Trek dans les Andes au Pérou et en Bolivie: GPS utile?
by Arnaurlie
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Bonjour
On a prévue un séjour de trois mois au Pérou et Bolivie dans 4 mois et on a prévue de faire pas mal de treck et on se demandais si un GPS était utile ou pas????
Merci
Arno Sbh
salut
oui, ne serais ce que pour avoir les renseignments (direction, altitude etc...)car pour les waypoints et cartes ign (au perou)c'est autre chose!!
mag
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- soit tu as un GPS avec carto et dans ce cas le pb va être de trouver les cartes électroniques à charger pour les zones qui t'intéressentsoit tu as un GPS sans carto et dans ce cas le pb va être de trouver les cartes papier avec le quadrillage GPS pour pouvoir te repérer à partir des coordonnées fournies par ton GPS
donc en fonction du GPS que tu as, cherche si tu peux trouver soit les cartes électroniques soit les cartes papier compatible GPS. si tu trouve rien la boussole sera plus utile.
donc en fonction du GPS que tu as, cherche si tu peux trouver soit les cartes électroniques soit les cartes papier compatible GPS. si tu trouve rien la boussole sera plus utile.
Bub
Exploring the world
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-soit tu as un GPS avec carto et dans ce cas le pb va être de trouver les cartes électroniques à charger pour les zones qui t'intéressentsoit tu as un GPS sans carto et dans ce cas le pb va être de trouver les cartes papier avec le quadrillage GPS pour pouvoir te repérer à partir des coordonnées fournies par ton GPS
Cartes électroniques du Pérou ? je n' y crois pas trop... Cartes papiers ? les cartes du club alpin autrichien (Cordillera Blanca Nord & Süd) ainsi que la carte péruvienne que j'ai utilisées (Ausangate) disposaient du quadrillage UTM
GPS utile ? En hiver (au Pérou) le beau temps est suffisamment stable pour que tu puisses exclure une longue navigation dans le brouillard : pas la peine d'investir dans un GPS si tu n'en as pas. Si tu en as déjà un, ça ne va pas trop t'alourdir de l'emporter. D'autant plus, qu'en cherchant un peu, on trouve sur internet traces et waypoints. A titre d'exemple, Tour de l'Alpamayo et 4 jours au pieds de l'Ausangate : http://obiou.fr/Photos/Gps/Perou2007Itineraire.zip
Bon voyage
Cartes électroniques du Pérou ? je n' y crois pas trop... Cartes papiers ? les cartes du club alpin autrichien (Cordillera Blanca Nord & Süd) ainsi que la carte péruvienne que j'ai utilisées (Ausangate) disposaient du quadrillage UTM
GPS utile ? En hiver (au Pérou) le beau temps est suffisamment stable pour que tu puisses exclure une longue navigation dans le brouillard : pas la peine d'investir dans un GPS si tu n'en as pas. Si tu en as déjà un, ça ne va pas trop t'alourdir de l'emporter. D'autant plus, qu'en cherchant un peu, on trouve sur internet traces et waypoints. A titre d'exemple, Tour de l'Alpamayo et 4 jours au pieds de l'Ausangate : http://obiou.fr/Photos/Gps/Perou2007Itineraire.zip
Bon voyage
Quelques photos : http://obiou.fr/
Bonjour,
Il existe quelques cartes électroniques pour GPS avec carte type Garmin GPSMap, puis il y a aussi cette carte assez récente, je n'ai jamais essayé mais elle a l'air pas mal du tout, si vous l'achtetez j'aimerai un retour ..
http://www.guiacalles.com/cartografiagps.shtml
Voila..
Il existe quelques cartes électroniques pour GPS avec carte type Garmin GPSMap, puis il y a aussi cette carte assez récente, je n'ai jamais essayé mais elle a l'air pas mal du tout, si vous l'achtetez j'aimerai un retour ..
http://www.guiacalles.com/cartografiagps.shtml
Voila..
