Je suis sur le point de réserver un road trip (hébergements et location de véhicule) en Namibie avec Madiza
Pour garantir le voyage, il me faut verser un acompte de 30%, normal.
Afin de bénéficier des assurances liées à ma carte bancaire, je souhaite régler par CB. C'est, je pense, la volonté de nombreuses personnes dans mon cas.
Quelle n'est pas ma surprise, au moment du règlement de m'apercevoir qu'on me demande de remplir un simple formulaire avec TOUTES les données de ma CB (numéro, date d'expiratioin et CVV) et de le renvoyer par simple email
Or on m'a bien spécifié qu'il ne faut en aucun cas "transmettre des fichiers contenant des données personnelles en clair via des messageries grand public"
Que faire ? Vous qui avez été dans le même cas, comment avez-vous procédé ?
Régler par virement et perdre les assurances liées à ma CB ? C'est quand même bête !
Prendre le risque d'envoyer les données et en cas de piratage être taxé de négligence avec toutes les conséquences que cela comporte ... Je suis perplexe ...
C'est une procédure courante et je ne vois pas où est le problème à condition que :
Le formulaire stipule bien que tu autorise la sté en question à débiter le montant spécifié...c'est justement ce qui peut te servir de preuve en cas d'utilisation frauduleuse...
Les numéros de carte se vendent sur le DARKNET....et les piratage de mails ne sont pas leur sources...un commerçant véreux est à mème de capter plus de coordonnées ...
Maintenant, tu peux toujours interroger ton organisme à ce sujet...
Les numéros de carte se vendent sur le DARKNET....et les piratage de mails ne sont pas leur sources...un commerçant véreux est à mème de capter plus de coordonnées...
Certes mais l’un n’empêche pas l’autre ! Personnellement, ça me dérange de transmettre toutes les données de ma CB + photocopie recto/verso + données du passeport par un simple e-mail. Pas sûr que ma banque soit ravie par l’idée non plus.
Je me demandais juste si beaucoup se pliait à cette manière de faire ou si les gens avaient trouvé un moyen quelconque de contourner le problème. Toi même, tu as fait comme ça ?
Certains prestataires comprennent ce problème (qui est naturel) et acceptent de recevoir les coordonnées de ta CB en deux fois, par exemple, un bout par mail et le reste par téléphone, sms ou autre. Cela empêche a priori le piratage, mais encore faut-il avoir confiance dans le prestataire. Le risque est cependant bien moindre.
Pour la photocopie du passeport, y a pas trop de moyen...
Bonjour,
je l'ai toujours fait, souvent en effet en deux fois avec deux moyens différents.
Je touche du bois, jamais eu aucun problème en 5 voyages en Afrique australe.
Bonnes vacances!
Anne-Marie
Carnets : Namibie en camping car, l'Est de l'Afrique du Sud, du KTP au Kaokoland en 4x4, la Norvège en hiver 2x, l'Ecosse en hiver, la Namibie avec remorque, l'Islande en camping car en juin, le tout avec 4 enfants, dans le profil https://voyageforum.com/v.f?membre=Caperam;
je l'ai toujours fait, souvent en effet en deux fois avec deux moyens différents.
Je touche du bois, jamais eu aucun problème en 5 voyages en Afrique australe.
Bonsoir,
Merci pour le témoignage. Je me doute que ça doit bien se passer la plupart du temps (faudrait pas avoir de pot quand même) mais je ne peux pas m'empêcher de penser à l'autre cas de figure, surtout par les temps qui courent où il ne fait pas bon traîner sur le web sans une armure et tout un arsenal de guerre 😛😏
Pour limiter les risques, la fois où j'ai eu à envoyer les données de ma CB, avec l'accord du réceptionnaire, j'ai envoyé 3 mails à partir d'adresses différentes avec dans le premier les numéros de la carte, dans le second, la date de validité et dans le troisième le code CVV.
Le fait d'utiliser plusieurs adresses mail limite les risques de piratage.
Aliza
http://www.islandenpoche.net
Préparer son voyage en Islande - Carnets de voyages Juillet 2009, Mars 2011, Mai 2013, Juillet 2015, Juin 2016, mars 2018, Nouvel an 2019, Mars 2020
Si la boite mail de réception est la même, tu peux envoyer un mail par chiffre en changeant de boîte à chaque fois, ça ne change pas grand-chose. C'est le point d'arrivée qu'il faut modifier.
En fait, à la réflexion, c'est les deux, envoi comme destination, qui doivent être différents...
Oui.
Mais ça ne résout pas le problème des photocopies. Pour la CB, tu peux essayer de leur dire que ce n'est pas la peine, puisque tu leur donnes déjà toutes les coordonnées. Pour le passeport, pas vraiment de solution. Tu peux peut-être cacher la photo pour bien montrer ton identité, mais pour que l'on ne puisse pas s'en servir. Après, il faut voir pourquoi ils en ont besoin...
Bonjour,
je l'ai toujours fait, souvent en effet en deux fois avec deux moyens différents.
Je touche du bois, jamais eu aucun problème en 5 voyages en Afrique australe.
Bonnes vacances!
Anne-Marie
Et un envoi moitié par mail, moitié par SMS par exemple (ou fax) ça change quelque chose ?
Bonjour
En fait tu ne prends pas vraiment de risque.... L'avantage des cartes bancaires, c'est d'être couvert pour les utilisations frauduleuses. Donc tu peux toujours envoyer tes coordonnées, si, ta CB est utilisée par ailleurs tu portes plaintes et tu es remboursé....
