Nous sommes 2 amis partant pour le Népal du 20 Octobre au 18 Novembre.
Nous allons faire dans un premier temps un trek autour de l'Everest via les 3 cols.
Nous arrivons le 21 à KTM, le 22 quelques visites sont prévues (Biggest Buddhist Stupa ( Bouddhanath), Greatest Hindu's temple ( pashupatinath), & Monkey temple ( Shyambhunath)) et le trek commence le 23/10 pour se finir le 08/11.
Il nous restera alors 8 jours pour visiter la vallée de Katmandou, le 17/10 nous ferons ce qu'il nous reste à voir dans Katmandou je pense.
J’hésite à l'idée de prendre un guide pour faire cette partie de visite. Je ne sais pas si les itinéraires sont faciles à trouver, les logements à reserver etc.
Niveau découpage des étapes, j'ai un peu du mal à évaluer les distances et temps de marche. Je ne sais pas aussi si dans ce que j'ai prévu, des choses sont à enlever du fait du précédent séisme, si je dois rajouter d'autres choses à faire (Pokhara me semble trop loin pour 2 - 3 jours)
Si quelqu'un pouvait m'aiguiller, cela m'aiderait grandement.
Comme alternative, tu peux envisager de ne pas reprendre l'avion a Lukla et de continuer des jours de trek supplementaires jusque Phaphlu, Shivalaya et Jiri. A mon avis, c'est plus interessant que 8 jours dans la vallee de Ktm.
Ou alors tu peux regarder le trek Shivapuri NP - Chisopani - Nagarkot - Dhulikhel.
La vallee de Kathmandou est periurbaine, l'environnement et la beaute des lieux sont fortement degrades (et je ne parle meme pas des destructions du tremblement de terre, comme Bungamati). Enfin, c'est mon avis et, moi, je compare avec ma premiere visite en 1983 ...
La traversee du PN de Shivapuri reste de la pure nature, sauf les horribles batiments a Chisopani. Dhulikhel a Panauti reste agreable, bien qu'il y ait beaucoup de routes.
Il nous restera alors 8 jours pour visiter la vallée de Katmandou, le 17/10 nous ferons ce qu'il nous reste à voir dans Katmandou je pense.
Je suis de l'avis de Willemspie pour ce qui est de la vallée de KTM. il vaut mieux à mon avis faire un petit trek dans l'Helambu( parc de Shivapuri) sur 3 ou 5 jours au départ de Sundarijal( à 1h de bus de KTM) avec la carte Helambu Langtang on a une meilleure idée du parcours possible selon le nombre de jours.
www.azimutnepal.com/...s-ouest-de-l-helambu.
Il faut quand même visiter Bakhtapur ( 1 demie journée)
Ok merci pour vos infos. Je vais regarder ça alors.
Par contre, vous me conseillez de prendre un guide ou pas. Et pour les logements, je n'ai encore rien ...
Au niveau des temples et villages à voir, à part Bhaktapur, y a t il d'autres lieux incontournables, tout en tenant compte du précédent seisme? Patan? Namobuddah?
C'est la première fois que je vais au Népal donc j'aimerais voir des choses diverses, la haute montagne lors de mon gros trek et ensuite des rizières avec vues sur les montagnes, mais aussi quelques temples.
Concernant le petit trek autour de la vallee de Kathmandu et visiter des monuments prancipeaux, c'est celon de votre desire, si vous desirez de savoir tous les histoirs cultures, monuments et paysages des himalaya, c'est mieux de prendre le guide si non vous pouvez le faire sans guide ni porter, vous pouvez trouvere des lodge ou guest house facilement autour de la vallee de KATHMANDU.
