Vélo Argentine - Chili: itinéraires dans ces deux pays?
by Berengiermar
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Bonjour,
Je suis un un adepte de la randonnee en vélo.
J'ai écumé l'Asie ces dernières années , et l'envie me vient de changer de continent.
Je voyage seul en général, Je dors un peu n'importe où en improvisant, dénuement ou luxe,
Je pédale pour le plaisir et pas pour me faire mal.
Quelqu' un pourrait me renseigner et me conseiller des itinéraires dans ces deux pays.
Par avance merci.
marc
Marc Berengier
Bonjour Marc,
Le Chili et l'Argentine effectivement il y a de quoi faire. Pour ma part je ne connais que le nord. J'y suis passé deux fois, la première au cours d'une traversée Quito Uyuni , j'ai traversé les parcs nord du Chili 5 jours 300 km:
http://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=3977832;#3977832
et puis une deuxième fois j'ai fait une traversée de l'Atacama de Arica à Santiago via Bolivie et Argentine; ce fut fabuleux. Récemment une jeune femme, après avoir (entre autre) lu mon CR de cette balade, est partie faire à peu près la même chose Arica Vaparaiso; Elle est revenue totalement enchantée, et pour parler de ce que tu connais, elle avait trouvé dur la traversée du Laos de la Chine au Cambodge. Pour dire que la traversée de ces grandes zones désertiques de l'Atacama ce n'est pas une expérience pour les extra-terrestres mais avec un peu d'expérience d'orientation et de vie rustique c'est une grande partie de plaisir. Je te mets différents liens des CR de cette balade: le premier mon blog au jour le jour, le second un CR de synthèse que j'ai fait pour une revue, et le dernier la traversée du Sud Lipez expérience fabuleuse.
http://mesbaladesetescalades.hautetfort.com/archive/2013/09/06/traversee-de-l-atacama-5157600.html
http://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=6627816;#6627816
http://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=6294444;#6294444
Bonne préparation, un pays qui touche ces deux pays, Argentine et Chili, et qui est le pays qui m'a le plus marqué c'est la Bolivie. Luc
et puis une deuxième fois j'ai fait une traversée de l'Atacama de Arica à Santiago via Bolivie et Argentine; ce fut fabuleux. Récemment une jeune femme, après avoir (entre autre) lu mon CR de cette balade, est partie faire à peu près la même chose Arica Vaparaiso; Elle est revenue totalement enchantée, et pour parler de ce que tu connais, elle avait trouvé dur la traversée du Laos de la Chine au Cambodge. Pour dire que la traversée de ces grandes zones désertiques de l'Atacama ce n'est pas une expérience pour les extra-terrestres mais avec un peu d'expérience d'orientation et de vie rustique c'est une grande partie de plaisir. Je te mets différents liens des CR de cette balade: le premier mon blog au jour le jour, le second un CR de synthèse que j'ai fait pour une revue, et le dernier la traversée du Sud Lipez expérience fabuleuse.
http://mesbaladesetescalades.hautetfort.com/archive/2013/09/06/traversee-de-l-atacama-5157600.html
http://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=6627816;#6627816
http://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=6294444;#6294444
Bonne préparation, un pays qui touche ces deux pays, Argentine et Chili, et qui est le pays qui m'a le plus marqué c'est la Bolivie. Luc
Bonjour, il est difficile de conseiller un itinéraire en Argentine et au Chili, car il y a énormément de possibilités. J'ai voyagé pendant 15 mois à vélo dans ces 2 pays, et il y a encore beaucoup de lieu intéressant que je ne connais pas...
Ça dépend du temps que tu as et du type de climat/paysage que tu recherche.
Tu peux trouver, en commençant par le Chili et par le nord (j'indique par un systéme d'étoiles, ce qui me semble le plus intéressant * = Pas terrible, ***** = Géniale:
- ** Au Nord, de Arica à La Serena, Le désert d'Atacama, le plus sec du monde. Au centre et le long de la côte, tu trouveras un désert sans la moindre végétation, de longues lignes droite asphaltée... Pas le plus intéressant pour voyager à vélo... Climat: Soleil et ciel bleu presque en permanence, température agréable, rarement trop froide ou trop chaude.
- ***** Mais au nord du Chili, il y a quand même un itinéraire magnifique, mais très dur, en longeant la frontière Bolivienne depuis le parc national Lauca à San Pedro de Atacama (90% de pistes, souvent à plus de 4000m d'altitude) . Climat: Beaucoup de soleil, mais nuits très froide
- *** Au centre du Chili, de La Serena à Curico, c'est de la moyenne moyenne, relativement sec. Climat: En été, sec et chaud.
- ** De Curico à Temuco: Pas la partie la plus intéressante du pays...
- **** De Temuco à Puerto Montt: Région très verte, de collines, dominé par d’impressionnant volcans. Climat: Ça peut être très humide. Fortement déconseillé en hiver.
- ***** Puerto Montt à Villa O'Higgins: Ici, c'est la Patagonie et la mythique carretera Australe, incontournable pour de nombreux voyageurs à vélo. Paysages variés et impressionnant depuis le magnifique parc Pumalin, jusqu'au eau d'un bleu incroyable du lac O'Higgins. L'île de Chiloé est intéressante également. Climat humide. A faire en été
-***** Torres del Paine à Puerto Natales: Torres del Paine, un parc national grandiose à traverser à vélo et ne pas hésiter à poser le vélo pour y randonner quelques jours. Beaucoup de vent, à faire en été
-*** Puerto Natales à la Terre de feu Paysages de pampa, le détroit de Magellan... Beaucoup de vent, à faire en été
Dans le prochain message, l'Argentine!
Ça dépend du temps que tu as et du type de climat/paysage que tu recherche.