Tu as reçu exactement les mêmes réponses sur un autre forum!
Il n’y a aucun témoignage discordant.
C’est exact et mon but n’était pas, en postant sur 2 forums à la fois, de mettre en avant des discordances mais d’obtenir rapidement un maximum de témoignages qui me permettraient de m’aider dans la conduite à tenir et la décision à prendre qui est imminente.
En fait tu ne prends pas vraiment de risque.... L'avantage des cartes bancaires, c'est d'être couvert pour les utilisations frauduleuses. Donc tu peux toujours envoyer tes coordonnées, si, ta CB est utilisée par ailleurs tu portes plaintes et tu es remboursé....
Si on raisonne comme ça, on ne fait plus attention à grand chose. Les assurances et couvertures diverses ne doivent pas être, à mon sens, un laissez-passer pour agir sans réfléchir. D’autant qu’il existe souvent de nombreuses exclusions pas toujours bien connues. C’est pour cela que j’ai voulu savoir si certains avaient réussi à contourner ce problème par un moyen ou un autre. Bon, mais ça c’est ma façon de voir les choses ... trop prudente peut-être ... ou pas 😉
Vérifie également si ton assurance habitation ne te couvre pas lors des voyages et en particulier pour les annulations et autres protections (retour si problème sur place). Quant à payer en CB les frais de TO , cela te coutera environ 2.5% par rapport à payer par virement: Lis bien le contrat du TO. C'est la règle.
Juste un petit mot pour faire le point et clore ce post.
Tout d'abord, merci à tous pour votre participation et vos témoignages 🙂
Envoyer ses références de carte bancaire par mail ou par une combinaison de plusieurs mails ou mails/SMS semble une manière courante d'agir en Namibie (et sans doute ailleurs) et beaucoup s'y plient sans se poser trop de questions et sans avoir (apparemment) de problèmes.
Cependant et après consultation de personnes avisées (banque, informaticien), agir de la sorte c'est littéralement comme laisser sa carte bancaire traîner dans un bus ou autre. Cela peut bien se passer ... ou pas. D'autant qu'une agence de voyage ou autre professionnel du tourisme est une cible intéressante puisque supposée recevoir des informations de paiement.
LE RISQUE : se faire pirater sa carte, évidemment. Le fait peut avoir lieu dans les suites de l'envoi non sécurisé mais le plus souvent, il se passe à distance, numéros de CB revendus ou utilisés plus tard, parfois sur de" petites" sommes cumulées. Difficile, parfois, d'établir le lien avec cet envoi de mail imprudent. Donc un seul conseil : ne pas omettre de surveiller ses relevés bancaires au long cours afin de pouvoir faire un signalement à temps. Prudence élémentaire me direz-vous mais il y a des choses qui méritent qu'on les rappelle.
En ce qui nous concerne, l'agence a maintenu sa demande de photocopie de CB à envoyer par mail arguant du fait que leur banque la demandait parfois en cas de suspicion de fraude. Ceci, allié à d'autres éléments, dont les frais supplémentaires pour paiement par CB clairement mentionnés sur la facture, nous a amené à réfléchir.
Finalement, nous organiserons notre voyage par nous même.
A ce sujet j'ai noté que certains établissements proposaient, pour valider une réservation :
soit d'envoyer ses références CB par mail (il s'agit souvent de petits établissements ou guest-farm ...)
soit de payer sur un site internet non sécurisé (retour à la case départ)
soit de payer sur un site internet sécurisé (ils sont quand même assez nombreux et cela concerne la majorité des établissements qui brassent un plus gros volume de réservations)
Je suppose que, devant l'augmentation de la fréquentation touristique, la recrudescence des problèmes de sécurité via le net et l'évolution des méthodes de protections, de plus en plus de professionnels vont s'équiper en conséquence.
J'ai enfin terminé.
Désolée pour ce message un peu long et sans doute une évidence pour les connaisseurs qui fréquentent ce forum mais j'ai la naïveté de penser qu'il servira peut-être à d'autres futurs voyageurs moins avertis qui passeront par là et j'espère qu'il pourra contribuer à leur éviter certaines déconvenues.
Bonjour,
juste pour préciser quand je te disais l'avoir fait, c'était à destination de petites guest houses ou campings, je ne suis jamais passée par une agence pour partir en voyage en Namibie.
Bon voyage !
Anne-Marie
Carnets : Namibie en camping car, l'Est de l'Afrique du Sud, du KTP au Kaokoland en 4x4, la Norvège en hiver 2x, l'Ecosse en hiver, la Namibie avec remorque, l'Islande en camping car en juin, le tout avec 4 enfants, dans le profil https://voyageforum.com/v.f?membre=Caperam;
Attention aux assurances des CBs en Namibie, la mienne exclue les véhicules 4*4. Cela enlève pas mal de l'attrait de celle-ci pour le paiement du séjour.
Personnellement, j'ai opté pour un virement bancaire et une assurance complète avec le loueur de voiture avec deux roues de secours, garanties pare-brise et pneus, etc.
J'ai bien fait car le toyota helix avait un problème de géométrie et les pneus avant se sont tellement usés que j'ai dû prendre les deux roues de secours.
Le problème des assurances a été longuement débattu sur ce forum (et ailleurs).
Il n'était pas question de voiture ici, mais de paiement de TO ou de réservations d'hébergements.