Suivant votre desire de visiter les monuments, j'ai refait votre programme en order, pour pouvoir visiter tous les chooses. vous touverez ci joint en dossier.
concernant l'hebergement a Kathmandu si vous desierez heberger chambre dots, j'ai une chamber simple avec 2 lits dans mon apprartement, vous pouvez rester, c'est just 5 minutes apied du Thamel. si vous desire vous ete bien venu (contactez moi "raipuran@hotmail.com" ou sur facebook.com/raipuran, vous pouvez me trouverez)
programme en detailles
Jour 1: visite Swambhu (monkey temple), Pashupati et apres midi Bodnath. Nuit a Boudha
Jour 2: Depart de boudha pour Sankhu en bus local et visite ancien villee Sankhu et puis visit Vajrayogini temple, retour Sankhu pour dejeuner et puis montee jusqu'a Nagarkot environ 4heurs
Jour 3: Nagarkot pour Dhulikhel par le Kashi bhanjyang pour voir les paysages et culture en terras, 4/5 heurs.
Jour 4: Dhulikhel pour Namobuddha par Kavre Bhanjyang, 4 heurs
Jour 5: Namobudha pour Panaut par Banthali, 5/6 heures
Jour 6: Visit panauti et retour a Bhaktapur en bus local. Nuit a Bhaktapur
Jour 7: Visit Bhaktapur et Changunarayan
Jour 8: Visit Patan bungamati et Khokana et retour a Kathmandu
Jour 9: Visite Kirtipur et Kathmandu durbarsquar (basantapur)
Jour 10: Visite Godawari et Pulchoki temple
C'est un bon programme pour visiter tous les monuments que vous desirez et aussi aurez assez du temps pour profiter si non c'est mieux de prendre transfert privee
Pour les autres informations vous etes bien venu
cordialement
puran
Merci pour ta longue réponse. Si j'ai bien compris, tu te trouves à Ktm. Du coup, tous les lieux proposés dans ton planning sont toujours en bon état, même après le seisme ?
Ensuite, que penses tu de l idée du petit trek dans l'Helambu (parc de Shivapuri)?
Bonne journée
ok merci pour l'info !
Pfffffff c'est pas facile du tout de tout caler là ...
Biggest Buddhist Stupa (Bouddhanath), Greatest Hindu's temple (pashupatinath), & Monkey temple (Shyambhunath) seront fait à mon arrivée à KTM mi Octobre.
En essayant de combiner les 2, çà pourrait donner çà mais c'est à travailler encore ...
Surement des etapes à reorganiser, des choses à enlever ou à rajouter.
09/11 : KTM – Changunarayan – Bakhtapur (1° journée seulement visite pour récupérer encore du trek)
10/11 : Bakhtapur – Sundarijal puis trek jusqu’à Chisapani (4, 5h de marche)
11/11 : trek Chisapani-Kutumsang (3h de marche)
12/11 : trek Kutumsang-Mahankal (3h marche) puis retour Bakhtapur ??? (3-4 h transfert)
13/11 : Bakhtapur – Sankhu (visite ancienne ville + Vajrayogini temple) – marche jusqu’à Nagarkot
14/11 : trek Nagarkot (levé de soleil) - Kashi bhanjyang - Dhulikhel
15/11 : trek Dhulikhel - Kavre Bhanjyang – Namobuddha
16/11 : trek Namobudha – Banthali – Panauti
17/11 : Patan
18/11 : Vol retour France à midi
Bhaktapur Changu Narayan ne sont pas sur la route vers Sundarijal, sauf si tu redescends a pied de Changu Narayan cote Nord et tu passes la nuit a Buddha; Buddha est bien sur le chemin de Sundarijal.
ok. J'ai vraiment beaucoup de mal à mettre tout en place.
J'essaie de voir avec Google maps mais je n'arrive pas à trouver tous les lieux etc donc ce n'est pas facile.
Tu me conseillerais de commencer le trek de l'helambu direct de KTM du coup?
Ceci te semble bien ou tu ferais autre chose?
10/11 : KTM - Sundarijal puis trek jusqu’à Chisapani (4, 5h de marche)
11/11 : trek Chisapani-Kutumsang (3h de marche)
12/11 : trek Kutumsang-Mahankal (3h marche) puis retour Bakhtapur ??? (3-4 h transfert)
Oui tu peux aussi visiter et loger a Buddha en chemin de Sundarijal. Un autre choix est de commencer le trek a Buddhanilkanta, mais la c'est une longue journee de marche dans le PN Shivapuri jusque Chisopani.
Bhaktapur est en effet le long du trajet de retour en bus depuis Melamchi Bazar.
