je n 'arrive pas à trouver ces informations avec les outils présent sur la toile si quelqu un peux avoir l information j en serai très heureux merci d 'avance🙂
Temps de trajet de Swakopmund à Twyfelfontein? (Namibie)
by Calonges
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
bonjour
je vais faire un voyage en namibie en autotour début juillet
j ai besoin d information sur le trajet en temps et km entre deux étapes
et aussi de savoir sur cette étape quel est le meilleur trajet possible
le véhicule que j ai loué n'est pas un 4x4
l"étape va de swakopmund à twyfelfontein
1-trajet-swakopmund-hentiesbaai- uis-khorixas-twyfelfontein
2-trajet-swakopmund-hentiesbaai--c35-à 67 km nord de uis à droite sur d 2612-twyfelfontein
3-trajet-swakopmund-hentiesbaai--cape cross-30 km au nord à droite sur la d2303-bradberg west mine-au nord vers doros-twyfelfontein
je n 'arrive pas à trouver ces informations avec les outils présent sur la toile si quelqu un peux avoir l information j en serai très heureux merci d 'avance🙂
je n 'arrive pas à trouver ces informations avec les outils présent sur la toile si quelqu un peux avoir l information j en serai très heureux merci d 'avance🙂
pluchon
A cette période, les pistes entre Swakopmund et Twyfelfontein sont très praticables en voiture normale. Compte une petite journée.
De mémoire, en 2006, j'avais fait le trajet N°2
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bonjour calonges
La solution 2 se fait largement dans la journée avec détour a cape cross et retour par hentiesbay pour rejoindre twyvelfontein pas besoin de 4x4
Par contre je ne connais pas 30 km au nord à droite sur la d2303-Brandberg West mine-au nord vers doros-twyfelfontein
Par contre je ne connais pas 30 km au nord à droite sur la d2303-Brandberg West mine-au nord vers doros-twyfelfontein
J & M
salut Calonges,
nous rentrons de Namibie et avons fait le trajet en deux étapes : la première de Twyfelfontein au Brandberg, par la D2612 et la C35 (env. 2 h 30), puis on a continué le lendemain du Brandberg a Swakopmund, par la C35 vers Hentiesbay puis C34 vers Swakop (également env. 2 h 30), en roulant bien. Nous étions juste après la saison des pluies, et ces routes étaient en bon état (ils les refont vite et bien), et très belles. Ca dépend aussi de la suite de votre voyage, si vous montez au nord ou pas. La C39 au sud de Bergsig est magnifique (votre 3e option) Bon voyage
Matei ps. la 1ère image est la C35 entre Henties et Uis, et la 2e et 3e sont la D2612
nous rentrons de Namibie et avons fait le trajet en deux étapes : la première de Twyfelfontein au Brandberg, par la D2612 et la C35 (env. 2 h 30), puis on a continué le lendemain du Brandberg a Swakopmund, par la C35 vers Hentiesbay puis C34 vers Swakop (également env. 2 h 30), en roulant bien. Nous étions juste après la saison des pluies, et ces routes étaient en bon état (ils les refont vite et bien), et très belles. Ca dépend aussi de la suite de votre voyage, si vous montez au nord ou pas. La C39 au sud de Bergsig est magnifique (votre 3e option) Bon voyage
Matei ps. la 1ère image est la C35 entre Henties et Uis, et la 2e et 3e sont la D2612
Matei
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Bonjour,
Moi aussi je pars, mais fin octobre début novembre.Je regarde également pour trouver les plus belles routes .Je pense monter à etosha et ensuite rejoindre le cape cross par twyfontein et le brandberg.J'ai commandé à la Fnac une carte de la namibie qui est vraiment suuper. Va voir sur le site tu la trouveras, l'intutilé de la carte est : Nelles Map, NAMIBIE : Victoria falls, chobe Okavango delta
J'aimerai également savoir si on peut aller avec un camping car sur les pistes et si on peut avoir un permi de France. J'aimerai bien prendre les pistes qui vont de Swakopmund en direction du desert de Namib, mais en passsant par la C28 et savoir si on peut quitter la C28 au nord pour faire la boucle qui va à Langer Heinrich, et archer's rock.
J'ai vu qu'il y avait un camping (sauvage sans doute) et j'aimerai savoir si on peut approcher avec deux campers Merci et à bientôt
Moi aussi je pars, mais fin octobre début novembre.Je regarde également pour trouver les plus belles routes .Je pense monter à etosha et ensuite rejoindre le cape cross par twyfontein et le brandberg.J'ai commandé à la Fnac une carte de la namibie qui est vraiment suuper. Va voir sur le site tu la trouveras, l'intutilé de la carte est : Nelles Map, NAMIBIE : Victoria falls, chobe Okavango delta
J'aimerai également savoir si on peut aller avec un camping car sur les pistes et si on peut avoir un permi de France. J'aimerai bien prendre les pistes qui vont de Swakopmund en direction du desert de Namib, mais en passsant par la C28 et savoir si on peut quitter la C28 au nord pour faire la boucle qui va à Langer Heinrich, et archer's rock.
J'ai vu qu'il y avait un camping (sauvage sans doute) et j'aimerai savoir si on peut approcher avec deux campers Merci et à bientôt
Bonjour,
Je rentre de Namibie où nous avons passé 1 mois (mi-avril mi-mai) où on a vu plusieurs camping-cars. Je ne connais rien aux camping-cars et je ne sais pas s'ils ont un chassis haut ou pas (plutôt recommandé).
Les routes et pistes namibiennes sont en très bon état, bien entretenues. On a souvent vus des engins de travaux remettre en état les gravel roads (celles qui sont très fréquentées). La signalisation est particulièrement bonne : même au milieu de nulle part, les dangers, les limites de vitesse, les virages dangereux et les directions ou numéros de pistes sont bien indiqués.
Il faut un permis pour sortir de certaines routes et c'est le cas des pistes annexes qui partent de la C14 et de la C28 (Welwitschia Drive, Archer's rock, Bluekopje, Kuiseb canyon ...). Les permis s'achètent auprès des bureaux de l'environnement et du tourisme à Windhoek, Swakopmund ou Sesriem. Celui de Windhoek se trouve dans la rue pietonne entre Independance avenue et Post Mall Street. A Swakopmund, la station service Hans Kreiss ou les bureaux du Charly Desert Tours les vendent également.
Le camping sauvage est plutôt déconseillé en Namibie et en principe interdit dans les zones nécessitant un permis d'accès.
Je saus qu'au Blutkoppe, il y a un camping où il faut prévoir d'apporter son eau car il n'y a pas d'eau courante (un peu comme dans les campings communautaires du Spitzkoppe ou de Purros). En décembre 2008 le tarif était de N$80 l'emplacement + N$40 par personne + N$10 par voiture et il était prudent de faire une résa auprès du bureau de tourisme de Swakopmund.
La carte de Namibie des éditions Nelles est particulièrement détaillée. Toutes les pistes ainsi que la plupart des campings ou des lodges y sont indiqués. Nelles édite également un petit guide pratique et peu encombrant, très intéressant avec plans de villes, explications, points d'intérêt ...
En tout cas, bon voyage dans ce pays extraordinaire (on en a pris plein les yeux et plein tête ...) Laurence
Je rentre de Namibie où nous avons passé 1 mois (mi-avril mi-mai) où on a vu plusieurs camping-cars. Je ne connais rien aux camping-cars et je ne sais pas s'ils ont un chassis haut ou pas (plutôt recommandé).
Les routes et pistes namibiennes sont en très bon état, bien entretenues. On a souvent vus des engins de travaux remettre en état les gravel roads (celles qui sont très fréquentées). La signalisation est particulièrement bonne : même au milieu de nulle part, les dangers, les limites de vitesse, les virages dangereux et les directions ou numéros de pistes sont bien indiqués.
Il faut un permis pour sortir de certaines routes et c'est le cas des pistes annexes qui partent de la C14 et de la C28 (Welwitschia Drive, Archer's rock, Bluekopje, Kuiseb canyon ...). Les permis s'achètent auprès des bureaux de l'environnement et du tourisme à Windhoek, Swakopmund ou Sesriem. Celui de Windhoek se trouve dans la rue pietonne entre Independance avenue et Post Mall Street. A Swakopmund, la station service Hans Kreiss ou les bureaux du Charly Desert Tours les vendent également.
Le camping sauvage est plutôt déconseillé en Namibie et en principe interdit dans les zones nécessitant un permis d'accès.
Je saus qu'au Blutkoppe, il y a un camping où il faut prévoir d'apporter son eau car il n'y a pas d'eau courante (un peu comme dans les campings communautaires du Spitzkoppe ou de Purros). En décembre 2008 le tarif était de N$80 l'emplacement + N$40 par personne + N$10 par voiture et il était prudent de faire une résa auprès du bureau de tourisme de Swakopmund.
La carte de Namibie des éditions Nelles est particulièrement détaillée. Toutes les pistes ainsi que la plupart des campings ou des lodges y sont indiqués. Nelles édite également un petit guide pratique et peu encombrant, très intéressant avec plans de villes, explications, points d'intérêt ...
En tout cas, bon voyage dans ce pays extraordinaire (on en a pris plein les yeux et plein tête ...) Laurence
Bonjour,
Merci beaucoup pour votre réponse 🙂.... Je vais voir si je peux prendre ces pistes, mais effectivement avec un camping car cela me paraît un peu limite...🙁 Le chassis n'est évidement pas un chassis de 4X4 mais n'est tout de même pas trop bas. Savez vous si on peut contacter les bureaux qui vendent les permis et dont vous m'avez noté les adresses ?
D'autre part dans les voyages, je suis très axée sur les paysages...bien plus que sur les villes même si nous irons tout de même visité Swako.
Ma passion à moi, c'est les routes longues et interminables... et bien sûr magnifiques.... Donc je recherche ces routes là. J'ai déjà trouvé sur le forum que la route entre Twyfelfontein et la Brandberg était splendide... Je pense qu'il doit en être de même pour les routes du Damaraland.
Mais êtes vous allé dans le massif du Brandberg, Twyfelfontein, Spitzkoppe et massif d'Erongo ? Qu'en avez vous pensez ? Quel est le plus beau et le plus sauvage ? Si on doit faire l'impasse sur l'un des 4 lequel doit on faire sauter ?
N'oubliez pas que je suis vraiment branchée "nature sauvage"....isolement.... bref le road movie quoi.... Merci encore Amitiés
Merci beaucoup pour votre réponse 🙂.... Je vais voir si je peux prendre ces pistes, mais effectivement avec un camping car cela me paraît un peu limite...🙁 Le chassis n'est évidement pas un chassis de 4X4 mais n'est tout de même pas trop bas. Savez vous si on peut contacter les bureaux qui vendent les permis et dont vous m'avez noté les adresses ?