Il est bien connu qu'en général les Visa Premier ou Gold n'assurent pas le rachat de franchise des 4x4. Mais la Visa Infinite le fait.
La Gold AMEX aussi mais peu de loueurs l'acceptent du moins en Namibie.
Quant aux assurances des loueurs, ce ne sont pas des "Tous risques", même avec l'option la plus chère, malgré ce qu'on peut croire, car elles ne te couvrent pas si tu te plantes tout seul.
Cordialement,
Chris
"Alors, t'as fait un beau voyage?
Je sais pas, j'ai pas fini de trier mes photos..."
Bonjour,
Le problème de l'auteur de la discussion était un pb de paiement par CB et non un pb d'assurance : voir titre.
Quant à ton assurance du loueur, je suis ravie pour toi.
Je te suggère quand même de tout vérifier (ce que je fais chaque fois) et de relire de très près les conditions et le contrat d'assurance complet, tu sais, ce qui est écrit en tout petit.
Cordialement,
Chris
"Alors, t'as fait un beau voyage?
Je sais pas, j'ai pas fini de trier mes photos..."
Si tu as peur qu'on "intercepte" ton mail utilise un webmail crypté. Perso j'utilise Proton mail (c'est Suisse).
Si la crainte est chez le réceptif pas de solution.
Maintenant Madiza est un réceptif très connu et je n'ai jamais entendu parlé de problème avec elle.
Merci pour l’info, je ne connaissais pas Proton mail. Il existe en effet plusieurs services semblables en France (utilisés par exemple pour l’envoi de dossiers médicaux et sûrement pour beaucoup d’autres choses) mais leur coût est prohibitif si on désire simplement envoyer un e-mail sécurisé ponctuellement. Proton mail offre une version gratuite ? J’ai juste jeté un coup d’oeil en vitesse mais je vais approfondir. C’est intéressant à savoir 😉
Pour préciser les choses, Titaille a raison, ma question portait sur le problème de sécurité relatif à l’envoi de ses coordonnées bancaire par simple email.
Cependant, si je tiens à utiliser ma CB, c’est effectivement pour pouvoir bénéficier des assurances qui lui sont liées. Ce sujet a largement été débattu sur d’autres posts et je crois en avoir saisi les grandes lignes. En ce qui nous concerne, nous avons l’intention de louer un SUV 2*4 et j’ai bien l’intention de contacter les services d’assurances pour préciser ma situation. Cependant je rejoins Titaille dans son commentaire. Pour moi, l’assurance la plus complète du loueur est loin d’être une solution satisfaisante en Namibie. Et j’ai lu toutes les lignes en petits caractères 😠
Le SUV sur chemin en terre, cela ne marchera pas non plus avec toutes les CBs.
Concernant le paiement par CB, déjà, que je ne donne pas mon numéro sur les courriers de la Redoute, de Becquet, en France, alors, imagine, en Namibie (ou un autre pays), même pas en rêve.
J'ai préféré passer par un virement bancaire et une assurance pour la location de voiture même si ce n'est pas parfait, ce ne sera pas pire que celle de la CB.
Je pars aussi par madiza en octobre : j'ai payé l'avance par CB pour cela j'ai transmis le formulaire demandé par mail sauf le numéro CB que j'ai transmis en appelant Laurence par téléphone. la communication est courte et cela coute peu.
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March or May 2027.
Around 15 days in the Western Cape,
then 15 days in the southern KNP.
Arrival either in PE or George.
The pros know I’m somewhat familiar with the area... that I don’t camp... that my accommodations can be simple and remote, self-catering but with basic comforts... that I’m looking for spots that are a bit off the beaten path... in a relaxed mode...
From George:
Late arrival... need some rest... Herolds Bay from George to the N1.
Tsitsikamma is catching my eye (Storms River)... with or without a stop in Knysna.
Question:
What’s the current condition of the pass from Knysna to Uniondale? R339.
And while I’m at it, the condition of the R340.
Tsitsikamma, Knysna, and my questions still apply if arriving in PE.
Is the Swartberg still closed?
Any recommendations for accommodation in Prince Albert?
If I cross the escarpment, I’ll continue via Anysberg NR, Touwsrivier... any thoughts?
From there... Tankwa Karoo or Mount Cedar (or both).
Then heading back down to the coast... the highlands of Hermanus or Kogelberg NR (any opinions on the latter?).
Or,
A more classic route along the coast...
If I arrive (fairly late) in PE... any ideas for accommodation in that little area?
Given that Nyathi Camp is winking at me...
(For context... a while back, I stayed at Riverbend (same Addo sector, private concession)... and I visited the ruins of that abandoned lodge at the time, which has clearly been renovated since... located in a very quiet part of Addo...).
Any feedback from the pros?
Well, that’s about it...
I’m open to any other tips or advice!
I’m reaching out with a question about which park to choose for a 3-day safari in Kenya.
After 20 days in Uganda, I’m meeting up with my dad for a 3-day safari (that works for him). We’ll be meeting in Nairobi and have a full day to travel to a park (preferably the farthest from Nairobi to avoid crowds?) and spend 4 nights there before heading back to the capital for our flight to France.
I’d love to hear your recommendations since I’ve read so many great tips on this forum.
Hi there,
I’m considering camping in Nyungwe Park with my family (2 adults, 2 kids) at Uwinka campsite. Problem: the park rents the tent but without any gear (mattresses, blankets). We don’t have a car. Is it possible to rent or buy mattresses and blankets near the park, please?
