Traversée des frontières d'Asie à cheval: visas?
by Motema
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
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bonjour
je recherche des informations sur l'obtention de visas(et enveloppes de dessous de table)de la turquie vers l'iran, de l'iran vers le turkménistan, du turkménistan vers l'ouzbekistan et enfin vers le tadjik et kirghiz (istan) voir mongolie.
Est il possible de se les procurer dans les ambassades des dits pays avant de franchir la frontière?Comment s'y préparer...etc plus d'autres questions encore et toujours.
merci
laurine.
La pratique des dessous de table en n'est pas très courante en asie centrale, à part le TDJ où la police de la route n'hésite pas à demander de l'argent à chaque automobiliste.
Pour ce qui est de l'immigration, passes par les voies officielles, ça vaudra mieux. Tenter d'obtenir un visa plus rapidement en proposant un "supplément" ne fera que rajouter des difficultés pour les voyageurs suivant qui demanderont un visa.
Pour les possibilités d'obtention, il est possible de faire tous ces visas depuis la France. Il n'y a pas besoin de visa pour la Turquie (90 jours max) et pour le Kirghizstan (60 jours max). Le visa Iranien de tourisme est long à obtenir en France, beaucoup moins en Turquie. Le visa Turkmène est traité dans plusieurs discussions dans ce forum (c'est assez long à expliquer dans un poste). Le visa Ouzbek peut être obtenu en une semaine par courrier avec l'ambassade à paris (80€ en 2011). Le visa Tadjik peut être obtenu en 1 après-midi à Bishkek (50$/mois de séjour + permis GBAO gratuit), donc pas forcément utile de le prendre à Bruxelles (pas d'ambassade à Paris).
Si tu as des questions, hésite pas.
Pour les possibilités d'obtention, il est possible de faire tous ces visas depuis la France. Il n'y a pas besoin de visa pour la Turquie (90 jours max) et pour le Kirghizstan (60 jours max). Le visa Iranien de tourisme est long à obtenir en France, beaucoup moins en Turquie. Le visa Turkmène est traité dans plusieurs discussions dans ce forum (c'est assez long à expliquer dans un poste). Le visa Ouzbek peut être obtenu en une semaine par courrier avec l'ambassade à paris (80€ en 2011). Le visa Tadjik peut être obtenu en 1 après-midi à Bishkek (50$/mois de séjour + permis GBAO gratuit), donc pas forcément utile de le prendre à Bruxelles (pas d'ambassade à Paris).
Si tu as des questions, hésite pas.
merci
en fait ça va être difficile pour moi de demander des visas depuis la france parce que je ne pourrais pas garantir ma date d'arrivée aux frontieres.Si tout va bien je me déplacerai à cheval.
Tel que je le vois maintenant il me faudra facilement 3mois pour traverser la turquie, l'iran à peu près idem sans parler des aléas du voyage.Il faudrait que je sache une fois sur place, si c'est possible et comment m'y prendre.En gros le plus difficile c'est l'ouzbekistan, peut être je peux eviter le TDJ (tadjik?)et pour le turkmenistan je vais eplucher le forum si j'ai le courage!!
encore merci.
D'accord avec les réponses de Slabeudad. Pour le visa ouzbèque, l'envoi par courrier à Paris a été plus longue. Entre le jour de l'envoi de nos passeports et des demandes et la réception en province, il a fallu 3 semaines. Pour le Kirguizistan, le visa est devenu gratuit le lendemain de notre demande donc pas de chance pour nous. Pour le Turkmenistan, nous sommes obligatoirement passés par une agence d'Achgabat pour obtenir la LOI (photocopie) mais avons pu acheter le visa à la frontière (même prix qu'en passant par Paris). Les douaniers sont allés récupéré la LOI (l'original) auprès du chauffeur de taxi qui nous attendait à l'extérieur puis ont fait le visa. C'est le seul pays que nous avons traversé où il a été obligatoire de passer par une agence qui fait la démarche auprès des autorités mais oblige à prendre taxi pour se déplacer et hôtels pendant le séjour. Sans cela, pas de LOI donc pas de visa touristique. Il existe le visa de transit mais le personnel de l'Ambassade à Paris nous avait prévenu que nous ne pourrions pas faire les visites en dehors du déplacement de frontière à frontière.
En espérant que ces infos te seront utiles.
Cordialement
Bon, après, il est normal que le consul du TKM n'encourage pas les gens munis d'un visa de transit à faire du tourisme, mais personne ne m'a arrêté dans un musée pour me demander si mon visa était bien un visa de tourisme...
En fait, je n'ai même pas été contrôlé une fois au TKM à part à l'entrée et à la sortie du pays. Pourtant, j'ai fais une moyenne de 12 contrôle de passeport par mois pendant 4 mois en Asie Centrale...
