Se déplacer au Japon: voiture ou transport en commun?
by Freerider65
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Hello,
je part cet hiver au japon.
Principalement pour skier et visiter.
En gros nous voudrions faire Tokyo--Hakuba
Hakuba--Nozawa Osen
Nozawa--Myoko
Atteint on ces endroit facilement en Transport en commun et ensuite dans chaque ville peut on aller facilement skier grace transport en commun?
Je me pose fortement la question de prendre une voiture pour pouvoir naviguer facilement et pour profiter des journée off pour visiter, mais vu le prix (plus de 850€) et la galère avec la traduction du permis, je me dit que si les transport en commun sont efficace pourquoi pas zapper la voiture?
Je ne sais pas sur quoi tu te bases pour évaluer le prix de la location de voiture (quelle voiture ? quelle durée ? drop-off ou pas ?).
Les transports en commun et la voiture sont complémentaires au Japon. Pour faire du parcours "de liaison" il faut prendre le train. Pour découvrir une région à petite vitesse en faisant une boucle, la voiture s'impose (la traduction n'est pas si galère à faire...).
Les principales villes sont bien reliées en train. Si le but est d'aller simplement d'une ville à l'autre, le train s'impose...
Le choix se fait rarement pour une question de budget (les trains ne sont pas gratuits non plus ! et si l'on est plusieurs, la voiture devient vite rentable bien sûr), mais sur une question d'utilisation et en fonction des itinéraires et déplacements prévus.
Les transports en commun et la voiture sont complémentaires au Japon. Pour faire du parcours "de liaison" il faut prendre le train. Pour découvrir une région à petite vitesse en faisant une boucle, la voiture s'impose (la traduction n'est pas si galère à faire...).
Les principales villes sont bien reliées en train. Si le but est d'aller simplement d'une ville à l'autre, le train s'impose...
Le choix se fait rarement pour une question de budget (les trains ne sont pas gratuits non plus ! et si l'on est plusieurs, la voiture devient vite rentable bien sûr), mais sur une question d'utilisation et en fonction des itinéraires et déplacements prévus.
Hello
Globalement, ce sont des stations "en etoile" a proximite de Nagano. Elles sont toutes tres facilement accessibles soit en train (Nozawa onsen) soit en bus depuis Nagano. En saison, il y a beaucoup de bus pour les skieurs au depart de la gare de Nagano tous les jours et tres frequents. En voiture, c'est faisable bien sur, mais les stations sont suffisamment bien desservies depuis Nagano pour que tu n'aies pas a te prendre la tete. Depuis Nagano, entre 1h et 1h30 de trajet suivant la station.
Sur place, seule Nozawa onsen pourra necessiter un tout petit peu de deplacement pour rejoindre le bas des pistes. Tout est par contre hyper simple (pour faire simple : tous les shinkansens hivernaux matinaux vers Nagano amenent des skieurs sur ces stations depuis Tokyo... tous ces skieurs n'ont pas de voitures).
Avec un peu de motivation, c'est tout a fait possible de faire l'aller/retour sur la journee depuis Tokyo.
Globalement, ce sont des stations "en etoile" a proximite de Nagano. Elles sont toutes tres facilement accessibles soit en train (Nozawa onsen) soit en bus depuis Nagano. En saison, il y a beaucoup de bus pour les skieurs au depart de la gare de Nagano tous les jours et tres frequents. En voiture, c'est faisable bien sur, mais les stations sont suffisamment bien desservies depuis Nagano pour que tu n'aies pas a te prendre la tete. Depuis Nagano, entre 1h et 1h30 de trajet suivant la station.
Sur place, seule Nozawa onsen pourra necessiter un tout petit peu de deplacement pour rejoindre le bas des pistes. Tout est par contre hyper simple (pour faire simple : tous les shinkansens hivernaux matinaux vers Nagano amenent des skieurs sur ces stations depuis Tokyo... tous ces skieurs n'ont pas de voitures).
Avec un peu de motivation, c'est tout a fait possible de faire l'aller/retour sur la journee depuis Tokyo.
Merci de ta réponse.
Je ne veut pas loger à Nagano.
Mais à chaque fois 3/4 jours sur chaque spots, donc hakuba, myoko et Nozawa osen.
Donc je vais arriver à Tokyo pour la 1er étapes je pense à Hakuba, ensuite je vais faire Hakuba/Nozawa osen, puis nozawa osen/Myoko et enfin myoko/Tokyo.
Donc tu confirme que c'est simple cette boucle en train (et/ou bus) et qu'ensuite dans chaque ville on va facilement des hotels au station sans voiture?
Faut également faire le calcul de la rentabilité, car pour 15 jours de location de voiture avec traduction du permis j'en ai pour 865€ et que nous ne somme que deux
Tu vas devoir prendre le train pour aller à Nagano puis le bus. En bus ça se fait très bien mais tu vas devoir à chaque fois retourner à Nagano d'abord puis changer de bus (ou le train selon) pour faire Nagano à la station de ski (Hakuba-Nagano-Nozawa par exemple avec deux bus differents) Si tu fais ces transferts les week-end c'est assez bondé, tu vas devoir faire la queue mais c'est tout le temps très bien organisé.
Pour la desserte vers ton hotel, ça dépend un peu de ou tu loges, je choisissais en fonction et je n'ai jamais eut de problèmes à tout faire en transport en commun.
Sinon je ne sais pas quels sont tes critères pour les stations mais moi je préfère shiga kogen à myoko kogen
Pour voir plus d'infos, de photos et de bons plans direction mon blog. http://voyagista.fr/
Hello
Oui, aucun probleme. Au pire absolu, si tu as un hotel vraiment cheap, tu auras une navette pour t'amener en bas des pistes en quelques minutes. La plupart des hotels et ryokans sont soit directement sur les pistes, soit a quelques minutes a pied. Tout est prevu pour le ski sur ces differentes stations. 4 jours sur chaque station... tu connaitras par coeur ;). Sur le hors piste, documente toi un peu. A Nozawa Onsen, il y a des coins "hors piste" au sens de "non surveilles, mais skiables" et des "hors pistes strictement interdits" et depuis un ou deux ans, les autorites font payer les frais de secours en cas d'accidents hors pistes (il y a des accidents chaque annee).
