Petit hôtel de charme à Phuket: encore possible?
by Domih
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Existe-t-il à Phuket encore un petit hôtel de charme (peu de chambre) pas trop cher sur une plage où la baignade est possible même à marée basse ? Nous ne connaissons pas cette région de la Thaïlande. Nous savons qu'il y a des petites îles merveilleuses et préservées dans d'autres endroits (koh kood que l'on adore par ex...) mais cette fois-ci santé oblige, nous devons rester dans un endroit touristique, facile d'accès, avec structures médicales accessibles au cas où. Bien sur quand on recherche, on ne trouve sur cette île que des hôtels tres chers et qui ne correspondent pas à ce que l'on aime, simplicité, tranquillité, authenticité et beauté du lieu, avec possibilité de se ballader à pieds, d'aller manger dans des petits restaus, un temple pas très loin, un vrai village et non une succession de resorts...
Merci d'avance de votre aide,
Dernière quinzaine d'avril et pas trop cher : 50 euros... ou si c'est fabuleux un peu plus, à voir... vous avez une super adresse ?
avril c'est juste fin de saison mais encore la haute saison (en principe jusque fin avril )
attention la période autour du 14 avril c’est la periode du Nouvel an Thailandais donc l’une des rares semaines de vacance des thais tout est bloqué réservé complet ! si c'est après le 17 avril ca va tout redevient plus calme
50 euro a cette saison et dans cette région il suffit de faire une recherche sur www.booking.com pour vous donner une petite idée de ce que vous pouvez trouver en avril sur le coin pour 50 euro
je ne dis pas que cela n'existe pas ; je suis bien placé pour savoir qu'on trouve des choses fabuleuses et de grandes qualité en Thailande , mais dans le budget que vous mentionnez , malheureusement ce n’est pas la catégorie dont je m'occupe et n'ai pas d'adresse précise a vous donner
50 euro a cette saison et dans cette région il suffit de faire une recherche sur www.booking.com pour vous donner une petite idée de ce que vous pouvez trouver en avril sur le coin pour 50 euro
je ne dis pas que cela n'existe pas ; je suis bien placé pour savoir qu'on trouve des choses fabuleuses et de grandes qualité en Thailande , mais dans le budget que vous mentionnez , malheureusement ce n’est pas la catégorie dont je m'occupe et n'ai pas d'adresse précise a vous donner
ok nos dates seront plutot après le 20 avril et pour le prix, effectivement j'ai déjà vu que 50 euros c'est trop juste pour un bel endroit dans cette région. Je suis preneuse de vos adresses (mais pas plus de 100 euros, c'est notre limite et on partira moins longtemps - genre 7 nuits)
Voir le Baan chaba sur la plage de Kamala,
On en parle souvent sur VF 😉
puisque en vérité vous ne trouverez fort probablement rien qui corresponde a l'ensemble des critères que vous annonciez au départ) ) et notamment le "petit hotel de charme" qui ressemble a ce qu'on trouve sur KohKood
si c’est juste vol + 7 nuits bord de mer dans un hotel en zone touristique ( d'évidence a ce que vous mentionnez ce sera Phuket Kata ou Kamala ou simplement nord de Phuket vers TakuaPa ??) alors au risque d'en faire hurler certains, la meilleure formule, en terme de rapport qualité prix, c’est tres probablement le forfait vol + hôtel bord de mer vendu par des gros TO qui ont négocié longtemps d'avance les vols a vraiment pas cher et des hotels de groupe et précisemment pour des periodes de fin de saison ou non classiques ou ils peinent a trouver du monde pour remplir leurs hotels ; car fin avril debut mai en Thailande, c'est plutot une periode assez creuse ou quasiment creuse surtout a Phuket (puisque c'ets le debut de la basse saison tarifaire)
et la alors probablement pourrez vous passer, a budget équivalent , nettement au dessus de ce que vous avez vu en direct hotel seulement !