Tu peux trouver, en commençant par le Chili et par le nord (j'indique par un systéme d'étoiles, ce qui me semble le plus intéressant * = Pas terrible, ***** = Géniale:
- ** Au Nord, de Arica à La Serena, Le désert d'Atacama, le plus sec du monde. Au centre et le long de la côte, tu trouveras un désert sans la moindre végétation, de longues lignes droite asphaltée... Pas le plus intéressant pour voyager à vélo... Climat: Soleil et ciel bleu presque en permanence, température agréable, rarement trop froide ou trop chaude.
- ***** Mais au nord du Chili, il y a quand même un itinéraire magnifique, mais très dur, en longeant la frontière Bolivienne depuis le parc national Lauca à San Pedro de Atacama (90% de pistes, souvent à plus de 4000m d'altitude) . Climat: Beaucoup de soleil, mais nuits très froide
- *** Au centre du Chili, de La Serena à Curico, c'est de la moyenne moyenne, relativement sec. Climat: En été, sec et chaud.
- ** De Curico à Temuco: Pas la partie la plus intéressante du pays...
- **** De Temuco à Puerto Montt: Région très verte, de collines, dominé par d’impressionnant volcans. Climat: Ça peut être très humide. Fortement déconseillé en hiver.
- ***** Puerto Montt à Villa O'Higgins: Ici, c'est la Patagonie et la mythique carretera Australe, incontournable pour de nombreux voyageurs à vélo. Paysages variés et impressionnant depuis le magnifique parc Pumalin, jusqu'au eau d'un bleu incroyable du lac O'Higgins. L'île de Chiloé est intéressante également. Climat humide. A faire en été
-***** Torres del Paine à Puerto Natales: Torres del Paine, un parc national grandiose à traverser à vélo et ne pas hésiter à poser le vélo pour y randonner quelques jours. Beaucoup de vent, à faire en été
-*** Puerto Natales à la Terre de feu Paysages de pampa, le détroit de Magellan... Beaucoup de vent, à faire en été
Dans le prochain message, l'Argentine!
Bonjour et merci mille fois.
L'enthousiasme me gagné! J'étudie et reviendrai vers toi. Marc
Marc Berengier
L'Argentine, depuis le sud:
- ***: Ushuaïa à El Calafate: Beaucoup de pampa, peu de population et un vent qui peu être terrible! A faire en été.
-*****: El Calafate à El Chalten: L'une des plus belles partie de la Patagonie, avec le glacier Perrito Moreno, et le mont Fitz Roy à El Chalten.
-****: El Chalten à San Carlos de Barriloche: De jolies paysages en longeant la cordillère, mais très dur, que de la piste en mauvais état, très très peu de population. Il est plus intéressant de faire cette partie côté Chilien, par la Carretera Australe.
-*** A l'est de la Patagonie, sur la côte de Comodoro Rivadavia à San Antonio Oeste: Dans cette zone, ce qui est intéressant, c'est la côte Atlantique et surtout la faune: baleines, manchots, lions de mer, éléphants de mer, nandus, guanacos... Mais entre chaque plage où il est possinble d'observer cette faune, ce sont d'interminable route où piste dans la pampa, avec toujours un vent violent. Ce n'est pas une région faite pour les voyageurs à vélo, sauf si tu es fan de la faune marine.
-***** De San Carlos de Barriloche à Buta Ranquil, en prenant les routes et pistes qui longent la frontière Chilienne, c'est une succession de lacs de rivières, de montagnes et de forêt magnifique! En particulier, la route des 7 lacs, et toute la partie nord-ouest de la province de Neuquen (Rahué, Alumine, Copahué, Volcan Tromen, Volcan Domuyo)
-*** De Buta Ranquil à Cafayate C'est beau, mais parfois monotone... Climat plus clément, chuad en été et relativement sec.
-***** De Cafayate à la frontière Bolivienne: Le nord-ouest Argentin, grandiose avec les quebradas rouges, les montagnes multicolores. Plus au nord à l'approche de la frontière Bolivienne, l'Altiplano et ses paysages magnifiques.
2 des énormes coup de coeurs de mes 3ans de voyages - L'Abra el Acay, plus haut col d'Argentine (environ 4900m) depuis Cafayate en passant par la quebrada de las flechas, Cachi, jusqu'à San Antonio de los Cobres, puis la traversée du salar de Salinas Grandes.
La 2ème, je vous en parle demain... Et ce qui vaut le détour en Argentine et au Chili, ce sont les cols qui traversent la Cordillère des Andes. Demain, je vous dis les plus beaux parmi ceux que je connais et je vous donne mon itinéraire favori dans ces 2 pays.
- ***: Ushuaïa à El Calafate: Beaucoup de pampa, peu de population et un vent qui peu être terrible! A faire en été.
-*****: El Calafate à El Chalten: L'une des plus belles partie de la Patagonie, avec le glacier Perrito Moreno, et le mont Fitz Roy à El Chalten.
-****: El Chalten à San Carlos de Barriloche: De jolies paysages en longeant la cordillère, mais très dur, que de la piste en mauvais état, très très peu de population. Il est plus intéressant de faire cette partie côté Chilien, par la Carretera Australe.
-*** A l'est de la Patagonie, sur la côte de Comodoro Rivadavia à San Antonio Oeste: Dans cette zone, ce qui est intéressant, c'est la côte Atlantique et surtout la faune: baleines, manchots, lions de mer, éléphants de mer, nandus, guanacos... Mais entre chaque plage où il est possinble d'observer cette faune, ce sont d'interminable route où piste dans la pampa, avec toujours un vent violent. Ce n'est pas une région faite pour les voyageurs à vélo, sauf si tu es fan de la faune marine.
-***** De San Carlos de Barriloche à Buta Ranquil, en prenant les routes et pistes qui longent la frontière Chilienne, c'est une succession de lacs de rivières, de montagnes et de forêt magnifique! En particulier, la route des 7 lacs, et toute la partie nord-ouest de la province de Neuquen (Rahué, Alumine, Copahué, Volcan Tromen, Volcan Domuyo)