Thanks for your help
Hi, I'm looking for information on the road conditions in Moremi. We're leaving in 15 days, and from what I've heard, the roads are pretty tough to drive on. Any advice?
Thanks
I’m planning a potential trip to Namibia for a classic circuit in April 2027.
I’m surprised by how expensive the accommodations inside the parks are—really steep! Is it possible to stay outside the parks but still close enough to enjoy the game drives?
Do you have any recommendations for more reasonably priced lodging? I’m okay with spending 200 to 250 € per night.
No camping—the friend I’m traveling with absolutely refuses 😉, but maybe upgraded tents would work.
Hello,
We’re planning a route from Maun to Kazane and Victoria Falls for May 2027 in a Toyota Hilux 4x4, staying in lodges (no camping). Here’s the rough outline:
- Maun: Arrival likely from Johannesburg, 2 nights
- Khwai: 2 nights
- Return to Maun
- Need to decide on a stop between Maun and Sepopa?
- Sepopa: 2 nights
- Cross into Namibia: Bagani, 2 nights
- Kongola: 2 nights
- Katima Mulilo: 2 nights
- Kasane: 3 or 4 nights
- Victoria Falls: 1 or 2 nights
- Return to France from Kasane or Victoria Falls
What’s the road condition like between Maun and Khwai? The stop names are approximate based on accommodations.
Thanks for any feedback on this plan!
Ailleurs 64
At the end of July, we’re heading to Namibia with a group of five for a three-week road trip and visit to the national parks.
We’ve read conflicting info about buying entry tickets—either online (where?) or at the gate when we arrive?
I’d love to hear your thoughts on the agencies you used to plan your trip to Uganda.
There’s the whole issue of gorilla permits, which need to be booked in advance and involve a significant financial commitment. That’s where I’m at with my trip planning. Between checking lutb.go.ug/ and reading online reviews, it’s hard to move forward with confidence.
I contacted the French Embassy, but they don’t provide any recommendations. I almost booked with an agency that had a really bad review from February specifically about the permit process.
How did you go about choosing your agency? Given the large sum involved, I’m this close to booking through a travel agency in France for this part.
From what I understand, no matter which agency books the permit, you’re ultimately guided by professionals trained for gorilla trekking based on the permit itself? I’m assuming that’s how it works.
Thanks for your feedback, and I’m really happy to see the forum’s new energy—it’s been super helpful to me in the past.
We’re heading to Uganda next summer for three weeks with our two kids, who’ll be 7 and 9 years old.
We’ve been to Southern Africa before but not East Africa, and after a trip to South Africa two years ago, the kids wanted to return to Africa, while we wanted to explore a new region while staying independent... Uganda’s been catching our eye for a while, and with Rwandair offering relatively attractive prices, we’re going for it!
We’ll be traveling in a 4x4 (self-drive) with roof tents. I don’t have any 4x4 driving experience, so it’ll be a first for me, but we’ll manage 😉 No great apes for us—kids need to be 15, and we don’t want to do that experience without them.
I don’t usually ask the forum much for trip planning, but this time, I’d love your thoughts and advice!
First question: Karamoja or not? At first glance, if we want to add it to a "classic" loop in the southwest, it doesn’t seem realistic—too packed, too much driving. We could consider doing the full loop via Kidepo and then heading down to Murchison, but I’m worried the trip might feel less varied and less kid-friendly. That said, the region looks stunning, and I’m struggling to accept not going at all... What do you think?
If we skip Karamoja, we’d do a loop: Murchison/Fort Portal/QENP/Bunyonyi/Mburo, which seems pretty comprehensive and would let us take our time, which is nice. A few random questions:
- How much time should we plan for the Fort Portal area? I was thinking at least 3 days to visit Bigodi Swamp, walk around the craters, and maybe do a community walk (any thoughts on that?).
- Between Murchison Falls and the Fort Portal area, is it worth breaking up the drive? I spotted Lake Albert Safari Lodge on the shores of Lake Albert—it’s not too expensive and looks nice.
- I’d love to do some easy walks/hikes at the foot of the Rwenzori Mountains, ideally without a guide, but it doesn’t seem straightforward. Do you know if it’s possible to do nice walks independently? I’ve read about hikes in the hills near Kilembe but nothing very specific. Maybe staying somewhere at the foot of the mountains, like Ruboni Community Camp, would allow that.
- Lake Mutanda looks really cool, and so does Lake Bunyonyi... Ideally, I’d like to see both, but won’t that feel repetitive? Is Lake Mutanda worth the detour?
Last practical question, since we don’t have experience with this: for the car with kids, would you recommend two tents (a bit more space) or a four-person tent?
I’ll stop here—already a lot of questions...
Thanks in advance for your feedback, and looking forward to exchanging ideas!
Gabriel
We’re planning our second trip to South Africa in July 2026. In 2023, we did a loop from Joburg, Golden Gate, Drakensberg, Hluhluwe, St Lucia, Eswatini, Kruger, Blyde River Canyon, and back to Joburg.
This time, we’d like to go to Cape Town and do a road trip to Port Elizabeth, then fly back to Joburg to return to Kruger. At this stage of my planning, here’s what it could look like:
D1 to D4: Cape Town and Cape of Good Hope (Table Mountain, Lion’s Head, Waterfront, Bo-Kaap, Boulders, Cape Point, Chapman’s Peak Drive). I’ve spotted a few places to stay between Camps Bay and Hout Bay (3 nights).