vous seriez dans un périple itinérant, en dehors des chemins classiques et en mode "solo" je n'aurais pas du tout la même position (d'autant que mon activité au quotidien est exactement a l'inverse de ce que font les gros TO ) mais la ca me semble plutot une bonne solution
il faut savoir utiliser les gros TO pour ce qu'ils savent faire a savoir le "standard" et rien que le "standard" : la négociation a prix plancher des avions + hotels "standard"
si c’est juste vol + 7 nuits bord de mer dans un hotel en zone touristique ( d'évidence a ce que vous mentionnez ce sera Phuket Kata ou Kamala ou simplement nord de Phuket vers TakuaPa ??) alors au risque d'en faire hurler certains, la meilleure formule, en terme de rapport qualité prix, c’est tres probablement le forfait vol + hôtel bord de mer vendu par des gros TO qui ont négocié longtemps d'avance les vols a vraiment pas cher et des hotels de groupe et précisemment pour des periodes de fin de saison ou non classiques ou ils peinent a trouver du monde pour remplir leurs hotels ; car fin avril debut mai en Thailande, c'est plutot une periode assez creuse ou quasiment creuse surtout a Phuket (puisque c'ets le debut de la basse saison tarifaire)
et la alors probablement pourrez vous passer, a budget équivalent , nettement au dessus de ce que vous avez vu en direct hotel seulement !
vous seriez dans un périple itinérant, en dehors des chemins classiques et en mode "solo" je n'aurais pas du tout la même position (d'autant que mon activité au quotidien est exactement a l'inverse de ce que font les gros TO ) mais la ca me semble plutot une bonne solution
il faut savoir utiliser les gros TO pour ce qu'ils savent faire a savoir le "standard" et rien que le "standard" : la négociation a prix plancher des avions + hotels "standard"
Et bien ce n'est pas gagné ! non on ne va pas passer par un gros TO, on va chercher, fouiner, on a trop l'habitude des voyages en solo en Asie pour aller faire de la plage style tourisme de masse. C'est vrai qu'aller à Phuket ce n'est certainement pas l'idéal... on a bien aussi peur de tomber sur ce que l'on deteste le plus... Et sur Nai Thon Beach ce n'est pas mieux ?
Merci pour cette adresse, je vais voir le site.
a kata ces tres bien a cette epoque pas trop de monde sur la plage
ont trouve de jolie resort pas trop chere mais sur la plage mais elle n'est pas loin
avril ces l'epoque ou ont y est et ces tres bien
mandarine
Kata, je vais voir sur la carte. Je pense en effet que l'on sera juste entre la haute et basse saison. La baie malgré les touristes doit être superbe, on a grand besoin de vacances.... Si vous avez une petite adresse sympa, on est preneurs.
ces annee ont a prix le kata blue resort ver la fin avril il y a aussi le kata country , le kata orient , le monahra cozy village ont les a essayer et c'etait bien
les plage sont belle pas loin et pas beaucoup de monde des petit resto sympa sur la place le bus pour balader a coter de karon des plage tous le long
mandarine
ok je vais voir ces hôtels mais votre avis m'interesse, à cette période c'est comment ? On aimerait pas tomber sur des bandes de fêtards ou du tourisme sexuel, phuket a quand même mauvaise réputation à ce niveau, cela a changé ? pas trop de musique partout dans les restos de plage ? on a pensé aussi si notre budget le permets à l'Andaman White resort, il ya des promos à cette époque et il a l'air petit et dans un coin tranquille, vous connaissez ?
bonjour je ne connais ps cette hotel nous avons ete de ce cote juste un jour en scooter je peux vous dire que kata ne resemble en rien a patong ou il a beaucoup de monde de bar a fille de discoteque ces buillant
kata est un endroit familiale des restos des magasin et la plage est belle et au mois de mars avril pas trop de monde
vous pouvez vous promener le long de la plage de kata a karon super
mandarine
Ha, les plages de Kata, tout ce que j'aime. On ne s’ennuie jamais et en plus on peut parfaire son Russe en parlant avec les Thais.


Ce n'est pas parce que vous êtes la majorité à avoir tort, que vous avez obligatoirement raison
Au secours ! c'est tout ce que l'on déteste.... Espérons que ce n'est qu'une partie de la plage et que cette photo est prise en très haute saison... Mais bon ne rêvons pas Phuket c'est le tourisme de masse, on semble avoir trouvé une bonne adresse, extrêmement cher pour l'Asie mais bon on assume, nous sommes cette année dans une situation particulière.
Pourquoi ne pas dégager directement sur Krabi ? Ao Nang par exemple.