Bonjour
Une parti de la ville du Shankhu et Bhaktapur sont beaucoup toucher par les seisme.
D’apres moi, je propose ce programme ci-dessous pour bonne sens et de ne pas etre tres complique.
N’oubliez pas prendre TIMS quand vous allez faire le trek Sundarijal a Chisopani
9/11 : Kathmandu – Sundarijal puis trek jusqu’à Chisapani (4, 5h de marche)
10/11 : trek Chisapani-Kutumsang (3h de marche)
11/11 : trek Kutumsang- soit descent Gyalthum ou Mahankal (3h marche) puis retour Patan 4 h de route.
12/11 : Patan Visite
13/11 : Patan – Sankhu (visite ancienne ville + Vajrayogini temple) – marche jusqu’à Nagarkot 3 /4 heures de marche.
14/11 : trek Nagarkot (levé de soleil) - Kashi bhanjyang - Dhulikhel
15/11 : trek Dhulikhel - Kavre Bhanjyang – Namobuddha
16/11 : trek Namobudha – Banthali – Panauti
17/11 : Bhaktapur
18/11 : Vol retour France à midi
Tu es donc d'accord sur le fait qu'il est interressant de faire le parc de Shivapuri?
Pour ton planning, je ne sais pas ce qu'en pensent les autres mais effectivement, l'idée de terminer par Bhaktapur me plait bien.
La seule question que je me pose, c'est comment je vais faire pour faire suivre mes bagages. Car je voudrais prendre un duffle bag pour la soute et un sac de randonnée pour le trek.
Mais du coup, je vais galérer à faire suivre mon duffle bag durant le circuit de la vallée de KTM.
Sinon, tu me conseilles de prendre un guide pour faire cette partie? Et niveau logements, je dois réserver d'ici ou le faire au jour le jour?
Bonjour
Oui, le petit trek du Shivapuri est interressant, si la bonne meteo vous aurez belle vue des chain du Langtang et le parti du Ganesh Himal lequel vous allez monque depuis Nagarkot et Dhulikhel et aussi des village Tamang.
personnalement, je vous conseille de prendre un porteur pour 3 jours de marche de Chisapani à Melamchi et prendre un grand sac a dos (70/80 littres) pour le porter et un petit sac a dos pour la journee 30/40littres.
le trek de la vallee Kathmandu, vous pouvez faire tout seul.
pour le lodge, vous deverez reserver au jour le jour, il n'y as pas de systemps de reserver a l'avance.
bon trek
Puran
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Bon, départ dans 2 semaines !!!
Voici mon nouvel itinéraire que j'ai travaillé avec Puran (merci à lui et aux autres membres)
Si vous avez des remarques, des choses à ajouter ou supprimer, n’hésitez pas.
09/11 : Kathmandu – Sundarijal puis trek jusqu’à Chisapani (4, 5h de marche)
10/11 : trek Chisapani-Nagarkot 4h30
11/11 : trek Nagarkot (levé de soleil) - Kashi bhanjyang - Dhulikhel
12/11 : trek Dhulikhel - Kavre Bhanjyang – Namobuddha
13/11 : trek Namobudha – Banthali – Panauti
14/11 : bus Panauti – Bhaktapur puis visite Bhaktapur
15/11 : bus pour Changunarayan et trek Sankhu, visit Vajrayogini et retour a Patan
16/11 : Patan Visite
17/11 : Kathmandu (Durbar square, quartiers "populaires" de KTM (Asan Tole, Indra Chowk, Chhetrapati, Jyatha, Old Baneshwor, New Road, Jhhochne)
18/11 : Vol retour France à midi
Pour le trek Shivapuri, je n'ai donc pas les étapes Chisapani - Kutumsang et Kutumsang - Melamchi Bazar.
Le 08/11, nous reprenons l'avion de Lukla tôt le matin. Donc à voir si ce qui est prévu le 17/11 ou la visite de Patan peut être fait ce jour là et rallonger la durée du trek Shivapuri si celà en vaut vraiment la peine. Mais vu que nous reviendrons d'un long trek, je ne sais pas si c'est une bonne idée de trop vouloir en faire ...
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