D5 and D6: Either Karoo NP or Hermanus and De Hoop. Any opinions to tip the scales? I’ll admit I’m already leaning toward Karoo (the "wild" vibe of the landscapes and wildlife encounters appeal to me much more than the seaside, which feels less exotic). If we go for Karoo, where should we stay? Inside the park or in Beaufort West? I’ve seen good reviews for Ko-ka Tsara Bush Camp, but maybe it’s better to stay in the Sanparks cottages to make the most of the park? (2 nights)
Option B is to do Stellenbosch (though vineyards aren’t great in winter) and/or the Whale Route—Betty’s Bay, Hermanus, De Hoop (2 nights near Gansbaai).
D7 and D8: Klein Karoo, Oudtshoorn. Staying at De Cango Guest Farm (2 nights).
D9 and D10: Knysna, Robberg Nature Reserve, Tsitsikamma (2 nights in Plettenberg Bay and 1 night in PE).
D11: Flight from Port Elizabeth to Joburg at 7 AM and drive to Marloth Park.
For Kruger, I’ve booked 2 nights in Marloth Park, 1 night in Skukuza, 2 nights in Satara, and 1 night in Talamati, which we loved. I’ll book the last night in Graskop later since we want to revisit the Blyde Canyon area.
I’d love all the feedback you can give on my itinerary, especially for days 5 and 6.
If you have recommendations for accommodations for 4 people, I’d appreciate those too.
Thanks! 🙂
We’re a family of four (two daughters aged 18 and 21) and we’re planning a three-week trip to Tanzania. Zanzibar would be our main base, but we’d also like to do a safari on the mainland.
Could you share any tips on:
- the ideal length for such a safari, the best place to go during this period (and easily accessible by flight from Zanzibar)
- your recommendations for the most suitable type of stay for a family like ours
- reliable local agencies with reasonable prices that could help us with this plan
Hi everyone, I’m here to get some advice on visiting KRUGER Park.
From what I’ve gathered through my reading, I understand there are two ways to visit the park:
- Independently with your own vehicle
=> Do you drive all day?
- By booking with a professional
=> Safari early in the morning and late in the afternoon. But what do you do in between?
When it comes to accommodations, the options are:
- Booking in one of the park’s camps, where the lodging is basic but functional
- Booking in a private reserve, which is more comfortable but prohibitively expensive
- Booking outside the park, which means entering the park every morning. But if you want to stay for 3 days, that doesn’t seem practical to me.
Do you have any advice for accommodations?
To be honest, I’m really struggling to understand how it all works...
Thanks to everyone for your help.
Bidule 27
Hey everyone!
Heading to Namibia in a few days and I just read that the entry fees for all parks in Namibia have skyrocketed. Increases between 86 and 100%, and this has been in effect since April 1st (no joke). Have any of you heard about this, and if so, do you know if it’s actually being enforced?
For example, the fee for Etosha has gone from 150 NAD to 280 NAD per day per person.
Thanks in advance!
I’m really interested in traveling to South Africa in September 2020. My question is whether I should go on an organized tour or plan my own itinerary. Organized trips are pretty expensive $$$$, but the security aspect reassures me. I’d love to hear your thoughts on safety in South Africa and whether it’s easy to arrange activities like visiting vineyards, Cape Town, and going on a safari on our own. Which is better in terms of cost—booking an organized trip or doing it ourselves? It’s definitely less exciting to follow a group for 10 days. We’re a couple in our 50s who love nature.
😊🦁
We’re heading out in April 2027 with our 4x4 to explore part of Southern Africa. Right now we’re researching all these beautiful countries and deciding where to ship our vehicle. We’re from Le Havre—has anyone here already shipped from that port to South Africa or East Africa?
As for all these countries, is wild camping allowed, tolerated, easy, or difficult?
We’ve already visited a few, but you can read just about anything online, so getting tips from real independent travelers is way better :)
We’re all ears for any hacks, experiences, or spots you’d recommend.
See you on the road with Doddy
Hi,
I’m starting to plan a great trip for the last three weeks of January 2027 (my first time in South Africa).
After spending a few hours (!) browsing this forum, here’s a rough first draft of my itinerary:
D0 Arrival at JNB
D1, D2 Blyde River Canyon
D3, D4, D5, D6, D7: Kruger
D8, D9, D10: St Lucia and surrounding area
D11, D12, D13, D14: Drakensberg + Lesotho
D15 A very long driving day to the south (hope the AC doesn’t break down!)
D16, D17, D18, D19 southwest coast (so far I’ve noted Oudtshoorn, Robberg Nature Reserve, Wilderness NP, De Hoop Reserve, and a bit of the wine route)
D20, D21 Cape Town (peninsula and a bit of the city) + domestic flight and return flight (departure from JNB at 11 PM)
A few questions before refining this:
- Do you see any major issues with this itinerary?
- We don’t have a choice on dates, and personally, I prefer green landscapes to desert ones anyway, but do you really see far fewer animals in January than in the dry season? Five days in Kruger should give us enough time to spot plenty of different animals despite the tall grass, right? As for the heat, we’re from Réunion, so we’re relatively used to it, even though I know it’s not the same type of heat.
- Can I trust the distances and driving times given by Google Maps?