Moins de touristes, plus calme, plus beau, plus dans vos attentes, pas plus loin des hôpitaux de Krabi Town que ceux de Phuket quand tu es à Kata, lieu idéal de départ pour les visites des iles et à 15 minutes de l'époustouflante plage de Railay. ? C'est juste une idée
Ce n'est pas parce que vous êtes la majorité à avoir tort, que vous avez obligatoirement raison
en avril pas de monde ces calme
On est d'accord, mais ça reste l'immonde Phuket
On est d'accord, mais ça reste l'immonde Phuket
Ce n'est pas parce que vous êtes la majorité à avoir tort, que vous avez obligatoirement raison
Bonsoir, nous sommes allés à Naithon Beach en début d'année, petite plage encore à peu près préservé, propre sans trop de touriste. village balnéaire assez banal. Nous sommes resté au même hôtel durant le séjour, prix moyen plus ou moins 40€ selon la chambre. Resto de l'hôtel très joli (super bon) mais franchement j'ai bien mangé a peu près partout. Nous avons loué un scooter 11OCV (5 à 10€/jour). Nous avons arpentés Phuket pendant trois semaines et réussi à voir des parcs superbes, un temple magnifique, un marché traditionnel irréaliste, manger des crevettes dans des guinguettes au bord de l'eau sans personne, approcher des singes à 1 mètre, prendre un verre sur la mangrove et pris les bateaux navetes officiels qui vous amènent sur des îles paradisiaque 10 fois moins cher que les excursions proposées pour touristes et réussis à éviter tout le reste (tourisme de masse et le reste que l'on aime pas 😕)
Un ami thailandais m'a dit "Phuket c'est se que vous en faite". Si vous voulez le nom de l'hôtel vous me dites je vous l'envoie en MP. Bonne préparation. Cordialement. Laurence
Nous avons loué un scooter 11OCV
😏😏😏 Et vous avez arraché le bitume ? 😏😏😏
😏😏😏 Et vous avez arraché le bitume ? 😏😏😏
Ce n'est pas parce que vous êtes la majorité à avoir tort, que vous avez obligatoirement raison
Merci pour votre avis, effectivement je suis persuadée que, comme partout, on peut vivre de supers moments à Phuket. Je suis bien sur intéressée par votre hôtel en MP.
C'est aussi une idée, pourquoi pas, je vais aussi voir du côté de Krabi. C'est bien sur pour la beauté de la baie que l'on vient dans ce coin.
Juste encore un petit mot pour tous vous remercier et vous dire que c'est un grand bonheur de parler voyage, d'échanger sur ce forum, et de repartir vers l'Asie...
Bonsoir, nous sommes allés à Naithon Beach en début d'année, petite plage encore à peu près préservé, propre sans trop de touriste. village balnéaire assez banal. Nous sommes resté au même hôtel durant le séjour, prix moyen plus ou moins 40€ selon la chambre. Resto de l'hôtel très joli (super bon) mais franchement j'ai bien mangé a peu près partout. Nous avons loué un scooter 11OCV (5 à 10€/jour). Nous avons arpentés Phuket pendant trois semaines et réussi à voir des parcs superbes, un temple magnifique, un marché traditionnel irréaliste, manger des crevettes dans des guinguettes au bord de l'eau sans personne, approcher des singes à 1 mètre, prendre un verre sur la mangrove et pris les bateaux navetes officiels qui vous amènent sur des îles paradisiaque 10 fois moins cher que les excursions proposées pour touristes et réussis à éviter tout le reste (tourisme de masse et le reste que l'on aime pas 😕)
Un ami thailandais m'a dit "Phuket c'est se que vous en faite". Si vous voulez le nom de l'hôtel vous me dites je vous l'envoie en MP. Bonne préparation. Cordialement. Laurence
Pourquoi en MP, 🤪 vous êtes sur un Forum 😕😉
Pourquoi en MP, 🤪 vous êtes sur un Forum 😕😉
Oui excusez moi je suis blonde 110CM3 😊
Bonsoir, je pensais que l'on n'avais pas le droit de faire de la PUB. C'est pas compliqué le nom de l'hôtel est le même que la ville le NAITHON BEACH. Cordialement. Laurence
Bonsoir, je pensais que l'on n'avais pas le droit de faire de la PUB. C'est pas compliqué le nom de l'hôtel est le même que la ville le NAITHON BEACH. Cordialement. Laurence
Merci pour l'info 😉
Merci pour l'info 😉
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Does anyone know of a private transfer or taxi company that organizes transfers from the Sukhothai area to Chiang Mai? Our routes are Sukhothai-Lampang, Lampang-Chom Thong, and Chom Thong-Chiang Mai. My searches on Google Maps, 12Go, and others haven’t turned up much...