-*** De Buta Ranquil à Cafayate C'est beau, mais parfois monotone... Climat plus clément, chuad en été et relativement sec.
-***** De Cafayate à la frontière Bolivienne: Le nord-ouest Argentin, grandiose avec les quebradas rouges, les montagnes multicolores. Plus au nord à l'approche de la frontière Bolivienne, l'Altiplano et ses paysages magnifiques.
2 des énormes coup de coeurs de mes 3ans de voyages - L'Abra el Acay, plus haut col d'Argentine (environ 4900m) depuis Cafayate en passant par la quebrada de las flechas, Cachi, jusqu'à San Antonio de los Cobres, puis la traversée du salar de Salinas Grandes.
La 2ème, je vous en parle demain... Et ce qui vaut le détour en Argentine et au Chili, ce sont les cols qui traversent la Cordillère des Andes. Demain, je vous dis les plus beaux parmi ceux que je connais et je vous donne mon itinéraire favori dans ces 2 pays.
La 2ème piste coup de cœur dans le nord-ouest de l'Argentine, et très peu connu, c'est une piste qui démarre de Humahuaca et pars vers l'est. ça commence par un col à 4200 m d'altitude, avec vu au sommet sur le spectaculaire Cerro Hornocal, la montagne aux 14 couleurs. Ensuite, c'est l'Abra el Zenta, une succession de col à 4600m d'altitude, avec au minimum 2 jours sans voir une habitation et les paysages typique de haute altitude dans les Andes. Et ensuite, c'est une très longue descente vers le village de Santa Ana. Ensuite, il y a quelques kilomètres (8 environ) sur un petit chemin pour entrée dans les Yungas. Une zone de moyenne montagne, avec des forêts très humide et une faune et flore exubérante jusqu'au parc national Calilegua.
Plus d'informations sur cette piste ici: A la fin de cette page: http://www.2rouesvagabondes.fr/argentine-tucuman-salta-jujuy-a117870290
Et ici: http://www.2rouesvagabondes.fr/argentine-les-yungas-a118084386
Et beaucoup d'idées et d'informations sur l'Argentine et le Chili ici: http://www.2rouesvagabondes.fr/carnet-de-voyage-p376282
Plus d'informations sur cette piste ici: A la fin de cette page: http://www.2rouesvagabondes.fr/argentine-tucuman-salta-jujuy-a117870290
Et ici: http://www.2rouesvagabondes.fr/argentine-les-yungas-a118084386
Et beaucoup d'idées et d'informations sur l'Argentine et le Chili ici: http://www.2rouesvagabondes.fr/carnet-de-voyage-p376282
Bonjour
Si tu ne crains pas l'altitude, le froid, le vent, les mauvaises pistes je te conseillerai de t'offrir tous les pasos (cols) entre Argentine et Chili, faire un tour dans le désert d'Atacama, dire bonjour au Pacifique...
Des itinéraires il y en a des milliers... De combien de temps disposes-tu ?
J'ai traversé l'AL de Caracas a Ushuaïa, cela m'a pris 19 mois. Je suis en train d'écrire le récit de mon voyage, j'ai fermé mon blog pour risque de piratage par un éditeur pour le moins indélicat.
Donne-moi des précisions sur ce que tu recherches, je pourrai alors de faire des suggestions. Le meilleur conseil apprends l'espagnol.
Cyclamitiés
Françoise alias Frannycyclo mais j'ai perdu l'adresse email associée et le mot de passe !
Bonjour et merci beaucoup.
J'ai tout le temps, le courage, mais pas suicidaire non plus!
J'en suis au début du projet que je mettrais en oeuvre à l'automne, en conséquence j'étudie.
On se reparle bientôt.
marc
Marc Berengier
Ce que j'ai fait relève peut-être de l'exploit mais n'était nullement suicidaire, en dehors de mes enfants jamais je ne me suis sentie aussi vivante !
Premier conseil (après celui d'apprendre la langue) : caler son voyage si c'est possible sur les saisons de là-bas.
Deuxième conseil : en ce qui concerne les cartes, en dehors des grandes stations d'essence du Chili, c'est simple on n'en trouve pas...
Troisième conseil : favoriser le solide pour tout.
Quatrième conseil : se préparer à voir du beau, de l'immensément beau, se préparer à recevoir un accueil démesuré !
Cinquième conseil : ne pas écouter les conseils !
Cyclamitiés
Françoise
P.S. je suis redevenue Frannycyclo, mystères du net !
Françoise
www.frannycyclo.com
Bonjour et Merci.
Je vais tout de même retenir quelques uns de vos conseils.
J'attaque à peine le projet. Mon idée première était de faire un tour au chili à partir de Santiago, puis de me rendre en argentine et rentrer par Buenos aires, mais bon, je n'ai même pas encore acheté de carte.... Merci à bientôt.
PS pour la neige je suis plutôt peaux de phoque.
Marc Berengier
Je vois que l'on vous a déjà donné pas mal de conseils judicieux.
Il y a tellement de merveilles à voir que je vais vous redonner un conseil, prenez tout le temps dont vous disposez. Ayez aux pieds des chaussures qui vous permettent de marcher, ça vaut le coup de s'offrir quelques randonnées comme Torres del Paine que je vous offre délicatement...
Et pour la neige, des fois on n'a pas le choix à moins de faire comme les marmottes ou les ours, hiberner et attendre...
Et pour la neige, des fois on n'a pas le choix à moins de faire comme les marmottes ou les ours, hiberner et attendre...Françoise
www.frannycyclo.com
Je confirme les conseils de Frannycyclo.
Pour les cartes, effectivement pour le Chili, tu en trouveras d'excellentes dans les stations essences COPEC. Dans les autres pays, ca se trouve, mais c'est plus dur, c'est sans doute mieux de partir avec tes cartes routières achetées en France.
Et effectivement, je n'en ai pas parlé, mais les cols entre l'Argentine et le Chili sont presque tous magnifiques.
Mes 3 préférés sont: -Le paso Vergara (ou paso del planchon) à faire si possible de l'Argentine vers le Chili. -Le paso del Agua Negra (du Chili vers l'Argentine) -le paso Jama (de l'Argentine vers le Chili)