D'autre part dans les voyages, je suis très axée sur les paysages...bien plus que sur les villes même si nous irons tout de même visité Swako.
Ma passion à moi, c'est les routes longues et interminables... et bien sûr magnifiques.... Donc je recherche ces routes là. J'ai déjà trouvé sur le forum que la route entre Twyfelfontein et la Brandberg était splendide... Je pense qu'il doit en être de même pour les routes du Damaraland.
Mais êtes vous allé dans le massif du Brandberg, Twyfelfontein, Spitzkoppe et massif d'Erongo ? Qu'en avez vous pensez ? Quel est le plus beau et le plus sauvage ? Si on doit faire l'impasse sur l'un des 4 lequel doit on faire sauter ?
N'oubliez pas que je suis vraiment branchée "nature sauvage"....isolement.... bref le road movie quoi.... Merci encore Amitiés
Bonjour,
Par précaution en vue des jours fériés du moi de mai en Namibie et des horaires d'ouverture des bureaux, nous avions acheté certains permis à Windhoek mais tu peux les acheter à Swakopmund et surtout à Sesriem où le NWR est représenté à la réception du camping. Le NWR situé au 189 Independance Avenue à Windhoek nous a renvoyé sur le MET (Ministry of Environment and Tourism) situé à 5 minutes à pied du NWR. Le MET se situe dans la rue piétonne qui part d'Independance Avenue (au niveau de la Clock Tower) et qui descend vers Post Mall Street. Les bureaux du MET sont au 2ème étage d'un immeuble situé sur la gauche, un peu avant d'arriver à la Fontaine aux Météorites. J'ai trouvé leur adresse sur le net et avec cela tu peux t'y retrouver.Ministry of Environment and Tourism Street Address: 2nd Floor FGI House, Post Street Mall
Sinon à Swakomund le Charly Desert Tour est situé sur Sam Nujoma Avenue (au N° 11) et la station hans Kreiss sur cette même avenue au cas où les bureaux du Ministère seraient fermés.
MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND TOURISM
- Swakopmund Office: Corner Bismarck Street and Sam Nujoma Avenue Open hours for permits: Monday to Friday: 8h - 13h and 14h - 17h Saturday, Sunday & public Holidays: 8h - 13h
- Walvis Bay office: Henrich Baumann Street Road - Number 643 Monday to Friday: 8h - 13h and 14h - 17h Saturday, Sunday & Public Holidays: 8h - 13h
Si tu aimes les longues routs interminables et magnifiques, alors pars de suite en Namibie car c'est LE pays qu'il te faut. (Si tu as du temps, tu peux consulter nos photos déposées sur Picasa pour te rendre compte de ce que pourras découvrir là-bas. http://picasaweb.google.fr/cdfglg)
Twyfelfontein, le Brandberg, Le Spitzkoppe et l'Erongo font partie du Damaraland, la région la plus "lumineuse", à la fois sauvage et chaleureuse.
Nous avons été de Swakopmund au Spitzkoppe (restcamp communautaire sans eau courante ni électricité mais le lieu est tellement magnifique que l'on en oublie la rusticité des commodités). La beauté et les couleurs des rochers, le silence ponctuée de chants d'oiseaux ou de pas furtifs des damans des rochers, et toujours ce ciel étoilé et la Voie Lactée (omniprésent en Namibie) devraient te combler de bonheur.
Ensuite nous avons rejoint le Brandberg (White Lady Lodge and Campsite). Là aussi, c'est magique. Le massif est imposant et change de couleurs au fil du jour.
Puis nous sommes allés à Twyfelfontein, la forêt pétrifiée, les peintures et gravures rupestres, les Organ Pipes (Camp Xaragu).
Toutes les pistes sont magnifiques, les communautés locales extrêmement souriantes, accueillantes et "vraies". Il est hyper difficile de faire un choix mais tu peux ne pas t'arrêter pour la nuit au Brandberg : il faut dormir au Spitzkoppe, ensuite tu peux partir tôt, passer par le Brandberg (la White Lady et ses peintures rupestres) puis repartir pour Twyfelfontein où il faut s'arrêter car les choses à voir sont un peu distantes les unes des autres. Nous n'avons pas fait l'Erongo mais c'est à voir je pense (faut-il y passer une nuit ?). Selon ton parcours tu peux le placer peut-être entre le Spitzkoppe et le Brandberg (et dans ce cas dormir au Brandberg).
D'autres très belles pistes sont à parcourir selon ton itinéraire:
La D707 entre la C13(Aus-Helmeringhausen) et la C27. cette piste est tout simplement splendide. Je te recommande de loger au campsite de la ferme Koiimasis. Le lieu est sauvage, la propriétaire vend de la viande d'autruche ou de koudou marinée qu'elle prépare ele-même (au barbecue, accmpagnée d'une bonne bouteille de vin, dans le silence de la nuit ... j'en ai encore plein les yeux ... et les papilles). La C27 qui rejoint Sesriem est magnifique. La C19 entre la D831 et la D827 (au niveau de la Tsaris Pass).
La C14 entre Solitaire et Walvis bay qui traverse au moins 6 types de paysages différents (longue plaine, Canyon encaissé, montagne, désert ...) Les pistes du Damaraland (D1918, D1925, D1930, D2359, D2319, D2612 ...) La C43 pour Seisfontein, Opuwo et jusqu'à Epupa Falls (en mauvais état, étroite, sinueuse et encaissée entre Seisfontein et Opuwo mais magnifique) La D2512 entre la météorite de Hoba et la Parc du Waterberg. En attendant de mettre notre "Roadbook" en ligne, voici brièvement notre parcours :
Windhoek - Mariental (B1 Sud) - Keetmanshoop (B1 sud) - Fish River Canyon (B4 vers Lüderitz puis C12) - Aus (C12 puis B4 Ouest) - Kolmanskop - Lüderitz (B4 Ouest) - Ferme Koiimasis (B4 Est, C13 puis D707) - Hammerstein Lodge via Duwisib (D707, C27, D826, D831, C19 Ouest - Tsaris Pass) - Sesriem (C19 Est, D827, C27) - Solitaire - Kuangukuangu (C19, C14 et D1275) - Walvis Bay (C14) - Swakopmund (B2) - Spitzkoppe (sans passer par cape Cross initialement prévu car on avait vu une très importante colonie d'otaries à Walvis Bay. B2, D1918 et D1925) - Brandberg (D3716, D930 via Uis C35, D2359) - Twyfelfontein (D2359, D2319, C35 via Khorixas, C39) - Seisfontein (D2612, C39, C43) - Opuwo (C43) - Epupa Falls (C43) - Kamanjab (C43, C41, C35) - Etosha (C40, D2694, D2710, C38) - Waterberg via la météorite de Hoba (C42, D2859, D2860, D2512) - Okonjima via Otjiwarongo (D2512, C22, B1) - Windhoek (B1)
En résumé, on est restés 30 jours en Namibie (dont 29 jours de soleil) et parcouru 6200 km. Cela parait beaucoup mais en nos étapes quotidiennes étaient de 250 et 300 km en moyenne (la plus courte Aus-Lüdéritz, 125km et la plus longue, Epupa Falls-Kamanjab, 400km, mais sur de la route asphaltée). On se levait (comme tout le monde d'ailleurs) vers 5h30, on prenait la route vers 7h30 et on arrivait à notre étape suivante au plus tard pour midi (l'heure du barbecue). L'après-midi était ainsi consacré aux balades et visites. Le soir, comme il n'y a pas grand-chose, voire rien à faire, qu'il faisait nuit à 18h et que l'on était tout le temps à l'extérieur, on était fatigués et souvent couchés vers 20h-20h30 maxi.
Autre détail: végétariens s'abstenir en Namibie...C'est le pays de la viande (Game meat : springbok, autruche, koudou, oryx principalement ... hum .... un délice .... on voit qu'il est l'heure de déjeûner !)
Pour notre part, nous avons beaucoup profité des conseils et parcours des autres voyageurs déposés sur ce forum pour mettre au point notre propre itinéraire. J'espère donc que ces infos te seront utiles.
A+ Laurence
Par précaution en vue des jours fériés du moi de mai en Namibie et des horaires d'ouverture des bureaux, nous avions acheté certains permis à Windhoek mais tu peux les acheter à Swakopmund et surtout à Sesriem où le NWR est représenté à la réception du camping. Le NWR situé au 189 Independance Avenue à Windhoek nous a renvoyé sur le MET (Ministry of Environment and Tourism) situé à 5 minutes à pied du NWR. Le MET se situe dans la rue piétonne qui part d'Independance Avenue (au niveau de la Clock Tower) et qui descend vers Post Mall Street. Les bureaux du MET sont au 2ème étage d'un immeuble situé sur la gauche, un peu avant d'arriver à la Fontaine aux Météorites. J'ai trouvé leur adresse sur le net et avec cela tu peux t'y retrouver.Ministry of Environment and Tourism Street Address: 2nd Floor FGI House, Post Street Mall
Sinon à Swakomund le Charly Desert Tour est situé sur Sam Nujoma Avenue (au N° 11) et la station hans Kreiss sur cette même avenue au cas où les bureaux du Ministère seraient fermés.
MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND TOURISM
- Swakopmund Office: Corner Bismarck Street and Sam Nujoma Avenue Open hours for permits: Monday to Friday: 8h - 13h and 14h - 17h Saturday, Sunday & public Holidays: 8h - 13h
- Walvis Bay office: Henrich Baumann Street Road - Number 643 Monday to Friday: 8h - 13h and 14h - 17h Saturday, Sunday & Public Holidays: 8h - 13h
Si tu aimes les longues routs interminables et magnifiques, alors pars de suite en Namibie car c'est LE pays qu'il te faut. (Si tu as du temps, tu peux consulter nos photos déposées sur Picasa pour te rendre compte de ce que pourras découvrir là-bas. http://picasaweb.google.fr/cdfglg)
Twyfelfontein, le Brandberg, Le Spitzkoppe et l'Erongo font partie du Damaraland, la région la plus "lumineuse", à la fois sauvage et chaleureuse.
Nous avons été de Swakopmund au Spitzkoppe (restcamp communautaire sans eau courante ni électricité mais le lieu est tellement magnifique que l'on en oublie la rusticité des commodités). La beauté et les couleurs des rochers, le silence ponctuée de chants d'oiseaux ou de pas furtifs des damans des rochers, et toujours ce ciel étoilé et la Voie Lactée (omniprésent en Namibie) devraient te combler de bonheur.