Sur ces trois stations, je ne suis jamais alle a Myoko, mais j'ai de bons souvenirs de Nozawa Onsen et Hakuba (Hakuba a en fait plusieurs stations, pas necessairement connectees entre elles, je te conseillerais de viser plutot Happo-one, la plus grande). Sinon, dans le meme coin tu as Shiga-Kogen, un gigantesque domaine skiable composee de plusieurs stations, un peu comme Hakuba, mais la les stations sont reliees entre elles et le resultat est l'un des plus vastes domaines au monde. Il y a une vingtaine de stations et environ 80 pistes et il y a de quoi s'amuser et explorer. Ca prend globalement une journee si tu veux skier d'un bout a l'autre (en visant deliberement l'aller retour dans la journee... sinon c'est quasi impossible a faire et tu peux te retrouver facilement a plusieurs km de ton hotel le soir... heureusement il y a des bus tres reguliers qui circulent en bas). Par contre, les connexions entre les stations y sont un peu plates, en ski ca va, en board ca peut etre moins drole. Mais bon au moins elles sont connectees.
Toutes les epreuves de ski alpin de Nagano etait soit a Happo-One, soit a Shiga-Kogen. La descente et le super G et le combine etaient a Happo-One, les slaloms et slaloms geants a Shiga-Kogen.
Oui, aucun probleme. Au pire absolu, si tu as un hotel vraiment cheap, tu auras une navette pour t'amener en bas des pistes en quelques minutes. La plupart des hotels et ryokans sont soit directement sur les pistes, soit a quelques minutes a pied. Tout est prevu pour le ski sur ces differentes stations. 4 jours sur chaque station... tu connaitras par coeur ;). Sur le hors piste, documente toi un peu. A Nozawa Onsen, il y a des coins "hors piste" au sens de "non surveilles, mais skiables" et des "hors pistes strictement interdits" et depuis un ou deux ans, les autorites font payer les frais de secours en cas d'accidents hors pistes (il y a des accidents chaque annee).
Sur ces trois stations, je ne suis jamais alle a Myoko, mais j'ai de bons souvenirs de Nozawa Onsen et Hakuba (Hakuba a en fait plusieurs stations, pas necessairement connectees entre elles, je te conseillerais de viser plutot Happo-one, la plus grande). Sinon, dans le meme coin tu as Shiga-Kogen, un gigantesque domaine skiable composee de plusieurs stations, un peu comme Hakuba, mais la les stations sont reliees entre elles et le resultat est l'un des plus vastes domaines au monde. Il y a une vingtaine de stations et environ 80 pistes et il y a de quoi s'amuser et explorer. Ca prend globalement une journee si tu veux skier d'un bout a l'autre (en visant deliberement l'aller retour dans la journee... sinon c'est quasi impossible a faire et tu peux te retrouver facilement a plusieurs km de ton hotel le soir... heureusement il y a des bus tres reguliers qui circulent en bas). Par contre, les connexions entre les stations y sont un peu plates, en ski ca va, en board ca peut etre moins drole. Mais bon au moins elles sont connectees.
Toutes les epreuves de ski alpin de Nagano etait soit a Happo-One, soit a Shiga-Kogen. La descente et le super G et le combine etaient a Happo-One, les slaloms et slaloms geants a Shiga-Kogen.
Bonjour,
bon plus je réfléchit et plus je me dit que vu mon programme, je pense qu'une voiture est intéressant car en effet je veut avoir on va plutôt dire 3 "camps de base" car je ne vai pas skier que sur 3 domaines, mais plutôt rayonner par secteur pour bien sur cherche du freeride ;)
En gros sur hakuba je voudrais visiter Happo One, et hakuba47&Goryu et dans une moindre mesure Tsugaike kogen
Sur Myoko Osen, Myoko Akakura, madarao kogen et seki onsen
Sur nozawa onsen, nozawa et shiga kogen
Mais aussi visiter Nagano... et je suis pas sur que tous les transfert ne soit pas galère avec les bagages et housses de skis et ensuite pour rallier chaque station depuis chaque villes?!
Je reviens du Japon ou j ai fait un séjour d`un mois et jamais je n'aurais conduit au Japon la conduite est a gauche et il n'est pas évident de reconnaitre les noms de rues écrit en Japonais, le train est abordable et une magnifique façon de voyager.
A Tokyo la façon de se déplacer est le métro facile a maitriser il y'a Wi-Fi et une application pour le métro donc facile de s'y retrouver
Denis
si tu veux rayonner comme ça en effet la voiture va être plus pratique. N'oublie pas de louer des chaines. Il y a toujours des gps dans les voitures au Japon, demande a ton hotel de t aider a le programmer si tu ne parles pas japonais.
Une seule remarque si tu veux etre tôt pour la bonne poudreuse, prévoit de loger a shiga kogen, ce n'est pas a 5 minutes de Nozawa.
Pour voir plus d'infos, de photos et de bons plans direction mon blog. http://voyagista.fr/
Merci des conseils.
Je vais opter pour les pneus neiges, plus pratique ;)
j'habite en montagne en France donc j'ai l'habitude de la conduite sur neige, de plus la conduite à gauche ne me fait pas peur, j'ai déjà conduit trois semaines en NZ, faut un petit laps de temps d'adaptation, mais on s'y fait (très) vite!