Bonjour
Je croit que je vais en acheter un Gps.( Je me suis renseigner pour la carte du Pérou "Mapa del peru par Gps Garmin" et elle vaut 145 euros quand même!!!!!!!!!!!!)
Il me servira, a suivre mon parcours et laisser une trace, et si je n'ai pas de carte très précise a retrouver mon itinéraire sur google earth .
Si vous avez des traces et waypoints, je suis preneur de tout.
Merci de votre aide et de votre solidarité.
Arno Sbh
Si vous avez des traces et waypoints, je suis preneur de tout.
Tu as un lien dans mon précédent message. J'ai peur que la carte numérique que tu cites soit essentiellement une cartographie routière. Pour la rando rien ne remplace encore les cartes papiers. En particulier pour planifier un itinéraire sur plusieurs jours tu fais comment avec les quelques cm2 du GPS ? Alors qu'avec la carte dépliée sur une table tu as tout un massif sous les yeux...
Tu as un lien dans mon précédent message. J'ai peur que la carte numérique que tu cites soit essentiellement une cartographie routière. Pour la rando rien ne remplace encore les cartes papiers. En particulier pour planifier un itinéraire sur plusieurs jours tu fais comment avec les quelques cm2 du GPS ? Alors qu'avec la carte dépliée sur une table tu as tout un massif sous les yeux...
Quelques photos : http://obiou.fr/
D'accord avec toi.
En plus c'est sans compter l'autonomie et la capacité des GPS qui sont plutôt limités.
Je parle pas non plus des zones d'ombre...
Une carte et une boussole il n'y a pas mieux !
Bub
Exploring the world
https://dchabaud.fr
Bonjour
Juste une dernière petite question, Es que l'on trouve des cartes assez précise des Andes Blanches et autres au Pérou?
Arno SBH
Les cartes du club alpin autrichien Cordillera Blanca Nord & Süd (1/100k) se trouvaient à Huaraz l'été dernier. J'avais acheté les miennes avant de partir : tu joues la sécurité, tu prépares ton voyage et rien qu'en regardant la carte, tu y es déjà un peu...
Pour la Cordillera Huayhuash, j'avais commandé celle là directement à cette adresse http://peaksandplaces.com/purchase_map.htm Je ne l'ai pas vue sur place, je n'ai pas cherché non plus...
Pour l'Ausangate, je n'ai trouvé que des photocop n&b de la carte péruvienne Ocongate 1/100k au South American Explorers Club à Cuzco http://www.saexplorers.org/club/home ou une carte très simplifiée en librairie. Elle est ici en couleurs, avec quelques autres, mais en plusieurs morceaux... http://mapy.mk.cvut.cz/list/data/Peru
Les cartes du club alpin autrichien Cordillera Blanca Nord & Süd (1/100k) se trouvaient à Huaraz l'été dernier. J'avais acheté les miennes avant de partir : tu joues la sécurité, tu prépares ton voyage et rien qu'en regardant la carte, tu y es déjà un peu...
Pour la Cordillera Huayhuash, j'avais commandé celle là directement à cette adresse http://peaksandplaces.com/purchase_map.htm Je ne l'ai pas vue sur place, je n'ai pas cherché non plus...
Pour l'Ausangate, je n'ai trouvé que des photocop n&b de la carte péruvienne Ocongate 1/100k au South American Explorers Club à Cuzco http://www.saexplorers.org/club/home ou une carte très simplifiée en librairie. Elle est ici en couleurs, avec quelques autres, mais en plusieurs morceaux... http://mapy.mk.cvut.cz/list/data/Peru
Quelques photos : http://obiou.fr/
bonjour,
maintenant que j'ai ma tente et mon réchaud (merci pour tes précieux conseils), j'aimerais ne pas perdre mon groupe, alors j'avais une question concernant mon garmin HCx tjs utilisé en France. J'ai récupéré pleins de petits points de charmants voyageurs qui enrichissent ce site pour mes treks de cet été et je voulais savoir si il y avait des modifs de réglages à faire en arrivant sur un autre continent type amérique du sud (système satellitaire à changer des les réglages ou autre) car il faut bien dire que c'est un peu plus complexe qu'une carte.
