Prendre le Transsibérien de Pékin vers Moscou?
by Arnaulaure
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
On parle beaucoup de Moscou-Pékin, mais pas de l'autre sens.
Même la compagnie du Transsibérien (basée en Suisse, pour des pays socialo-communistes, ça ne s'invente pas !) n'en fait pas état et ne répond même pas aux questions...
À croire que les trains reviennent à vide... ou plein de produits chinois ? 😉.
Suis preneur de toutes infos sur cette "navette" est-ouest : notamment de son tarif qui sans doute n'est pas le même que ouest-est (ceci expliquant peut-être cela...), d'expériences vécues récemment, de la possibilité d'étapes (Oulan-Bator, Novosibirsk...) et de la réalité des risques de "brigandage" dont on parle beaucoup sur le net et ailleurs.
Merci.
Arnaulaure CP
Bonjour Arnaud
Oublie ce que te disent les organisateurs basés à l'étranger. C'est de l'entourloupe.
Le trajet en transsib s'effectue aussi bien dans un sens que dans un autre. Les prix sont les memes, il n'y pas de raison que ca soit différent. Par contre, ton idée de le faire dans ce sens est judicieux, puisqu'on s'affranchit de la masse de touristes qui préferent partir en train depuis chez eux (pourquoi? j'en ai auqune idée).
Achète-donc tes billets sur place, c'est tellement moin cher qu'ici. Accorde-toi juste 2 jours d'avance car des fois les trains sont bondés (en particulier à partir d'UB puisque les trains sont moins fréquents). Mais ca dépend aussi de la saison. En été, ils sont plus fréquents et un peu plus cher. En hiver c'est le contraire. Par contre on se tape du -20° ou qu'on aille, et c'est fatiguant.
La sécurité, c'est pas top mais rien de bien méchant. En Chine, tout le monde est vraiment sympathique et les risques d'aggressions sont mineures. Juste faire gaffe à ses affaires. Meme chose en Mongolie. Nombre de personnes te proposeront leur aide s'ils te voient perdus meme s'ils ne comprennent pas l'anglais en général. Faire particulièrement attention aux risques de vols à UB. en Russie c'est plus chaud: les autoritées sont corrompus et dans de rares occasions, prennent passeport de voyageurs en otage. On est contraint de les "soudeoyer" pour les recuperer. Les nuits sont aussi un peu risqées dans les grandes villes, et le fort taux d'alcoolisme fait qu'on rencontre souvent des gens pétés comme c'est pas possible. Les russes sont cependant de nature acqueuillante en général. Et les filles vraiment canon😉
Oublie ce que te disent les organisateurs basés à l'étranger. C'est de l'entourloupe.
Le trajet en transsib s'effectue aussi bien dans un sens que dans un autre. Les prix sont les memes, il n'y pas de raison que ca soit différent. Par contre, ton idée de le faire dans ce sens est judicieux, puisqu'on s'affranchit de la masse de touristes qui préferent partir en train depuis chez eux (pourquoi? j'en ai auqune idée).
Achète-donc tes billets sur place, c'est tellement moin cher qu'ici. Accorde-toi juste 2 jours d'avance car des fois les trains sont bondés (en particulier à partir d'UB puisque les trains sont moins fréquents). Mais ca dépend aussi de la saison. En été, ils sont plus fréquents et un peu plus cher. En hiver c'est le contraire. Par contre on se tape du -20° ou qu'on aille, et c'est fatiguant.
La sécurité, c'est pas top mais rien de bien méchant. En Chine, tout le monde est vraiment sympathique et les risques d'aggressions sont mineures. Juste faire gaffe à ses affaires. Meme chose en Mongolie. Nombre de personnes te proposeront leur aide s'ils te voient perdus meme s'ils ne comprennent pas l'anglais en général. Faire particulièrement attention aux risques de vols à UB. en Russie c'est plus chaud: les autoritées sont corrompus et dans de rares occasions, prennent passeport de voyageurs en otage. On est contraint de les "soudeoyer" pour les recuperer. Les nuits sont aussi un peu risqées dans les grandes villes, et le fort taux d'alcoolisme fait qu'on rencontre souvent des gens pétés comme c'est pas possible. Les russes sont cependant de nature acqueuillante en général. Et les filles vraiment canon😉
bien c'est identique dans un sens comme dans l'autre! depuis pekin il y a 2 solutions dans le sens que le trasnmongolien depuis pekin sur moscou n'etant pas tous els 2j comme dans le sens moscou-pekin mais 2 en ete voir 3 et 1 en hiver il reste la solution moins chere de prendre le bus depuis pekin jusqu'a la frontiere mongole, passer cette derneire en taxi et prendre le train local quotidien pas cher du tout pour UB
là arret Ub et achat du billet pour la russie alors ou directement sur moscou, ou bien apr ex sur irkoust ou ulan de. il y a soit bus soit train qui font le trajet quotidiennement.