Pour le gps j'ai trouvé une boite ou on peut louer en francais, ou il propose de s'occuper de la traduction du permit et ou il loue des gps en anglais, sans faire de pub http://www.vivrelejapon.com/voyage-japon/location-voiture-japon
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D'habitude, je suis plutot pour encourager a prendre la voiture pour decouvrir le "hors piste" du Japon, mais dans ton cas ca me semble de l'overkill voire meme un peu de gaspillage pour du ski. Si tu etais a Nagano et que tu rayonnais tous les jours depuis Nagano, oui la voiture aurait un merite certain. La, tu vas prendre la voiture et ne l'utiliser que pour aller d'un domaine a un autre. Une fois a ton hebergement dans une des stations, il n'y a pas vraiment d'interet a prendre la voiture, elle restera garee la pour 3 ou 4 jours. Tous les hebergements sont au pied des pistes ou tres facilement accessibles a pied ou en quelques minutes de shuttle et ne sont pas dans de vraies "villes". La seule exception est je pense Nozawa-Onsen, un petit village, sympathique au demeurant (qui doit pouvoir se traverser en 30 minutes a pied). Happo-One a Hakuba goryu/Hakuba 47, c'est 10 mins de shuttle. Nozawa Onsen et Shigakogen ne sont pas dans le meme coin. Il y a en effet une route qui relie les deux, mais elle est fermee en hiver, il faut la aussi repasser par la vallee de Nagano.
Bref, pour rejoindre chacune des stations de ton plan, tu serais oblige de repasser par la vallee de Nagano (certes sans entrer au centre ville).
Les bus de transferts en hiver entre les stations et Nagano sont faits pour les skieurs, tu n'as pas vraiment a t'inquieter.
Apres, avoir une voiture pour decouvrir les environs, hors des stations de ski, oui ca peut etre interessant. Peut etre tu pourrais envisager de ne louer la voiture (depuis Nagano ! pas depuis Tokyo....) que quelques jours ou tu ne skierais pas. Nagano est une ville dans un beau cadre, mais en elle meme c'est une ville de taille moyenne (pour le Japon) avec un temple connu, Zenkoji, mais hormis ca ce n'est pas un grand centre touristique. Autour de Nagano, tu aurais Jigokudani (l'onsen avec les singes), en fait sur le trajet de Shigakogen. Matsumoto et son superbe chateau son aussi dans le coin. Takayama ca commence a faire loin, mais pourquoi pas si tu changes d'hebergement.
Au passage, si tu recherches de la poudreuse et du hors piste, as tu regarde du cote de Hokkaido (Niseko), beaucoup plus "hors piste friendly" et poudreux que les environs de Nagano ? vu que tu viens probablement de l'etranger, c'est juste un vol vers Sapporo au lieu de Tokyo a prendre.
D'habitude, je suis plutot pour encourager a prendre la voiture pour decouvrir le "hors piste" du Japon, mais dans ton cas ca me semble de l'overkill voire meme un peu de gaspillage pour du ski. Si tu etais a Nagano et que tu rayonnais tous les jours depuis Nagano, oui la voiture aurait un merite certain. La, tu vas prendre la voiture et ne l'utiliser que pour aller d'un domaine a un autre. Une fois a ton hebergement dans une des stations, il n'y a pas vraiment d'interet a prendre la voiture, elle restera garee la pour 3 ou 4 jours. Tous les hebergements sont au pied des pistes ou tres facilement accessibles a pied ou en quelques minutes de shuttle et ne sont pas dans de vraies "villes". La seule exception est je pense Nozawa-Onsen, un petit village, sympathique au demeurant (qui doit pouvoir se traverser en 30 minutes a pied). Happo-One a Hakuba goryu/Hakuba 47, c'est 10 mins de shuttle. Nozawa Onsen et Shigakogen ne sont pas dans le meme coin. Il y a en effet une route qui relie les deux, mais elle est fermee en hiver, il faut la aussi repasser par la vallee de Nagano.
Bref, pour rejoindre chacune des stations de ton plan, tu serais oblige de repasser par la vallee de Nagano (certes sans entrer au centre ville).
Les bus de transferts en hiver entre les stations et Nagano sont faits pour les skieurs, tu n'as pas vraiment a t'inquieter.
Apres, avoir une voiture pour decouvrir les environs, hors des stations de ski, oui ca peut etre interessant. Peut etre tu pourrais envisager de ne louer la voiture (depuis Nagano ! pas depuis Tokyo....) que quelques jours ou tu ne skierais pas. Nagano est une ville dans un beau cadre, mais en elle meme c'est une ville de taille moyenne (pour le Japon) avec un temple connu, Zenkoji, mais hormis ca ce n'est pas un grand centre touristique. Autour de Nagano, tu aurais Jigokudani (l'onsen avec les singes), en fait sur le trajet de Shigakogen. Matsumoto et son superbe chateau son aussi dans le coin. Takayama ca commence a faire loin, mais pourquoi pas si tu changes d'hebergement.
Au passage, si tu recherches de la poudreuse et du hors piste, as tu regarde du cote de Hokkaido (Niseko), beaucoup plus "hors piste friendly" et poudreux que les environs de Nagano ? vu que tu viens probablement de l'etranger, c'est juste un vol vers Sapporo au lieu de Tokyo a prendre.
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Tokyo: 8 nights, with day trips to Nikko and maybe the Izu Peninsula Kawaguchiko (Lake Kawaguchi/Mt. Fuji): 1 night. The place looks stunning, but I’m worried Mt. Fuji might not be visible due to the weather Kyoto: 6–7 nights (including a trip to Nara) Osaka: 1–2 nights, where I’d like to drop off my things to make the Kumano Kodo easier Kumano Kodo: 3 nights—an experience I haven’t seen much elsewhere, but I thought it sounded really interesting Hiroshima: 2 nights Miyajima: 1 night Takayama: 3 days Kanazawa: 3 days (From what I understand, the Osaka–Takayama–Kanazawa–Tokyo route is convenient for transport) Tokyo: 1 night (return)
**Option 2: More varied but a bit vague in parts**
Tokyo: 8 nights Kyoto: 7 nights (+ Nara) Osaka: 2 nights Kobe + Himeji: just passing through—I’m not sure if it’s worth a night Naoshima: 1 night—still pretty unclear for me Takamatsu: 2 nights. An interesting city, but I’m not sure how long to stay Shimanami Kaido: biking from Imabari to Onomichi, then heading to Hiroshima Hiroshima: 2 nights Miyajima: 1 night Kyushu road trip (Aso + onsens + Fukuoka): 5 nights (also pretty vague—I could fly from Fukuoka back to Tokyo) Tokyo: 1 night
**Option 3: More balanced/simplified**
Tokyo: 8 nights Kawaguchiko: 1 night Kyoto: 7 nights (+ Nara) Osaka: 2 nights Koya-san: 1 night Kumano Kodo: 3 nights Takayama: 3 nights Kanazawa: 3 nights Tokyo: 1 night
A few key points: I haven’t made any reservations yet, except for the flight tickets. I know my plans are too packed and will need to be adjusted. I’m specifically looking for advice on which stops to cut or shorten.
