Traversée Espagne/Maroc juillet 2016
by Gnkti
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Bonjour,
lors de 4 précédents road trip en moto au Maroc, nous avons pris les lignes Ferry depuis Sète ou Barcelone.
Cette année nous partons seuls début Juillet en DEF aménagé et compte tenu des prix prohibitifs en cette saison (+ fin de Ramadan), nous pensons rejoindre le sud de l'Espagne pour traverser.
Selon vos expériences, quels seraient les bons plans "traversée" avec leurs avantages et inconvénients (Améria, Motril ou Algegiras ? Nador ou Melilla ?).
Notre destination est plutôt axée dans le massif du M'Goun, je pensais rejoindre Midelt depuis l'Est, les bivouacs seront préférés sans oublier quelques passages en auberges bien entendu.
Nous sommes également ouverts à faire un bout de route et/ou de piste avec nos rencontres inopinées.
Bonne journée et bons trip
Bonjour
je me rend moi et ma famille (mon épouse et 3 enfants ) souvent au Maroc 1 fois l'an au minimum ou 2 fois, j'ai une fois fais le trajet Sete tanger en ferry avec Comanav a l'époque et je l'ai beaucoup regretté 36h a s'emmerder ferme dans un bateau ou tout est cher sauf les clopes bref depuis cette expérience je prend systématiquement la route jusqu'à algésiras puis ferry jusqu'à tanger (med depuis quelques années) et pose repos sur les aires d'autoroutes jamais de problème sauf dans le nord près de Barcelone . Au bilan avec l'attente a algesiras on va un peu plus vite qu'avec le ferry , cela coute moins cher surtout en juillet ou aoutet on découvre un peu l'Espagne même si l'on ne s'y arrête pas beaucoup. Certains de mes amis font le trajet de strasbourg vers algesiras en une journée en semaine et départ vers 3hpour arrivé vers 23h30 allez bon voyage
je me rend moi et ma famille (mon épouse et 3 enfants ) souvent au Maroc 1 fois l'an au minimum ou 2 fois, j'ai une fois fais le trajet Sete tanger en ferry avec Comanav a l'époque et je l'ai beaucoup regretté 36h a s'emmerder ferme dans un bateau ou tout est cher sauf les clopes bref depuis cette expérience je prend systématiquement la route jusqu'à algésiras puis ferry jusqu'à tanger (med depuis quelques années) et pose repos sur les aires d'autoroutes jamais de problème sauf dans le nord près de Barcelone . Au bilan avec l'attente a algesiras on va un peu plus vite qu'avec le ferry , cela coute moins cher surtout en juillet ou aoutet on découvre un peu l'Espagne même si l'on ne s'y arrête pas beaucoup. Certains de mes amis font le trajet de strasbourg vers algesiras en une journée en semaine et départ vers 3hpour arrivé vers 23h30 allez bon voyage
lario 22
bonjour
aprés plusieurs voyages au Maroc si tu vas vers l est du MAROCje prends Algeciras Ceuta
tu arrives en espagne avec le Ferry
le passage de la frontiére marocaine est moins fréquenté que Tanger med
si tu vas vers le sud ou le centre je prends le ferry a Tarifa vers Tanger ville moins cher plus rapide et moins de monde
bon voyage
si tu vas vers le sud ou le centre je prends le ferry a Tarifa vers Tanger ville moins cher plus rapide et moins de monde
bon voyage
d'après les sites de voyage en ferry FRS est en train de promouvoir sa ligne motril tanger med qui pour une famille de 5 personne en voiture serait environ 100 a 150€ moins cher que par algeciras sur un aller retour cela fait aussi économiser (200 + 200 km ) de route par contre je n'ai pas encore trouver de témoignage en retour d'expérience , perso cela m'intéresse mais j'aimerais en savoir plus notamment les horaires et les rotations (nb de bateaux car le trajet dure quand même 7 h)
lario 22
Bonjour ,
Au final je suis toujours aussi perplexe sur le choix du port de départ et d'arrivée .