+ d'explication sur mes pages http://www.terramongolia.com avec aussi des liens pour achat billet en ligne a consulter pour els horaires, prix, conditions....
il n'est pas facile d'acheter le billet pour moscou depuis UB car parfois on ne peut reserver que la veille donc si en plein été il sera plein, prevoir du temps ou la solution locale comme signalée.
ensuite depuis irkoust poursuivre soit directement sur moscou soit en faisant des stops et en achetant les billets de gare en gare, peur revenir moins cher, etre + flexible certes, et prevoir un peu plus de temps que le direct entre Pekin- Moscou non stop
si vous faites un stop en Mongolie on peut si cela aide donner nos bons plans et autre car allons souvent la bas...
bon voyage
PS oui sur certains trains entre els frontieres il y a du trafic de marchandises, un veritable bussiness masi on ne vous embetera pas du tout, et le traffic change selon que le train est mongol, chinois ou russe, donc selon les jours marchandises differentes!
là arret Ub et achat du billet pour la russie alors ou directement sur moscou, ou bien apr ex sur irkoust ou ulan de. il y a soit bus soit train qui font le trajet quotidiennement.
+ d'explication sur mes pages http://www.terramongolia.com avec aussi des liens pour achat billet en ligne a consulter pour els horaires, prix, conditions....
il n'est pas facile d'acheter le billet pour moscou depuis UB car parfois on ne peut reserver que la veille donc si en plein été il sera plein, prevoir du temps ou la solution locale comme signalée.
ensuite depuis irkoust poursuivre soit directement sur moscou soit en faisant des stops et en achetant les billets de gare en gare, peur revenir moins cher, etre + flexible certes, et prevoir un peu plus de temps que le direct entre Pekin- Moscou non stop
si vous faites un stop en Mongolie on peut si cela aide donner nos bons plans et autre car allons souvent la bas...
bon voyage
PS oui sur certains trains entre els frontieres il y a du trafic de marchandises, un veritable bussiness masi on ne vous embetera pas du tout, et le traffic change selon que le train est mongol, chinois ou russe, donc selon les jours marchandises differentes!
un mongol nait sous la yourte et meurt à cheval (proverbe mongol)
Bonjour,
Je travaille comme guide français à bord de trains entre Moscou et Pékin et inversemment depuis 5 ans.
Il est tout à fait possible de faire le Pékin-Moscou il est d'ailleurs bien moins plein de touristes car moins utilisé par les étrangers.
Le paysage est le même...par contre tu gagnes une heure par jour à partir de la frontière russo-mongole.
Il vaut mieux que tu achètes les billets dans les gares, par contre tu peux voir tous les horaires avec l'agence est-ouest en Suisse sur leur site c'est très pratique et en plus c'est sur.
Concernant les vols c'est pas plus ni moins que si tu prenais le train dans un autre pays, il faut faire attention à ces affaires.
Bon voyage
Olivier
Olivier
Bonjour et merci beaucoup.
J'en prends bonne note et je transmets à mon fils (en fait c'est lui qui est intéressé : il est à Pékin jusqu'en juillet et a tout le mois d'août pour rentrer).
Je suis juste étonné sur ce que tu dis pour le site suisse parce que j'ai déjà cherché et rien trouvé sur le sens est-ouest.
Cordialement
AC
Arnaulaure CP
Je viens de regarder le site car je travaille parfois pour eux et utilise leurs horaires, oui ils y sont biens, il faut aller sur le site est-ouest puis regarder les voyages Transsibérien puis cliquer sur billet transsibérien et là on peut faire défiler toutes les villes dans le sens qu'on veut
Bonne chance
Olivier
Ah bon ben merci, je vais retourner voir.
Entre temps j'ai changé de lunettes, ça ira peut-être mieux... 😉
Arnaulaure CP
Bonjour,
je me greffe sur le sujet.... Je suis parti pour faire Moscou-Irkoutsk-Vladivostok. J'ai trouvé le site http://www.russiantrains.com/en/ Déjà: qu'en pensez vous? Deux: pourquoi une telle différence de prix entre un itinéraire: Moscou-Vladivostok (300e) et un Moscou-Irkoutsk-Vladivostok (300+300)?