Here are the routes I’m considering:
**Option 1: More mountain and nature-focused**
Tokyo: 8 nights, with day trips to Nikko and maybe the Izu Peninsula Kawaguchiko (Lake Kawaguchi/Mt. Fuji): 1 night. The place looks stunning, but I’m worried Mt. Fuji might not be visible due to the weather Kyoto: 6–7 nights (including a trip to Nara) Osaka: 1–2 nights, where I’d like to drop off my things to make the Kumano Kodo easier Kumano Kodo: 3 nights—an experience I haven’t seen much elsewhere, but I thought it sounded really interesting Hiroshima: 2 nights Miyajima: 1 night Takayama: 3 days Kanazawa: 3 days (From what I understand, the Osaka–Takayama–Kanazawa–Tokyo route is convenient for transport) Tokyo: 1 night (return)
**Option 2: More varied but a bit vague in parts**
Tokyo: 8 nights Kyoto: 7 nights (+ Nara) Osaka: 2 nights Kobe + Himeji: just passing through—I’m not sure if it’s worth a night Naoshima: 1 night—still pretty unclear for me Takamatsu: 2 nights. An interesting city, but I’m not sure how long to stay Shimanami Kaido: biking from Imabari to Onomichi, then heading to Hiroshima Hiroshima: 2 nights Miyajima: 1 night Kyushu road trip (Aso + onsens + Fukuoka): 5 nights (also pretty vague—I could fly from Fukuoka back to Tokyo) Tokyo: 1 night
**Option 3: More balanced/simplified**
Tokyo: 8 nights Kawaguchiko: 1 night Kyoto: 7 nights (+ Nara) Osaka: 2 nights Koya-san: 1 night Kumano Kodo: 3 nights Takayama: 3 nights Kanazawa: 3 nights Tokyo: 1 night
A few key points: I haven’t made any reservations yet, except for the flight tickets. I know my plans are too packed and will need to be adjusted. I’m specifically looking for advice on which stops to cut or shorten.
Hello everyone,
Like Cedric13600, I’ve booked a flight ticket for 30 days / 29 nights in September 2026, from Beijing to Shanghai. We’re a couple in our sixties who love independent road trips.
I’d like to draw inspiration from the following private itinerary suggested by a travel agency:
Day 1: Arrival in Beijing Day 2 to 4: Beijing Day 5: Datong Day 6 & 7: Pingyao Day 8 to 10: Xi'an Day 11: Luoyang Day 12: Dengfeng flight Day 13 & 14: Chongqing flight Day 15 & 16: Lijiang Day 17: Dali Day 18: Kunming Day 19: Jianshui Day 20 & 21: Yuanyang Day 22: Travel via Guilin Day 23 & 24: Yangshuo Day 25: Guilin Day 26 & 27: Zhangjiajie flight Day 28 & 29: Shanghai Day 30: Departure from Shanghai
But to do this itinerary independently: 1. This schedule seems very ambitious to me—what do you think? 2. If it’s too packed, what would you remove as a priority? Thanks so much in advance for your help.
Day 1: Arrival in Beijing Day 2 to 4: Beijing Day 5: Datong Day 6 & 7: Pingyao Day 8 to 10: Xi'an Day 11: Luoyang Day 12: Dengfeng flight Day 13 & 14: Chongqing flight Day 15 & 16: Lijiang Day 17: Dali Day 18: Kunming Day 19: Jianshui Day 20 & 21: Yuanyang Day 22: Travel via Guilin Day 23 & 24: Yangshuo Day 25: Guilin Day 26 & 27: Zhangjiajie flight Day 28 & 29: Shanghai Day 30: Departure from Shanghai
But to do this itinerary independently: 1. This schedule seems very ambitious to me—what do you think? 2. If it’s too packed, what would you remove as a priority? Thanks so much in advance for your help.
Hello everyone,
I’m planning a 5-week trip between Yunnan and Sichuan from mid-October to the end of November 2026: Arriving in Kunming, I’ll do a loop in the far south of Yunnan via Thonghai, Jhiansu, Zhemi, Yuanyang, Nafa, Jinping, Mengzi, and Shilin (visiting markets, villages, and hiking), then head to northern Yunnan/southern Sichuan on the same theme (passing through Kunming again) via Dongchuan, Huize, Qiaojia, Puge, Xichang, Lanba, Butuo, Huolie, Dimo, Riha, Niuniuba, Meigu, Mabian, and Leshan, before arriving in Chengdu (where I’ll take my return flight to Paris). This would be a trip with a strong ethnic/rural focus. Since I’ve never traveled in China, I’d love to hear your thoughts on doing this solo. Are there public transport options in the region? What tips do you have for traveling through this area as smoothly and enjoyably as possible? I’ve done quite a bit of backpacking in the mountains of northern Vietnam and really enjoyed using local motorbike drivers. Is something like that available in this region (through local tourist agencies or hotels)?
What should I be cautious about? Are local tourist agencies (or hotels) offering tours and guides reliable? If you know of any specialized sites sharing tips or experiences, or names of local agencies, hotels, etc., please don’t hesitate to share them! :)
In short, all your advice (on any topic that comes to mind!) is very welcome. Thanks so much!