Quelle est la solution la plus cool c'est à dire sans, plein de passagers énervés et de douaniers idem, pour se rendre vers Volubilis , le Moyen puis le Haut atlas en 4x4 départ du sud de l'Espagne le lundi 8 août au matin de bonne heure…et de bonne humeur! Une balade en 4x4 équipé pas vraiment préparée ; on a les tomes 1 et 9 de Gandini et un peu moins de 3 semaines sur place . Habitués à l'Afrique australe , on va découvrir le Maroc cet été et expérimenter notre Kunenette( c'est le nom de notre Toy) sur les pistes du Maroc avant de l'expédier en Namibie pour nos très grandes vacances à venir.
voila si vous avez des itinéraires on est preneurs . On ne veut pas "bouffer de la piste" mais savourer notre voyage …quitte à ne pas tout voir : C'est pas grave de ne pas "faire " le Maroc en 3 semaines .
Si vous avez une belle adresse où se poser 2/3 jours entre deux bivouacs alors soyez les bienvenus .
Amitiés voyageuses , Sylvie.
slpb56
Je n'ai pas l'habitude des tarifs été. En avril-mai, j'ai payé 280 € pour Barcelone-Tanger (avec cabine d'équipage solo et le 4x4 !) Pas comparable comme tarif, mais même à 540 €, ça me semble gagnant : Algesiras, faut y aller, et en ajoutant carburant, péages, repas, éventuellement nuitée et, surtout, fatigue. (Sans compter usure-entretien voiture). Et puis, pour la minuscule traversée Espagne-Maroc, j'ai payé, toujours en avril, LA MOITIE du billet Barcelone-Tanger ! 1390 dirhams, soit environ 130 €. C'est vraiment se foutre du monde (par rapport à ce que doit coûter l'armement des énormes ferries). D'accord, c'est long, mais on se repose et on arrive en forme pour rouler et affronter la grosse chaleur du Maroc. Pour moi, mais ce n'est que mon avis personnel et très subjectif, l'Espagne n'a d'intérêt que si on prend quelques jours pour vagabonder un peu vers Valence, Grenade, Seville ou encore Cadix. Parce que leur autoroute entre les champs de plastique (serres à l'infini) et la côte bétonnée à mort une fois quittée la Catalogne, ça manque un peu de poésie. J'en garde un souvenir assez cauchemar...
Y'a plusieurs questions dans ton message. Pour le port d'arrivée et la douane, je ne connais que Tanger Med et Tanger port. Le premier très organisé, mais très chargé, le second plus tranquille. L'attitude, pour douaniers et policiers, est simple : être soi-même, simple, courtois et sans prétentions. le sourire, et trois mots d'arabe (Bonjour Monsieur, merci, etc), ça dépend vraiment l'atmosphère. J'ai même eu des surprises lors des contrôles routiers et excès de vitesse : "Allez, ça va pour cette fois, mais roulez moins vite la prochaine fois."
Pour les bons coins, De Tanger, je file direct sur Azrou chez Ahmed (camping Amazigh). Pour info : ''Amazigh'', ça veut dire berbère, en langue berbère. Ahmed en est un vrai, et il est difficile de trouver un homme plus gentil. Mais si vous vous arrêtez à Volubilis, la visite peut être longue et vous obliger à dormir sur place. un camping très simple, mais décoré de façon très artistisque, à Volubilis. Après, tout dépend où vous allez. Mais dans le Moyen et Haut Atlas, en pays Amazigh, vous serez, partout, très bien accueilli. Et (un peu) épargnés par la chaleur qui, à ce moment, va être infernale. Si vous ne pouvez éviter Marrakech (50° garantis), je vous recommande un lieu étonnant et peu connu : pas le grand camping, au nord de la ville sur la route de Casa mais, au sud, sur la route de l'Ourika, les "Jardins d'Issil". C'est classé ''Maison d'hôte de charme'', en fait plus tôt un immense jardin de rêve, avec, autour d'une grande piscine, des tentes caïdales, maisons africaines, etc, genre dépaysement sympa, et un joli restaurant. C'est tenu par des français, et comme ils aiment les 4x4, il y a une zone qui leur est réservé. Autrement, le Club Med au niveau des équipement, avec un bivouac pour 4x4. Et le prix, pour tout ce luxe : moins cher que dans un camping boui-boui au fin fond du bled. Ca permet d'affronter Marrakech !
