus le prix " complet " (càd pour 4, 8, 12 ou 648) Je le certifie car ai procédé de la sorte.
C’est moi qui ai parlé le premier (sur VF) de Diseh et des possibilités qu’il y a aux alentours. Je précise à nouveau que je n’ai pas le moindre intérêt financier dans cette " affaire " et qu’il n’y a pas qu’un guide sur place.
Je précise également que Diseh (ou une des autres localités) se trouve en dehors de la zone protégée qui a statut de réserve. Réserve pour laquelle il est nécessaire de payer un droit d’entrée et de s’arranger dès l’entrée avec les différents guides " officiels" qui vont vous encadrer pour tout votre séjour dans la réserve.
Un guide étranger au Rum (zone protégée) n’a pas le droit d’y emmener des clients. En choisissant Diseh ou toutes autres localités situées en dehors de la zone protégée, vous n’aurez pas accès à cette zone sauf si vous venez au centre d’accueil et que vous reprenez un autre guide !
C’est en effet une chasse gardée.
Il n’y a rien de compliqué ni de sorcier à faire par soi-même en Jordanie, ni à Diseh ni ailleurs.
Bon voyage
Michel
Ce qui suit ne va pas vous aider puisque vous avez posé la question il y a longtemps mais cela peut intéresser d'autres lecteurs.
J'ai campé 100 mètres avant l'entrée de Wadi Rum sur le flanc de la colline où il faut utiliser les très gros cailloux abondants pour fixer la tente car le sol est en pierre. Au réveil, des bédouins m'ont offert le thé! Je suis passé par la porte d'entrée très tôt et personne ne m'a demandé de payer quoi que ce soit bien qu'un tarif soit affiché et que les préposés étaient là.
Dans le village qui se trouve plusieurs kilomètres plus loin, il y a un nombre considérable de jeeps Toyota bringuebalantes sans plaque pour la plupart et aux pneus sans dessin. Ils ont des tarifs corsés surtout pour une personne isolée. Il en va de même pour les tentes de bédouin. J'ai marché, et au moins 10 jeeps m'ont proposé leurs services, mais je préfère marcher.
Les agences d'Aqaba ont des tarifs encore plus élevés.
Le site de Wadi Rum est gigantesque et si vous ne vous collez pas aux tentes payantes des bédouins, je ne pense pas qu'on vous dira quoi que ce soit si par extraordinaire on vous remarque. Mais ne plantez pas votre tente sur les traces de pneus. Allez plus près des roches.
A Aqaba, il y a un camping sur la plage à 10 km de la frontière saoudienne (un demi-euro par personne en bus, le double en taxi) mais le tarif du camping est triplé pour les non-jordaniens. Mieux vaut se rendre au Bedouin Moon camp & hôtel qui se trouve en face à moins de 100 mètres à l'intérieur des terres où je payais 15 euros avec copieux repas du soir et petit-déjeuner, mais sans repas ce n'est que 5 euros contre 6 sur la plage sans les facilités de l'hôtel (piscine, tv, internet).
J'ai campé 100 mètres avant l'entrée de Wadi Rum sur le flanc de la colline où il faut utiliser les très gros cailloux abondants pour fixer la tente car le sol est en pierre. Au réveil, des bédouins m'ont offert le thé! Je suis passé par la porte d'entrée très tôt et personne ne m'a demandé de payer quoi que ce soit bien qu'un tarif soit affiché et que les préposés étaient là.
Dans le village qui se trouve plusieurs kilomètres plus loin, il y a un nombre considérable de jeeps Toyota bringuebalantes sans plaque pour la plupart et aux pneus sans dessin. Ils ont des tarifs corsés surtout pour une personne isolée. Il en va de même pour les tentes de bédouin. J'ai marché, et au moins 10 jeeps m'ont proposé leurs services, mais je préfère marcher.
Les agences d'Aqaba ont des tarifs encore plus élevés.
Le site de Wadi Rum est gigantesque et si vous ne vous collez pas aux tentes payantes des bédouins, je ne pense pas qu'on vous dira quoi que ce soit si par extraordinaire on vous remarque. Mais ne plantez pas votre tente sur les traces de pneus. Allez plus près des roches.
A Aqaba, il y a un camping sur la plage à 10 km de la frontière saoudienne (un demi-euro par personne en bus, le double en taxi) mais le tarif du camping est triplé pour les non-jordaniens. Mieux vaut se rendre au Bedouin Moon camp & hôtel qui se trouve en face à moins de 100 mètres à l'intérieur des terres où je payais 15 euros avec copieux repas du soir et petit-déjeuner, mais sans repas ce n'est que 5 euros contre 6 sur la plage sans les facilités de l'hôtel (piscine, tv, internet).