For our Bangkok-Sukhothai trips, I use a company I’ve already tried, but they don’t have a fleet available from Sukhothai and have to go through third-party companies—which, understandably, take their commission. This nearly doubles the prices...
There are four of us, and we’re not traveling light, so a minibus isn’t an option. ;-)
Thanks for your tips! DrSnuggle
Hello,
While traveling in Thailand, I’m looking for a Buddhist kumlai reed bracelet.
Does anyone know where I can find one?
In Bangkok, I visited a few temples but didn’t see any in the nearby shops.
If you have any ideas, I’d love to hear them! Have a great day! :-)
Hi there
My trip’s coming up, and I’m having a bit of trouble with three bus/minivan routes. Usually, I find everything at this time of year, but this time—yikes!
Sandakan → Sepilok: No app for this one—you just hop on bus #14 at the local terminal (pay cash on board). But where do I catch it, and where’s the stop??
Sandakan → Semporna: From what I’ve heard, it’s the Sida Express company (great name, right? 😄). Can’t book online, but apparently, you *have* to because there’s only one bus at 8 AM. Where do I board, and where does it drop me off?
Semporna → Tawau: Found this via AI—is it legit? No online booking, as far as I can tell. Minivans leave from a stop in the Jalan Hospital area, near the Milimewa supermarket, supposedly???? And when you arrive, does it drop you at **Sabindo Square** in Tawau?????
Thanks for any tips—I’m stuck!
My trip’s coming up, and I’m having a bit of trouble with three bus/minivan routes. Usually, I find everything at this time of year, but this time—yikes!
Sandakan → Sepilok: No app for this one—you just hop on bus #14 at the local terminal (pay cash on board). But where do I catch it, and where’s the stop??
Sandakan → Semporna: From what I’ve heard, it’s the Sida Express company (great name, right? 😄). Can’t book online, but apparently, you *have* to because there’s only one bus at 8 AM. Where do I board, and where does it drop me off?
Semporna → Tawau: Found this via AI—is it legit? No online booking, as far as I can tell. Minivans leave from a stop in the Jalan Hospital area, near the Milimewa supermarket, supposedly???? And when you arrive, does it drop you at **Sabindo Square** in Tawau?????
Thanks for any tips—I’m stuck!
Hi there,
we’ll be in Mai Chau in June and we’re thinking of heading to Sapa, but first spending a few days in Bac Ha to do some hiking and explore the area.
Is this a good idea for those who’ve been there?
How do you get there?
Thanks for your feedback.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Cédric.
Hi everyone. As I’m planning my trip for next winter, I’m looking for hotel suggestions in Camotes, Bantayan, Malapascua, Bohol, and Siquijor. The ones I had in mind seem to be fully booked (unless it’s too early?). For those familiar with the area, is it easy to find accommodations on the spot in January/February? I’m specifically looking for hotels with a pool, beachfront, air conditioning, and easy scooter rental nearby. Thanks for your tips!
Hi there,
I’m planning an itinerary and would love some feedback on whether it’s doable and if the number of days per destination is enough—or too much. I was also debating whether to add an extra night on an island or spend an extra night in Kampot to visit Kep or Battambang.
March 23: Arrival in Phnom Penh in the morning March 24: Phnom Penh March 25: Phnom Penh March 26: Depart for Kampot March 27: Kampot March 28: Depart for Battambang March 29: Battambang March 30: Tonlé SAP to Siem Reap March 31: Siem Reap April 1: Siem Reap April 2: Siem Reap April 3: Siem Reap April 4: Siem Reap April 5: Departure
Thanks for any suggestions or help!
March 23: Arrival in Phnom Penh in the morning March 24: Phnom Penh March 25: Phnom Penh March 26: Depart for Kampot March 27: Kampot March 28: Depart for Battambang March 29: Battambang March 30: Tonlé SAP to Siem Reap March 31: Siem Reap April 1: Siem Reap April 2: Siem Reap April 3: Siem Reap April 4: Siem Reap April 5: Departure
Thanks for any suggestions or help!