I’m planning a 5-week trip between Yunnan and Sichuan from mid-October to the end of November 2026: Arriving in Kunming, I’ll do a loop in the far south of Yunnan via Thonghai, Jhiansu, Zhemi, Yuanyang, Nafa, Jinping, Mengzi, and Shilin (visiting markets, villages, and hiking), then head to northern Yunnan/southern Sichuan on the same theme (passing through Kunming again) via Dongchuan, Huize, Qiaojia, Puge, Xichang, Lanba, Butuo, Huolie, Dimo, Riha, Niuniuba, Meigu, Mabian, and Leshan, before arriving in Chengdu (where I’ll take my return flight to Paris). This would be a trip with a strong ethnic/rural focus. Since I’ve never traveled in China, I’d love to hear your thoughts on doing this solo. Are there public transport options in the region? What tips do you have for traveling through this area as smoothly and enjoyably as possible? I’ve done quite a bit of backpacking in the mountains of northern Vietnam and really enjoyed using local motorbike drivers. Is something like that available in this region (through local tourist agencies or hotels)?
What should I be cautious about? Are local tourist agencies (or hotels) offering tours and guides reliable? If you know of any specialized sites sharing tips or experiences, or names of local agencies, hotels, etc., please don’t hesitate to share them! :)
In short, all your advice (on any topic that comes to mind!) is very welcome. Thanks so much!
Hi,
While researching South Korea, I came across the term "templestay," which refers to a Korean program that lets you stay in a traditional temple to discover Buddhism and Korean culture by living like the temple residents and doing activities like making lanterns. A templestay isn’t just for foreign tourists—on the booking site, I saw that some temples are more geared toward foreigners, with English-speaking monks.
I was wondering if it’s still worth it, especially in temples where the monks don’t speak English?
While researching South Korea, I came across the term "templestay," which refers to a Korean program that lets you stay in a traditional temple to discover Buddhism and Korean culture by living like the temple residents and doing activities like making lanterns. A templestay isn’t just for foreign tourists—on the booking site, I saw that some temples are more geared toward foreigners, with English-speaking monks.
I was wondering if it’s still worth it, especially in temples where the monks don’t speak English?
I'm 69 years old and heading to China, where most tourist sites are free or discounted for me. However, trip.com either refuses to let me book because the sites are free or doesn’t apply the discount. Does WeChat apply this discount if I book through them? How can I just reserve without paying and pay on-site? Is that possible?
How do I upload my passport to WeChat?
Thanks for your tips. Elisabeth
How do I upload my passport to WeChat?
Thanks for your tips. Elisabeth
Hi there,
I’d love to get some feedback on our 30-day / 29-night itinerary in China. We’ll be there in September as a family with two kids (6 and 10 years old). Do you think I should cut a few nights between Wulingyuan (Avatar Mountain) and Yangshuo? I’ve planned 15 nights total there. We’ll be on a round-the-world trip starting May 2026 and will need to do schoolwork with the kids. Hoping to fit it in during train rides!! Ever since I started planning this China itinerary, I’ve been discovering completely mind-blowing places I’d never heard of before—30 days feels way too short for China!!!
Here’s our itinerary:
Beijing - 4 nights Forbidden City Great Wall of China Temple of Heaven
Xi’an - 3 nights Terracotta Army Muslim Quarter & Great Mosque
Chengdu - 3 nights Zoo - Research Base of Giant Panda Breeding Wenshu Yuan Temple
Wulingyuan (Avatar Mountain) - 3 nights "Avatar Mountains"
Zhangjiajie - 2 nights Tianmen Mountain
Furong Town - 2 nights
Fenghuang - 2 nights
Guilin - 2 nights Chuanshan Park Guilin Yaoshan Scenic Attraction Reed Flute Cave
Yangshuo - 4 nights Biking along the Yulong River Moon Hill Ruyi Peak Xianggong Hill
Shanghai - 4 nights Shanghai Disneyland Yu Garden / Yuyuan Garden Yuyuan Bazaar
Thanks! Cédric
I’d love to get some feedback on our 30-day / 29-night itinerary in China. We’ll be there in September as a family with two kids (6 and 10 years old). Do you think I should cut a few nights between Wulingyuan (Avatar Mountain) and Yangshuo? I’ve planned 15 nights total there. We’ll be on a round-the-world trip starting May 2026 and will need to do schoolwork with the kids. Hoping to fit it in during train rides!! Ever since I started planning this China itinerary, I’ve been discovering completely mind-blowing places I’d never heard of before—30 days feels way too short for China!!!
Here’s our itinerary:
Beijing - 4 nights Forbidden City Great Wall of China Temple of Heaven
Xi’an - 3 nights Terracotta Army Muslim Quarter & Great Mosque
Chengdu - 3 nights Zoo - Research Base of Giant Panda Breeding Wenshu Yuan Temple
Wulingyuan (Avatar Mountain) - 3 nights "Avatar Mountains"
Zhangjiajie - 2 nights Tianmen Mountain
Furong Town - 2 nights
Fenghuang - 2 nights
Guilin - 2 nights Chuanshan Park Guilin Yaoshan Scenic Attraction Reed Flute Cave
Yangshuo - 4 nights Biking along the Yulong River Moon Hill Ruyi Peak Xianggong Hill
Shanghai - 4 nights Shanghai Disneyland Yu Garden / Yuyuan Garden Yuyuan Bazaar
Thanks! Cédric
Hi there,
We just got back from a 2-week trip to China as a couple, and before we left, the budget was the hardest thing to picture concretely. We found plenty of info on visas, apps, transport, and itineraries, but way fewer detailed breakdowns of what you *actually* spend on the ground.
So, we took the time to share our real budget for 14 days. In our case, we spent around 1,800 € per person, with a big chunk of that going toward round-trip flights at about 600 € per person. We were also pretty surprised by how affordable China can be once you’re there—transport is often cheap, and a lot of everyday expenses stay reasonable.
The trickiest part, in the end, was figuring out how to pay while you’re there, since it’s not always obvious if you’re not prepared. But once everything’s set up and you get the hang of it, it’s really smooth.
If this can help other travelers get a better idea before they go, we’ve broken it all down here:
https://aventures-sans-mesaventure.com/budget-2-semaines-de-voyage-en-chine/
Happy travels and enjoy your adventure! Hélia
Happy travels and enjoy your adventure! Hélia
Hi everyone,
I’ve been planning several itineraries for a trip to Japan with my wife but would love your insights before we start booking!