Et effectivement, je n'en ai pas parlé, mais les cols entre l'Argentine et le Chili sont presque tous magnifiques.
Mes 3 préférés sont: -Le paso Vergara (ou paso del planchon) à faire si possible de l'Argentine vers le Chili. -Le paso del Agua Negra (du Chili vers l'Argentine) -le paso Jama (de l'Argentine vers le Chili)
Je confirme les conseils de Frannycyclo.
Pour les cartes, effectivement pour le Chili, tu en trouveras d'excellentes dans les stations essences COPEC. Dans les autres pays, ca se trouve, mais c'est plus dur, c'est sans doute mieux de partir avec tes cartes routières achetées en France.
Et effectivement, je n'en ai pas parlé, mais les cols entre l'Argentine et le Chili sont presque tous magnifiques.
Mes 3 préférés sont: -Le paso Vergara (ou paso del planchon) à faire si possible de l'Argentine vers le Chili. -Le paso del Agua Negra (du Chili vers l'Argentine) -le paso Jama (de l'Argentine vers le Chili)
Je crois que j'y retournerai rien que pour aller de paso en paso, c'est trop génial à tous points de vue... Mais tout étant tellement super en AL, il n'y a que l'embarras du choix... Berengiermar, dés que je serai en état de repartir je te demanderai des renseignements sur l'Asie parce que j'ai des idées qui me trottent dans la tête. Cyclamitiés Françoise
Et effectivement, je n'en ai pas parlé, mais les cols entre l'Argentine et le Chili sont presque tous magnifiques.
Mes 3 préférés sont: -Le paso Vergara (ou paso del planchon) à faire si possible de l'Argentine vers le Chili. -Le paso del Agua Negra (du Chili vers l'Argentine) -le paso Jama (de l'Argentine vers le Chili)
Je crois que j'y retournerai rien que pour aller de paso en paso, c'est trop génial à tous points de vue... Mais tout étant tellement super en AL, il n'y a que l'embarras du choix... Berengiermar, dés que je serai en état de repartir je te demanderai des renseignements sur l'Asie parce que j'ai des idées qui me trottent dans la tête. Cyclamitiés Françoise
Françoise
www.frannycyclo.com
J'ai envoyé une réponse, mais je doute qu'elle soit bien partie.
Marc
Marc Berengier
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Hi there, I’m planning a cross-Canada bike trip, and I’ve got a question that might seem silly, but could someone tell me how to pack a bike (in a box, with a fragile sticker... I don’t know) for a flight? Thanks in advance!
Hi everyone,
This summer, we’re planning to cycle along the EV 19 that follows the Meuse River from Langres all the way to Rotterdam. My question is about getting back to Nantes. Do any of you know what the best return option might be? I’d love to hear about your experiences. I saw that FlixBus doesn’t take bikes. By train, I think it’s possible but would involve multiple local trains. We were also wondering if there’s a boat from Rotterdam to Saint-Nazaire that could take passengers with bikes.
Any tips or experiences you can share would be really helpful—thanks in advance! Have a great evening
This summer, we’re planning to cycle along the EV 19 that follows the Meuse River from Langres all the way to Rotterdam. My question is about getting back to Nantes. Do any of you know what the best return option might be? I’d love to hear about your experiences. I saw that FlixBus doesn’t take bikes. By train, I think it’s possible but would involve multiple local trains. We were also wondering if there’s a boat from Rotterdam to Saint-Nazaire that could take passengers with bikes.
Any tips or experiences you can share would be really helpful—thanks in advance! Have a great evening
I’ve gotten used to crossing Europe by bus to return by bike.
It was really convenient to take the bike without having to disassemble it.
But FlixBus no longer accepts bikes...
What alternatives do you know about?
Thanks.
Hi there,
I’m planning to ride the Dutch section of the EuroVelo 19, from Maastricht to Rotterdam.
Since it’s too complicated to bring my bike on the train, I’m looking to rent one locally.
I’d love any tips or bike rental shop recommendations—I’m struggling to find options even in Rotterdam.
The plan is to rent in Rotterdam, take the train to Maastricht with the bike, then cycle back to Rotterdam.
Thanks in advance for any advice or suggestions!
Nath
Hi there,
I’m planning to cycle from Morlaix to Brest (via Roscoff and the V45 coastal route). We’ll start riding on August 16th for 13 days (with stops for island visits, surfing, etc.). Is there a lot of traffic at this time of year? I’ve got two kids, 11 and 13, and we don’t like riding in the middle of cars (we’ve already done the Vélomaritime—Caen to Cherbourg—the Loire route from Orléans to Saumur, the Vélodyssée from Nantes to Royans, and the canals like the Nivernais and Bourgogne, where there were plenty of bike-only lanes, which isn’t the case on this route).
Thanks for your help if you’ve already done this route in late August! Virginie
I’m planning to cycle from Morlaix to Brest (via Roscoff and the V45 coastal route). We’ll start riding on August 16th for 13 days (with stops for island visits, surfing, etc.). Is there a lot of traffic at this time of year? I’ve got two kids, 11 and 13, and we don’t like riding in the middle of cars (we’ve already done the Vélomaritime—Caen to Cherbourg—the Loire route from Orléans to Saumur, the Vélodyssée from Nantes to Royans, and the canals like the Nivernais and Bourgogne, where there were plenty of bike-only lanes, which isn’t the case on this route).
Thanks for your help if you’ve already done this route in late August! Virginie
Coming soon:
https://www.Biclou.com/parcours/durance/
Starting from Faverges: 900 km over 9 days