Merci de vos réponses à mes questions de néophyte...
je me greffe sur le sujet.... Je suis parti pour faire Moscou-Irkoutsk-Vladivostok. J'ai trouvé le site http://www.russiantrains.com/en/ Déjà: qu'en pensez vous? Deux: pourquoi une telle différence de prix entre un itinéraire: Moscou-Vladivostok (300e) et un Moscou-Irkoutsk-Vladivostok (300+300)?
Merci de vos réponses à mes questions de néophyte...
Ah, voilà un renseignement précis et bien utile ! On se jette tous sur le site ! merci beaucoup au nom de tous ceux qui cherchent !
Hélène
"On croit qu'on fait un voyage mais c'est le voyage qui vous fait et vous défait."
Nicolas Bouvier. L'usage du monde
Bonjour
Je travaille sur les transsiberiens entre Moscou et Pekin donc si cela vous interesse vous pouvez aussi regarder mon site www.olivierloupias.com, j y vais trois fois par an j en suis revenu il y a trois semaines et je repars en mai il m arrive de travailler pour Espace Est Ouest
Je travaille sur les transsiberiens entre Moscou et Pekin donc si cela vous interesse vous pouvez aussi regarder mon site www.olivierloupias.com, j y vais trois fois par an j en suis revenu il y a trois semaines et je repars en mai il m arrive de travailler pour Espace Est Ouest
Olivier
Merci beaucoup !
Quel beau métier vous faites !
Je regarde et vous écrirai de nouveau. Merci encoore.
hélène
"On croit qu'on fait un voyage mais c'est le voyage qui vous fait et vous défait."
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That’s also when we saw once again how kind Thai people are—they all offered to share their food with us, even though we were mortified. In the end, we managed to buy some instant noodles, which was better than nothing. Anyway, that’s the little story behind it.
In the following years, we’ve always brought our own meals.
I’ve read online that meal trays are back in service (could you confirm this, please?), but that the quality is really poor. I’ve also seen multiple reports that, even though you can eat well everywhere in Thailand, the train meal was the worst food travelers had during their trip...
Could you give me a recent opinion on this? We’ll be departing from Krung Thep Aphiwat Central Station—do you know if there’s anywhere to buy a meal there before boarding the train?
Thanks so much for your help, and have a great Sunday!
I’d love to know if any of you have recently eaten on the overnight train from Bangkok to Chiang Mai.
We’ve always ordered food on the train, and it was really good (and super convenient). But in 2022, we ended up feeling like total idiots (with our 4-year-old daughter...) when we boarded the train only to find out that this service was no longer available... (It was the first time we’d traveled right after COVID.)
That’s also when we saw once again how kind Thai people are—they all offered to share their food with us, even though we were mortified. In the end, we managed to buy some instant noodles, which was better than nothing. Anyway, that’s the little story behind it.
In the following years, we’ve always brought our own meals.
I’ve read online that meal trays are back in service (could you confirm this, please?), but that the quality is really poor. I’ve also seen multiple reports that, even though you can eat well everywhere in Thailand, the train meal was the worst food travelers had during their trip...
Could you give me a recent opinion on this? We’ll be departing from Krung Thep Aphiwat Central Station—do you know if there’s anywhere to buy a meal there before boarding the train?
Thanks so much for your help, and have a great Sunday!
Hi there,
We’re heading to Thailand in February 2026 and we’d like to take the overnight train from Bangkok to Chiang Mai. Can we book two first-class tickets? I’m only seeing second-class options.
Thanks
We’re heading to Thailand in February 2026 and we’d like to take the overnight train from Bangkok to Chiang Mai. Can we book two first-class tickets? I’m only seeing second-class options.
Thanks
Hi everyone,
For traveling in Rajasthan by train and bus, could you give me some info: where to buy tickets, cost, purchase locations, websites, etc.?
Any tips you have would be super helpful.
Thanks
Hi there,
We’re traveling to Java on October 23, just the two of us. I’ve read that it’s best to book train tickets in advance on tiket.com. Is that true, and how far ahead do you recommend? Are the tickets changeable?
Thanks for your help!
Nicole
We’re traveling to Java on October 23, just the two of us. I’ve read that it’s best to book train tickets in advance on tiket.com. Is that true, and how far ahead do you recommend? Are the tickets changeable?
Thanks for your help!
Nicole
Hi everyone,
I’m planning to travel from Ulaanbaatar to Irkutsk by train this summer but I’m a bit worried about crossing the borders. How does it work? Could anyone share their experience? (I’ve found quite a few accounts of people going *from* Russia *to* Mongolia, but entering a country is never the same as leaving it—especially in this context!)
Thanks in advance! 😊
Thanks in advance! 😊
Hi
Can anyone tell me how to book train tickets online? We're planning to travel from HANOI to HO CHI MINH CITY by train, making several stops along the way. I'd also like to find the schedules and the stations where the trains stop.