In short, we want to go during Golden Week, see late-blooming cherry trees, and have the freedom to get around with a rental car.
Here’s the plan:
18-day itinerary in Japan (April 25 → May 12)
Goal: freedom, late cherry blossoms, culture & nature
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Days 1–3: Tokyo (April 25–27) Arrival and adjustment (no car needed yet). Neighborhoods to visit: Shinjuku, Asakusa, Meiji Jingu, Shibuya, Odaiba. Suggested activities: Ghibli Museum, Sumida River cruise, izakaya meals. Late cherry blossoms (yaezakura) possible at Shinjuku Gyoen. Pick up the rental car on the morning of April 27.
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Days 4–5: Mount Fuji & Hakone (April 27–28) Route: Tokyo → Kawaguchiko/Hakone (~2 h).
Activities: Lake Kawaguchi, Chureito Pagoda (Fuji views + late cherry blossoms) Onsen baths, Hakone Open-Air Museum. Stay: ryokan with onsen and views of Mount Fuji.
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Days 6–7: Takayama & Shirakawa-go (April 29–30) Route: Hakone → Takayama (~4 h).
Activities: Preserved old town, sake breweries, UNESCO village of Shirakawa-go. Stay: traditional minshuku (thatched-roof house). Cherry blossoms are finishing at this altitude — beautiful mountain/nature contrasts. ---
Days 8–10: Kyoto & Nara (May 1–3) Route: Takayama → Kyoto (~4 h 30).
Activities in Kyoto: Fushimi Inari (red torii gates), Golden Pavilion, Arashiyama, Gion (geisha district).
Day trip to Nara: Free-roaming deer in Nara Park, Todai-ji Temple, Kasuga Taisha Shrine. Stay: Kyoto (3 nights).
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Day 11: Osaka or Himeji (May 4) Route: Kyoto → Osaka (~1 h) or Himeji (~1 h 30).
Option 1: Osaka → modern vibe, street food, castle. Option 2: Himeji → stunning UNESCO-listed castle. Stay: Osaka.
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Days 12–13: Kanazawa (May 5–6) Route: Osaka → Kanazawa (~4 h 30).
Activities: Kenroku-en Garden (gorgeous in spring), Omicho Market, samurai district. Stay: Kanazawa.
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Days 14–15: Northern Japan – Aomori / Hirosaki (May 7–8) Route: Kanazawa → Aomori (~7 h, possible to break via Sendai).
Activities: Hirosaki Castle Park (peak bloom early May). Northern onsen (e.g., Sukayu). Stay: Hirosaki or Aomori.
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Days 16–17: Nikko (May 9–10) Route: Aomori → Nikko (~6 h).
Activities: Toshogu Shrine, Kegon Falls, Lake Chuzenji. Stay: Nikko.
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Day 18: Return to Tokyo & Relax in Kamakura (May 11–12) Route: Nikko → Kamakura (~3 h) → Tokyo (~1 h).
Activities: Great Buddha, Zen temples, seaside at Enoshima. Final night: Tokyo before the return flight.
Thanks in advance for your feedback!
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Days 1–3: Tokyo (April 25–27) Arrival and adjustment (no car needed yet). Neighborhoods to visit: Shinjuku, Asakusa, Meiji Jingu, Shibuya, Odaiba. Suggested activities: Ghibli Museum, Sumida River cruise, izakaya meals. Late cherry blossoms (yaezakura) possible at Shinjuku Gyoen. Pick up the rental car on the morning of April 27.
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Days 4–5: Mount Fuji & Hakone (April 27–28) Route: Tokyo → Kawaguchiko/Hakone (~2 h).
Activities: Lake Kawaguchi, Chureito Pagoda (Fuji views + late cherry blossoms) Onsen baths, Hakone Open-Air Museum. Stay: ryokan with onsen and views of Mount Fuji.
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Days 6–7: Takayama & Shirakawa-go (April 29–30) Route: Hakone → Takayama (~4 h).
Activities: Preserved old town, sake breweries, UNESCO village of Shirakawa-go. Stay: traditional minshuku (thatched-roof house). Cherry blossoms are finishing at this altitude — beautiful mountain/nature contrasts. ---
Days 8–10: Kyoto & Nara (May 1–3) Route: Takayama → Kyoto (~4 h 30).
Activities in Kyoto: Fushimi Inari (red torii gates), Golden Pavilion, Arashiyama, Gion (geisha district).
Day trip to Nara: Free-roaming deer in Nara Park, Todai-ji Temple, Kasuga Taisha Shrine. Stay: Kyoto (3 nights).
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Day 11: Osaka or Himeji (May 4) Route: Kyoto → Osaka (~1 h) or Himeji (~1 h 30).
Option 1: Osaka → modern vibe, street food, castle. Option 2: Himeji → stunning UNESCO-listed castle. Stay: Osaka.
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Days 12–13: Kanazawa (May 5–6) Route: Osaka → Kanazawa (~4 h 30).
Activities: Kenroku-en Garden (gorgeous in spring), Omicho Market, samurai district. Stay: Kanazawa.
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Days 14–15: Northern Japan – Aomori / Hirosaki (May 7–8) Route: Kanazawa → Aomori (~7 h, possible to break via Sendai).
Activities: Hirosaki Castle Park (peak bloom early May). Northern onsen (e.g., Sukayu). Stay: Hirosaki or Aomori.
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Days 16–17: Nikko (May 9–10) Route: Aomori → Nikko (~6 h).
Activities: Toshogu Shrine, Kegon Falls, Lake Chuzenji. Stay: Nikko.
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Day 18: Return to Tokyo & Relax in Kamakura (May 11–12) Route: Nikko → Kamakura (~3 h) → Tokyo (~1 h).
Activities: Great Buddha, Zen temples, seaside at Enoshima. Final night: Tokyo before the return flight.
Thanks in advance for your feedback!
hi! Is it easy to use for paying for all the small purchases at the markets? INSTALLATION AND USE WITHOUT ISSUES—do you also need a VPN for China?