Ensuite nous avons rejoint le Brandberg (White Lady Lodge and Campsite). Là aussi, c'est magique. Le massif est imposant et change de couleurs au fil du jour.
Puis nous sommes allés à Twyfelfontein, la forêt pétrifiée, les peintures et gravures rupestres, les Organ Pipes (Camp Xaragu).
Toutes les pistes sont magnifiques, les communautés locales extrêmement souriantes, accueillantes et "vraies". Il est hyper difficile de faire un choix mais tu peux ne pas t'arrêter pour la nuit au Brandberg : il faut dormir au Spitzkoppe, ensuite tu peux partir tôt, passer par le Brandberg (la White Lady et ses peintures rupestres) puis repartir pour Twyfelfontein où il faut s'arrêter car les choses à voir sont un peu distantes les unes des autres. Nous n'avons pas fait l'Erongo mais c'est à voir je pense (faut-il y passer une nuit ?). Selon ton parcours tu peux le placer peut-être entre le Spitzkoppe et le Brandberg (et dans ce cas dormir au Brandberg).
D'autres très belles pistes sont à parcourir selon ton itinéraire:
La D707 entre la C13(Aus-Helmeringhausen) et la C27. cette piste est tout simplement splendide. Je te recommande de loger au campsite de la ferme Koiimasis. Le lieu est sauvage, la propriétaire vend de la viande d'autruche ou de koudou marinée qu'elle prépare ele-même (au barbecue, accmpagnée d'une bonne bouteille de vin, dans le silence de la nuit ... j'en ai encore plein les yeux ... et les papilles). La C27 qui rejoint Sesriem est magnifique. La C19 entre la D831 et la D827 (au niveau de la Tsaris Pass).
La C14 entre Solitaire et Walvis bay qui traverse au moins 6 types de paysages différents (longue plaine, Canyon encaissé, montagne, désert ...) Les pistes du Damaraland (D1918, D1925, D1930, D2359, D2319, D2612 ...) La C43 pour Seisfontein, Opuwo et jusqu'à Epupa Falls (en mauvais état, étroite, sinueuse et encaissée entre Seisfontein et Opuwo mais magnifique) La D2512 entre la météorite de Hoba et la Parc du Waterberg. En attendant de mettre notre "Roadbook" en ligne, voici brièvement notre parcours :
Windhoek - Mariental (B1 Sud) - Keetmanshoop (B1 sud) - Fish River Canyon (B4 vers Lüderitz puis C12) - Aus (C12 puis B4 Ouest) - Kolmanskop - Lüderitz (B4 Ouest) - Ferme Koiimasis (B4 Est, C13 puis D707) - Hammerstein Lodge via Duwisib (D707, C27, D826, D831, C19 Ouest - Tsaris Pass) - Sesriem (C19 Est, D827, C27) - Solitaire - Kuangukuangu (C19, C14 et D1275) - Walvis Bay (C14) - Swakopmund (B2) - Spitzkoppe (sans passer par cape Cross initialement prévu car on avait vu une très importante colonie d'otaries à Walvis Bay. B2, D1918 et D1925) - Brandberg (D3716, D930 via Uis C35, D2359) - Twyfelfontein (D2359, D2319, C35 via Khorixas, C39) - Seisfontein (D2612, C39, C43) - Opuwo (C43) - Epupa Falls (C43) - Kamanjab (C43, C41, C35) - Etosha (C40, D2694, D2710, C38) - Waterberg via la météorite de Hoba (C42, D2859, D2860, D2512) - Okonjima via Otjiwarongo (D2512, C22, B1) - Windhoek (B1)
En résumé, on est restés 30 jours en Namibie (dont 29 jours de soleil) et parcouru 6200 km. Cela parait beaucoup mais en nos étapes quotidiennes étaient de 250 et 300 km en moyenne (la plus courte Aus-Lüdéritz, 125km et la plus longue, Epupa Falls-Kamanjab, 400km, mais sur de la route asphaltée). On se levait (comme tout le monde d'ailleurs) vers 5h30, on prenait la route vers 7h30 et on arrivait à notre étape suivante au plus tard pour midi (l'heure du barbecue). L'après-midi était ainsi consacré aux balades et visites. Le soir, comme il n'y a pas grand-chose, voire rien à faire, qu'il faisait nuit à 18h et que l'on était tout le temps à l'extérieur, on était fatigués et souvent couchés vers 20h-20h30 maxi.
Autre détail: végétariens s'abstenir en Namibie...C'est le pays de la viande (Game meat : springbok, autruche, koudou, oryx principalement ... hum .... un délice .... on voit qu'il est l'heure de déjeûner !)
Pour notre part, nous avons beaucoup profité des conseils et parcours des autres voyageurs déposés sur ce forum pour mettre au point notre propre itinéraire. J'espère donc que ces infos te seront utiles.
A+ Laurence
Merci mille fois,
J'ai stabiloté les routes dont tu m'as parlées ! En fait ne partant que 20 jours, j'avais zappé le sud.... Donc le plus sud où nous allions était sesriem, mais nous faisions la parc de Naukluft avec rando. Je vois que vous n'y êtes pas allés.
Penses tu qu'il vaille mieux prendre la route que tu as tant aimé le long du désert , de Sesriem à Nesip au sud ??? et laisser tomber les mountains naukluft ? (je fais pas de fixette sur ces montagnes)
Pour le cap cross, je suis un peu comme toi, j'hésite. Par contre je pense que je vais laisser tomber les routes qui ont besoin d'un permi. Cela risque d'une part de me compliquer la vie (autorisation et camping car peut-être difficile à l'accès !)
Nous n'irons pas dans le nord Kaokaland (sans 4X4, je pense que cela est difficile et vu le temps dont nous disposons cela ferait tout de même beaucoup)
As tu déjà visité le parc Kruger en Afrique du sud ? Nous en sommes dingues.... Et Etosha ? Est ce vraiment si magnifique ? Nous irons de toute façon car j'ai de la famille qui me rejoint là-bas et qui n'ont jamais vu de parc animalier.Mais j'espère que je ne serais pas trop déçu par Etosha car apparement la végétation est beaucoup plus rare qu'au Kruger. Je n'ai pas réussi à ouvrir tes photos.
Dans tous les cas tes conseils vont beaucoup me servir. On s'offre ce voyage pour nos 50 ans (ma soeur jumelle et moi-même) et avec notre soeur ainée qui fêtera ses 60, alors on a pas envie de se rater. Quand on part 6 mois on s'en fiche, on peut ne rien prévoir, mais sur des petites périodes il faut bien potasser avant. Ainsi on gagne tout de même un peu de temps, et puis préparer, c'est aussi démarrrer le voyage....
Par contre nous faisons la route en sens inverse. C'est un peu compliqué mais on est 8 avec 4 au départ, 4 qui arrivent 5 jours plus tard, puis 2 qui repartent au bout de deux semaines donc on n'est obligé de calculer avec les aéroports, bref ne pas trop s'éloigner au moment de récupérer la famille et inversement ! Amitiés
J'ai stabiloté les routes dont tu m'as parlées ! En fait ne partant que 20 jours, j'avais zappé le sud.... Donc le plus sud où nous allions était sesriem, mais nous faisions la parc de Naukluft avec rando. Je vois que vous n'y êtes pas allés.
Penses tu qu'il vaille mieux prendre la route que tu as tant aimé le long du désert , de Sesriem à Nesip au sud ??? et laisser tomber les mountains naukluft ? (je fais pas de fixette sur ces montagnes)
Pour le cap cross, je suis un peu comme toi, j'hésite. Par contre je pense que je vais laisser tomber les routes qui ont besoin d'un permi. Cela risque d'une part de me compliquer la vie (autorisation et camping car peut-être difficile à l'accès !)
Nous n'irons pas dans le nord Kaokaland (sans 4X4, je pense que cela est difficile et vu le temps dont nous disposons cela ferait tout de même beaucoup)
As tu déjà visité le parc Kruger en Afrique du sud ? Nous en sommes dingues.... Et Etosha ? Est ce vraiment si magnifique ? Nous irons de toute façon car j'ai de la famille qui me rejoint là-bas et qui n'ont jamais vu de parc animalier.Mais j'espère que je ne serais pas trop déçu par Etosha car apparement la végétation est beaucoup plus rare qu'au Kruger. Je n'ai pas réussi à ouvrir tes photos.
Dans tous les cas tes conseils vont beaucoup me servir. On s'offre ce voyage pour nos 50 ans (ma soeur jumelle et moi-même) et avec notre soeur ainée qui fêtera ses 60, alors on a pas envie de se rater. Quand on part 6 mois on s'en fiche, on peut ne rien prévoir, mais sur des petites périodes il faut bien potasser avant. Ainsi on gagne tout de même un peu de temps, et puis préparer, c'est aussi démarrrer le voyage....
Par contre nous faisons la route en sens inverse. C'est un peu compliqué mais on est 8 avec 4 au départ, 4 qui arrivent 5 jours plus tard, puis 2 qui repartent au bout de deux semaines donc on n'est obligé de calculer avec les aéroports, bref ne pas trop s'éloigner au moment de récupérer la famille et inversement ! Amitiés
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Hi there,
Hope the pros are on the lookout!
March or May 2027. Around 15 days in the Western Cape, then 15 days in the southern KNP.
Arrival either in PE or George. The pros know I’m somewhat familiar with the area... that I don’t camp... that my accommodations can be simple and remote, self-catering but with basic comforts... that I’m looking for spots that are a bit off the beaten path... in a relaxed mode... From George: Late arrival... need some rest... Herolds Bay from George to the N1. Tsitsikamma is catching my eye (Storms River)... with or without a stop in Knysna. Question: What’s the current condition of the pass from Knysna to Uniondale? R339. And while I’m at it, the condition of the R340. Tsitsikamma, Knysna, and my questions still apply if arriving in PE.
Is the Swartberg still closed? Any recommendations for accommodation in Prince Albert? If I cross the escarpment, I’ll continue via Anysberg NR, Touwsrivier... any thoughts? From there... Tankwa Karoo or Mount Cedar (or both). Then heading back down to the coast... the highlands of Hermanus or Kogelberg NR (any opinions on the latter?).
Or,
A more classic route along the coast...
If I arrive (fairly late) in PE... any ideas for accommodation in that little area? Given that Nyathi Camp is winking at me... (For context... a while back, I stayed at Riverbend (same Addo sector, private concession)... and I visited the ruins of that abandoned lodge at the time, which has clearly been renovated since... located in a very quiet part of Addo...). Any feedback from the pros? Well, that’s about it... I’m open to any other tips or advice!
March or May 2027. Around 15 days in the Western Cape, then 15 days in the southern KNP.