- Picking up the vehicle in Johannesburg and dropping it off in Cape Town: how much might that cost us? I’m thinking it probably won’t be worse (in terms of time or money, since there are five of us—2 adults + 3 kids) than going back to Joburg after Lesotho, taking a flight to Cape Town, and renting another vehicle... but maybe I’m wrong.
- Finally, wouldn’t it be better to focus on just one of the two regions (either the northeast or Cape Town and the south coast)? If it were up to me, I’d stick to the first part and extend a few stops... but not everyone agrees! And we’re thinking that since it’ll be really hot, a second part of the trip that’s a bit """cooler""" would be welcome.
I imagine many of you have been captivated by the Masai Mara park and/or your safari experience with Tony Crocetta/Melting Pot Safari. Still, I’d like to share my perspective.
First, I’m an avid traveler, especially in love with Africa, which my partner and I have explored a bit (Zambia, South Africa, Botswana, Kenya, Zimbabwe, Namibia...).
That said, I want to express my deep disappointment with both the Masai Mara and Tony Crocetta’s camp, Melting Pot Safari, where we stayed last year.
First, about the park: it’s stunning, no doubt. But what a highly touristy place! I can’t find the words to describe the horror of being among 30 4x4 vehicles lined up in front of a lioness hunt, let alone encircling her right after her kill while her prey is still alive in her jaws... no respect for wildlife. The same goes for surrounding a young leopard playing with its small prey, a moment when I counted over 50 vehicles, most with their engines running... sickening. I turned away, both my gaze and my camera. What a disaster to see this natural wonder of Africa turned into a tourist hotspot.
Yes, I loved this place on Earth, but no, I won’t "promote" it anywhere or to anyone.
Next, I also wanted to share my dissatisfaction with Tony Crocetta’s famous camp, Melting Pot Safari: where to begin? We booked a private vehicle for four with two friends, and I have no complaints about the vehicle itself (though it obviously came at a cost). The windows and the vehicle weren’t very photo-friendly, but let’s move on.
The trip between the sisters’ guesthouse (which was fine) and the camp went smoothly, except we arrived a bit too late. Result: "We’ll leave for the safari an hour later today because the driver has to respect his rest hours." Perfect—with park formalities, we only spent about an hour in the park that evening. The safari got off to a great start...
During our 12-day stay, we saw some amazing things. Tony wasn’t at the camp—I don’t know what the atmosphere is like when he’s there, but it was rather cold during our trip. Sylvie, his wife, barely looked at us, never asking how our day, night, or game drive went (I think she spoke to us once during the stay, plus the day we arrived, of course). We felt invisible... (if I were mean, I’d say the money had already been deposited into Melting Pot’s bank account.)
The evening meals, if I may say so, were a joke: not enough dessert (aside from fruit, but the few elaborate desserts—like 10 for 18 guests) for everyone, barely enough meat or sides. If you were unlucky like us and ended up with a group of 15 people who decided to skip the starter, you’d better hurry to get your main course, or there might not be any left—and no refills... We always ate our fill, but sometimes we had to serve ourselves in advance.
Finally, I want to correct something about the quality of the meals: seriously, this buffet was really mediocre and far from the culinary standards I’d read about in my pre-trip research (see their Facebook page).
Anyway, let’s move past the food—after all, the avocados were sublime, and we’re not there primarily to eat.
About the tent: the river views were beautiful, and the beds were very comfortable. No running water, individual showers outside the tent, and dry toilets—but it’s Africa, so we weren’t shocked. However, I’m disappointed that for this "modest" price, I wasn’t warned there’d be no soap (and no, I don’t travel with my own soap—and for the price, a little bar in the tent wouldn’t be a luxury). But let’s move on—the hippo views were fantastic. Oh, and to preserve the Masai Mara’s water (which makes sense) and for hygiene reasons, underwear isn’t washed by the camp staff—fair enough. But then what’s that little sign next to the bed? Oh right, for a hefty sum, underwear suddenly becomes "washable"...
Finally, my biggest gripe is about the essential part: the game drives. In France, they sell you a dream with a "photo safari" (what’s the difference, really? A room with a few more electrical outlets?). They promise guides especially suited for photography (not a given, sorry) and vehicles that can get close to animals and go off-road... but here’s the catch: the guides are bound by park laws and hounded by rangers looking to fine rule-breakers. Result: as soon as a white ranger vehicle is spotted, we have to abandon our spot for a wild chase through the grass. Fun once... The next day, we learned that another group’s guide got caught and had to pay $100 for breaking the rules—a sum he casually asked the travelers in his vehicle to cover... because of course, Melting Pot lures tourists with dreams, the poor rangers try to get close, all while breaking park laws... and they break those laws for Crocetta’s company, which, of course, won’t dip into its profits to pay the fines. Basically, it’s "keep the clients happy, but don’t get fined—or the fines are on you or you’ll have to ask the clients directly." Nice boss! Anyway, there were long discussions about this last year, especially among the guests in the fined vehicle. My partner and I found these practices unacceptable, and we were deeply disappointed by this attitude.
I know many people adore this park and/or this company—maybe you were luckier... or maybe you’re less demanding than we are when it comes to respecting rules, nature, and clients. But after traveling through much of southern Africa, I can tell you we personally came back frustrated from this experience and aren’t eager to return... You’ve been warned.
Here’s my feedback after a recent trip to Ethiopia, organized with a local guide.
Despite a signed quote, months of prep exchanges (over eight months!), and phone calls right up to departure day, the guide didn’t honor the commitments we’d agreed on.