Here’s the detailed Durance route starting from Briançon

Here’s the detailed Durance route starting from Briançon

Hi there,
I’m planning to build a new touring bike. I want to prioritize lightness. That said, I’m tempted by a suspension fork that could offer some comfort on rougher roads. The recent appearance of gravel suspension forks on the market might meet my needs—at least on paper. I’m particularly considering the RockShox Rudy Ultimate XPLR fork. Unlike MTB forks, its travel is short: either 30 mm or 40 mm. It weighs 1400 g, which is 400/500 g more than a steel fork.
Any thoughts or real-world feedback on this?
I’m also wondering about the durability of magnesium (lower leg) for long-distance bike touring. And what’s the impact of skipping the manufacturer-recommended maintenance every 50 and 200 hours? That’s bound to happen on a long trip unless you carry extra gear. More generally, how reliable are these kinds of forks?
Thanks in advance
I’m planning to build a new touring bike. I want to prioritize lightness. That said, I’m tempted by a suspension fork that could offer some comfort on rougher roads. The recent appearance of gravel suspension forks on the market might meet my needs—at least on paper. I’m particularly considering the RockShox Rudy Ultimate XPLR fork. Unlike MTB forks, its travel is short: either 30 mm or 40 mm. It weighs 1400 g, which is 400/500 g more than a steel fork.
Any thoughts or real-world feedback on this?
I’m also wondering about the durability of magnesium (lower leg) for long-distance bike touring. And what’s the impact of skipping the manufacturer-recommended maintenance every 50 and 200 hours? That’s bound to happen on a long trip unless you carry extra gear. More generally, how reliable are these kinds of forks?
Thanks in advance
Hi there!
I’m making an exception and creating a separate post this time, since it’s all about France. In May, we spent a week in Provence, specifically in the Luberon, exploring the cycling routes *Autour du Luberon à Vélo*, the *Véloroute du Calavon* (part of EuroVelo 8), and the shorter *Les Ocres à Vélo* route. Together, they gave us an amazing journey through rolling hills, vineyards, lavender fields still green in spring, and some of the most stunning landscapes in southern France.

It was, of course, the perched villages that impressed us the most. We visited Gordes, Roussillon, Bonnieux, Lacoste, Lourmarin, Ménerbes, Oppède-le-Vieux, Cucuron, and Lauris. Many of them are among the most beautiful villages in Provence, and it’s hard not to agree with that reputation.




One interesting point is the route of EuroVelo 8 in this part of the region. The official path mainly follows the old railway line of the *Véloroute du Calavon*, which is very comfortable and safe. But in our opinion, cyclists traveling EuroVelo 8 around the Mediterranean would discover even more treasures if the route passed through villages like Bonnieux, Lacoste, or Oppède-le-Vieux.


We were also pleasantly surprised by how safe cycling felt. Most of the route takes small local roads, but traffic is light, drivers are respectful, and road design really takes cyclists into account. It’s one of those places where you can ride peacefully even without separated bike lanes.



Our full story:
Around Luberon by bicycle - the most beautiful villages of Provence
You can also find all our cycling travel stories on the forum:
Cycling Thread - Europe’s most beautiful bike routes
S.
I’m making an exception and creating a separate post this time, since it’s all about France. In May, we spent a week in Provence, specifically in the Luberon, exploring the cycling routes *Autour du Luberon à Vélo*, the *Véloroute du Calavon* (part of EuroVelo 8), and the shorter *Les Ocres à Vélo* route. Together, they gave us an amazing journey through rolling hills, vineyards, lavender fields still green in spring, and some of the most stunning landscapes in southern France.

It was, of course, the perched villages that impressed us the most. We visited Gordes, Roussillon, Bonnieux, Lacoste, Lourmarin, Ménerbes, Oppède-le-Vieux, Cucuron, and Lauris. Many of them are among the most beautiful villages in Provence, and it’s hard not to agree with that reputation.




One interesting point is the route of EuroVelo 8 in this part of the region. The official path mainly follows the old railway line of the *Véloroute du Calavon*, which is very comfortable and safe. But in our opinion, cyclists traveling EuroVelo 8 around the Mediterranean would discover even more treasures if the route passed through villages like Bonnieux, Lacoste, or Oppède-le-Vieux.


We were also pleasantly surprised by how safe cycling felt. Most of the route takes small local roads, but traffic is light, drivers are respectful, and road design really takes cyclists into account. It’s one of those places where you can ride peacefully even without separated bike lanes.