Hi there,
Yesterday in the Thailand section, 100% of the new threads were just about beach destinations 😕...
So here’s the counterattack in the form of this photo thread, dedicated solely to the countryside: the locals, their livestock, fields, farms, rice paddies, small rivers, and agricultural machinery. If you’ve got any pictures that fit these categories, feel free to add them!
Comments welcome.
For each photo, I’ll (or you can) indicate the area where it was taken.
Kanchanaburi:
Kanchanaburi:
Sri Chiangmai:
Soppong:
Tha Wang Pha:
Kanchanaburi:

Kanchanaburi:

Sri Chiangmai:

Soppong:

Tha Wang Pha:

🙂 Hi everyone!
Hope you're all doing well! It's been a while since I last traveled, but I'm finally heading out again soon!
For those familiar with SOUTHEAST ASIA, I'm planning to leave in mid-June (with the trip ending at the latest in November), and I don’t have a precise idea of exact places or itineraries yet. The thing is, this period is usually the rainy season...
Any advice? I was thinking of Malaysia or Indonesia, like Sulawesi, for example (all countries and islands in Southeast Asia interest me except Bali).
Any recommendations? I’m doing my research online, but if anyone here has the time and knowledge, I’d love to hear from you.
Thanks everyone, take care and stay happy! ❤️
Hope you're all doing well! It's been a while since I last traveled, but I'm finally heading out again soon!
For those familiar with SOUTHEAST ASIA, I'm planning to leave in mid-June (with the trip ending at the latest in November), and I don’t have a precise idea of exact places or itineraries yet. The thing is, this period is usually the rainy season...
Any advice? I was thinking of Malaysia or Indonesia, like Sulawesi, for example (all countries and islands in Southeast Asia interest me except Bali).
Any recommendations? I’m doing my research online, but if anyone here has the time and knowledge, I’d love to hear from you.
Thanks everyone, take care and stay happy! ❤️
Hi there,
My partner and I are planning a trip to Indonesia in September-October 2026. It’ll be our first time in Asia, and we’re thinking of hitting the classic spots in East Java and Bali, then wrapping up with a cruise around Komodo for some snorkeling/diving. Here’s a rough draft of our itinerary—I’m wondering if it’s doable.
20/09: Flight from Jakarta to Yogyakarta, arrive around noon, afternoon/evening and overnight in Yogyakarta. 21/09: Borobudur 22/09: Prambanan 23/09: Travel to Bromo (Cemoro Lawang) 24/09: Bromo 25/09: Kawa Ijen 26/09: Travel to Bali, overnight in Pemuteran 27/09: Excursion to Pulau Melujan, overnight in Pemuteran 28/09: Travel to Munduk, overnight in Munduk 29/09: Explore Munduk and surroundings, overnight in Munduk 30/09: Explore Munduk and surroundings, overnight in Munduk 01/10: Route to Ubud (via Pura Ulu Danau Bratan, Jatiluwih?), overnight in Ubud 02/10: Explore Ubud and surroundings, overnight in Ubud 03/10: Explore Ubud and surroundings, overnight in Ubud 04/10: Travel to Denpasar, flight to Labuan Bajo, overnight in Labuan Bajo 05/10: Komodo cruise 06/10: Komodo cruise 07/10: Komodo cruise, flight to Denpasar in the late afternoon/evening or overnight in Labuan Bajo. 08/10: Flight to Denpasar (if not taken the day before), afternoon in Jimbaran, overnight near Denpasar 09/10: 10:00 AM flight Denpasar - SIN, overnight in Singapore 10/10: Flight SIN-YQB
Thanks for your thoughts—and for your time!
My partner and I are planning a trip to Indonesia in September-October 2026. It’ll be our first time in Asia, and we’re thinking of hitting the classic spots in East Java and Bali, then wrapping up with a cruise around Komodo for some snorkeling/diving. Here’s a rough draft of our itinerary—I’m wondering if it’s doable.