Arrival either in PE or George. The pros know I’m somewhat familiar with the area... that I don’t camp... that my accommodations can be simple and remote, self-catering but with basic comforts... that I’m looking for spots that are a bit off the beaten path... in a relaxed mode... From George: Late arrival... need some rest... Herolds Bay from George to the N1. Tsitsikamma is catching my eye (Storms River)... with or without a stop in Knysna. Question: What’s the current condition of the pass from Knysna to Uniondale? R339. And while I’m at it, the condition of the R340. Tsitsikamma, Knysna, and my questions still apply if arriving in PE.
Is the Swartberg still closed? Any recommendations for accommodation in Prince Albert? If I cross the escarpment, I’ll continue via Anysberg NR, Touwsrivier... any thoughts? From there... Tankwa Karoo or Mount Cedar (or both). Then heading back down to the coast... the highlands of Hermanus or Kogelberg NR (any opinions on the latter?).
Or,
A more classic route along the coast...
If I arrive (fairly late) in PE... any ideas for accommodation in that little area? Given that Nyathi Camp is winking at me... (For context... a while back, I stayed at Riverbend (same Addo sector, private concession)... and I visited the ruins of that abandoned lodge at the time, which has clearly been renovated since... located in a very quiet part of Addo...). Any feedback from the pros? Well, that’s about it... I’m open to any other tips or advice!
Hi there,
I’m reaching out with a question about which park to choose for a 3-day safari in Kenya.
After 20 days in Uganda, I’m meeting up with my dad for a 3-day safari (that works for him). We’ll be meeting in Nairobi and have a full day to travel to a park (preferably the farthest from Nairobi to avoid crowds?) and spend 4 nights there before heading back to the capital for our flight to France.
I’d love to hear your recommendations since I’ve read so many great tips on this forum.
Thanks,
David
I’m reaching out with a question about which park to choose for a 3-day safari in Kenya.
After 20 days in Uganda, I’m meeting up with my dad for a 3-day safari (that works for him). We’ll be meeting in Nairobi and have a full day to travel to a park (preferably the farthest from Nairobi to avoid crowds?) and spend 4 nights there before heading back to the capital for our flight to France.
I’d love to hear your recommendations since I’ve read so many great tips on this forum.
Thanks,
David
Hi there,
I’m considering camping in Nyungwe Park with my family (2 adults, 2 kids) at Uwinka campsite. Problem: the park rents the tent but without any gear (mattresses, blankets). We don’t have a car. Is it possible to rent or buy mattresses and blankets near the park, please?
Thanks for your help
Hi, I'm looking for information on the road conditions in Moremi. We're leaving in 15 days, and from what I've heard, the roads are pretty tough to drive on. Any advice?
Thanks
Hi there,
I’m planning a potential trip to Namibia for a classic circuit in April 2027.
I’m surprised by how expensive the accommodations inside the parks are—really steep! Is it possible to stay outside the parks but still close enough to enjoy the game drives?
Do you have any recommendations for more reasonably priced lodging? I’m okay with spending 200 to 250 € per night.
No camping—the friend I’m traveling with absolutely refuses 😉, but maybe upgraded tents would work.
Thanks in advance, and have a great evening! !
I’m planning a potential trip to Namibia for a classic circuit in April 2027.
I’m surprised by how expensive the accommodations inside the parks are—really steep! Is it possible to stay outside the parks but still close enough to enjoy the game drives?
Do you have any recommendations for more reasonably priced lodging? I’m okay with spending 200 to 250 € per night.
No camping—the friend I’m traveling with absolutely refuses 😉, but maybe upgraded tents would work.
Thanks in advance, and have a great evening! !
Hello,
We’re planning a route from Maun to Kazane and Victoria Falls for May 2027 in a Toyota Hilux 4x4, staying in lodges (no camping). Here’s the rough outline:
- Maun: Arrival likely from Johannesburg, 2 nights
- Khwai: 2 nights
- Return to Maun
- Need to decide on a stop between Maun and Sepopa?
- Sepopa: 2 nights
- Cross into Namibia: Bagani, 2 nights
- Kongola: 2 nights
- Katima Mulilo: 2 nights
- Kasane: 3 or 4 nights
- Victoria Falls: 1 or 2 nights
- Return to France from Kasane or Victoria Falls
What’s the road condition like between Maun and Khwai? The stop names are approximate based on accommodations. Thanks for any feedback on this plan! Ailleurs 64
What’s the road condition like between Maun and Khwai? The stop names are approximate based on accommodations. Thanks for any feedback on this plan! Ailleurs 64
Hi,
At the end of July, we’re heading to Namibia with a group of five for a three-week road trip and visit to the national parks. We’ve read conflicting info about buying entry tickets—either online (where?) or at the gate when we arrive?
Thanks in advance for your tips!!
Have a great day
At the end of July, we’re heading to Namibia with a group of five for a three-week road trip and visit to the national parks. We’ve read conflicting info about buying entry tickets—either online (where?) or at the gate when we arrive?
Thanks in advance for your tips!!
Have a great day
Hi there,
I’d love to hear your thoughts on the agencies you used to plan your trip to Uganda.
There’s the whole issue of gorilla permits, which need to be booked in advance and involve a significant financial commitment. That’s where I’m at with my trip planning. Between checking lutb.go.ug/ and reading online reviews, it’s hard to move forward with confidence.
I contacted the French Embassy, but they don’t provide any recommendations. I almost booked with an agency that had a really bad review from February specifically about the permit process.
How did you go about choosing your agency? Given the large sum involved, I’m this close to booking through a travel agency in France for this part.
From what I understand, no matter which agency books the permit, you’re ultimately guided by professionals trained for gorilla trekking based on the permit itself? I’m assuming that’s how it works.
Thanks for your feedback, and I’m really happy to see the forum’s new energy—it’s been super helpful to me in the past.
I’d love to hear your thoughts on the agencies you used to plan your trip to Uganda.
There’s the whole issue of gorilla permits, which need to be booked in advance and involve a significant financial commitment. That’s where I’m at with my trip planning. Between checking lutb.go.ug/ and reading online reviews, it’s hard to move forward with confidence.
I contacted the French Embassy, but they don’t provide any recommendations. I almost booked with an agency that had a really bad review from February specifically about the permit process.
How did you go about choosing your agency? Given the large sum involved, I’m this close to booking through a travel agency in France for this part.
From what I understand, no matter which agency books the permit, you’re ultimately guided by professionals trained for gorilla trekking based on the permit itself? I’m assuming that’s how it works.
Thanks for your feedback, and I’m really happy to see the forum’s new energy—it’s been super helpful to me in the past.
Hi everyone!
We’re heading to Uganda next summer for three weeks with our two kids, who’ll be 7 and 9 years old. We’ve been to Southern Africa before but not East Africa, and after a trip to South Africa two years ago, the kids wanted to return to Africa, while we wanted to explore a new region while staying independent... Uganda’s been catching our eye for a while, and with Rwandair offering relatively attractive prices, we’re going for it!
We’ll be traveling in a 4x4 (self-drive) with roof tents. I don’t have any 4x4 driving experience, so it’ll be a first for me, but we’ll manage 😉 No great apes for us—kids need to be 15, and we don’t want to do that experience without them.
I don’t usually ask the forum much for trip planning, but this time, I’d love your thoughts and advice!
First question: Karamoja or not? At first glance, if we want to add it to a "classic" loop in the southwest, it doesn’t seem realistic—too packed, too much driving. We could consider doing the full loop via Kidepo and then heading down to Murchison, but I’m worried the trip might feel less varied and less kid-friendly. That said, the region looks stunning, and I’m struggling to accept not going at all... What do you think?
If we skip Karamoja, we’d do a loop: Murchison/Fort Portal/QENP/Bunyonyi/Mburo, which seems pretty comprehensive and would let us take our time, which is nice. A few random questions: - How much time should we plan for the Fort Portal area? I was thinking at least 3 days to visit Bigodi Swamp, walk around the craters, and maybe do a community walk (any thoughts on that?). - Between Murchison Falls and the Fort Portal area, is it worth breaking up the drive? I spotted Lake Albert Safari Lodge on the shores of Lake Albert—it’s not too expensive and looks nice. - I’d love to do some easy walks/hikes at the foot of the Rwenzori Mountains, ideally without a guide, but it doesn’t seem straightforward. Do you know if it’s possible to do nice walks independently? I’ve read about hikes in the hills near Kilembe but nothing very specific. Maybe staying somewhere at the foot of the mountains, like Ruboni Community Camp, would allow that. - Lake Mutanda looks really cool, and so does Lake Bunyonyi... Ideally, I’d like to see both, but won’t that feel repetitive? Is Lake Mutanda worth the detour?
Last practical question, since we don’t have experience with this: for the car with kids, would you recommend two tents (a bit more space) or a four-person tent?
I’ll stop here—already a lot of questions...
Thanks in advance for your feedback, and looking forward to exchanging ideas! Gabriel
We’re heading to Uganda next summer for three weeks with our two kids, who’ll be 7 and 9 years old. We’ve been to Southern Africa before but not East Africa, and after a trip to South Africa two years ago, the kids wanted to return to Africa, while we wanted to explore a new region while staying independent... Uganda’s been catching our eye for a while, and with Rwandair offering relatively attractive prices, we’re going for it!
We’ll be traveling in a 4x4 (self-drive) with roof tents. I don’t have any 4x4 driving experience, so it’ll be a first for me, but we’ll manage 😉 No great apes for us—kids need to be 15, and we don’t want to do that experience without them.
I don’t usually ask the forum much for trip planning, but this time, I’d love your thoughts and advice!
First question: Karamoja or not? At first glance, if we want to add it to a "classic" loop in the southwest, it doesn’t seem realistic—too packed, too much driving. We could consider doing the full loop via Kidepo and then heading down to Murchison, but I’m worried the trip might feel less varied and less kid-friendly. That said, the region looks stunning, and I’m struggling to accept not going at all... What do you think?
If we skip Karamoja, we’d do a loop: Murchison/Fort Portal/QENP/Bunyonyi/Mburo, which seems pretty comprehensive and would let us take our time, which is nice. A few random questions: - How much time should we plan for the Fort Portal area? I was thinking at least 3 days to visit Bigodi Swamp, walk around the craters, and maybe do a community walk (any thoughts on that?). - Between Murchison Falls and the Fort Portal area, is it worth breaking up the drive? I spotted Lake Albert Safari Lodge on the shores of Lake Albert—it’s not too expensive and looks nice. - I’d love to do some easy walks/hikes at the foot of the Rwenzori Mountains, ideally without a guide, but it doesn’t seem straightforward. Do you know if it’s possible to do nice walks independently? I’ve read about hikes in the hills near Kilembe but nothing very specific. Maybe staying somewhere at the foot of the mountains, like Ruboni Community Camp, would allow that. - Lake Mutanda looks really cool, and so does Lake Bunyonyi... Ideally, I’d like to see both, but won’t that feel repetitive? Is Lake Mutanda worth the detour?