Our full story:
Around Luberon by bicycle - the most beautiful villages of Provence
You can also find all our cycling travel stories on the forum:
Cycling Thread - Europe’s most beautiful bike routes
S.
Hi there, we’re a group of 4 cyclists looking to get from Treviso in Italy to Munich with our 4 non-folding bikes. It seems complicated! Are there any solutions? Thanks so much.
hello fellow cycling enthusiasts
here’s a travel journal of the cycling tour through the Rhône-Alpes Auvergne region by Claudio
zouli
it was the plan
http://cbandiera.free.fr/parcours/auvergne-Ralpes/
the trip was completed story being posted online soon 1100 km in 11 days beautiful and varied regions
claudio

the trip was completed story being posted online soon 1100 km in 11 days beautiful and varied regions
claudio

Hi, I'm looking for a Pino tandem bike for sale in Quebec and I can't find any. Does anyone have any info, please? Thanks a bunch!
Hi there, we’re planning a Munich to Venice bike trip at the end of June 2026. Getting back from Venice to Toulouse by train with 4 bikes isn’t straightforward. What return options have others who’ve done this trip chosen? Any tips or great deals would be much appreciated. Thanks a bunch! !
Hi everyone,
Happy owner of a Pegasus Estremo bike with a Rohloff hub, which is giving me trouble with the SF11-NCX-FT-E-LITE 700C TS 300/0 fork (serial number TD01329060). It’s starting to show its age, and I’d like to repair it to extend the life of my beloved bike.
The suspension is gone, and there’s an oil leak from the seals.
Does anyone know how to repair it? Where can I find parts that are about fifteen years old? Or where to find an identical replacement fork? Just to clarify, the Magura HS11 brakes are mounted using Firm Tech, meaning they’re on pivots behind the fork, facing the frame.
Thanks for your help! Have a great day, Alexandre
The suspension is gone, and there’s an oil leak from the seals.
Does anyone know how to repair it? Where can I find parts that are about fifteen years old? Or where to find an identical replacement fork? Just to clarify, the Magura HS11 brakes are mounted using Firm Tech, meaning they’re on pivots behind the fork, facing the frame.
Thanks for your help! Have a great day, Alexandre
Hi, I'd like to know if anyone has done this route recently or has reliable info.
Does the track exist, and most importantly, is there sand (for biking)?
Any info is welcome.
Cheers,
diego ambilobe: mangaoka, manondro, ramena vohemar sambava: masondrono, tanambao
diego ambilobe: mangaoka, manondro, ramena vohemar sambava: masondrono, tanambao
Hi there,
New to bike touring,
I’d love to start with a section of the Via Rhona to explore and share (route to be decided).
Looking forward to exchanging tips!
hey everyone,
I’m landing in Madagascar with a buddy before the end of April 2026. We’re planning to bike around for about twenty days or so. We don’t have a specific goal other than exploring the country and meeting the locals.
Ideally, we’d prefer a loop route starting from Antananarivo with a good chunk of it along the coast. On the bike side, we’re used to riding 6 to 8 hours a day, depending on the needs, encounters, and mood 😉 Any feedback or tips from trips around this length?
Thanks in advance, Jérôme
I’m landing in Madagascar with a buddy before the end of April 2026. We’re planning to bike around for about twenty days or so. We don’t have a specific goal other than exploring the country and meeting the locals.
Ideally, we’d prefer a loop route starting from Antananarivo with a good chunk of it along the coast. On the bike side, we’re used to riding 6 to 8 hours a day, depending on the needs, encounters, and mood 😉 Any feedback or tips from trips around this length?
Thanks in advance, Jérôme
A big thank you to Lazarou for all the info you share in this forum!
I'm passionate about Morocco, which I cycled through back in 2009.
Last year, my wife and I explored the High Atlas by tandem. Completely smitten, we're heading back in April (Anti Atlas) and May (High and Middle Atlas), still on our tandem.
Do you have any info on the track between Amezri and Ali Ait Nito? Are the river crossings in the Tessaout still there? It's not easy to navigate with a loaded tandem... especially if the river level is high due to this year's heavy snowmelt!
Thanks in advance for any tips you might have, and best wishes for health in this new year!
Thanks in advance for any tips you might have, and best wishes for health in this new year!
A shout-out to a cycling colleague from Savoie
Claudio specializes in the route of the Savoie lakes Here are his travels Between Bornes, Chartreuse, the Savoie foothills, and Dauphiné Five lakes: Léman, Annecy, Paladru, Aiguebelette, Bourget, not to mention a few ponds along the way Plenty of accommodation options: camping, hotels, and more...
A lovely route not far from his place Rural and quite peaceful A road cycling route created by Serge B...
N+1 reconnaissance trips on a loop of about 400 km This way, he avoids the SNCF and its troubles http://cbandiera.free.fr/vv/lacs-savoie/recos.php

The latest reconnaissance trip from April to May 2026 http://cbandiera.free.fr/recits/2026-grenoble-H/index.php

Claudio specializes in the route of the Savoie lakes Here are his travels Between Bornes, Chartreuse, the Savoie foothills, and Dauphiné Five lakes: Léman, Annecy, Paladru, Aiguebelette, Bourget, not to mention a few ponds along the way Plenty of accommodation options: camping, hotels, and more...
A lovely route not far from his place Rural and quite peaceful A road cycling route created by Serge B...
N+1 reconnaissance trips on a loop of about 400 km This way, he avoids the SNCF and its troubles http://cbandiera.free.fr/vv/lacs-savoie/recos.php


The latest reconnaissance trip from April to May 2026 http://cbandiera.free.fr/recits/2026-grenoble-H/index.php

