Bonjour,
Est ce qu’il est possible de traverser avec 4x4 la frontière entre Bérénice Egypte et le Soudan passant par le triangle Halaib ?
Merci
Fabrizio
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Traverser en 4x4 la frontière entre l'Égypte et le Soudan en passant par le triangle d'Halaib?
by Zenone
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
lieu de pas mal de tension, voir (c'était il y a 1 an)
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=990CE0DF153CF93AA15755C0A963958260
cela na pas dû s'arranger ... comme par miracle
1 problème vieux de 100 ans ... ne s'efface pas comme cela 😛
mais qui + est les infos que j'avais eu qqs années en arrière pas de route piste IMPRATICABLES à la saison des pluies j'étais descendu jusqu'à Bérénice, puis abondonné lorsque j'ai contasté que mes camions ne pourraient pas passer pour rejoindre Port-Sudan 😛
ce n'est pas le point de passage habituel de toutes les façons 😉
mais qui + est les infos que j'avais eu qqs années en arrière pas de route piste IMPRATICABLES à la saison des pluies j'étais descendu jusqu'à Bérénice, puis abondonné lorsque j'ai contasté que mes camions ne pourraient pas passer pour rejoindre Port-Sudan 😛
ce n'est pas le point de passage habituel de toutes les façons 😉
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Dom
Dom
c'était une autre époque ... 1980 ...
j'avais affrété un Dakota (DC3) chez "Pyramid Air" ... complètement disparus ceux là ...
la Co. et les DC3 😕
les contraintes et soucis étaient autres 😇
passer par Halaib, je n'essaierais pas, mais si je tenterais un coup comme cela en premier je chercherais un contact au Caire, avec la "section 26", département de "l'Intelligence Service" de l'Armée égyptienne pour me faire délivrer une autorisation, que dans le Grand Sud j'échangerais contre une autre de "djej el redoud" ou "Gardes Frontières" de l'Armée égyptienne
dans les années 85 j'ai pu me rendre par 2 fois à Siwa, alors que c'était zone militaire et interdite au tourisme en appliquant cette même procédure, contraignante, mais imparable à la frontière 😛
les agences qui offre des circuits dans le "Gift el Kébir", doivent être soumises aux autorisations, et de ce fait connaissent le "parcours du combattant" 😉 faut-il encore qu'elles soient d'accord pour divulguer leurs pratiques 🙁
d'ici 2 ou 3 ans (j'ai d'autres destinations auparavant ..) je serai sur la liste pour trouver le passage, aller/retour jusqu'en éthiopie 😉 mais d'ici là bien des choses auront encore changées 😇
passer par Halaib, je n'essaierais pas, mais si je tenterais un coup comme cela en premier je chercherais un contact au Caire, avec la "section 26", département de "l'Intelligence Service" de l'Armée égyptienne pour me faire délivrer une autorisation, que dans le Grand Sud j'échangerais contre une autre de "djej el redoud" ou "Gardes Frontières" de l'Armée égyptienne
dans les années 85 j'ai pu me rendre par 2 fois à Siwa, alors que c'était zone militaire et interdite au tourisme en appliquant cette même procédure, contraignante, mais imparable à la frontière 😛
les agences qui offre des circuits dans le "Gift el Kébir", doivent être soumises aux autorisations, et de ce fait connaissent le "parcours du combattant" 😉 faut-il encore qu'elles soient d'accord pour divulguer leurs pratiques 🙁
d'ici 2 ou 3 ans (j'ai d'autres destinations auparavant ..) je serai sur la liste pour trouver le passage, aller/retour jusqu'en éthiopie 😉 mais d'ici là bien des choses auront encore changées 😇
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Dom
Dom
Bonjour à tous. Je prépare une remontée en camion cet été depuis la Namibie vers l'Europe. Il semblerait que la liaison par route sur la côte entre l'Egypte et le Soudan via Port Soudan soit une réalité. A vérifier. Ci-dessous lien pour source de l'info.
http://www.sunanews.net/english-latest-news/179-work-in-coastal-road-linking-sudan-and-egypt-completed.html
Bonjour
j'envisage descendre en 4x4 cet Hiver en Afrique Australe par le Moyen Orient puis l'Afrique de l'Est. Je cherche des infos pour le passage des frontières, notamment Syrie, Egypte, Soudan, Kenya, pour la suite je connais.