Last practical question, since we don’t have experience with this: for the car with kids, would you recommend two tents (a bit more space) or a four-person tent?
I’ll stop here—already a lot of questions...
Thanks in advance for your feedback, and looking forward to exchanging ideas! Gabriel
Hi everyone!
I’m looking for a French-speaking local guide for July 2019. Would anyone have a contact there? No tour operators, please.
Thanks in advance!
I’m looking for a French-speaking local guide for July 2019. Would anyone have a contact there? No tour operators, please.
Thanks in advance!
Hello,
We’re planning our second trip to South Africa in July 2026. In 2023, we did a loop from Joburg, Golden Gate, Drakensberg, Hluhluwe, St Lucia, Eswatini, Kruger, Blyde River Canyon, and back to Joburg. This time, we’d like to go to Cape Town and do a road trip to Port Elizabeth, then fly back to Joburg to return to Kruger. At this stage of my planning, here’s what it could look like:
D1 to D4: Cape Town and Cape of Good Hope (Table Mountain, Lion’s Head, Waterfront, Bo-Kaap, Boulders, Cape Point, Chapman’s Peak Drive). I’ve spotted a few places to stay between Camps Bay and Hout Bay (3 nights). D5 and D6: Either Karoo NP or Hermanus and De Hoop. Any opinions to tip the scales? I’ll admit I’m already leaning toward Karoo (the "wild" vibe of the landscapes and wildlife encounters appeal to me much more than the seaside, which feels less exotic). If we go for Karoo, where should we stay? Inside the park or in Beaufort West? I’ve seen good reviews for Ko-ka Tsara Bush Camp, but maybe it’s better to stay in the Sanparks cottages to make the most of the park? (2 nights) Option B is to do Stellenbosch (though vineyards aren’t great in winter) and/or the Whale Route—Betty’s Bay, Hermanus, De Hoop (2 nights near Gansbaai). D7 and D8: Klein Karoo, Oudtshoorn. Staying at De Cango Guest Farm (2 nights). D9 and D10: Knysna, Robberg Nature Reserve, Tsitsikamma (2 nights in Plettenberg Bay and 1 night in PE). D11: Flight from Port Elizabeth to Joburg at 7 AM and drive to Marloth Park.
For Kruger, I’ve booked 2 nights in Marloth Park, 1 night in Skukuza, 2 nights in Satara, and 1 night in Talamati, which we loved. I’ll book the last night in Graskop later since we want to revisit the Blyde Canyon area.
I’d love all the feedback you can give on my itinerary, especially for days 5 and 6. If you have recommendations for accommodations for 4 people, I’d appreciate those too. Thanks! 🙂
We’re planning our second trip to South Africa in July 2026. In 2023, we did a loop from Joburg, Golden Gate, Drakensberg, Hluhluwe, St Lucia, Eswatini, Kruger, Blyde River Canyon, and back to Joburg. This time, we’d like to go to Cape Town and do a road trip to Port Elizabeth, then fly back to Joburg to return to Kruger. At this stage of my planning, here’s what it could look like:
D1 to D4: Cape Town and Cape of Good Hope (Table Mountain, Lion’s Head, Waterfront, Bo-Kaap, Boulders, Cape Point, Chapman’s Peak Drive). I’ve spotted a few places to stay between Camps Bay and Hout Bay (3 nights). D5 and D6: Either Karoo NP or Hermanus and De Hoop. Any opinions to tip the scales? I’ll admit I’m already leaning toward Karoo (the "wild" vibe of the landscapes and wildlife encounters appeal to me much more than the seaside, which feels less exotic). If we go for Karoo, where should we stay? Inside the park or in Beaufort West? I’ve seen good reviews for Ko-ka Tsara Bush Camp, but maybe it’s better to stay in the Sanparks cottages to make the most of the park? (2 nights) Option B is to do Stellenbosch (though vineyards aren’t great in winter) and/or the Whale Route—Betty’s Bay, Hermanus, De Hoop (2 nights near Gansbaai). D7 and D8: Klein Karoo, Oudtshoorn. Staying at De Cango Guest Farm (2 nights). D9 and D10: Knysna, Robberg Nature Reserve, Tsitsikamma (2 nights in Plettenberg Bay and 1 night in PE). D11: Flight from Port Elizabeth to Joburg at 7 AM and drive to Marloth Park.
For Kruger, I’ve booked 2 nights in Marloth Park, 1 night in Skukuza, 2 nights in Satara, and 1 night in Talamati, which we loved. I’ll book the last night in Graskop later since we want to revisit the Blyde Canyon area.
I’d love all the feedback you can give on my itinerary, especially for days 5 and 6. If you have recommendations for accommodations for 4 people, I’d appreciate those too. Thanks! 🙂
Hi
Any feedback on the agency Mon Guide Zanzibar?
Hi everyone,
We’re a family of four (two daughters aged 18 and 21) and we’re planning a three-week trip to Tanzania. Zanzibar would be our main base, but we’d also like to do a safari on the mainland. Could you share any tips on: - the ideal length for such a safari, the best place to go during this period (and easily accessible by flight from Zanzibar) - your recommendations for the most suitable type of stay for a family like ours - reliable local agencies with reasonable prices that could help us with this plan
Thanks in advance!
Albin
We’re a family of four (two daughters aged 18 and 21) and we’re planning a three-week trip to Tanzania. Zanzibar would be our main base, but we’d also like to do a safari on the mainland. Could you share any tips on: - the ideal length for such a safari, the best place to go during this period (and easily accessible by flight from Zanzibar) - your recommendations for the most suitable type of stay for a family like ours - reliable local agencies with reasonable prices that could help us with this plan
Thanks in advance!
Albin
Hi everyone, I’m here to get some advice on visiting KRUGER Park.
From what I’ve gathered through my reading, I understand there are two ways to visit the park:
- Independently with your own vehicle
=> Do you drive all day?
- By booking with a professional
=> Safari early in the morning and late in the afternoon. But what do you do in between?
When it comes to accommodations, the options are: - Booking in one of the park’s camps, where the lodging is basic but functional - Booking in a private reserve, which is more comfortable but prohibitively expensive - Booking outside the park, which means entering the park every morning. But if you want to stay for 3 days, that doesn’t seem practical to me. Do you have any advice for accommodations?
To be honest, I’m really struggling to understand how it all works... Thanks to everyone for your help. Bidule 27
When it comes to accommodations, the options are: - Booking in one of the park’s camps, where the lodging is basic but functional - Booking in a private reserve, which is more comfortable but prohibitively expensive - Booking outside the park, which means entering the park every morning. But if you want to stay for 3 days, that doesn’t seem practical to me. Do you have any advice for accommodations?
To be honest, I’m really struggling to understand how it all works... Thanks to everyone for your help. Bidule 27
Hey everyone!
Heading to Namibia in a few days and I just read that the entry fees for all parks in Namibia have skyrocketed. Increases between 86 and 100%, and this has been in effect since April 1st (no joke). Have any of you heard about this, and if so, do you know if it’s actually being enforced?
For example, the fee for Etosha has gone from 150 NAD to 280 NAD per day per person.
Thanks in advance!
Namibia raises park fees by 86 to 100 percent
Namibia raises park fees by 86 to 100 percent
Hello,
I’m really interested in traveling to South Africa in September 2020. My question is whether I should go on an organized tour or plan my own itinerary. Organized trips are pretty expensive $$$$, but the security aspect reassures me. I’d love to hear your thoughts on safety in South Africa and whether it’s easy to arrange activities like visiting vineyards, Cape Town, and going on a safari on our own. Which is better in terms of cost—booking an organized trip or doing it ourselves? It’s definitely less exciting to follow a group for 10 days. We’re a couple in our 50s who love nature. 😊🦁
I’m really interested in traveling to South Africa in September 2020. My question is whether I should go on an organized tour or plan my own itinerary. Organized trips are pretty expensive $$$$, but the security aspect reassures me. I’d love to hear your thoughts on safety in South Africa and whether it’s easy to arrange activities like visiting vineyards, Cape Town, and going on a safari on our own. Which is better in terms of cost—booking an organized trip or doing it ourselves? It’s definitely less exciting to follow a group for 10 days. We’re a couple in our 50s who love nature. 😊🦁
Hi everyone,
We’re heading out in April 2027 with our 4x4 to explore part of Southern Africa. Right now we’re researching all these beautiful countries and deciding where to ship our vehicle. We’re from Le Havre—has anyone here already shipped from that port to South Africa or East Africa? As for all these countries, is wild camping allowed, tolerated, easy, or difficult? We’ve already visited a few, but you can read just about anything online, so getting tips from real independent travelers is way better :) We’re all ears for any hacks, experiences, or spots you’d recommend. See you on the road with Doddy
We’re heading out in April 2027 with our 4x4 to explore part of Southern Africa. Right now we’re researching all these beautiful countries and deciding where to ship our vehicle. We’re from Le Havre—has anyone here already shipped from that port to South Africa or East Africa? As for all these countries, is wild camping allowed, tolerated, easy, or difficult? We’ve already visited a few, but you can read just about anything online, so getting tips from real independent travelers is way better :) We’re all ears for any hacks, experiences, or spots you’d recommend. See you on the road with Doddy
Hi,
I’m starting to plan a great trip for the last three weeks of January 2027 (my first time in South Africa).
After spending a few hours (!) browsing this forum, here’s a rough first draft of my itinerary:
D0 Arrival at JNB D1, D2 Blyde River Canyon D3, D4, D5, D6, D7: Kruger D8, D9, D10: St Lucia and surrounding area D11, D12, D13, D14: Drakensberg + Lesotho
D15 A very long driving day to the south (hope the AC doesn’t break down!)
D16, D17, D18, D19 southwest coast (so far I’ve noted Oudtshoorn, Robberg Nature Reserve, Wilderness NP, De Hoop Reserve, and a bit of the wine route) D20, D21 Cape Town (peninsula and a bit of the city) + domestic flight and return flight (departure from JNB at 11 PM)
A few questions before refining this: - Do you see any major issues with this itinerary?
- We don’t have a choice on dates, and personally, I prefer green landscapes to desert ones anyway, but do you really see far fewer animals in January than in the dry season? Five days in Kruger should give us enough time to spot plenty of different animals despite the tall grass, right? As for the heat, we’re from Réunion, so we’re relatively used to it, even though I know it’s not the same type of heat.
- Can I trust the distances and driving times given by Google Maps?