First of all... happy New Year! Wishing you great roads in 2017!
I’ve been traveling for a few years now with a high-quality mountain bike, but it’s equipped with hydraulic disc brakes. I live (pedal) with the constant worry of a breakdown (leak, air bubble, heat causing the fluid to...). My bike mechanic tells me it’s impossible to switch them out for V-brakes.
What do you all think? Am I taking a big risk continuing (alone) with these brakes? Thanks in advance for your great tips!
Hi everyone,
First post here to share a quick recap of our west-to-east bike trip along Algeria’s coast in January 2025. It was just the two of us—my partner and I—with French passports and not a word of Arabic. No friends or welcoming hosts in the country.
Under those conditions, we’d strongly advise against going.
Our original plan was to follow the coast from Algiers to Tunis. We ended up cycling from Algiers to Béjaia, then took the train from Béjaia to Annaba (with a stop in Constantine), and finally biked to the border. We were tailed by police the whole way—whether on our bikes, on the train, or even on foot while exploring towns. On top of that, we couldn’t wild camp and were limited to the few state-approved hotels that accept foreigners. Under those circumstances, connecting with locals was especially tough.
With such an omnipresent and intrusive police presence, we’d definitely recommend against this destination for bike touring. A really sad situation that completely cuts you off from the local population...
We’d been warned, we went to check it out, and we weren’t disappointed!
You’ve been warned.
First post here to share a quick recap of our west-to-east bike trip along Algeria’s coast in January 2025. It was just the two of us—my partner and I—with French passports and not a word of Arabic. No friends or welcoming hosts in the country.
Under those conditions, we’d strongly advise against going.
Our original plan was to follow the coast from Algiers to Tunis. We ended up cycling from Algiers to Béjaia, then took the train from Béjaia to Annaba (with a stop in Constantine), and finally biked to the border. We were tailed by police the whole way—whether on our bikes, on the train, or even on foot while exploring towns. On top of that, we couldn’t wild camp and were limited to the few state-approved hotels that accept foreigners. Under those circumstances, connecting with locals was especially tough.
With such an omnipresent and intrusive police presence, we’d definitely recommend against this destination for bike touring. A really sad situation that completely cuts you off from the local population...
We’d been warned, we went to check it out, and we weren’t disappointed!
You’ve been warned.
Hi there,
I’m planning the route to cycle from Lille to Nordkapp with my partner.
Duration: 3 months, from May 1st to July 31st, 2026.
In the attached details below, I need to add some "non-riding" days (rest days, basically).
So I’m looking to "shorten" the trip by taking ferries or trains for some stretches. Which areas could I skip?
Thanks in advance for your great tips.
Have a good evening.
https://www.komoot.com/fr-fr/collection/4023980/-lille-cap-nord-1er-mai-au-31-juillet-2026?ref=collection
Hi there,
I’m planning to bike back from Poland this summer. Does anyone know a way to ship it there without having to take it apart? Otherwise, it’s a real hassle to fine-tune all the settings before departure! Thanks in advance.
I’m planning to bike back from Poland this summer. Does anyone know a way to ship it there without having to take it apart? Otherwise, it’s a real hassle to fine-tune all the settings before departure! Thanks in advance.
Hi, has anyone recently bought Primus or Butagaz gas, possibly puncture-style, in Dubrovnik or the surrounding area? Same question for Albania... thanks. aichatou
Hi there,
Coming from Laos (*), I’m planning to enter Thailand by bike via the Fourth Thai–Lao Friendship Bridge.
Before this bridge was built, I’d already cycled the road from Louang Namtha to Houei Sai and crossed the river by boat to reach Thailand.
At the time, the condition of that road was impeccable, and most importantly, traffic was light.
So I’m wondering if anyone who’s taken it recently can tell me whether traffic has increased since the bridge opened.
Thanks in advance!
(*) I’m currently cycling in China (Yunnan)
Coming from Laos (*), I’m planning to enter Thailand by bike via the Fourth Thai–Lao Friendship Bridge.
Before this bridge was built, I’d already cycled the road from Louang Namtha to Houei Sai and crossed the river by boat to reach Thailand.
At the time, the condition of that road was impeccable, and most importantly, traffic was light.
So I’m wondering if anyone who’s taken it recently can tell me whether traffic has increased since the bridge opened.
Thanks in advance!
(*) I’m currently cycling in China (Yunnan)
Hi there,
Just a few words about the loop I did by bike in Yunnan.
Entry and exit
I entered China through the Sino-Vietnamese border crossing at Lào Cai / Hekou under the 30-day visa exemption currently available to French nationals and others.
The process was simple and quick. A Chinese police officer even helped me complete my electronic pre-registration at a computer kiosk. I wasn’t aware this formality was required—it’s similar to Thailand’s TM6.
No issues with the bike.
I left the country via the Sino-Laotian border crossing at Mohan / Boten.
The atmosphere was a bit chaotic there, but again, no problems with the bike.
The timing
I visited Yunnan in February 2026.
Weather-wise, at higher altitudes (between 1,500 and 2,000 meters), it was around ten degrees at night and in the mornings, and around twenty degrees at the hottest part of the day.
I had two days of rain, so I took the bus to keep moving. Otherwise, clear blue skies.
Culturally, Chinese New Year fell on February 17th (and the 15 days following), right in the middle of my trip. Because of this, my take on the traffic might be off.
Accommodation and food I always found a hotel to stay in for prices ranging from 8 to 15 €. Except in Kunming (the capital), where many hotels were fully booked (Chinese New Year). I ended up at a 100 € hotel with great value for money.