Gab
Bonjour,
Trouvé sur le site du TCS www.voyages-tcs.ch dans section pratique sur les frontières en Egypte:Israël: Rafah (entre Gaza et El Arish), Netafim/Ras-el-Naqb, Taba. Il est possible de se rendre en voiture privée de Jordanie en Egypte par le poste frontière de Arava/Wadi Araba (entre Aqaba et Eilat), qui est uniquement ouvert aux touristes provenant d'un pays tiers. Autre possibilité: ferry entre Akaba (Jordanie) et Nuweiba (Egypte). Libye: Solloum. Soudan: les frontières sont fermées, à l'exception de la voie fluviale sur le lac Nasser entre Assouan et Wadi Halfa, ainsi que la route Halaib - Port Soudan.La remontée du Soudan pourrait donc se faire par la route, via Halaib! Des voyageurs nous précisent par ailleurs que le coût du transfert sur barge sur le Nasser a fortement baissé. Ceci justifierait-il cela ? A vérifier donc. Bon voyage.
Trouvé sur le site du TCS www.voyages-tcs.ch dans section pratique sur les frontières en Egypte:Israël: Rafah (entre Gaza et El Arish), Netafim/Ras-el-Naqb, Taba. Il est possible de se rendre en voiture privée de Jordanie en Egypte par le poste frontière de Arava/Wadi Araba (entre Aqaba et Eilat), qui est uniquement ouvert aux touristes provenant d'un pays tiers. Autre possibilité: ferry entre Akaba (Jordanie) et Nuweiba (Egypte). Libye: Solloum. Soudan: les frontières sont fermées, à l'exception de la voie fluviale sur le lac Nasser entre Assouan et Wadi Halfa, ainsi que la route Halaib - Port Soudan.La remontée du Soudan pourrait donc se faire par la route, via Halaib! Des voyageurs nous précisent par ailleurs que le coût du transfert sur barge sur le Nasser a fortement baissé. Ceci justifierait-il cela ? A vérifier donc. Bon voyage.
pour mémoire, en ce qui concerne l'Égypte,
je rappelle que le carnet de passages en douanes (CPD) est exigible, ET EXIGÉ
il implique une caution bancaire d'un montant de 250% de la valeur résiduelle du véhicule,
avec néanmoins un minimum incompressible de 3850 Euros
http://www.automobileclub.org/site/sedeplacer/carnet_passage_douane/index.php?page=tarifs.php
vérifiez bien que vous avez votre "CPD" et avec la bonne autorisation 😛 sinon je vous garantie une déconvenue sévère à la frontière, ils sont intraitables 🤪
vérifiez bien que vous avez votre "CPD" et avec la bonne autorisation 😛 sinon je vous garantie une déconvenue sévère à la frontière, ils sont intraitables 🤪
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Dom
Dom
Bonjour et merci Dom.
Le CPD , je l'ai. J'en ai eu besoin pour rentrer en Afrique du Sud via Durban. En réalité j'en ai même deux, un pour le camion /camping car et un pour la moto transportée par le camion à l'arrière. Les deuc CPD sont à mon nom. Pour info, là pourrait se trouver un problème. J'ai rencontré des Allemands en Tanzanie, qui semblaient dire qu'une personne physique ne peut avoir qu'un seul véhicule importé en Egypte, même de façon temporaire, même sous régime CPD, donc un véhicule /un nom. Dans mon cas avec les deux CPD à mon nom, je pourrais avoir des pbs. Je dois encore me renseigner. Ceci dit cela ne m'étonnerait pas, car la même règle est d'application pour la Turquie ( ou en tous cas l'était en 2007). En Turquie , point de besoin de CPD, mais la double importation sous le même nom n'était pas admise non plus.Je dois dire que là les douaniers ont été sympa, dans la mesure, où ils nous ont laissé entrer en mettant la moto, sous le nom de mon épouse ( même nom de famille), sans quoi c'était la fourrière pour la moto, avec récupération à la sortie du pays. .
Ceci dit, tu ne confirmes ni n'infirmes l'info quant à l'ouverture possible de la frontière terrestre via Port Soudan. En saurais tu d'avantage?.J'attends toujours une réponse des ambassades respectives qui tardent à répondre.