quoiqu'il arrive le port de départ et d'arrivé est toujours un choix difficile a cette époque de l'année car il correspond a la période ou les marocains aiment rentrer dans leur pays donc tous les ports sont très chargés des 2 cotés du détroit (opération mahraba oblige) donc choisir au plus direct vers sa destination me semble la meilleur option côté c'est vrai que cela ressemble clairement a de l'abus mais il ne faut pas oublier que ces lignes de ferrys sont régulière et ouverte quasiment toute l'année (sauf jour de tempête) et donc les compagnies se refont une santé en cette période .
voila pour qui veut passer un beau séjour au maroc et pas trop chaud en été je les invitent a faire la côte atlantique car la température est souvent douce en journée voir fraiche la nuit (c'est le départ des alizées du nord et a partir d'Essaouira le vent devient même un bon allié. et visiter ces villes portuaires créer par les espagnols est aussi très sympa d'autant que les amateurs de fruits de mer et de poisson y trouveront leur bonheur ainsi que toute une profusion de fruits et légumes donc a visiter rabat , casa, el Jadida, oualidia, safi Essaouira en toute quiétude
lario 22
Merci Alain pour ta réponse, je crois que tu préconise un départ de BCN mais les prix ont explosé à cette période (1404€…) donc on va descendre jusqu'à Tarifa ou Algesiras, et arriver à Tanger (ou Tanger med); Dernier point est il sûr qu'on puisse se pointer sans réservation au port et trouver un bateau dans la journée …à l'heure qu'on veut ? Amitiés voyageuses Sylvie
slpb56
Merci Bruno pour ta réponse,
Dis moi sur la côte n'y a t il pas trop de monde? On habite en Bretagne et quand je vois le monde en Août ….je pars! c'est pour ça qu'on préferait la montagne , mais bon comme je le disais dans mon premier message pour nous le Maroc c'est l'inconnu , donc peut être on se trompe.
Amitiés voyageuses, Sylvie
slpb56
Tarifs Barcelone : j'avais compris que c'était 540 €. A ce prix là, ça restait valable. A 1440 €, ça devient réservé aux clients du Fouquet's ! (Pauvres Marocains de retour au pays).
Attente à Algésiras : pas d'infos, mais, sans hésitation, je réserverais à l'avance par internet. Voici une adresse, celle de FRS, mais il y en a sans doute d'autres : info@frs.es. Peut-être aussi des possibilités par aFerry, mais pas sûr qu'ils fassent ces petits bacs.
Bonne chance.
C'est vrai que les stations balnéaires des environs de Rabat, mohamedia Casablanca sont très chargés car c'est aussi les vacances pour les marocains mais ce n'est pas encore comparable a la France car ce ne sont guère que les marocains de ces 3 villes qui viennent y séjourner et pas toute l'Europe qui se retrouve sur ces plages , l'infrastructure d'accueil n'y est pas comparable non plus , peu de camping d'hotel etc... seulement des troupeaux de camping car qui suivent la route cotière et s'arrêtent dans chaque parking la nuit mais c'est très sympa.
Personnellement j'ai un appart a sidi rahal et pour être un peu tranquille sur les plages on fait quelques km et on est seul au bord de l'eau avec les enfants.
bon voyage
lario 22
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However, I'm struggling to figure out the route through Kruger Park. I can't seem to find the information I need about getting around.
Coming from the south, I plan to arrive on Day 1 in the early afternoon at Malelane or Crocodile Bridge.
Do some shopping in Malelane (or Crocodile Bridge main area) and stay overnight outside the park.
Leave on Day 2 at 5 AM for the park. Explore the southern part of the park.
Stay overnight around Skukuza or Lower Sabie. (We don’t want to stay in one of the park’s big camps. We’re looking for a lodge around 200 €.
Head out on Day 3 for a self-drive safari, maybe as far as Orpen.