A bowl of noodles costs about 1.5 € on average.
Onboard electronics Since my smartphone doesn’t support eSIMs, I subscribed to a China plan with my carrier. Otherwise, for much cheaper, Alipay offers eSIMs for foreigners that allow access to services usually blocked for Chinese users (WhatsApp, Facebook, etc.).
An internet connection is essential for paying with Alipay or WeChat, as this payment method is widespread.
I only managed to use Alipay.
Either way, always carry cash because sometimes there’s no signal, or the merchant only accepts WeChat.
Also, it’s best to bring a power adapter when you arrive rather than struggling to find one.
Traffic and roads The Chinese aren’t reckless drivers. They follow traffic rules and watch out for cyclists. This is slightly less true in Xishuangbanna (the region bordering Myanmar and Laos).
In urban areas, there are almost always wide bike lanes, separated from other roads, where bikes, electric mini-scooters, and scooters share the space pretty harmoniously.
The roads are in great condition, and traffic is generally manageable—even light—except for one stretch (Eshan -> Yangwu).
Most traffic is absorbed by expressways, China’s equivalent of highways: toll roads that are off-limits to slow vehicles.
You’re never far from these expressways; sometimes you even ride alongside them, which can be noisy at times.
The climbs are usually reasonable, around 5% to 6%. From what I remember, the steepest section was between Menglun and Mengla, with gradients of 8% to 10%, sometimes more.
Riding at these altitudes—though modest—took a bit of getting used to.
The route I didn’t plan anything in advance. My only goal was to reach Kunming. I don’t know why, but just hearing the name of that city, like Yunnan, always felt dreamy to me.
Here’s the breakdown: Hekou -> Man Hao (94 km); Man Hao -> Yuanyang (64 km); Yuanyang -> Jianshui (bus); Jianshui -> Tong Hai (78 km); Tong Hai -> Chenjiang (85 km); Chenjiang -> Kunming (60 km); Kunming -> Kunyang (60 km); Kunyang -> Eshan (67 km); Eshan -> Yangwu (58 km); Yangwu -> Yuanjiang (59 km); Yuanjiang -> Pu'er (bus); Pu'er -> Dadugang (75 km); Dadugang -> Jinghong (80 km); Jinghong -> Menglun (67 km); Menglun -> Mengyuancun (51 km); Mengyuancun -> Mengla (43 km); Mengla -> Boten (67 km).
Otherwise, I’m currently in Thailand and just hoping my return flight with Qatar won’t get canceled.
Oh well... 😉
Just a few words about the loop I did by bike in Yunnan.
Entry and exit
I entered China through the Sino-Vietnamese border crossing at Lào Cai / Hekou under the 30-day visa exemption currently available to French nationals and others.
The process was simple and quick. A Chinese police officer even helped me complete my electronic pre-registration at a computer kiosk. I wasn’t aware this formality was required—it’s similar to Thailand’s TM6.
No issues with the bike.
I left the country via the Sino-Laotian border crossing at Mohan / Boten.
The atmosphere was a bit chaotic there, but again, no problems with the bike.
The timing
I visited Yunnan in February 2026.
Weather-wise, at higher altitudes (between 1,500 and 2,000 meters), it was around ten degrees at night and in the mornings, and around twenty degrees at the hottest part of the day.
I had two days of rain, so I took the bus to keep moving. Otherwise, clear blue skies.
Culturally, Chinese New Year fell on February 17th (and the 15 days following), right in the middle of my trip. Because of this, my take on the traffic might be off.
Accommodation and food I always found a hotel to stay in for prices ranging from 8 to 15 €. Except in Kunming (the capital), where many hotels were fully booked (Chinese New Year). I ended up at a 100 € hotel with great value for money.
A bowl of noodles costs about 1.5 € on average.
Onboard electronics Since my smartphone doesn’t support eSIMs, I subscribed to a China plan with my carrier. Otherwise, for much cheaper, Alipay offers eSIMs for foreigners that allow access to services usually blocked for Chinese users (WhatsApp, Facebook, etc.).
An internet connection is essential for paying with Alipay or WeChat, as this payment method is widespread.
I only managed to use Alipay.
Either way, always carry cash because sometimes there’s no signal, or the merchant only accepts WeChat.
Also, it’s best to bring a power adapter when you arrive rather than struggling to find one.
Traffic and roads The Chinese aren’t reckless drivers. They follow traffic rules and watch out for cyclists. This is slightly less true in Xishuangbanna (the region bordering Myanmar and Laos).
In urban areas, there are almost always wide bike lanes, separated from other roads, where bikes, electric mini-scooters, and scooters share the space pretty harmoniously.
The roads are in great condition, and traffic is generally manageable—even light—except for one stretch (Eshan -> Yangwu).
Most traffic is absorbed by expressways, China’s equivalent of highways: toll roads that are off-limits to slow vehicles.
You’re never far from these expressways; sometimes you even ride alongside them, which can be noisy at times.
The climbs are usually reasonable, around 5% to 6%. From what I remember, the steepest section was between Menglun and Mengla, with gradients of 8% to 10%, sometimes more.
Riding at these altitudes—though modest—took a bit of getting used to.
The route I didn’t plan anything in advance. My only goal was to reach Kunming. I don’t know why, but just hearing the name of that city, like Yunnan, always felt dreamy to me.
Here’s the breakdown: Hekou -> Man Hao (94 km); Man Hao -> Yuanyang (64 km); Yuanyang -> Jianshui (bus); Jianshui -> Tong Hai (78 km); Tong Hai -> Chenjiang (85 km); Chenjiang -> Kunming (60 km); Kunming -> Kunyang (60 km); Kunyang -> Eshan (67 km); Eshan -> Yangwu (58 km); Yangwu -> Yuanjiang (59 km); Yuanjiang -> Pu'er (bus); Pu'er -> Dadugang (75 km); Dadugang -> Jinghong (80 km); Jinghong -> Menglun (67 km); Menglun -> Mengyuancun (51 km); Mengyuancun -> Mengla (43 km); Mengla -> Boten (67 km).
Otherwise, I’m currently in Thailand and just hoping my return flight with Qatar won’t get canceled.
Oh well... 😉