Secondly, for using phone and internet, I have Orange—is it reliable, or should I go with Airalo instead?
Hi there,
The info I found on the forum is a bit outdated, so I’m asking again!
1) What budget should I plan for 15 days, given that hotels with breakfast, transfers, and transport are already paid for? I know it depends on the person, but I’d love a rough idea. For meals, we’re thinking simple street food or small local restaurants.
2) I’ve heard that credit cards (we each have a Revolut + 1 Visa Premier) aren’t widely used and that it’s better to have cash. Can you confirm?
3) Are foreign credit cards still not accepted at bank ATMs? Still 7-Eleven or the Post Office? And what about American Express?
Thanks in advance, Best regards
The info I found on the forum is a bit outdated, so I’m asking again!
1) What budget should I plan for 15 days, given that hotels with breakfast, transfers, and transport are already paid for? I know it depends on the person, but I’d love a rough idea. For meals, we’re thinking simple street food or small local restaurants.
2) I’ve heard that credit cards (we each have a Revolut + 1 Visa Premier) aren’t widely used and that it’s better to have cash. Can you confirm?
3) Are foreign credit cards still not accepted at bank ATMs? Still 7-Eleven or the Post Office? And what about American Express?
Thanks in advance, Best regards
I'm planning a 19-day itinerary in Japan this summer.
For a first trip, Kyoto seems like a must. For the rest, I'm torn between:
- Matsumoto, Takayama, Kanazawa for 5 to 6 days
- Kyoto 4 days
- Nara 2 days
- Koyasan 1 day
- Hakone/Mount Fuji 2 to 3 days
- Tokyo 3 days
Or dedicating the first 6 days to Kyushu.
Maybe there’s less traditional Japan in Kyushu compared to the Japanese Alps? Maybe Kyushu is less crowded? Thanks for your thoughts!
Or dedicating the first 6 days to Kyushu.
Maybe there’s less traditional Japan in Kyushu compared to the Japanese Alps? Maybe Kyushu is less crowded? Thanks for your thoughts!
Hi there!
I’ll be in Hong Kong from December 31 to January 3, 2027.
Any recommendations for things to see or do?
I’ll be staying in the Kowloon district.
I’d love to visit Lantau Island—what’s the best way to get there? And would you recommend buying a skip-the-line ticket for the cable car? Also, is there an entry fee for the Big Buddha?
I’ll be in Hong Kong from December 31 to January 3, 2027.
Any recommendations for things to see or do?
I’ll be staying in the Kowloon district.
I’d love to visit Lantau Island—what’s the best way to get there? And would you recommend buying a skip-the-line ticket for the cable car? Also, is there an entry fee for the Big Buddha?
Hi everyone who’s reading this!
I’m heading to Taiwan soon and would love some up-to-date info on Wi-Fi. From what I’ve gathered, Taiwan offers it for free, but I’ve heard it’s not secure since it’s not protected by a "password." Since I’ve been traveling outside the EU for years without a local SIM card, I only use Wi-Fi in hotels, restaurants, and cafés. For me, that’s more than enough. So, my question is: Do these places secure their Wi-Fi with a "password"? If not, does buying a SIM card or eSIM seem like the only alternative?
Also, if any of you have recommendations for budget-friendly hotels in the main "cities," I’d love to hear them!
Thanks in advance for your replies! !
I’m heading to Taiwan soon and would love some up-to-date info on Wi-Fi. From what I’ve gathered, Taiwan offers it for free, but I’ve heard it’s not secure since it’s not protected by a "password." Since I’ve been traveling outside the EU for years without a local SIM card, I only use Wi-Fi in hotels, restaurants, and cafés. For me, that’s more than enough. So, my question is: Do these places secure their Wi-Fi with a "password"? If not, does buying a SIM card or eSIM seem like the only alternative?
Also, if any of you have recommendations for budget-friendly hotels in the main "cities," I’d love to hear them!
Thanks in advance for your replies! !
Hi there,
We’re planning a trip to China for two at the beginning of April and want to spend 2 nights in the Longji Rice Terraces—either in Dazhai, Tiantouzhaï, or Ping'an. I’ve seen that most of the hotels are made of bamboo, and you can hear every little noise. Since my husband is a very light sleeper, he’d really like to be sure he’ll get a good night’s rest. Can you recommend any quiet, well-soundproofed hotels in the area?
Thanks in advance! !
We’re planning a trip to China for two at the beginning of April and want to spend 2 nights in the Longji Rice Terraces—either in Dazhai, Tiantouzhaï, or Ping'an. I’ve seen that most of the hotels are made of bamboo, and you can hear every little noise. Since my husband is a very light sleeper, he’d really like to be sure he’ll get a good night’s rest. Can you recommend any quiet, well-soundproofed hotels in the area?
Thanks in advance! !
Hello everyone,
I’m reaching out to you because I’m planning our next big trip (Japan is really tempting us for the autumn!) and I have to admit, I’m feeling a bit overwhelmed.
My husband and I have always loved traveling, and at 75, we have no intention of stopping... But I find that everything’s getting so complicated. I try to be "modern" by booking online, but as soon as there’s a problem, we hit a wall.
A friend nearly missed her departure last year because of a visa issue that wasn’t explained properly on a website... and no one to call for help, just automated messages.
It makes me a little nervous to be alone in front of a screen so far away, especially since at our age, we like knowing there’s real support if our health takes a turn while we’re there.
Anyway, I’m tired of seeing my file passed from one person to another without ever having the same contact... Do you know of any small, trustworthy agencies or people who still work the "old-fashioned" way and really look after their clients? I love my independence, but I need a real face behind my project.
Thanks in advance for your advice, and I look forward to reading your replies, Catherine
I’m reaching out to you because I’m planning our next big trip (Japan is really tempting us for the autumn!) and I have to admit, I’m feeling a bit overwhelmed.
My husband and I have always loved traveling, and at 75, we have no intention of stopping... But I find that everything’s getting so complicated. I try to be "modern" by booking online, but as soon as there’s a problem, we hit a wall.