- Picking up the vehicle in Johannesburg and dropping it off in Cape Town: how much might that cost us? I’m thinking it probably won’t be worse (in terms of time or money, since there are five of us—2 adults + 3 kids) than going back to Joburg after Lesotho, taking a flight to Cape Town, and renting another vehicle... but maybe I’m wrong.
- Finally, wouldn’t it be better to focus on just one of the two regions (either the northeast or Cape Town and the south coast)? If it were up to me, I’d stick to the first part and extend a few stops... but not everyone agrees! And we’re thinking that since it’ll be really hot, a second part of the trip that’s a bit """cooler""" would be welcome.
Thanks for your help
D0 Arrival at JNB D1, D2 Blyde River Canyon D3, D4, D5, D6, D7: Kruger D8, D9, D10: St Lucia and surrounding area D11, D12, D13, D14: Drakensberg + Lesotho
D15 A very long driving day to the south (hope the AC doesn’t break down!)
D16, D17, D18, D19 southwest coast (so far I’ve noted Oudtshoorn, Robberg Nature Reserve, Wilderness NP, De Hoop Reserve, and a bit of the wine route) D20, D21 Cape Town (peninsula and a bit of the city) + domestic flight and return flight (departure from JNB at 11 PM)
A few questions before refining this: - Do you see any major issues with this itinerary?
- We don’t have a choice on dates, and personally, I prefer green landscapes to desert ones anyway, but do you really see far fewer animals in January than in the dry season? Five days in Kruger should give us enough time to spot plenty of different animals despite the tall grass, right? As for the heat, we’re from Réunion, so we’re relatively used to it, even though I know it’s not the same type of heat.
- Can I trust the distances and driving times given by Google Maps?
- Picking up the vehicle in Johannesburg and dropping it off in Cape Town: how much might that cost us? I’m thinking it probably won’t be worse (in terms of time or money, since there are five of us—2 adults + 3 kids) than going back to Joburg after Lesotho, taking a flight to Cape Town, and renting another vehicle... but maybe I’m wrong.
- Finally, wouldn’t it be better to focus on just one of the two regions (either the northeast or Cape Town and the south coast)? If it were up to me, I’d stick to the first part and extend a few stops... but not everyone agrees! And we’re thinking that since it’ll be really hot, a second part of the trip that’s a bit """cooler""" would be welcome.
Thanks for your help
Hello everyone,
I imagine many of you have been captivated by the Masai Mara park and/or your safari experience with Tony Crocetta/Melting Pot Safari. Still, I’d like to share my perspective. First, I’m an avid traveler, especially in love with Africa, which my partner and I have explored a bit (Zambia, South Africa, Botswana, Kenya, Zimbabwe, Namibia...). That said, I want to express my deep disappointment with both the Masai Mara and Tony Crocetta’s camp, Melting Pot Safari, where we stayed last year.
First, about the park: it’s stunning, no doubt. But what a highly touristy place! I can’t find the words to describe the horror of being among 30 4x4 vehicles lined up in front of a lioness hunt, let alone encircling her right after her kill while her prey is still alive in her jaws... no respect for wildlife. The same goes for surrounding a young leopard playing with its small prey, a moment when I counted over 50 vehicles, most with their engines running... sickening. I turned away, both my gaze and my camera. What a disaster to see this natural wonder of Africa turned into a tourist hotspot.
Yes, I loved this place on Earth, but no, I won’t "promote" it anywhere or to anyone.
Next, I also wanted to share my dissatisfaction with Tony Crocetta’s famous camp, Melting Pot Safari: where to begin? We booked a private vehicle for four with two friends, and I have no complaints about the vehicle itself (though it obviously came at a cost). The windows and the vehicle weren’t very photo-friendly, but let’s move on. The trip between the sisters’ guesthouse (which was fine) and the camp went smoothly, except we arrived a bit too late. Result: "We’ll leave for the safari an hour later today because the driver has to respect his rest hours." Perfect—with park formalities, we only spent about an hour in the park that evening. The safari got off to a great start... During our 12-day stay, we saw some amazing things. Tony wasn’t at the camp—I don’t know what the atmosphere is like when he’s there, but it was rather cold during our trip. Sylvie, his wife, barely looked at us, never asking how our day, night, or game drive went (I think she spoke to us once during the stay, plus the day we arrived, of course). We felt invisible... (if I were mean, I’d say the money had already been deposited into Melting Pot’s bank account.) The evening meals, if I may say so, were a joke: not enough dessert (aside from fruit, but the few elaborate desserts—like 10 for 18 guests) for everyone, barely enough meat or sides. If you were unlucky like us and ended up with a group of 15 people who decided to skip the starter, you’d better hurry to get your main course, or there might not be any left—and no refills... We always ate our fill, but sometimes we had to serve ourselves in advance. Finally, I want to correct something about the quality of the meals: seriously, this buffet was really mediocre and far from the culinary standards I’d read about in my pre-trip research (see their Facebook page). Anyway, let’s move past the food—after all, the avocados were sublime, and we’re not there primarily to eat.
About the tent: the river views were beautiful, and the beds were very comfortable. No running water, individual showers outside the tent, and dry toilets—but it’s Africa, so we weren’t shocked. However, I’m disappointed that for this "modest" price, I wasn’t warned there’d be no soap (and no, I don’t travel with my own soap—and for the price, a little bar in the tent wouldn’t be a luxury). But let’s move on—the hippo views were fantastic. Oh, and to preserve the Masai Mara’s water (which makes sense) and for hygiene reasons, underwear isn’t washed by the camp staff—fair enough. But then what’s that little sign next to the bed? Oh right, for a hefty sum, underwear suddenly becomes "washable"...
Finally, my biggest gripe is about the essential part: the game drives. In France, they sell you a dream with a "photo safari" (what’s the difference, really? A room with a few more electrical outlets?). They promise guides especially suited for photography (not a given, sorry) and vehicles that can get close to animals and go off-road... but here’s the catch: the guides are bound by park laws and hounded by rangers looking to fine rule-breakers. Result: as soon as a white ranger vehicle is spotted, we have to abandon our spot for a wild chase through the grass. Fun once... The next day, we learned that another group’s guide got caught and had to pay $100 for breaking the rules—a sum he casually asked the travelers in his vehicle to cover... because of course, Melting Pot lures tourists with dreams, the poor rangers try to get close, all while breaking park laws... and they break those laws for Crocetta’s company, which, of course, won’t dip into its profits to pay the fines. Basically, it’s "keep the clients happy, but don’t get fined—or the fines are on you or you’ll have to ask the clients directly." Nice boss! Anyway, there were long discussions about this last year, especially among the guests in the fined vehicle. My partner and I found these practices unacceptable, and we were deeply disappointed by this attitude.
I know many people adore this park and/or this company—maybe you were luckier... or maybe you’re less demanding than we are when it comes to respecting rules, nature, and clients. But after traveling through much of southern Africa, I can tell you we personally came back frustrated from this experience and aren’t eager to return... You’ve been warned.
I imagine many of you have been captivated by the Masai Mara park and/or your safari experience with Tony Crocetta/Melting Pot Safari. Still, I’d like to share my perspective. First, I’m an avid traveler, especially in love with Africa, which my partner and I have explored a bit (Zambia, South Africa, Botswana, Kenya, Zimbabwe, Namibia...). That said, I want to express my deep disappointment with both the Masai Mara and Tony Crocetta’s camp, Melting Pot Safari, where we stayed last year.
First, about the park: it’s stunning, no doubt. But what a highly touristy place! I can’t find the words to describe the horror of being among 30 4x4 vehicles lined up in front of a lioness hunt, let alone encircling her right after her kill while her prey is still alive in her jaws... no respect for wildlife. The same goes for surrounding a young leopard playing with its small prey, a moment when I counted over 50 vehicles, most with their engines running... sickening. I turned away, both my gaze and my camera. What a disaster to see this natural wonder of Africa turned into a tourist hotspot.
Yes, I loved this place on Earth, but no, I won’t "promote" it anywhere or to anyone.
Next, I also wanted to share my dissatisfaction with Tony Crocetta’s famous camp, Melting Pot Safari: where to begin? We booked a private vehicle for four with two friends, and I have no complaints about the vehicle itself (though it obviously came at a cost). The windows and the vehicle weren’t very photo-friendly, but let’s move on. The trip between the sisters’ guesthouse (which was fine) and the camp went smoothly, except we arrived a bit too late. Result: "We’ll leave for the safari an hour later today because the driver has to respect his rest hours." Perfect—with park formalities, we only spent about an hour in the park that evening. The safari got off to a great start... During our 12-day stay, we saw some amazing things. Tony wasn’t at the camp—I don’t know what the atmosphere is like when he’s there, but it was rather cold during our trip. Sylvie, his wife, barely looked at us, never asking how our day, night, or game drive went (I think she spoke to us once during the stay, plus the day we arrived, of course). We felt invisible... (if I were mean, I’d say the money had already been deposited into Melting Pot’s bank account.) The evening meals, if I may say so, were a joke: not enough dessert (aside from fruit, but the few elaborate desserts—like 10 for 18 guests) for everyone, barely enough meat or sides. If you were unlucky like us and ended up with a group of 15 people who decided to skip the starter, you’d better hurry to get your main course, or there might not be any left—and no refills... We always ate our fill, but sometimes we had to serve ourselves in advance. Finally, I want to correct something about the quality of the meals: seriously, this buffet was really mediocre and far from the culinary standards I’d read about in my pre-trip research (see their Facebook page). Anyway, let’s move past the food—after all, the avocados were sublime, and we’re not there primarily to eat.
About the tent: the river views were beautiful, and the beds were very comfortable. No running water, individual showers outside the tent, and dry toilets—but it’s Africa, so we weren’t shocked. However, I’m disappointed that for this "modest" price, I wasn’t warned there’d be no soap (and no, I don’t travel with my own soap—and for the price, a little bar in the tent wouldn’t be a luxury). But let’s move on—the hippo views were fantastic. Oh, and to preserve the Masai Mara’s water (which makes sense) and for hygiene reasons, underwear isn’t washed by the camp staff—fair enough. But then what’s that little sign next to the bed? Oh right, for a hefty sum, underwear suddenly becomes "washable"...