Merci
Jérôme
maintenant que j'ai ma tente et mon réchaud (merci pour tes précieux conseils), j'aimerais ne pas perdre mon groupe, alors j'avais une question concernant mon garmin HCx tjs utilisé en France. J'ai récupéré pleins de petits points de charmants voyageurs qui enrichissent ce site pour mes treks de cet été et je voulais savoir si il y avait des modifs de réglages à faire en arrivant sur un autre continent type amérique du sud (système satellitaire à changer des les réglages ou autre) car il faut bien dire que c'est un peu plus complexe qu'une carte.
Merci
Jérôme
Pas de "système satellitaire" à changer (il n'y en a qu'un !), rien de particulier pour l'Amerique du Sud ou ailleurs.
Juste faire un peu gaffe au système de coordonnées (datum) dans lequel sont exprimés les waypoints pas de souci, si c'est un transfert de GPS à GPS, via fichier et logiciel vu que tous les GPS utilisent le datum WGS84 comme format de stockage interne si c'est un report manuel, vérifier la concordance des datums entre tes points et la config du GPS
Bon voyage
PS : waypoints et traces Pérou et Bolivie : http://obiou.fr/Photos/Gps/index.html (donnés Google Earth en .zip)
Juste faire un peu gaffe au système de coordonnées (datum) dans lequel sont exprimés les waypoints pas de souci, si c'est un transfert de GPS à GPS, via fichier et logiciel vu que tous les GPS utilisent le datum WGS84 comme format de stockage interne si c'est un report manuel, vérifier la concordance des datums entre tes points et la config du GPS
Bon voyage
PS : waypoints et traces Pérou et Bolivie : http://obiou.fr/Photos/Gps/index.html (donnés Google Earth en .zip)
Quelques photos : http://obiou.fr/
Merci de la réponse,
Par datums, tu entend la différence entre coordonnées 13°30'47.18" et 13°30.786'. Je me suis fait avoir pensant qu'en récupérant des données en 13°30'47.18, il suffisait d'arrondir à 13°30'472 pour correspondre et bien non, heureusement je m'en suis aperçu avant de partir et tout est à recommencer même si la différence est pas trop importante.
En tout cas merci, une fois de plus pour ta réponse toujours bien détaillée.
jérôme
Par datums, tu entend la différence entre coordonnées 13°30'47.18" et 13°30.786'. Je me suis fait avoir pensant qu'en récupérant des données en 13°30'47.18, il suffisait d'arrondir à 13°30'472 pour correspondre et bien non, heureusement je m'en suis aperçu avant de partir et tout est à recommencer même si la différence est pas trop importante.
En tout cas merci, une fois de plus pour ta réponse toujours bien détaillée.
jérôme
Non, ce dont tu parles c'est la différence entre degrés-minutes-secondes et degrés-minutes-fraction de minutes
Le datum fait référence au modèle d'ellipsoïde représentant la terre et au système de coordonnées (lat-long ou grille kilométrique...) Les cartes récentes sont en WGS84 (système international) et c'est le système le plus utilisé pour l'échange de données, mais à l'origine chaque pays (ou presque) avait son propre système (ED50 pour la France par exemple).
Le datum fait référence au modèle d'ellipsoïde représentant la terre et au système de coordonnées (lat-long ou grille kilométrique...) Les cartes récentes sont en WGS84 (système international) et c'est le système le plus utilisé pour l'échange de données, mais à l'origine chaque pays (ou presque) avait son propre système (ED50 pour la France par exemple).