Haile Haftu FANUAILE, manager of the agency www.charmethiopiantours.com—who we’d organized everything with—didn’t meet us as promised when we arrived in Addis Ababa. Without any warning, he sent a different guide to accompany us for the entire trip (with a flimsy excuse).
Several parts of the signed quote weren’t respected:
– Services included in the quote but not provided on-site (meals, water),
– Hotels we’d chosen, booked, and paid for were swapped for lower-category places,
– Visits were canceled because the timing wasn’t calculated properly,
– One stop on the itinerary was dropped without any reason or explanation.
We’d paid a deposit for domestic flights, with a promise to refund any overpayment. A month after returning, 150 € per person (there were three of us) still hasn’t been refunded.
I’m sharing this to warn fellow travelers about the importance of solid guarantees to ensure contracts are actually honored. Double-check everything before committing!
Wishing everyone safe and smooth travel prep—Ethiopia is an incredible country!
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Hello,
Feedback following a recent trip to Ethiopia, organized with a local guide.
Despite a signed quote, numerous preparatory exchanges over eight months, and phone calls right up until the day of departure, the guide did not fulfill his commitments.
Haile Haftu FANUAILE, manager of the agency www.charmethiopiantours.com with whom we had organized everything, did not meet us as agreed upon our arrival in Addis Ababa; without warning us, he sent another guide in his place to accompany us throughout the trip (with a bogus excuse).
Several points in the signed quote were not honored:
– services included in the quote but not provided on site (meals, water),
– hotels chosen, booked, and paid for, replaced by lower-category establishments,
– visits canceled due to lack of time, which had not been calculated correctly,
– one stop on the itinerary canceled without reason or explanation.
A deposit had been paid for the booking of domestic flights, with a commitment to refund the overpayment.
To date, one month after our return, 150 € per person (there were three of us) has still not been refunded.
This testimony is intended to alert travelers to the importance of solid guarantees for contracts that are actually honored, so that everyone can be extra vigilant before committing.
Good luck with your travel preparations, everyone.
Ethiopia is an extraordinary country!
Hello,
With so many agencies out there, we're feeling a bit lost. Could you please share your experience—like recommending your agency if you were happy with them—and tell us why, and if possible, what budget we should expect? Feel free to send it in a private message :)
We’re just the two of us, and ideally, we’d like to go in a 4x4 alone or with another couple, or in a very small group.
Hi there,
I’ve reached out to a few agencies for a week-long family safari next summer before heading to Zanzibar.
So far, the itinerary looks like this:
Day 1: Late arrival at JRO and overnight in Arusha
Day 2: Drive to Tarangire, park visit, and overnight in Tarangire
Day 3: Tarangire, drive to and overnight in Karatu
Day 4: Ngorongoro and overnight in Ngorongoro
Day 5: Drive to Serengeti and safari in Seronera
Day 6: Serengeti and overnight near Lobo
Day 7: Serengeti and overnight in Seronera
Day 8: Flight from Seronera to Zanzibar
On paper, it covers "everything," but maybe there’s a bit too much time lost on the road... Any alternatives?
To simplify (and cut costs), I was thinking:
Day 1: Late arrival at JRO and overnight in Arusha
Day 2: Arusha National Park with a walking safari and meeting the Maasai (?)
Day 3: Drive to Tarangire, park visit, and overnight in Tarangire
Day 4: Full day in Tarangire
Day 5: Tarangire, drive to and overnight in Karatu
Day 6: Ngorongoro and overnight in Ngorongoro
Day 7: Morning in Manyara or Natron and drive to JRO
Day 8: Flight to Zanzibar
Your thoughts and recommendations are welcome...
Thanks
We have the opportunity to spend about ten days somewhere for Christmas, and I’m really tempted by Zanzibar. I’ve been dreaming for a long time about the Spice Island, Stone Town, diving...
Which hotels could you recommend? Not a big "resort"—we’re more into "boutique hotels" or even an Airbnb house. Somewhere quiet (we’re not party animals).
I’m thinking of staying the first few nights in Stone Town and then moving to a beach, preferably one where we can swim regardless of the tides, without ending up in seaweed and mud at low tide.
I’m a bit lost with all the beaches because apparently, the north is very crowded, the south is very windy, and the east has some good and some not-so-good spots, with big tides or not... HELP! 🤪
I’d like to limit myself to a maximum of 2 different places to stay over the 10 days.
I’m reaching out because I don’t understand how Volcanoes National Park works.
I looked at booking for the gorillas, but there’s just the price listed, and the same goes for the Diane Fossey tomb.
So I contacted a hotel in Kinigi, and they told me that for the gorillas, you need a car to get to the park headquarters, and then once you know your group, you need to get from the headquarters to the trekking start point?? Do you confirm this? Is that really how it works? They say the hotel has a driver and it would cost 100 DOLLARS!!
I just found out that on top of the permit, there are other fees??? Uhh…
Are there other options, knowing I don’t want to rent a 4x4 since I’m traveling alone?
And if I don’t get the gorilla permit but just want to visit the Diane Fossey tomb, is it the same issue? From Kinigi, do you need a 4x4? How far is the tomb from the headquarters? Is it a hike you can do alone OR DO YOU NEED A GUIDE, ON FOOT? By car??
If someone could explain everything to me… and is the DF Foundation different??
If I decide to go through an agency, is it possible in Musanze (which would save me trips) or is it mandatory to go through Kigali?