20/09: Flight from Jakarta to Yogyakarta, arrive around noon, afternoon/evening and overnight in Yogyakarta. 21/09: Borobudur 22/09: Prambanan 23/09: Travel to Bromo (Cemoro Lawang) 24/09: Bromo 25/09: Kawa Ijen 26/09: Travel to Bali, overnight in Pemuteran 27/09: Excursion to Pulau Melujan, overnight in Pemuteran 28/09: Travel to Munduk, overnight in Munduk 29/09: Explore Munduk and surroundings, overnight in Munduk 30/09: Explore Munduk and surroundings, overnight in Munduk 01/10: Route to Ubud (via Pura Ulu Danau Bratan, Jatiluwih?), overnight in Ubud 02/10: Explore Ubud and surroundings, overnight in Ubud 03/10: Explore Ubud and surroundings, overnight in Ubud 04/10: Travel to Denpasar, flight to Labuan Bajo, overnight in Labuan Bajo 05/10: Komodo cruise 06/10: Komodo cruise 07/10: Komodo cruise, flight to Denpasar in the late afternoon/evening or overnight in Labuan Bajo. 08/10: Flight to Denpasar (if not taken the day before), afternoon in Jimbaran, overnight near Denpasar 09/10: 10:00 AM flight Denpasar - SIN, overnight in Singapore 10/10: Flight SIN-YQB
Thanks for your thoughts—and for your time!
Hi everyone,
My girlfriend and I booked our tickets with Saudia Airlines for a trip to Thailand this summer, from July 5th to August 3rd. Given the geopolitical situation in the Middle East, we’re keeping a close eye on the news.
I was wondering if anyone here is in the same situation as us?
• Have you heard anything about possible mass cancellations or if the airline is still maintaining its routes to Asia?
• Are there any travelers who’ve recently returned who could tell us if air corridors have been changed (longer flight times)?
The idea is to know what to expect so we can prepare as best as possible. Thanks for your replies! !
Hi everyone,
Thanks for all your contributions on the forum—they’ve really helped me plan my trip. There are four of us friends heading to Sulawesi for 20 days. Based on all your advice, I’ve put together the following itinerary:
July 30: Makassar – sightseeing July 31: Makassar – sightseeing + overnight bus to Rantepao August 1–7: Tana Toraja with a guide August 7: Tana Toraja to Tentena + visit Tentena August 8: Early departure with a private driver to Ampana, then ferry to the Togian Islands August 9–15: Togian Islands (2 different resorts) August 15: Depart Togian Islands for Luwuk August 16: Flight Luwuk to Makassar August 17: Rammang Rammang August 18: Stroll in Makassar, then return home
Overall, what do you think?
I also have a question about the connection between Tentena and the Togian Islands: Is it doable to leave early in the morning as planned and still be sure not to miss the ferry?
Thanks in advance for your feedback! :)
Thanks for all your contributions on the forum—they’ve really helped me plan my trip. There are four of us friends heading to Sulawesi for 20 days. Based on all your advice, I’ve put together the following itinerary:
July 30: Makassar – sightseeing July 31: Makassar – sightseeing + overnight bus to Rantepao August 1–7: Tana Toraja with a guide August 7: Tana Toraja to Tentena + visit Tentena August 8: Early departure with a private driver to Ampana, then ferry to the Togian Islands August 9–15: Togian Islands (2 different resorts) August 15: Depart Togian Islands for Luwuk August 16: Flight Luwuk to Makassar August 17: Rammang Rammang August 18: Stroll in Makassar, then return home
Overall, what do you think?
I also have a question about the connection between Tentena and the Togian Islands: Is it doable to leave early in the morning as planned and still be sure not to miss the ferry?
Thanks in advance for your feedback! :)
Hi everyone,
I’m currently working on a 30-day itinerary for May/June 2027.
10 days in eastern Java (Malang, Bromo, waterfalls, Meru Beriti Park, Banyuwangi, and Ijen), a short transit in Ubud for a few days, then Flores before heading back to Jakarta.
We’ll spend 15 days in Flores (the classic route: Moni, Bajawa, Riung, Ruteng, ending in Labuan Bajo).
I’d love some firsthand feedback on flights to Maumere or Ende from Bali Denpasar. I know there are no direct routes and that you have to connect through Labuan Bajo or Timor (I think), which isn’t an issue in itself.
But I’ve read here and there that flights to these destinations can be delayed—or worse, canceled—and that it’s better to fly in and out of Labuan Bajo, which isn’t exactly ideal...
Thanks for any tips or experiences you can share!