Quelques photos : http://obiou.fr/
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Hi there,
I’m planning to do the Mercantour crossing following the Randoxygène route in mid-July. I’m used to hiking in the mountains, but I sometimes get vertigo, for example on ridges with drops on both sides. I wanted to check if there are any T4 or T3-T4 sections and find out if there are any very exposed passages—and if so, where—so I can plan an alternative route. Can anyone give me some info on this? Thanks!
I’m planning to do the Mercantour crossing following the Randoxygène route in mid-July. I’m used to hiking in the mountains, but I sometimes get vertigo, for example on ridges with drops on both sides. I wanted to check if there are any T4 or T3-T4 sections and find out if there are any very exposed passages—and if so, where—so I can plan an alternative route. Can anyone give me some info on this? Thanks!
hi there,
I’m planning a trip around Cap Corse and the AGRIATES in 2026, from May 8th to 15th (there are still 2 spots left, by the way! Just DM me if you're interested).
I’d love to know which hikes are worth prioritizing in the AGRIATES. We’ll be staying in SALECCIA for two days as our base—what should we focus on from there? A round trip to IGNHU beach? Any other suggestions? For Ostricano, I think it’s too far for a round trip... Thanks for your tips! Have a great day, Anie, Toulouse
I’m planning a trip around Cap Corse and the AGRIATES in 2026, from May 8th to 15th (there are still 2 spots left, by the way! Just DM me if you're interested).
I’d love to know which hikes are worth prioritizing in the AGRIATES. We’ll be staying in SALECCIA for two days as our base—what should we focus on from there? A round trip to IGNHU beach? Any other suggestions? For Ostricano, I think it’s too far for a round trip... Thanks for your tips! Have a great day, Anie, Toulouse
Hi,
I’d like some advice on doing the Camino de Santiago—or part of it—from the Basque Country.
Best,
Hi there,
I’d like to get some info about the GR10 Pyrenees traverse. I need help planning the daily stages and accommodations—my wife isn’t an experienced hiker but walks a lot, so I’d like to schedule shorter walking days and thus a longer overall trip in terms of number of days.
Could anyone give me some help and advice? Best regards,
I’d like to get some info about the GR10 Pyrenees traverse. I need help planning the daily stages and accommodations—my wife isn’t an experienced hiker but walks a lot, so I’d like to schedule shorter walking days and thus a longer overall trip in terms of number of days.
Could anyone give me some help and advice? Best regards,
Hi there, I’m planning the Annapurna Circuit for March 2027 and I’m looking for a local agency with a local guide—preferably French-speaking—to arrange this trek for us. Any suggestions? Thanks
Hello!
We’re spending a few days in Toraja country at the end of May. We’d love to do a day trek—taking our time—on a route that’s stunning in terms of scenery, but not a level 5 in difficulty!
Any suggestions you can share, please?
Thanks in advance
Hi everyone,
I’d like to do the Mare a Mare Sud in May over 4 days. I’ve found quite a few places to stay along the route, but I’m stuck on the start and finish. I’ll be arriving by plane on Sunday evening and would like to start pretty early on Monday morning. Ideally, accommodation right at the trailhead (Alzu di Gallina) would be amazing, but I can’t find anything. Any tips? Also, for the transfer from Figari Airport to Porto Vecchio or Alzu di Gallina? At the end, I’d like to pick up a rental car—any advice on that too?
Thanks in advance!
Caro
I’d like to do the Mare a Mare Sud in May over 4 days. I’ve found quite a few places to stay along the route, but I’m stuck on the start and finish. I’ll be arriving by plane on Sunday evening and would like to start pretty early on Monday morning. Ideally, accommodation right at the trailhead (Alzu di Gallina) would be amazing, but I can’t find anything. Any tips? Also, for the transfer from Figari Airport to Porto Vecchio or Alzu di Gallina? At the end, I’d like to pick up a rental car—any advice on that too?
Thanks in advance!