A cheval, tu vas t'amuser, avec les contrôles vétérinaires (si tu as des infos, je suis preneur)
oui mais quelles solutions il me reste
sommes nous bien d'accord, quand on demande un visa il faut donner un date d'entrée et une date de sortie?
Si je vadrouille à cheval, les "aleas" du voyage risque de me poser des problemes de spontaneité aux rdv pour les frontieres...que se passe t il alors?
A moins que je demande à quelqu'un en france de faire les demarches (envoie d'un courrier aux ambassades)quand je suis proche de la frontiere et que je peux donner une estimation plus juste, mais là encore avec l'espoir d'obtenir ce visa dans la semaine plus l'envoie en iran dans une sorte de poste restante.J'imagine bien que c'est pas le voyage type, facile d'organisation étant donné qu'a cheval les conditions changent.Mais je cherche des gens qui ont des experiences similaire et ouvert et disponible pour les partager.
Les ficelles du métier en quelque sorte!
Il existe l'assoc.calc mais c'est plus difficile d'acces et je ne connais pas grand monde ayant traversé ces frontieres à cheval..recemment , avec les contraintes geo politique actuelles.
merci
pour ce qui est des controles veterinaire je sais pas trop, mais vu que les legislations changent d'un pays à l'autre je vois pas trop qu'est ce qu'il pourrait m'arriver.En asie les chevaux c'est un peu du betail tout simplement, je pense que si on m'emmerde vraiment c'est plus pour le bakchich.non?Les chevaux ont des papiers francais.
A part les quarantaines aux frontieres qui ne se pratiquent pas toujours aussi rigoureusement que ce qu'il n'y parait, je crois.
Les pays qui risquent de te poser le plus de problème, c'est le Turkménistan et l'Ouzbékistan.
Turkménistan :Soit tu prends un visa de transit, et alors 450km à faire en 5 jours dans le Désert, il te faudra quelques chevaux de rechange ^^.Soit tu fais les démarches pour un visa de tourisme de 20 jours environ, ce qui te laisse de la marge pour entrer au TKM avec un visa en cours de validité, si toutefois c'est permis de rentrer après la date de début du visa.Ouzbékistan :
Tu prends un visa de 30 jours de tourisme (dates fixes), et si tu rentres x jours après la date de début du visa, il te restera 30-x jours.
Ps : le Kirghizstan, ça devrait pas te poser de problème (60jours à l'entrée sur le territoire), mais le visa tadjik est aussi à dates fixes, mais c'est compensé par le fait que tu peux prendre un visa de 5 mois si tu veux, rentrer quand tu veux dans ces 5 mois. tu dois être ressorti avant la date de fin inscrite sur ton visa.
En tout état de cause, je t'invites à faire un planning un peu plus détaillé de ton voyage, même si c'est pas très réaliste à ce stade. ça te permettra de définir combien de temps tu vas consacrer à chaque pays, et donc tes dates approximatives de visa seront fixées. En plus, si tu peux identifier un couple lieu/date qui te servira à ancrer tes dates de visas, c'est mieux. Ca peut être une visite de ta famille, une rencontre avec des amis...etc.
Tu prends un visa de 30 jours de tourisme (dates fixes), et si tu rentres x jours après la date de début du visa, il te restera 30-x jours.
Ps : le Kirghizstan, ça devrait pas te poser de problème (60jours à l'entrée sur le territoire), mais le visa tadjik est aussi à dates fixes, mais c'est compensé par le fait que tu peux prendre un visa de 5 mois si tu veux, rentrer quand tu veux dans ces 5 mois. tu dois être ressorti avant la date de fin inscrite sur ton visa.
En tout état de cause, je t'invites à faire un planning un peu plus détaillé de ton voyage, même si c'est pas très réaliste à ce stade. ça te permettra de définir combien de temps tu vas consacrer à chaque pays, et donc tes dates approximatives de visa seront fixées. En plus, si tu peux identifier un couple lieu/date qui te servira à ancrer tes dates de visas, c'est mieux. Ca peut être une visite de ta famille, une rencontre avec des amis...etc.
"En plus, si tu peux identifier un couple lieu/date qui te servira à ancrer tes dates de visas, c'est mieux. Ca peut être une visite de ta famille, une rencontre avec des amis...etc."
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je comprends pas
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je comprends pas
Lire le bouquin, en anglais, de Jonny Bealby, "Silk Dreams, Troubled Road", publié en 2003 par Arrow Books, qui raconte son périple mouvementé de plusieurs mois de voyageur très expérimenté de Isl via la Chine, le Kyrg, etc..... jusq'en Turquie, le tout à cheval (depuis Kashgar), et donc grosso modo sur la Route de la Soie.