A friend nearly missed her departure last year because of a visa issue that wasn’t explained properly on a website... and no one to call for help, just automated messages.
It makes me a little nervous to be alone in front of a screen so far away, especially since at our age, we like knowing there’s real support if our health takes a turn while we’re there.
Anyway, I’m tired of seeing my file passed from one person to another without ever having the same contact... Do you know of any small, trustworthy agencies or people who still work the "old-fashioned" way and really look after their clients? I love my independence, but I need a real face behind my project.
Thanks in advance for your advice, and I look forward to reading your replies, Catherine
Hi everyone,
I’m planning our trip to Japan from March 21 to April 11, 2026. We’re planning to travel by plane for long distances (Okinawa) and by train for the rest. I’d like to know if renting a car is easy and, most importantly, if driving with road signs written in Japanese isn’t too complicated. For trains, are there any tips to save money?
Thanks for your advice!
I’m planning our trip to Japan from March 21 to April 11, 2026. We’re planning to travel by plane for long distances (Okinawa) and by train for the rest. I’d like to know if renting a car is easy and, most importantly, if driving with road signs written in Japanese isn’t too complicated. For trains, are there any tips to save money?
Thanks for your advice!
hi everyone, and first of all, I wish you all a happy new year and good health!
This coming October or November, we’re planning our first trip to Japan. The only downside is we’ll only have two weeks off.
For this first visit, I’m thinking of sticking to the Kyoto and Osaka area… saving Tokyo for another trip. Do you think that’s a good choice for a first-time visit?
I’ve put together a little itinerary below to get some feedback from those in the know. I’m only counting the days we’re actually there, not travel days.
Day 1: Kyoto Ginkaku-ji – Philosopher’s Path with stops at a few shrines temples Eikan-dō and Nanzen-ji visit to the Samurai Ninja Museum in the late afternoon
Day 2: Kyoto Fushimi Inari (allow 4 hours for the hike through the park) visit to Sanjūsangen-dō temple Shōseien garden participate in a tea ceremony
Day 3: Kyoto Kiyomizu-dera temple stroll through the historic district up to Kennin-ji temple visit Kennin-ji temple Yasaka-jinja shrine and Gion district in the late afternoon return to the hotel via Pontochō Street
Day 4: Kyoto visit Kinkaku-ji and Nijō Castle visit the Imperial Palace gardens end the day in the shopping streets (Shibkyogoku and Teramachi, among others)
Day 5: Kyoto Arashiyama area Togetsukyo Bridge, walk along the river, visit the Bamboo Forest explore the area up to Otagi Nenbutsu-ji temple
Day 6: Kyoto hike from Kibune to Kurama
Day 7: Kyoto day trip to Nara (full day)
Day 8: stroll around Kyoto before heading to Osaka
Day 9: Osaka Katsuo-ji temple, then head to Minoh Falls and hike back via the Minoh Trail end the day in the Osaka Castle area
Day 10: Osaka Himeji Castle and an afternoon in Osaka
Day 11: Osaka Osaka and return to the airport in the late afternoon for the flight home
Do you think this itinerary is doable? Are some days too relaxed or too packed? I was thinking of adding a trip to Lake Biwa and Uji, but in that case, I’d have to cut some things. Are those places worth dropping some of the planned spots? And if so, which ones would you recommend cutting or shortening?
Thanks in advance—I’m all ears for both positive and negative feedback! stephane
This coming October or November, we’re planning our first trip to Japan. The only downside is we’ll only have two weeks off.
For this first visit, I’m thinking of sticking to the Kyoto and Osaka area… saving Tokyo for another trip. Do you think that’s a good choice for a first-time visit?
I’ve put together a little itinerary below to get some feedback from those in the know. I’m only counting the days we’re actually there, not travel days.
Day 1: Kyoto Ginkaku-ji – Philosopher’s Path with stops at a few shrines temples Eikan-dō and Nanzen-ji visit to the Samurai Ninja Museum in the late afternoon
Day 2: Kyoto Fushimi Inari (allow 4 hours for the hike through the park) visit to Sanjūsangen-dō temple Shōseien garden participate in a tea ceremony
Day 3: Kyoto Kiyomizu-dera temple stroll through the historic district up to Kennin-ji temple visit Kennin-ji temple Yasaka-jinja shrine and Gion district in the late afternoon return to the hotel via Pontochō Street
Day 4: Kyoto visit Kinkaku-ji and Nijō Castle visit the Imperial Palace gardens end the day in the shopping streets (Shibkyogoku and Teramachi, among others)
Day 5: Kyoto Arashiyama area Togetsukyo Bridge, walk along the river, visit the Bamboo Forest explore the area up to Otagi Nenbutsu-ji temple
Day 6: Kyoto hike from Kibune to Kurama
Day 7: Kyoto day trip to Nara (full day)
Day 8: stroll around Kyoto before heading to Osaka
Day 9: Osaka Katsuo-ji temple, then head to Minoh Falls and hike back via the Minoh Trail end the day in the Osaka Castle area
Day 10: Osaka Himeji Castle and an afternoon in Osaka
Day 11: Osaka Osaka and return to the airport in the late afternoon for the flight home
Do you think this itinerary is doable? Are some days too relaxed or too packed? I was thinking of adding a trip to Lake Biwa and Uji, but in that case, I’d have to cut some things. Are those places worth dropping some of the planned spots? And if so, which ones would you recommend cutting or shortening?
Thanks in advance—I’m all ears for both positive and negative feedback! stephane
Hi there,
I’m planning a trip to Japan in April/May.
I’ll start my journey in Tokyo for 3 to 4 days.
I’d love your advice on accommodation, transportation, an itinerary, and whether a guide would be useful.
I’m traveling solo and could use a little reassurance.
Before I forget... how do payments work?
Thanks for your help, Petra
Thanks for your help, Petra
Hi there,
I’m looking for someone who could help me organize a trip to Japan for my niece and her son. I’ve seen that French-speaking guides are expensive, and the same goes for going through a tour operator.
Airline, local transportation, hotels, etc.
Thanks for your replies!
Betsyl