A+ Michel
Le CPD , je l'ai. J'en ai eu besoin pour rentrer en Afrique du Sud via Durban. En réalité j'en ai même deux, un pour le camion /camping car et un pour la moto transportée par le camion à l'arrière. Les deuc CPD sont à mon nom. Pour info, là pourrait se trouver un problème. J'ai rencontré des Allemands en Tanzanie, qui semblaient dire qu'une personne physique ne peut avoir qu'un seul véhicule importé en Egypte, même de façon temporaire, même sous régime CPD, donc un véhicule /un nom. Dans mon cas avec les deux CPD à mon nom, je pourrais avoir des pbs. Je dois encore me renseigner. Ceci dit cela ne m'étonnerait pas, car la même règle est d'application pour la Turquie ( ou en tous cas l'était en 2007). En Turquie , point de besoin de CPD, mais la double importation sous le même nom n'était pas admise non plus.Je dois dire que là les douaniers ont été sympa, dans la mesure, où ils nous ont laissé entrer en mettant la moto, sous le nom de mon épouse ( même nom de famille), sans quoi c'était la fourrière pour la moto, avec récupération à la sortie du pays. .
Ceci dit, tu ne confirmes ni n'infirmes l'info quant à l'ouverture possible de la frontière terrestre via Port Soudan. En saurais tu d'avantage?.J'attends toujours une réponse des ambassades respectives qui tardent à répondre.
A+ Michel
Ceci dit, tu ne confirmes ni n'infirmes l'info quant à l'ouverture possible de la frontière terrestre via Port Soudan. En saurais tu d'avantage?.
silence radio de ma part car, je ne suis pas en Égypte actuellement, j'y serais courant de l'été 2010, après avoir fait un tour par l'Ouzbékistan, à ce moment je pourrais avoir des infos de première main, en attendant que qqu'1 soit réellement passé les infos de l'Homme, qui a vu l'Homme, qui a vu l'Homme, qui a vu l'ours 😛 ... je laisse cela à d'autres 😉
silence radio de ma part car, je ne suis pas en Égypte actuellement, j'y serais courant de l'été 2010, après avoir fait un tour par l'Ouzbékistan, à ce moment je pourrais avoir des infos de première main, en attendant que qqu'1 soit réellement passé les infos de l'Homme, qui a vu l'Homme, qui a vu l'Homme, qui a vu l'ours 😛 ... je laisse cela à d'autres 😉
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Dom
Dom
Bonjour à tous,
Je viens de recevoir ce jour un message en privé d'un autre Forumeur qui me dit avoir essayé , Visas Egyptiens en main, il y a quelques jours de remonter par la route depuis Port Soudan vers l'Egypte. Quatre à cinq km au nord de Port Soudan, contrôle, , ils ont été renvoyé vers la Security Police, qui sous prétexte que de toutes manières les Egyptiens ne les laisseraient pas passer, ils ne donnaient pas de permis.
Il semblerait que cela ne soit pas près de s'arranger, car une société Egyptienne, aurait acheter plusieurs barges ......
A bon entendeur ...
Bien à vous et bons voyages ...
Michel
Je viens de recevoir ce jour un message en privé d'un autre Forumeur qui me dit avoir essayé , Visas Egyptiens en main, il y a quelques jours de remonter par la route depuis Port Soudan vers l'Egypte. Quatre à cinq km au nord de Port Soudan, contrôle, , ils ont été renvoyé vers la Security Police, qui sous prétexte que de toutes manières les Egyptiens ne les laisseraient pas passer, ils ne donnaient pas de permis.
Il semblerait que cela ne soit pas près de s'arranger, car une société Egyptienne, aurait acheter plusieurs barges ......
A bon entendeur ...
Bien à vous et bons voyages ...
Michel
Bonjour à tous,
Je viens de recevoir ce jour un message en privé d'un autre Forumeur qui me dit avoir essayé , Visas Egyptiens en main, il y a quelques jours de remonter par la route depuis Port Soudan vers l'Egypte. Quatre à cinq km au nord de Port Soudan, contrôle, , ils ont été renvoyé vers la Security Police, qui sous prétexte que de toutes manières les Egyptiens ne les laisseraient pas passer, ils ne donnaient pas de permis.
Il semblerait que cela ne soit pas près de s'arranger, car une société Egyptienne, aurait acheter plusieurs barges ......