Il y détaille toute la problématique rencontrée, notamment les questions de visas et passages de frontières avec les chevaux, qu'il a dû revendre le plus souvent avant de passer telle ou telle frontière pour en racheter d'autres de l'autre côté (au prix le plus élevé bien sûr) ainsi que les questions vétérinaires etc.
C'est un peu ancien, mais plein d'enseignements je pense. Il dirige maintenant une agence de voyage "Wild Frontiers" (cf site, il y a peut-être des infos).
Bonne route !
Il y détaille toute la problématique rencontrée, notamment les questions de visas et passages de frontières avec les chevaux, qu'il a dû revendre le plus souvent avant de passer telle ou telle frontière pour en racheter d'autres de l'autre côté (au prix le plus élevé bien sûr) ainsi que les questions vétérinaires etc.
C'est un peu ancien, mais plein d'enseignements je pense. Il dirige maintenant une agence de voyage "Wild Frontiers" (cf site, il y a peut-être des infos).
Bonne route !
merci pour ces infos c'est un debut
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My partner wants to return to France for a 90-day period starting on July 18th. Is this possible?
There are two ways to look at it:
1) The first day she spent in the Schengen Area was January 21st. That day will drop out of the calculation 180 days later, on July 20th.
From July 20th, she’ll get back 1 day of possible stay; on July 22nd, 2 days; and so on. All the days from her previous stay (January 21st–April 16th) need to be outside the 180-day rolling window. The last day of her stay was April 16th. Looking 180 days ahead, that brings us to October 13th. From that date, she’ll be able to return for a full 90 days. 2) The number of allowed days is calculated for each day of the new stay. In other words: the 180-day window is recalculated every day, not fixed at the entry date. If she re-enters France on July 18th, she’ll only have a “credit” of 4 days. But with each day of her new stay, one day from the previous stay (January–April) will drop out of the calculation. The rolling window allows her to “replace” days from the previous stay with those of the new stay, without ever exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period. In this case, my partner could stay in France for 90 days starting on July 18th. The Prefecture doesn’t provide any information, nor does Air France, and in the forums I’ve checked, opinions are divided. Thanks for any insights you can share!
Hello,
We’re planning to travel to Indonesia (Sulawesi with family) next July and August for a stay longer than a month (about 6 weeks).
I’ve seen that it’s possible to get a 60-day visa before departure, but I’ve also read about people having a lot of trouble getting it (some even didn’t manage and had to leave without it).
We absolutely need to have these 4 visas BEFORE leaving because once we’re in Sulawesi, I’m not sure we’ll be able to go to an embassy to request a visa extension after 30 days.
In short, how can we **100% guarantee** that we’ll get our 4 60-day visas before our trip this summer?
Thanks for your valuable tips!
Elodie
In short, how can we **100% guarantee** that we’ll get our 4 60-day visas before our trip this summer?
Thanks for your valuable tips!
Elodie
Hi there,
I’m leaving for Japan in a few weeks. I just noticed my passport has an ink stain on the signature page. Could this cause any issues?
I’m leaving for Japan in a few weeks. I just noticed my passport has an ink stain on the signature page. Could this cause any issues?
Hello, HAPPY NEW YEAR 2026!
We’re heading back in October for a trip through Botswana, Zambia, and Zimbabwe.
I have a question: for our route, we’ll need to cross the Zambia and Zimbabwe borders twice each. From experience, I know we won’t have any issues with Botswana.
But for the other two countries, I can’t find a clear answer.
All your tips are welcome!
Thanks for your replies
Thanks for your replies
Hi everyone!
I’m currently a student on a gap year, and I don’t plan to go back to school right away. That said, traveling really interests me. But I’ve been wondering: does being a student come with any perks when you decide to go abroad? The real question is whether I should re-enroll in a program just to keep that status without actually attending.
Thanks in advance for your replies,
Axel
I’m currently a student on a gap year, and I don’t plan to go back to school right away. That said, traveling really interests me. But I’ve been wondering: does being a student come with any perks when you decide to go abroad? The real question is whether I should re-enroll in a program just to keep that status without actually attending.
Thanks in advance for your replies,
Axel
hi everyone,
I’m French and live in France, and my Thai girlfriend just told me she’s pregnant—she lives in Thailand. First step, a paternity test to set my mind at ease. What steps do I need to take to recognize the child? Can I do it before the birth or only after? Where do I need to go, and what paperwork is required?
Just to clarify, I want him to stay in Thailand but be able to come to France anytime without any issues! Thanks for taking the time to read and reply.
Just to clarify, I want him to stay in Thailand but be able to come to France anytime without any issues! Thanks for taking the time to read and reply.