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I’m currently drafting the itinerary. We’d be crossing from Ullapool and were thinking of spending 3 nights on Harris and 4 nights on Lewis.
Does that sound balanced to you? Is it better to keep the same accommodation on Harris and the same on Lewis to explore the area? I’d love to hear about any past experiences you’ve had on these islands. Thanks!
Hi there, I’m trying to leave for 15 days very soon to São Vicente. I’m either looking to join an agency or figure things out on my own to go hiking on one of these islands or both. From what I’ve seen, it’s not easy to organize with local transport, so it gets expensive. Can I use the services of a small local agency? I’m looking for the simplest way to hike for several days. Also, how do you get from São Vicente to São Nicolau? Thanks in advance and have a great day!
Aichatou
Hi there,
I’ve been wanting to do this for several years, and this year’s the one. Next September, I’ll be trekking in Tusheti (Georgia), from Omalo to Shatili. Of course, I won’t be renting a vehicle that’d just sit unused. No problem getting to Pshaveli, but from there to Omalo, it’s a dirt road (still the case?) There must be some form of public transport since there are so many guesthouses, and not all travelers come in a 4x4. If any of you have been to Omalo, could you confirm that these shared transports exist and how often they run?
I’ve been wanting to do this for several years, and this year’s the one. Next September, I’ll be trekking in Tusheti (Georgia), from Omalo to Shatili. Of course, I won’t be renting a vehicle that’d just sit unused. No problem getting to Pshaveli, but from there to Omalo, it’s a dirt road (still the case?) There must be some form of public transport since there are so many guesthouses, and not all travelers come in a 4x4. If any of you have been to Omalo, could you confirm that these shared transports exist and how often they run?
hi
we’re planning a trip to Yellowstone and hoping to do a three-day backcountry hike if we get a permit. if any of you have done this before, could you let me know if it’s possible to find water along the way? And if we can transport it, are we allowed to use a stove?
thanks for any tips!
sandra
we’re planning a trip to Yellowstone and hoping to do a three-day backcountry hike if we get a permit. if any of you have done this before, could you let me know if it’s possible to find water along the way? And if we can transport it, are we allowed to use a stove?
thanks for any tips!
sandra
Hello,
I’ll be in Nepal from March 6th to 29th (we’re flying into Kathmandu via Varanasi and leaving via Delhi).
I’m a bit confused about the regulations requiring a guide.
My wife and I (we’re 63 and 64) aren’t experienced trekkers—we’re more used to walking on terrain with very moderate elevation changes. I’m looking for fairly easy hikes, possibly day trips. Here are my questions: - Does the Poon Hill trek from Pokhara require a guide, or is it better to go through a local agency? (I’ve seen a lot of them offering 4-day packages) - I’d like to do a few multi-day hikes around Jomsom (Kagbeni, Mukitinath, Lupra, Marpha)... Do you need a guide for those, and can you find accommodations easily without booking in advance?
Last question—I’m really hesitant to lug around a sleeping bag or down jacket during our 6 weeks in India. Can you easily find these kinds of items at reasonable prices in Pokhara?
Thanks in advance for any tips you can share! Yann
My wife and I (we’re 63 and 64) aren’t experienced trekkers—we’re more used to walking on terrain with very moderate elevation changes. I’m looking for fairly easy hikes, possibly day trips. Here are my questions: - Does the Poon Hill trek from Pokhara require a guide, or is it better to go through a local agency? (I’ve seen a lot of them offering 4-day packages) - I’d like to do a few multi-day hikes around Jomsom (Kagbeni, Mukitinath, Lupra, Marpha)... Do you need a guide for those, and can you find accommodations easily without booking in advance?
Last question—I’m really hesitant to lug around a sleeping bag or down jacket during our 6 weeks in India. Can you easily find these kinds of items at reasonable prices in Pokhara?
Thanks in advance for any tips you can share! Yann
Hello.
I’m a 56-year-old man who’s done several treks in Nepal and elsewhere. Also passionate about photography. I’m looking for one or more people to form a group for a trek in Nepal. The trek is the Annapurna and Manaslu circuit (24 days), including a stop at Tilicho Lake. I’ve got a great itinerary and the local company seems solid. The price is around $1600. I’ll be in Nepal from April 5 to May 12, 2026, so the trek would need to happen within those dates.
Daniel, Québec, Canada
I’m a 56-year-old man who’s done several treks in Nepal and elsewhere. Also passionate about photography. I’m looking for one or more people to form a group for a trek in Nepal. The trek is the Annapurna and Manaslu circuit (24 days), including a stop at Tilicho Lake. I’ve got a great itinerary and the local company seems solid. The price is around $1600. I’ll be in Nepal from April 5 to May 12, 2026, so the trek would need to happen within those dates.
Daniel, Québec, Canada