Finally, my biggest gripe is about the essential part: the game drives. In France, they sell you a dream with a "photo safari" (what’s the difference, really? A room with a few more electrical outlets?). They promise guides especially suited for photography (not a given, sorry) and vehicles that can get close to animals and go off-road... but here’s the catch: the guides are bound by park laws and hounded by rangers looking to fine rule-breakers. Result: as soon as a white ranger vehicle is spotted, we have to abandon our spot for a wild chase through the grass. Fun once... The next day, we learned that another group’s guide got caught and had to pay $100 for breaking the rules—a sum he casually asked the travelers in his vehicle to cover... because of course, Melting Pot lures tourists with dreams, the poor rangers try to get close, all while breaking park laws... and they break those laws for Crocetta’s company, which, of course, won’t dip into its profits to pay the fines. Basically, it’s "keep the clients happy, but don’t get fined—or the fines are on you or you’ll have to ask the clients directly." Nice boss! Anyway, there were long discussions about this last year, especially among the guests in the fined vehicle. My partner and I found these practices unacceptable, and we were deeply disappointed by this attitude.
I know many people adore this park and/or this company—maybe you were luckier... or maybe you’re less demanding than we are when it comes to respecting rules, nature, and clients. But after traveling through much of southern Africa, I can tell you we personally came back frustrated from this experience and aren’t eager to return... You’ve been warned.
Hi there,
Here’s my feedback after a recent trip to Ethiopia, organized with a local guide.
Despite a signed quote, months of prep exchanges (over eight months!), and phone calls right up to departure day, the guide didn’t honor the commitments we’d agreed on.
Haile Haftu FANUAILE, manager of the agency www.charmethiopiantours.com—who we’d organized everything with—didn’t meet us as promised when we arrived in Addis Ababa. Without any warning, he sent a different guide to accompany us for the entire trip (with a flimsy excuse).
Several parts of the signed quote weren’t respected:
– Services included in the quote but not provided on-site (meals, water), – Hotels we’d chosen, booked, and paid for were swapped for lower-category places, – Visits were canceled because the timing wasn’t calculated properly, – One stop on the itinerary was dropped without any reason or explanation.
We’d paid a deposit for domestic flights, with a promise to refund any overpayment. A month after returning, 150 € per person (there were three of us) still hasn’t been refunded.
I’m sharing this to warn fellow travelers about the importance of solid guarantees to ensure contracts are actually honored. Double-check everything before committing!
Wishing everyone safe and smooth travel prep—Ethiopia is an incredible country!
--- Hello,
Feedback following a recent trip to Ethiopia, organized with a local guide.
Despite a signed quote, numerous preparatory exchanges over eight months, and phone calls right up until the day of departure, the guide did not fulfill his commitments. Haile Haftu FANUAILE, manager of the agency www.charmethiopiantours.com with whom we had organized everything, did not meet us as agreed upon our arrival in Addis Ababa; without warning us, he sent another guide in his place to accompany us throughout the trip (with a bogus excuse).
Several points in the signed quote were not honored: – services included in the quote but not provided on site (meals, water), – hotels chosen, booked, and paid for, replaced by lower-category establishments, – visits canceled due to lack of time, which had not been calculated correctly, – one stop on the itinerary canceled without reason or explanation.
A deposit had been paid for the booking of domestic flights, with a commitment to refund the overpayment. To date, one month after our return, 150 € per person (there were three of us) has still not been refunded.
This testimony is intended to alert travelers to the importance of solid guarantees for contracts that are actually honored, so that everyone can be extra vigilant before committing.
Good luck with your travel preparations, everyone. Ethiopia is an extraordinary country!
Here’s my feedback after a recent trip to Ethiopia, organized with a local guide.
Despite a signed quote, months of prep exchanges (over eight months!), and phone calls right up to departure day, the guide didn’t honor the commitments we’d agreed on.
Haile Haftu FANUAILE, manager of the agency www.charmethiopiantours.com—who we’d organized everything with—didn’t meet us as promised when we arrived in Addis Ababa. Without any warning, he sent a different guide to accompany us for the entire trip (with a flimsy excuse).
Several parts of the signed quote weren’t respected:
– Services included in the quote but not provided on-site (meals, water), – Hotels we’d chosen, booked, and paid for were swapped for lower-category places, – Visits were canceled because the timing wasn’t calculated properly, – One stop on the itinerary was dropped without any reason or explanation.
We’d paid a deposit for domestic flights, with a promise to refund any overpayment. A month after returning, 150 € per person (there were three of us) still hasn’t been refunded.
I’m sharing this to warn fellow travelers about the importance of solid guarantees to ensure contracts are actually honored. Double-check everything before committing!
Wishing everyone safe and smooth travel prep—Ethiopia is an incredible country!
--- Hello,
Feedback following a recent trip to Ethiopia, organized with a local guide.
Despite a signed quote, numerous preparatory exchanges over eight months, and phone calls right up until the day of departure, the guide did not fulfill his commitments. Haile Haftu FANUAILE, manager of the agency www.charmethiopiantours.com with whom we had organized everything, did not meet us as agreed upon our arrival in Addis Ababa; without warning us, he sent another guide in his place to accompany us throughout the trip (with a bogus excuse).
Several points in the signed quote were not honored: – services included in the quote but not provided on site (meals, water), – hotels chosen, booked, and paid for, replaced by lower-category establishments, – visits canceled due to lack of time, which had not been calculated correctly, – one stop on the itinerary canceled without reason or explanation.
A deposit had been paid for the booking of domestic flights, with a commitment to refund the overpayment. To date, one month after our return, 150 € per person (there were three of us) has still not been refunded.
This testimony is intended to alert travelers to the importance of solid guarantees for contracts that are actually honored, so that everyone can be extra vigilant before committing.
Good luck with your travel preparations, everyone. Ethiopia is an extraordinary country!
Hello,
With so many agencies out there, we're feeling a bit lost. Could you please share your experience—like recommending your agency if you were happy with them—and tell us why, and if possible, what budget we should expect? Feel free to send it in a private message :)
We’re just the two of us, and ideally, we’d like to go in a 4x4 alone or with another couple, or in a very small group.
Thanks so much in advance!
We’re just the two of us, and ideally, we’d like to go in a 4x4 alone or with another couple, or in a very small group.
Thanks so much in advance!
Hi there,
I’ve reached out to a few agencies for a week-long family safari next summer before heading to Zanzibar.
So far, the itinerary looks like this: Day 1: Late arrival at JRO and overnight in Arusha Day 2: Drive to Tarangire, park visit, and overnight in Tarangire Day 3: Tarangire, drive to and overnight in Karatu Day 4: Ngorongoro and overnight in Ngorongoro Day 5: Drive to Serengeti and safari in Seronera Day 6: Serengeti and overnight near Lobo Day 7: Serengeti and overnight in Seronera Day 8: Flight from Seronera to Zanzibar
On paper, it covers "everything," but maybe there’s a bit too much time lost on the road... Any alternatives?
To simplify (and cut costs), I was thinking: Day 1: Late arrival at JRO and overnight in Arusha Day 2: Arusha National Park with a walking safari and meeting the Maasai (?) Day 3: Drive to Tarangire, park visit, and overnight in Tarangire Day 4: Full day in Tarangire Day 5: Tarangire, drive to and overnight in Karatu Day 6: Ngorongoro and overnight in Ngorongoro Day 7: Morning in Manyara or Natron and drive to JRO Day 8: Flight to Zanzibar
Your thoughts and recommendations are welcome... Thanks
So far, the itinerary looks like this: Day 1: Late arrival at JRO and overnight in Arusha Day 2: Drive to Tarangire, park visit, and overnight in Tarangire Day 3: Tarangire, drive to and overnight in Karatu Day 4: Ngorongoro and overnight in Ngorongoro Day 5: Drive to Serengeti and safari in Seronera Day 6: Serengeti and overnight near Lobo Day 7: Serengeti and overnight in Seronera Day 8: Flight from Seronera to Zanzibar
On paper, it covers "everything," but maybe there’s a bit too much time lost on the road... Any alternatives?
To simplify (and cut costs), I was thinking: Day 1: Late arrival at JRO and overnight in Arusha Day 2: Arusha National Park with a walking safari and meeting the Maasai (?) Day 3: Drive to Tarangire, park visit, and overnight in Tarangire Day 4: Full day in Tarangire Day 5: Tarangire, drive to and overnight in Karatu Day 6: Ngorongoro and overnight in Ngorongoro Day 7: Morning in Manyara or Natron and drive to JRO Day 8: Flight to Zanzibar
Your thoughts and recommendations are welcome... Thanks
Hi everyone,
We have the opportunity to spend about ten days somewhere for Christmas, and I’m really tempted by Zanzibar. I’ve been dreaming for a long time about the Spice Island, Stone Town, diving...
Which hotels could you recommend? Not a big "resort"—we’re more into "boutique hotels" or even an Airbnb house. Somewhere quiet (we’re not party animals).
I’m thinking of staying the first few nights in Stone Town and then moving to a beach, preferably one where we can swim regardless of the tides, without ending up in seaweed and mud at low tide.
I’m a bit lost with all the beaches because apparently, the north is very crowded, the south is very windy, and the east has some good and some not-so-good spots, with big tides or not... HELP! 🤪
I’d like to limit myself to a maximum of 2 different places to stay over the 10 days.
Thanks in advance! 😉
We have the opportunity to spend about ten days somewhere for Christmas, and I’m really tempted by Zanzibar. I’ve been dreaming for a long time about the Spice Island, Stone Town, diving...
Which hotels could you recommend? Not a big "resort"—we’re more into "boutique hotels" or even an Airbnb house. Somewhere quiet (we’re not party animals).
I’m thinking of staying the first few nights in Stone Town and then moving to a beach, preferably one where we can swim regardless of the tides, without ending up in seaweed and mud at low tide.
I’m a bit lost with all the beaches because apparently, the north is very crowded, the south is very windy, and the east has some good and some not-so-good spots, with big tides or not... HELP! 🤪
I’d like to limit myself to a maximum of 2 different places to stay over the 10 days.
Thanks in advance! 😉
hi there
I’m reaching out because I don’t understand how Volcanoes National Park works. I looked at booking for the gorillas, but there’s just the price listed, and the same goes for the Diane Fossey tomb.
So I contacted a hotel in Kinigi, and they told me that for the gorillas, you need a car to get to the park headquarters, and then once you know your group, you need to get from the headquarters to the trekking start point?? Do you confirm this? Is that really how it works? They say the hotel has a driver and it would cost 100 DOLLARS!! I just found out that on top of the permit, there are other fees??? Uhh… Are there other options, knowing I don’t want to rent a 4x4 since I’m traveling alone?
And if I don’t get the gorilla permit but just want to visit the Diane Fossey tomb, is it the same issue? From Kinigi, do you need a 4x4? How far is the tomb from the headquarters? Is it a hike you can do alone OR DO YOU NEED A GUIDE, ON FOOT? By car?? If someone could explain everything to me… and is the DF Foundation different??