We’d like to stay in a private reserve on nights 4 and 5.
We’re not sure which one or how to get into a private reserve. Do we need to exit Kruger Park?
On Day 5, we’d like to leave to visit Blyde Canyon (on Day 6).
Could you help us with these different locations?
Thanks
Could you help us with these different locations?
Thanks
Hi there,
I’m planning to leave Morocco for the summer but want to leave my 4x4 there to avoid exceeding the famous 6-month limit. I’d like to park it in one of the two Spanish enclaves (Ceuta or Melilla). Does anyone know of people or companies that handle long-term parking (preferably secure) in either place? Once the car is parked, what’s the best way to get back to France using public transport? Is the nearest airport Tanger from Ceuta?... How do I get there easily, etc. etc.
Thanks in advance! Dominique
I’m planning to leave Morocco for the summer but want to leave my 4x4 there to avoid exceeding the famous 6-month limit. I’d like to park it in one of the two Spanish enclaves (Ceuta or Melilla). Does anyone know of people or companies that handle long-term parking (preferably secure) in either place? Once the car is parked, what’s the best way to get back to France using public transport? Is the nearest airport Tanger from Ceuta?... How do I get there easily, etc. etc.
Thanks in advance! Dominique
hello! I’d like to go to Kazakhstan and rent a fitted 4x4 locally so I can drive off-road trails and sleep inside the vehicle... could anyone share some local rental company addresses, please? Thanks! !
Hi,
I'm about to rent a self-drive 4x4 in Mongolia. Has anyone heard of GOBI.RENT? Otherwise, do you have any tips for checking this company since there's no info on their website (e.g., registration number on the RCS)?
Thanks
I'm about to rent a self-drive 4x4 in Mongolia. Has anyone heard of GOBI.RENT? Otherwise, do you have any tips for checking this company since there's no info on their website (e.g., registration number on the RCS)?
Thanks
Hi everyone,
I’m finalizing my trip starting from Namibia. When I arrive in Divundu, I’d like to head straight to the Khwai area early in the morning to one of the campsites in the Khwai Development Trust. Is the drive doable with a good 4x4 in a day? We’ll spend 2 nights in Khwai, then 2 or maybe 3 nights in the Moremi area (Third Bridge/Xakanaxa/Mboma) before heading back to Maun to wrap up our journey. Is that too much time to spend in each place?
We’d also like to do one or two boat excursions in the delta. Any suggestions for the best options and operators?
Thanks in advance for your tips and advice! Best, Patrick
I’m finalizing my trip starting from Namibia. When I arrive in Divundu, I’d like to head straight to the Khwai area early in the morning to one of the campsites in the Khwai Development Trust. Is the drive doable with a good 4x4 in a day? We’ll spend 2 nights in Khwai, then 2 or maybe 3 nights in the Moremi area (Third Bridge/Xakanaxa/Mboma) before heading back to Maun to wrap up our journey. Is that too much time to spend in each place?
We’d also like to do one or two boat excursions in the delta. Any suggestions for the best options and operators?
Thanks in advance for your tips and advice! Best, Patrick
Hi everyone,
I’m planning to explore the western part of Madagascar from May 1st to 5th, specifically to visit the Tsingy. I’ve heard different versions about the road conditions and access to the Tsingy during this time, so I’d love to hear from people who’ve actually made this trip during this time of year.
Have you traveled from Morondava → Tsingy between May 1st and 5th? Was the journey doable and safe? Did you have access to the Grands Tsingy, or just the Petits Tsingy?
Thanks so much for your feedback—it’ll really help me get a clearer picture! 😊 Also, if you have any recommendations for reliable and experienced driver-guides, I’d love to hear them. Thanks again!
Have you traveled from Morondava → Tsingy between May 1st and 5th? Was the journey doable and safe? Did you have access to the Grands Tsingy, or just the Petits Tsingy?
Thanks so much for your feedback—it’ll really help me get a clearer picture! 😊 Also, if you have any recommendations for reliable and experienced driver-guides, I’d love to hear them. Thanks again!