There are four of us, and we've already planned stops in HANOI / DONG HOI / HUE.
Thanks in advance to anyone who can help!
Mounette74
Can anyone tell me how to book train tickets online? We're planning to travel from HANOI to HO CHI MINH CITY by train, making several stops along the way. I'd also like to find the schedules and the stations where the trains stop.
There are four of us, and we've already planned stops in HANOI / DONG HOI / HUE.
Thanks in advance to anyone who can help!
Mounette74
Hi everyone,
I’m heading to Japan for the second time with my 20-year-old son. During our first trip, we spent two weeks in Tokyo and Kyoto (plus the surrounding areas). This time, we’re planning to stay in Tokyo for at least 4-5 days and then head to the island of Naoshima. I’m looking for suggestions and advice: Is getting to Naoshima from Tokyo complicated? If so, do you have any recommendations for a stopover somewhere? Given that we’d prefer not to move every day, we’d rather settle in one place and then explore on day trips... Do you think it’s possible to do something like this: 5 nights in Tokyo (Shinjuku) 3 nights in Kyoto 2 nights in Naoshima (or is one night enough??) and if one night is enough, where could I spend a second night on the way back to Tokyo? 2 nights in Tokyo (I’d love your advice on staying in a different neighborhood—last time we stayed near Ueno Park)—keeping in mind we’re flying out of Narita.
I’m considering maybe skipping Kyoto, which I love but has apparently become *very* touristy... Not really keen on Osaka... since we’ll already have done Tokyo as our "big city." I’d prefer towns where nature is present... (a bit like Kyoto, which offers all that...)
For info, we’ll be traveling by train. Thanks in advance for all your suggestions and help!
I have one last little question: Is cash still widely used in Japan, or not at all anymore?
Thanks so much,
Karine
I’m heading to Japan for the second time with my 20-year-old son. During our first trip, we spent two weeks in Tokyo and Kyoto (plus the surrounding areas). This time, we’re planning to stay in Tokyo for at least 4-5 days and then head to the island of Naoshima. I’m looking for suggestions and advice: Is getting to Naoshima from Tokyo complicated? If so, do you have any recommendations for a stopover somewhere? Given that we’d prefer not to move every day, we’d rather settle in one place and then explore on day trips... Do you think it’s possible to do something like this: 5 nights in Tokyo (Shinjuku) 3 nights in Kyoto 2 nights in Naoshima (or is one night enough??) and if one night is enough, where could I spend a second night on the way back to Tokyo? 2 nights in Tokyo (I’d love your advice on staying in a different neighborhood—last time we stayed near Ueno Park)—keeping in mind we’re flying out of Narita.
I’m considering maybe skipping Kyoto, which I love but has apparently become *very* touristy... Not really keen on Osaka... since we’ll already have done Tokyo as our "big city." I’d prefer towns where nature is present... (a bit like Kyoto, which offers all that...)
For info, we’ll be traveling by train. Thanks in advance for all your suggestions and help!
I have one last little question: Is cash still widely used in Japan, or not at all anymore?
Thanks so much,
Karine
Hi everyone,
We’re planning this *very* last-minute—I know! But we’d love to spend 4 days soon (within the next 10–12 days) on a city getaway with our young adult kids. Ideally by train, and for this short trip, we’d prefer not to spend more than 4–6 hours in transit, leaving from Lausanne (Switzerland). We’ve been considering Milan, Strasbourg, or Freiburg im Breisgau, but I’ll admit I’m feeling a bit lost...
Venice was our original plan, but the connection changes in Domodossola or Milan are making the travel time longer this year.
It’s peak summer, so there’ll be tourists and it’ll likely be hot, but oh well...
Any suggestions? We love wandering around, taking photos, exploring cities on foot, trying out restaurants, and keeping things low-key.
Thanks to anyone who wants to chime in! :o)
We’re planning this *very* last-minute—I know! But we’d love to spend 4 days soon (within the next 10–12 days) on a city getaway with our young adult kids. Ideally by train, and for this short trip, we’d prefer not to spend more than 4–6 hours in transit, leaving from Lausanne (Switzerland). We’ve been considering Milan, Strasbourg, or Freiburg im Breisgau, but I’ll admit I’m feeling a bit lost...
Venice was our original plan, but the connection changes in Domodossola or Milan are making the travel time longer this year.
It’s peak summer, so there’ll be tourists and it’ll likely be hot, but oh well...
Any suggestions? We love wandering around, taking photos, exploring cities on foot, trying out restaurants, and keeping things low-key.
Thanks to anyone who wants to chime in! :o)