A bon entendeur ...
Bien à vous et bons voyages ...
Michel
et comme les problèmes de "souveraineté" créaient 1 litige vieux de 100 ans ... il ne s'efface pas comme cela 😛 comme je le disais dans 1 de mes premiers post ... donc rien de changé ... sur le terrain ... on ne passe pas 😛
Je viens de recevoir ce jour un message en privé d'un autre Forumeur qui me dit avoir essayé , Visas Egyptiens en main, il y a quelques jours de remonter par la route depuis Port Soudan vers l'Egypte. Quatre à cinq km au nord de Port Soudan, contrôle, , ils ont été renvoyé vers la Security Police, qui sous prétexte que de toutes manières les Egyptiens ne les laisseraient pas passer, ils ne donnaient pas de permis.
Il semblerait que cela ne soit pas près de s'arranger, car une société Egyptienne, aurait acheter plusieurs barges ......
A bon entendeur ...
Bien à vous et bons voyages ...
Michel
et comme les problèmes de "souveraineté" créaient 1 litige vieux de 100 ans ... il ne s'efface pas comme cela 😛 comme je le disais dans 1 de mes premiers post ... donc rien de changé ... sur le terrain ... on ne passe pas 😛
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Dom
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A well-prepped 4x4, a travel plan across Africa in stages since I’ve got kids to see regularly and work to earn a living.
I’m leaving in November for about a month with the goal of reaching Senegal via Mauritania. I’d love to share this trip with someone who wants to discover Mauritania and a bit of Senegal... and also experience life on board a 4x4 in the desert or bush, sometimes sleeping in the vehicle or in hostels/small hotels for comfort. I want to share this rediscovery because two’s better than one!
Just traveling, exploring, and living! !
Hi there,
I’m planning to explore Argentine and Chilean Patagonia for a month in December 2019.
I’m looking for a rental company (or several) that offers single-cab 4x4 pick-ups with a fitted camper cell for two people. I’m specifically after a vehicle with an indoor shower for extra comfort ;) So, no vans—at least not from the rental companies I’ve seen so far.
While browsing the forum, I came across the Chilean rental company Holiday Rent. But do you have any recommendations for Argentine rentals? Because, if I can’t return the vehicle in the same city as pickup, I’d prefer—and it’d likely be cheaper—to at least return it in the same country.
I’m planning to explore Argentine and Chilean Patagonia for a month in December 2019.
I’m looking for a rental company (or several) that offers single-cab 4x4 pick-ups with a fitted camper cell for two people. I’m specifically after a vehicle with an indoor shower for extra comfort ;) So, no vans—at least not from the rental companies I’ve seen so far.
While browsing the forum, I came across the Chilean rental company Holiday Rent. But do you have any recommendations for Argentine rentals? Because, if I can’t return the vehicle in the same city as pickup, I’d prefer—and it’d likely be cheaper—to at least return it in the same country.
Hello,
I’m traveling through Argentina and Chile (as well as Paraguay and Uruguay) with a 2019 Toyota Hilux Euro 6. Could anyone tell me if the local diesel is suitable for its engine, or if I need to take any special precautions (like adding an additive, for example) for these countries? I’d also like to know if driving at high altitudes is possible, and up to what elevation—or if I should worry about the vehicle going into limp mode? If that happens, what should I do?
Thanks in advance
I’m traveling through Argentina and Chile (as well as Paraguay and Uruguay) with a 2019 Toyota Hilux Euro 6. Could anyone tell me if the local diesel is suitable for its engine, or if I need to take any special precautions (like adding an additive, for example) for these countries? I’d also like to know if driving at high altitudes is possible, and up to what elevation—or if I should worry about the vehicle going into limp mode? If that happens, what should I do?
Thanks in advance
Hi there,
Can you tell me if the road between Zagora and M'Gouna is easy or difficult for a 4x4? How much time and how many kilometers should I plan for? I’m traveling in May.
Thanks!
Hi there,
My trip to South Africa is starting to take shape.
However, I'm struggling to figure out the route through Kruger Park. I can't seem to find the information I need about getting around.
Coming from the south, I plan to arrive on Day 1 in the early afternoon at Malelane or Crocodile Bridge.
Do some shopping in Malelane (or Crocodile Bridge main area) and stay overnight outside the park.