Thanks so much for your help…
Best regards
I’m in the middle of planning a road trip in Southern Africa, and I’m specifically working on the itinerary—especially the distances.
I’ve got the time, but I’m struggling with the transfer days (so much driving just to end up spending the whole day on the road). That’s why I’m trying to analyze travel times, even if it means adding extra stops.
My highlights in Zimbabwe would be:
- Hwange
- Victoria Falls (and maybe Matusadona)
- Mana Pools
- Harare
- Gonarezhou
- Great Zimbabwe
But the distances and travel times seem huge (over 4 hours each time), and I don’t see how to make the drives more chill or shorten them—even if it means adding stops (but which ones?) between each leg.
Would anyone be able to estimate the travel time between these highlights and maybe suggest some nice stops to take breaks?
I’ve been to Rwanda twice before, in November 1991 and December 1993, mostly for solidarity work.
I’m looking into going back this November or December for three weeks, but I’m a bit hesitant when I see the tourist offerings—it’s so far from how I like to travel...
I travel solo using public transport and stay in places like guesthouses (GH), or accommodations run by cooperatives, associations, or religious groups. I love villages, markets, hikes, and local crafts.
So far, my searches for these kinds of lodging options haven’t turned up much.
For now, I’m considering visiting (in no particular order):
Butare: Kibeho, Bisesero, Nyanza
Ngenda
Akagera, Kibungo, Lake Muazi
Dian Fossey’s tomb (with the possibility of seeing gorillas)
Kibuye??? Is the political situation stable there? Or Cyangugu?
So here are my first questions:
-Is French still widely spoken?
-Are there lists of the types of accommodations I mentioned above, or places to find that info?
-Is what I’m planning doable using public transport? From the towns, are moto-taxis still available to get to villages, sites, and—most importantly—back?
-Is it possible to go hiking solo?
-Which are the best markets and what days are they held?
I know that’s a lot of questions already, and I really appreciate any relevant answers you can share.
Looking forward to exchanging more!
I’m planning my next trip in September, and after two self-drive trips to Botswana last year, I’d love to explore Kruger. Since I’m used to camping, I’m thinking of renting an equipped van from Kitted Africa (a small Suzuki van—thanks Safari Expert!) to sleep in a tent and occasionally in a hut.
Here’s my provisional itinerary, and I’d love to hear your thoughts if you don’t mind.
I’ve got 13 nights to plan in Kruger. The rental company is based in Nelspruit.
Entering from the south:
14-15-16.09: 3 nights at Crocodile Bridge or Lower Sabie
17-18-19.09: 3 nights at Skukuza
20-21.09: 2 nights at Satara
22-23-24.09: 3 nights at Olifants
25-26.09: 2 nights at Tamboti or Talamati
Exiting the park on 27.09 via Orpen Gate, then heading to Blyde River Canyon for a night in a hotel or elsewhere.
28.09: Return to Nelspruit, drop off the van, and stay in a hotel.
29.09 (midday): Airlink flight to Johannesburg, then an evening return flight to GVA.
What do you think? Too many nights here, not enough there?
I’ll be traveling solo, I love driving, and I enjoy settling in the middle of nature to listen, observe, and take photos (Botswana was perfect for that).
Thanks in advance!
Nicole
Photo: Baines Baobab, Botswana, April 2025
I’d like to return to Africa and stay in a lodge where I can see animals—not necessarily the Big Five—without needing any transport once I arrive at the lodge, and at a price under $250 per day for two people with full board. The week-long stay is planned for late June into early July. I’m looking for suggestions. Thanks in advance!
Hi, I’d like to travel to Ethiopia as a solo 60-year-old woman, backpacking style, between December 2025 and January 2026.
I’m wondering about the current state of the country: unrest, safety concerns, etc.
Government websites advise against going, saying it’s too dangerous.
But I’m skeptical—they tend to be overly cautious.
So I’m looking for reliable information, though I’m not sure where to find it.
Thanks in advance!
Hello,
We’re a group of four seventy-something retirees and we’re planning a 4-week trip to South Africa. We’re seasoned "adventurers" used to multi-week stays (we’ve been to India seven times, Mexico, Thailand, Laos, Myanmar, Australia, etc.).
For South Africa, we’re thinking of covering most of the trip in a private vehicle and taking flights for inter-state transfers.
We’re interested in meeting people, learning about the country’s evolution, exploring major cities, visiting traditional villages, and seeing wildlife.
Here’s the itinerary we’re considering:
Johannesburg – 2 days (we’ll pass through again later)
Pretoria – 2 days
Blyde River Canyon and Graskop – 1 day
Acornhoek – 1 day
Letaba – 2 days
Lobamba – 2 days
Johannesburg – 1 day
Flight to Cape Town
Cape Town – 3 days
Cape of Good Hope – 1 day
Stellenbosch – 1 day
Hermanus – 1 day
Mossel Bay – 2 days
Oudtshoorn
Wilderness – 2 days
Knysna
Port Elizabeth – 2 days
Addo Elephant Park
Flight back to Johannesburg
Johannesburg – 1 day
Return to Paris
Could you share your thoughts on this itinerary? We’ll be renting a vehicle to explore both regions.
We can easily add 4–5 more days to the trip if needed.
We’re looking at traveling either between April and May 2026 or in October/November 2026.
I’ll follow up later to discuss the best safari options and get a rough budget estimate.
Thanks to everyone who takes the time to read this and share their thoughts!