If I decide to go through an agency, is it possible in Musanze (which would save me trips) or is it mandatory to go through Kigali? Thanks so much for your help… Best regards
I’m reaching out because I don’t understand how Volcanoes National Park works. I looked at booking for the gorillas, but there’s just the price listed, and the same goes for the Diane Fossey tomb.
So I contacted a hotel in Kinigi, and they told me that for the gorillas, you need a car to get to the park headquarters, and then once you know your group, you need to get from the headquarters to the trekking start point?? Do you confirm this? Is that really how it works? They say the hotel has a driver and it would cost 100 DOLLARS!! I just found out that on top of the permit, there are other fees??? Uhh… Are there other options, knowing I don’t want to rent a 4x4 since I’m traveling alone?
And if I don’t get the gorilla permit but just want to visit the Diane Fossey tomb, is it the same issue? From Kinigi, do you need a 4x4? How far is the tomb from the headquarters? Is it a hike you can do alone OR DO YOU NEED A GUIDE, ON FOOT? By car?? If someone could explain everything to me… and is the DF Foundation different??
If I decide to go through an agency, is it possible in Musanze (which would save me trips) or is it mandatory to go through Kigali? Thanks so much for your help… Best regards
Hey everyone,
I’m in the middle of planning a road trip in Southern Africa, and I’m specifically working on the itinerary—especially the distances.
I’ve got the time, but I’m struggling with the transfer days (so much driving just to end up spending the whole day on the road). That’s why I’m trying to analyze travel times, even if it means adding extra stops.
My highlights in Zimbabwe would be: - Hwange - Victoria Falls (and maybe Matusadona) - Mana Pools - Harare - Gonarezhou - Great Zimbabwe
But the distances and travel times seem huge (over 4 hours each time), and I don’t see how to make the drives more chill or shorten them—even if it means adding stops (but which ones?) between each leg.
Would anyone be able to estimate the travel time between these highlights and maybe suggest some nice stops to take breaks?
I’m in the middle of planning a road trip in Southern Africa, and I’m specifically working on the itinerary—especially the distances.
I’ve got the time, but I’m struggling with the transfer days (so much driving just to end up spending the whole day on the road). That’s why I’m trying to analyze travel times, even if it means adding extra stops.
My highlights in Zimbabwe would be: - Hwange - Victoria Falls (and maybe Matusadona) - Mana Pools - Harare - Gonarezhou - Great Zimbabwe
But the distances and travel times seem huge (over 4 hours each time), and I don’t see how to make the drives more chill or shorten them—even if it means adding stops (but which ones?) between each leg.
Would anyone be able to estimate the travel time between these highlights and maybe suggest some nice stops to take breaks?
hi there
I’ve been to Rwanda twice before, in November 1991 and December 1993, mostly for solidarity work. I’m looking into going back this November or December for three weeks, but I’m a bit hesitant when I see the tourist offerings—it’s so far from how I like to travel...
I travel solo using public transport and stay in places like guesthouses (GH), or accommodations run by cooperatives, associations, or religious groups. I love villages, markets, hikes, and local crafts. So far, my searches for these kinds of lodging options haven’t turned up much.
For now, I’m considering visiting (in no particular order):
Butare: Kibeho, Bisesero, Nyanza Ngenda Akagera, Kibungo, Lake Muazi Dian Fossey’s tomb (with the possibility of seeing gorillas) Kibuye??? Is the political situation stable there? Or Cyangugu?
So here are my first questions: -Is French still widely spoken? -Are there lists of the types of accommodations I mentioned above, or places to find that info? -Is what I’m planning doable using public transport? From the towns, are moto-taxis still available to get to villages, sites, and—most importantly—back? -Is it possible to go hiking solo? -Which are the best markets and what days are they held?
I know that’s a lot of questions already, and I really appreciate any relevant answers you can share. Looking forward to exchanging more!
I’ve been to Rwanda twice before, in November 1991 and December 1993, mostly for solidarity work. I’m looking into going back this November or December for three weeks, but I’m a bit hesitant when I see the tourist offerings—it’s so far from how I like to travel...
I travel solo using public transport and stay in places like guesthouses (GH), or accommodations run by cooperatives, associations, or religious groups. I love villages, markets, hikes, and local crafts. So far, my searches for these kinds of lodging options haven’t turned up much.
For now, I’m considering visiting (in no particular order):
Butare: Kibeho, Bisesero, Nyanza Ngenda Akagera, Kibungo, Lake Muazi Dian Fossey’s tomb (with the possibility of seeing gorillas) Kibuye??? Is the political situation stable there? Or Cyangugu?
So here are my first questions: -Is French still widely spoken? -Are there lists of the types of accommodations I mentioned above, or places to find that info? -Is what I’m planning doable using public transport? From the towns, are moto-taxis still available to get to villages, sites, and—most importantly—back? -Is it possible to go hiking solo? -Which are the best markets and what days are they held?
I know that’s a lot of questions already, and I really appreciate any relevant answers you can share. Looking forward to exchanging more!
Hi everyone,
I’m planning my next trip in September, and after two self-drive trips to Botswana last year, I’d love to explore Kruger. Since I’m used to camping, I’m thinking of renting an equipped van from Kitted Africa (a small Suzuki van—thanks Safari Expert!) to sleep in a tent and occasionally in a hut.
Here’s my provisional itinerary, and I’d love to hear your thoughts if you don’t mind. I’ve got 13 nights to plan in Kruger. The rental company is based in Nelspruit.
Entering from the south: 14-15-16.09: 3 nights at Crocodile Bridge or Lower Sabie 17-18-19.09: 3 nights at Skukuza 20-21.09: 2 nights at Satara 22-23-24.09: 3 nights at Olifants 25-26.09: 2 nights at Tamboti or Talamati
Exiting the park on 27.09 via Orpen Gate, then heading to Blyde River Canyon for a night in a hotel or elsewhere. 28.09: Return to Nelspruit, drop off the van, and stay in a hotel. 29.09 (midday): Airlink flight to Johannesburg, then an evening return flight to GVA.
What do you think? Too many nights here, not enough there?
I’ll be traveling solo, I love driving, and I enjoy settling in the middle of nature to listen, observe, and take photos (Botswana was perfect for that).
Thanks in advance! Nicole Photo: Baines Baobab, Botswana, April 2025
I’m planning my next trip in September, and after two self-drive trips to Botswana last year, I’d love to explore Kruger. Since I’m used to camping, I’m thinking of renting an equipped van from Kitted Africa (a small Suzuki van—thanks Safari Expert!) to sleep in a tent and occasionally in a hut.
Here’s my provisional itinerary, and I’d love to hear your thoughts if you don’t mind. I’ve got 13 nights to plan in Kruger. The rental company is based in Nelspruit.
Entering from the south: 14-15-16.09: 3 nights at Crocodile Bridge or Lower Sabie 17-18-19.09: 3 nights at Skukuza 20-21.09: 2 nights at Satara 22-23-24.09: 3 nights at Olifants 25-26.09: 2 nights at Tamboti or Talamati
Exiting the park on 27.09 via Orpen Gate, then heading to Blyde River Canyon for a night in a hotel or elsewhere. 28.09: Return to Nelspruit, drop off the van, and stay in a hotel. 29.09 (midday): Airlink flight to Johannesburg, then an evening return flight to GVA.
What do you think? Too many nights here, not enough there?
I’ll be traveling solo, I love driving, and I enjoy settling in the middle of nature to listen, observe, and take photos (Botswana was perfect for that).
Thanks in advance! Nicole Photo: Baines Baobab, Botswana, April 2025
I’d like to return to Africa and stay in a lodge where I can see animals—not necessarily the Big Five—without needing any transport once I arrive at the lodge, and at a price under $250 per day for two people with full board. The week-long stay is planned for late June into early July. I’m looking for suggestions. Thanks in advance!
Hi, I’d like to travel to Ethiopia as a solo 60-year-old woman, backpacking style, between December 2025 and January 2026.
I’m wondering about the current state of the country: unrest, safety concerns, etc.
Government websites advise against going, saying it’s too dangerous.
But I’m skeptical—they tend to be overly cautious.
So I’m looking for reliable information, though I’m not sure where to find it.
Thanks in advance!
Hello,
We’re a group of four seventy-something retirees and we’re planning a 4-week trip to South Africa. We’re seasoned "adventurers" used to multi-week stays (we’ve been to India seven times, Mexico, Thailand, Laos, Myanmar, Australia, etc.).
For South Africa, we’re thinking of covering most of the trip in a private vehicle and taking flights for inter-state transfers. We’re interested in meeting people, learning about the country’s evolution, exploring major cities, visiting traditional villages, and seeing wildlife.
Here’s the itinerary we’re considering: Johannesburg – 2 days (we’ll pass through again later) Pretoria – 2 days Blyde River Canyon and Graskop – 1 day Acornhoek – 1 day Letaba – 2 days Lobamba – 2 days Johannesburg – 1 day
Flight to Cape Town
Cape Town – 3 days Cape of Good Hope – 1 day Stellenbosch – 1 day Hermanus – 1 day Mossel Bay – 2 days Oudtshoorn Wilderness – 2 days Knysna Port Elizabeth – 2 days Addo Elephant Park
Flight back to Johannesburg
Johannesburg – 1 day
Return to Paris
Could you share your thoughts on this itinerary? We’ll be renting a vehicle to explore both regions. We can easily add 4–5 more days to the trip if needed.
We’re looking at traveling either between April and May 2026 or in October/November 2026.
I’ll follow up later to discuss the best safari options and get a rough budget estimate.
Thanks to everyone who takes the time to read this and share their thoughts!
For South Africa, we’re thinking of covering most of the trip in a private vehicle and taking flights for inter-state transfers. We’re interested in meeting people, learning about the country’s evolution, exploring major cities, visiting traditional villages, and seeing wildlife.
Here’s the itinerary we’re considering: Johannesburg – 2 days (we’ll pass through again later) Pretoria – 2 days Blyde River Canyon and Graskop – 1 day Acornhoek – 1 day Letaba – 2 days Lobamba – 2 days Johannesburg – 1 day
Flight to Cape Town
Cape Town – 3 days Cape of Good Hope – 1 day Stellenbosch – 1 day Hermanus – 1 day Mossel Bay – 2 days Oudtshoorn Wilderness – 2 days Knysna Port Elizabeth – 2 days Addo Elephant Park
Flight back to Johannesburg
Johannesburg – 1 day
Return to Paris
Could you share your thoughts on this itinerary? We’ll be renting a vehicle to explore both regions. We can easily add 4–5 more days to the trip if needed.
We’re looking at traveling either between April and May 2026 or in October/November 2026.
I’ll follow up later to discuss the best safari options and get a rough budget estimate.
Thanks to everyone who takes the time to read this and share their thoughts!