Leave on Day 2 at 5 AM for the park. Explore the southern part of the park.
Stay overnight around Skukuza or Lower Sabie. (We don’t want to stay in one of the park’s big camps. We’re looking for a lodge around 200 €.
Head out on Day 3 for a self-drive safari, maybe as far as Orpen.
We’d like to stay in a private reserve on nights 4 and 5.
We’re not sure which one or how to get into a private reserve. Do we need to exit Kruger Park?
On Day 5, we’d like to leave to visit Blyde Canyon (on Day 6).
Could you help us with these different locations?
Thanks
Could you help us with these different locations?
Thanks
Hi there,
I’m planning to leave Morocco for the summer but want to leave my 4x4 there to avoid exceeding the famous 6-month limit. I’d like to park it in one of the two Spanish enclaves (Ceuta or Melilla). Does anyone know of people or companies that handle long-term parking (preferably secure) in either place? Once the car is parked, what’s the best way to get back to France using public transport? Is the nearest airport Tanger from Ceuta?... How do I get there easily, etc. etc.
Thanks in advance! Dominique
I’m planning to leave Morocco for the summer but want to leave my 4x4 there to avoid exceeding the famous 6-month limit. I’d like to park it in one of the two Spanish enclaves (Ceuta or Melilla). Does anyone know of people or companies that handle long-term parking (preferably secure) in either place? Once the car is parked, what’s the best way to get back to France using public transport? Is the nearest airport Tanger from Ceuta?... How do I get there easily, etc. etc.
Thanks in advance! Dominique
hello! I’d like to go to Kazakhstan and rent a fitted 4x4 locally so I can drive off-road trails and sleep inside the vehicle... could anyone share some local rental company addresses, please? Thanks! !
Hi,
I'm about to rent a self-drive 4x4 in Mongolia. Has anyone heard of GOBI.RENT? Otherwise, do you have any tips for checking this company since there's no info on their website (e.g., registration number on the RCS)?
Thanks
I'm about to rent a self-drive 4x4 in Mongolia. Has anyone heard of GOBI.RENT? Otherwise, do you have any tips for checking this company since there's no info on their website (e.g., registration number on the RCS)?
Thanks
Hi everyone,
I’m finalizing my trip starting from Namibia. When I arrive in Divundu, I’d like to head straight to the Khwai area early in the morning to one of the campsites in the Khwai Development Trust. Is the drive doable with a good 4x4 in a day? We’ll spend 2 nights in Khwai, then 2 or maybe 3 nights in the Moremi area (Third Bridge/Xakanaxa/Mboma) before heading back to Maun to wrap up our journey. Is that too much time to spend in each place?
We’d also like to do one or two boat excursions in the delta. Any suggestions for the best options and operators?
Thanks in advance for your tips and advice! Best, Patrick
I’m finalizing my trip starting from Namibia. When I arrive in Divundu, I’d like to head straight to the Khwai area early in the morning to one of the campsites in the Khwai Development Trust. Is the drive doable with a good 4x4 in a day? We’ll spend 2 nights in Khwai, then 2 or maybe 3 nights in the Moremi area (Third Bridge/Xakanaxa/Mboma) before heading back to Maun to wrap up our journey. Is that too much time to spend in each place?
We’d also like to do one or two boat excursions in the delta. Any suggestions for the best options and operators?
Thanks in advance for your tips and advice! Best, Patrick
Hi everyone,
I’m planning to explore the western part of Madagascar from May 1st to 5th, specifically to visit the Tsingy. I’ve heard different versions about the road conditions and access to the Tsingy during this time, so I’d love to hear from people who’ve actually made this trip during this time of year.
Have you traveled from Morondava → Tsingy between May 1st and 5th? Was the journey doable and safe? Did you have access to the Grands Tsingy, or just the Petits Tsingy?
Thanks so much for your feedback—it’ll really help me get a clearer picture! 😊 Also, if you have any recommendations for reliable and experienced driver-guides, I’d love to hear them. Thanks again!
Have you traveled from Morondava → Tsingy between May 1st and 5th? Was the journey doable and safe? Did you have access to the Grands Tsingy, or just the Petits Tsingy?
Thanks so much for your feedback—it’ll really help me get a clearer picture! 😊 Also, if you have any recommendations for reliable and experienced driver-guides, I’d love to hear them. Thanks again!