Caro
I’m traveling solo by plane to Catania in May and plan to hike the northern side of Etna, starting from Linguaglossa where I’ll arrive by bus. After that, I’d love some info on how to get up to Piano Provenzana (shuttles or hitchhiking), since it seems there’s no public transport except in the summer. Can you sleep there in a free or cheap refuge, or camp? And how far up can you go without having to hire a guide? Thanks in advance. Bernard.
Hi everyone,
I’m heading to Morocco in August and we’ll start with a stop in Chefchaouen (we’re driving).
My question: can anyone suggest a 5-to-7-day loop hiking route from Chefchaouen in Talassemtane Park, ideally passing by the God’s Bridge? Or a paper guidebook that covers a few options?
We prefer wild camping and guesthouses.
Thanks in advance
Hi there, for those who’ve been recently—is it possible to find other solo travelers in March on the island to share transport or room costs? It doesn’t seem easy to travel on a budget.
If you have any recommendations for simple lodgings or places with dorms, I’d love to hear them.
For those who’ve done multi-day treks while moving around: do you need to bring your own sleeping bag? I’d love to hear about itineraries you’ve done without a guide, just with a map and GPS.
Thanks, and have a great day!
Hi everyone!
We’re planning a 15-day road trip to Scotland this summer, specifically to explore and hike on Lewis and Harris—places we’ve never been before. We’ve visited other islands on previous road trips in Scotland (we usually go in April for a week). This would be our first time in Scotland in the summer and for 15 days. We’re looking at late August to early September.
I’m currently drafting the itinerary. We’d be crossing from Ullapool and were thinking of spending 3 nights on Harris and 4 nights on Lewis.
Does that sound balanced to you? Is it better to keep the same accommodation on Harris and the same on Lewis to explore the area? I’d love to hear about any past experiences you’ve had on these islands. Thanks!
I’m currently drafting the itinerary. We’d be crossing from Ullapool and were thinking of spending 3 nights on Harris and 4 nights on Lewis.
Does that sound balanced to you? Is it better to keep the same accommodation on Harris and the same on Lewis to explore the area? I’d love to hear about any past experiences you’ve had on these islands. Thanks!
Hi there, I’m trying to leave for 15 days very soon to São Vicente. I’m either looking to join an agency or figure things out on my own to go hiking on one of these islands or both. From what I’ve seen, it’s not easy to organize with local transport, so it gets expensive. Can I use the services of a small local agency? I’m looking for the simplest way to hike for several days. Also, how do you get from São Vicente to São Nicolau? Thanks in advance and have a great day!
Aichatou
Hi there,
I’ve been wanting to do this for several years, and this year’s the one. Next September, I’ll be trekking in Tusheti (Georgia), from Omalo to Shatili. Of course, I won’t be renting a vehicle that’d just sit unused. No problem getting to Pshaveli, but from there to Omalo, it’s a dirt road (still the case?) There must be some form of public transport since there are so many guesthouses, and not all travelers come in a 4x4. If any of you have been to Omalo, could you confirm that these shared transports exist and how often they run?
I’ve been wanting to do this for several years, and this year’s the one. Next September, I’ll be trekking in Tusheti (Georgia), from Omalo to Shatili. Of course, I won’t be renting a vehicle that’d just sit unused. No problem getting to Pshaveli, but from there to Omalo, it’s a dirt road (still the case?) There must be some form of public transport since there are so many guesthouses, and not all travelers come in a 4x4. If any of you have been to Omalo, could you confirm that these shared transports exist and how often they run?
hi
we’re planning a trip to Yellowstone and hoping to do a three-day backcountry hike if we get a permit. if any of you have done this before, could you let me know if it’s possible to find water along the way? And if we can transport it, are we allowed to use a stove?
thanks for any tips!
sandra
we’re planning a trip to Yellowstone and hoping to do a three-day backcountry hike if we get a permit. if any of you have done this before, could you let me know if it’s possible to find water along the way? And if we can transport it, are we allowed to use a stove?
thanks for any tips!
sandra